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Terrible Night to Have a Kirb (Everyone is Home)

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The history of gatekeeping failing v4.0

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Some notes:

- I agree that some of these claims were stuff that people actually said, but not that many people, and you may personally never saw people saying that, but even if you make a filter and remove the things you think should not be in this list, it's still a very big list.

- Many people are claiming this is a bunch of strawmen, but I actually made a lot of research in older posts to find people saying these claims, even if not many people said them.

- These debunked claims may be actually truths, the characters just joined anyway despite their problems, others were straight up misinformation, and others were stuff no one said officially.

- The claims that Ridley was too big weren't just something fans made up, they were based on something Sakurai actually said, others claim that people misunderstood Sakurai's words about Ridley, but I'm still adding this example anyway.

- The claims that we were not going to have a character that was already part of another character moveset, and we were not going to have a Microsoft character, were stuff I believed.

- Some people may say that the "main character first" rule is still not broken because Kazuya was the main hero in Tekken 1, but I think that after Chrom, Min Min, Pyra, Mythra and Kazuya, we have enough examples, and there are people who claim Pikachu also counts, we don't need a pure example on the same level as Tails joining without Sonic.

- People only doubted that Simon was going to join before Snake was added, after he came back, people were expecting him.

- I decided to not add examples from Melee and Brawl, since researching posts from the 2000s would be too tiresome.

- The problem with arguments of "This rule was broken already" is that the Smash community often has to learn their lesson twice, there are examples here were people insisted that past examples didn't count and we needed another one, or another more specific one.

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Eight and Peach

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Many-Tentacled Rapists From Hell Conquer the Innocence of Schoolgirls

Exit MLII IVYSAUR FORCES ANInkling TO STAR INHISTENTACLE RAPEHENTAI

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The expanded All-Star Debut Timeline for the fighters

Oh god I hope the image doesn't come out unreadable on here...

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People never talk about why Mushroomy Kingdom 1-2/B&W Dream Land GB are missing in Ultimate :C

Redundant through similar stages, thus not seen as worthwhile when the stage list could avoid any repeats: - MK 1-2 might have had 8-Player issues, but that couldn't be why it was previously cut in Smash 4 3DS without the need for HD remastering (data found for MK on Wii U was mere remnants from 3DS). The inability to destroy bricks in stages with Hazards Off could potentially cripple the playability of the stage as the top blast zone/respawn would be blocked off from the rest of for the majority of the match, A Bowser-sized character can't even run through the pictured narrow space without breaking the blocks. Hazardless does already have inconsistencies (eg: Delfino Plaza still travels but Skyloft doesn't), but this would be between variants of the same stage that are randomly selected between. - That, Flat Zone, Flat Zone 2, Sector Z and PictoChat are the strongest examples. Hazardless PictoChat 2 could even pass for a Hazardless PictoChat. Brinstar Corneria Mushroomy Kingdom (1-1) | Other MKs/MM? Venom? With the exception of MK 1-2, none of these stages have ever appeared in the same Smash game as their counterpart that was preferred for Ultimate. Smash 4 Wii U had Flat Zone X whilst Smash 4 3DS had Flat Flat Zone X Zone 2, making the latter the only stage missing in Ultimate that has appearanced in Smash more than once NoventernoB Pch Mushroom Kingdom (64) Port Town Aero Drive (which takes cues in Ult) Mute City SNES?* prior, not counting a reference to Planet Zebes in Brawl's Great Maze. PictoChat 2 Other MKs/MM? (which references 1-2, incidentally) *Renamed with SNES to distinguish it despite the Melee stage not returning in Ultimate. Genre of very disliked vertical scrolling stages or extremely dynamic stages where frequent tight platforming (that favours fighters with superior recovery and air game) is a necessity for mere survival and gets in the way of battling, perhaps being a lot of stage to remaster on top of that. The speed-up function of Icicle Mountain and Rumble Falls is notably notorious. Remember that the less demanding continually horizontal scrolling stages still scroll even with Hazards Off. Also that vertical scrolling stages at The black and white version of Dream Land GB is a curious - Super Mario x3 - Donkey Kong x2 - Metroid x2 - Yoshi - Kirby - Star Fox x2 case. Boxing Ring kept its similar easter egg variant while as mentioned, Mushroomy Kingdom's more unique variant was dropped. But unlike those stages and Ultimate's Minecraft World, black and white Dream Land GB was only ever accessible in 3DS through the button-holding easter egg, least were totally absent in Smash 4 too, maybe for a reason. Uniquely built off the low-quality assets of other N64/3DS games while also being a lot to recreate in HD, two of them being entire race tracks. Rainbow Road is also similar to its Wii U counterpart of being a lesser priority to bring back. It also made more sense on a system with Game Boy Virtual Console that specifically had a similar "button holding while booting" easter egg to play the games with a Game Boy border, as well as an L + R button combination to enable switching Mario Circuit, not that being similar to another universe's - Pokemon stage of Port Town Aero Drive would matter; Saffron City - F-Zero and Fourside co-exist in Ultimate after all. Not sure if - Ice Climber Ω - Game & Watch x2 scope was too intensive in terms of 8-Player, harder to judge that with pre-HD stages. - Pac-Man between the green and black and white palettes during gameplay. - PictoChat -Miiverse Jungle Hijinx and MK 1-2 may also have intrusive platforming to them, while Potentially too technically demanding for 8-Player with Ice Climbers/Stage Morph, with the latter perhaps having to specifically adjust for the complications of: - OGA's very brief vacant drop between platforms? - JH's entire gimmick separating the fighters between the foreground and background with barrel cannons. OGA's start is similar to Sector Z/Corneria. Also took a year to make, if that meant anything. Stage Morph may not actually be a general issue for the vertical scrolling/platforming stages. The feature freezes stages mid-action before morphing (even horizontally scrolling stages like Mushroomy Kingdom 1-1, which work totally fine), so it'd have no trouble integrating with these layouts so long as there's area to stand on at the point of freezing, even if the fighters end up transitioned into the top or bottom of Icicle Mountain's platforms because Stage Morph always transitions into the mellow starting portion of a stage. Tighter platforming is inherent to these stages so further confounding that slightly with the freeze of Stage Morph wouldn't really mean much. Nnja Power Gimmicks that ARE the stage's identity and just aren't 1:1 compatible with Ultimate: - PM's Ghosts gimmick needing multiple console screens to function. - Ridley now being playable, the whole point of that stage and the previous method of incorporating that character in a BIG way, a bigger presence than say, Toon Link in Spirit Train. - Miiverse being shut down. JH's background gimmick potentially being hard to view in portable mode, the Switch Lite additionally being announced 7 months after Ultimate's release. Whilst these 5 stages all had issues fully functioning in Smash 4's 8-Player Smash (Miiverse actually being the one stage not playable in 8-Player Smash in any form, go figure), the top 2 in particular stand out in terms of detail and/or effects. Orbital Gate Assault has a lot going on, and though Kongo Falls has terrain depression even in 8-Player balloon floats entirely came from localization; the original Japanese name is "Pokémon Subspace" and the Poké Floats was certainly an oddity of a stage, especially when taking into account the characters being characters aren't definitively presented as being balloons, so the stage stands out in terms of taking as much inspiration from the iconic source material as Melee's Event Match trophy stages do and comes across as like Woolly World does, it also uses physics-based movements with the sky platforms and wool detail. literally just unanimated and uninspired Pokémon Stadium models made into a fake travelling stage, like a beta Observations: testing stage due to the inherent simplicity, giving it a memetic quality. Even if it's the only cut stage to have actually retroactively inspired its home series as it's since used Pokémon floats in things like the Wi-Fi chat Technically, the 3 previous Smash games' versions of Battlefield and Final Destination and Smash 4's Big Battlefield also count, as well as Smash 4's Omega variants (entirely missing stages with those noted above). This rooms in Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions and Pokémon: Detective Pikachu's climax. But to be fair, doesn't include 64's Final Destination and Battlefield however, as those were single-player exclusive, like Meta Crystal and such. Also notably excluded from Ultimate are Brawl's 3 Sample Stages for its Stage Builder and stage variants between the 3DS and Wii U versions of Smash 4 (Battlefield, Final Destination, Gaur Plain and Wily's Castle, including their Omega variants besides Final Destination). - Kirby's Epic Yarn was going to get a stage in Smash 4, but plans changed with the announcement of Yoshi's Woolly World as that was revamped into The Great Cave Offensive instead. Now with Woolly World missing in Ultimate, nobody has a wool stage. - If you count their Melee replacements, 64 is the only previous Smash game to have all its stages return in even if The Pokémon Company would no longer sign off on this stage concept out of current licensing strictness despite having precedent in Smash, it could have simply been visually redesigned to actually represent the Pokémon as being floats while also making sense to the source material through that which came after the stage's debut. This can be seen with the changes Corneria got to now represent Star Fox Zero instead of Star Fox 64, though Venom still takes that mantle in its place. Ultimate in a way. - Not sure if stages were matter of being out prioritised instead of just being planned to be outright cut from the start for these reasons. They could have simply gotten out all the stages they wanted from the project plan because they were all feasible and that's why we don't have data of unused stages in the code unlike most other games.

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Gender chart for the fighters, updated as of Kazuya

Ivysaur had a yellow seed in her bulb back in Brawl, resembling her evolution Venusaur's female gender difference. Greninja turns into Ash-Greninja for his Final Smash, whose only obtainable within the Pokémon series as a male. Pichu additionally has a Spiky-eared Pichu alt, who Pikachu and Jigglypuff debuted whilst their species had no gender yet, and the former only upgraded from Ambiguous Pokěmon in Ultimate alongside Pichu, Pokėmon Trainer also upgrading from Male. Genderless one of a kind and female. Genderless Female (considered female) Male Pikmin? Gender-neutral in Japan Both (Team) She's female? Luma? Sheik. Ambiguous Pokémon Genderless (considered male) Both (Alts) Genderbent one time Came from having no definitive gender

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Mii Fighter trivia

World / Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World Default Male/Female Mii Maker Miis Guest Miis Guest F Shig Spirit Battles involving the default Mii Fighters can sometimes glve them the opposite gender, at least in those with Mii costumes that have gender differences. With the Miis being of several fighters with different announcer calls depending on their gender in some languages, their default face with the bodylcostume differences of the opposite gender could be the closest thing they have to an official default look for Female Mii Brawler, Female Mii Swordfighter and Male Mii Gunner. Guest C Guest B Names given in TV Show King 2 (WiI) Hubble Bee Sophin Loulpment Test KEN Mii names in official SSB4 screenshots Headgear Lloyd has similar moves to the fighter he's been a costume of since Smash 4, specifically the Airborne Assault, Power Thrust and Blurring Blade to Lloyd's Tempest, Sonic Thrust (Rising Falcon when mid-air) and Sword Rain moves respectively, though with 1 blade only. Perhaps this had to do with Bandai Namco developing the Mii Fighters' debut Smash game and Sakurai even mentioning other Namco characters being in consideration for Smash 4. Outit Shout! Super Smash Bros. 4 3DS / Wii U PLAY My Record Uitimatenash Bros. Ültimate 8. Shagekio Mii names in SSBU data Kenjutsu Kakuto F Though the "Sophia" and "Ken" Miis (assuming Ken's not instead the name of the system or something) seem to be Guest F/Default Female and Guest B respectively rather than the proper Mil Fighters, they nonetheless show consistency with Ultimate's names for the Mii Fighters, with Swordfighter having Ken as a Japanese pun on Kenjutsu and Brawler always having Fighter in his name with the F initial in his Ultimate name. It's also an amusing coincidence that all Guest F names start with "S". Similarly, outside game inspiration can also be seen in Mil Brawler's Specials as they resemble attacks from SNK fighting games. There was only 1 example in Smash 4 before tripling up (with a revision of the 1st) in Ultimate as part of replacing a set of Specials that mostly resembled Little Mac's attacks. Smash had taken inspiration from SNK for moves before, but going all in on it in Ultimate is notable as its DLC would include SNK's official introduction to the series through Terry, with an ensuing Ryo Mii costume and Spirit Battles referencing this inspiration. Onslaught is based on a typical "Ranbu" Super Special Move in various SNK fighters, named after Ryo Sakazaki's Ryuuko Ranbu which is what's pictured. Ultimate's version strongly resembles Kim Kaphwan's Houou Kyaku. Additionally, the initial dash also looks like Zero Suit Samus's Dash Attack while the old finishing hit is similar to Captain Falcon's Side Special. Flashing Mach Punch comes from Ryo Sakazaki and a few others' Zan Retsu Ken ("Slash Rending Fist") in Art of Fighting and The King of Fighters, and Counter Throw is Geese Howard's Jödan'ateminage counter, with a similar pose also like Little Mac's Other almost-Brawler Miis in SSBU CREAE Each Mil Fighter has one particular reference to Mil source material in their moveset. The Shot Put minigame of Mario & Sonic at the London 2012 Olympic Games (3DS) . seemed to inspire Brawler's Special of the same name (not anything bowling-related). Shuriken of Light fits with the shurikens used by Miis in Wii Play Motion's Ninja Stage of Trigger Twist, Nintendo Land's Takamaru's Ninja Castle and Wii Party U's Star Pupil. And Gunner's Full Blast has small side shooters líke in Mii Force. Mii O Fighter Mii Gunner is the only Mii Fighter without specifically a bunch of Specials from an outside game source Fighters, Gunner takes inspiration from other Smash fighters. Fighters can often take multiple moves from existing fighters, but it certainly feels thematically intentional when the main Specials duplicate those of unrelated Smash fighters, also fitting their Smash universe placement as their moves and archetypes didn't exist prior to Smash. Absorbing Vortex (also the On-Screen Appearance) and Flame Pillar come from the respective Specials of Ness (and Robin for the latter). Charge Blast, Gunner Missile, Bomb Drop and Full Blast reflect Samus's respective Specials alongside Down Tilt and Up Smash (also Up Victory Pose), as well as Side Taunt resembling Samus's 64 character select/victory animation and they used to have an idle animation resembling Samus's Down Taunt. Laser Blaze (also projectile in Mii Gunner throws) and Echo Reflector come from Fox's/Falco's respective Specials, alongside the Back Throw and Up Throw. Individually, Neutral Air is Ike's, Down Throw is Marth's, Stealth Burst is Zelda's Side Special, Arm Rocket is Pit's Up Special and Cannon Uppercut/Cannon Jump Kick is kinda like Palutena's scrapped Rocket Jump. There was also a 4-hit standard attack like Pit's melee combo in Kid Icarus: Uprising when wielding a Cannon, showing that game's influence in Smash 4's development. Not counting more minor amiibo functionality or possible Images of their amibo in-game (or general G&W WarioWare Microgames)... All Twilight Princess Sheik appearances outside of Smash: - The Legend of Zelda: Hyrule Historia (technically) - Yoshi's Woolly World / Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World - Super Mario Maker Chibi-Robo! Zip Lash - WarioWare Gold Swordfighter of course takes the Hero's Spin from Link and to a lesser extent the Gale Strike (also the On-Screen Appearance) from his retired Gale Boomerang (also like Ore Club), alongside the Final Edge resembling the Sword Beam from Link's franchise (Wii Fit Trainer's Wii Fit, Smash-wise). There's also the Up Tilt, first part of Forward Smash, pre-Ultimate Back Throw resembling Link's (UItimate Back Throw perhaps resembling Ike's), Ultimate Dash Attack resembling Toon Link's, Up Throw resembling Link's, Down Smash resembling Link's (and to a lesser extent Ike's), Jab resembling Link's, especially his Ultimate incarnation, Forward Throw resembling pre-Ultimate Link's and even the Down Taunt is Link's that he's had since 64 (though also Lucario's). Gale Stab of course resembles Ike's equivalent Side Special, and they also share Side Tilt, Neutral Air and Back Air. Apparently the idle pose of holding the sword up to the sky is a general Smash swordfighter thing. To a lesser extent, Down Tilt is Marth's, Blurring Blade looks like parts of Marth's Neutral and Side Specials, Forward Smash is Roy's, Up Smash is Pit's (moreso in Smash 4), Reversal Slash is Mario's Cape, Shuriken of Light is like both Greninja and Fox's Neutral Specials, Skyward Slash Dash is like Fox/Falco/Wolf's Up Specials, Power Thrust is like Captain Falcon's Down Special, Chakram Is Ilvysaur's Side Special, Airborne Assault was initially like Sonic's Spin Dash and Stone Scabbard is Kirby's Up Special. Blade Counter's pose also resembles Roy's Counter pose in Melee. All Mr. Game & Watch appearances outside of Smash: - Game & Watch Gallery 4 - WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Party Game$! - WarioWare: Twisted! - WarioWare: Touched! - WarioWare: Smooth Moves - Donkey Kong Country Returns / Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D Nintendo 3DS Sound - Rhythm Heaven Fever / Rhythm Heaven Megamix Yoshi's Woolly World / Poochy & Yoshi's Woolly World Super Mario Maker - Chibi-Robo! Zip Lash - Super Mario Odyssey - WarioWare Gold - Besides their amiibo giving you existing abilities in Kirby: Planet Robobot, Mii Fighters are only referenced outside of Smash through Yoshi's Wooly World/Poochy & Yoshi's Wooly World and Chibi-Robo! Zip Lash, though none of these are in-person. Не As mentioned, the Mii Brawler lost 3 Specials that imitated respective Little Mac moves (Ultimate Uppercut, whilch also resembles DK's, Headache Maker and Piston Punch) and 1 that resembled Captain Falcon's respective Special (Foot Flurry). The Jab has a "Flashing Mach Punch-esque" Neutral Infinite (also in Up Victory Pose) and is similar to Little Mac's. Exploding Side Kick is like the Falcon Punch, while Brawler and Captain Falcon also share an Up Throw. The non-SNK Specials new for Ultimate include the Thrust Uppercut coming from Mario's Up Special and the Suplex like Kirby's Back Throw. Brawler also imitates Mario's Side Tilt and Up Tilt, if not also his Down Tilt and Up Air. Brawler's Neutral Air also takes from Mario's, also matching the type of general Neutral Air most 64 fighters had. Even Brawler's Side Taunt/On-Screen Appearance looks like Mario's Brawl render. Soaring Axe Kick is like Kirby's Up Special, too. Dash Attack and Up Smash are Fox's, Helicopter Kick is like Fox's Forward Air, Down Air is Diddy Kong's, Back Air is Samus's, Forward Air is Zero Suit Samus's (moreso in Smash 4), Bowser Bomb and Omega Blitz is ike's Final Smash. Burning Dropkick resembled Pikachu/Luigi's Side Specials but the ability to charge it was removed in Ultimate. Image style lovingly ripped-off from Wii Facts Plus.

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Captain Falcon totally took moves/animations from the original Dragon King prototype

Captain Falcon = Kamen Rider??? Falcon Punch = Rider Punch??? Falcon Kick = Rider Kick??? Did Captain Falcon also get moves from the original Dragon King prototype's fighters? Idle Run Jab (particularly the first punch) F-Zero Comic's inspiration for Side Special (helpless state prior to Smash 4 possibly an F-Zero reference) and Forward Smash (used to be Up Smash, made less elbow-y in Ultimate), both debuting in Melee with that being the only special of his to not have a voice clip or Falcon naming, Sakurai stating Cap hasn't gotten new voice clips since 64. 64 Down Smash/ Samus's Down Smash 64 Forward Tilt 64 Forward Smash Neutral Air/64 Forward Air? Link's Standard 64 Roster Neutral Air Kick? (minus DK) Neutral Air + Up Tilt, Dash Attack, 64 Floor Attacks, 64 Down Smash & 64 Slow Edge Attack come from Samus. Back Throw (also Link's to a lesser extent) Jump Descending Jump Pose Double + Current knee Forward Air (and Pummel, albeit generic) from part of pre-existing Jab? Unfurling Turning + Final Smash of course the only move definitively from F-Zero. Shield? 64 Crouch? Up Special Descending Pose (weird because Dragon King didn't have special moves, but this is the only one he has with no other origins) 64 Hitstun Not sure about this weird kick move in particular Turning? Skidding? Knockback? Down? 64 Down Tilt? (that or unused downward punch Air) Very tiny Dragon King image: Punch/Kick (Jab/ Forward Tilt) Walking (64) Runing Kick (Charging + S Angling Forward Smash) AUSE- Angling Kicking Forward Tilt) 222 (surrdunded by con stick s

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Everyone (else) is here!

Honourable Mii-ntions (fully-modelled, so no Shantae) Everyone (else) is Here! Gender alts (Tally-complicating cases) Gender alts Specific Pokémon

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