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Redundant through similar stages, thus not seen as worthwhile when the stage list could avoid any repeats: - MK 1-2 might have had 8-Player issues, but that couldn't be why it was previously cut in Smash 4 3DS without the need for HD remastering (data found for MK on Wii U was mere remnants from 3DS). The inability to destroy bricks in stages with Hazards Off could potentially cripple the playability of the stage as the top blast zone/respawn would be blocked off from the rest of for the majority of the match, A Bowser-sized character can't even run through the pictured narrow space without breaking the blocks. Hazardless does already have inconsistencies (eg: Delfino Plaza still travels but Skyloft doesn't), but this would be between variants of the same stage that are randomly selected between. - That, Flat Zone, Flat Zone 2, Sector Z and PictoChat are the strongest examples. Hazardless PictoChat 2 could even pass for a Hazardless PictoChat. Brinstar Corneria Mushroomy Kingdom (1-1) | Other MKs/MM? Venom? With the exception of MK 1-2, none of these stages have ever appeared in the same Smash game as their counterpart that was preferred for Ultimate. Smash 4 Wii U had Flat Zone X whilst Smash 4 3DS had Flat Flat Zone X Zone 2, making the latter the only stage missing in Ultimate that has appearanced in Smash more than once NoventernoB Pch Mushroom Kingdom (64) Port Town Aero Drive (which takes cues in Ult) Mute City SNES?* prior, not counting a reference to Planet Zebes in Brawl's Great Maze. PictoChat 2 Other MKs/MM? (which references 1-2, incidentally) *Renamed with SNES to distinguish it despite the Melee stage not returning in Ultimate. Genre of very disliked vertical scrolling stages or extremely dynamic stages where frequent tight platforming (that favours fighters with superior recovery and air game) is a necessity for mere survival and gets in the way of battling, perhaps being a lot of stage to remaster on top of that. The speed-up function of Icicle Mountain and Rumble Falls is notably notorious. Remember that the less demanding continually horizontal scrolling stages still scroll even with Hazards Off. Also that vertical scrolling stages at The black and white version of Dream Land GB is a curious - Super Mario x3 - Donkey Kong x2 - Metroid x2 - Yoshi - Kirby - Star Fox x2 case. Boxing Ring kept its similar easter egg variant while as mentioned, Mushroomy Kingdom's more unique variant was dropped. But unlike those stages and Ultimate's Minecraft World, black and white Dream Land GB was only ever accessible in 3DS through the button-holding easter egg, least were totally absent in Smash 4 too, maybe for a reason. Uniquely built off the low-quality assets of other N64/3DS games while also being a lot to recreate in HD, two of them being entire race tracks. Rainbow Road is also similar to its Wii U counterpart of being a lesser priority to bring back. It also made more sense on a system with Game Boy Virtual Console that specifically had a similar "button holding while booting" easter egg to play the games with a Game Boy border, as well as an L + R button combination to enable switching Mario Circuit, not that being similar to another universe's - Pokemon stage of Port Town Aero Drive would matter; Saffron City - F-Zero and Fourside co-exist in Ultimate after all. Not sure if - Ice Climber Ω - Game & Watch x2 scope was too intensive in terms of 8-Player, harder to judge that with pre-HD stages. - Pac-Man between the green and black and white palettes during gameplay. - PictoChat -Miiverse Jungle Hijinx and MK 1-2 may also have intrusive platforming to them, while Potentially too technically demanding for 8-Player with Ice Climbers/Stage Morph, with the latter perhaps having to specifically adjust for the complications of: - OGA's very brief vacant drop between platforms? - JH's entire gimmick separating the fighters between the foreground and background with barrel cannons. OGA's start is similar to Sector Z/Corneria. Also took a year to make, if that meant anything. Stage Morph may not actually be a general issue for the vertical scrolling/platforming stages. The feature freezes stages mid-action before morphing (even horizontally scrolling stages like Mushroomy Kingdom 1-1, which work totally fine), so it'd have no trouble integrating with these layouts so long as there's area to stand on at the point of freezing, even if the fighters end up transitioned into the top or bottom of Icicle Mountain's platforms because Stage Morph always transitions into the mellow starting portion of a stage. Tighter platforming is inherent to these stages so further confounding that slightly with the freeze of Stage Morph wouldn't really mean much. Nnja Power Gimmicks that ARE the stage's identity and just aren't 1:1 compatible with Ultimate: - PM's Ghosts gimmick needing multiple console screens to function. - Ridley now being playable, the whole point of that stage and the previous method of incorporating that character in a BIG way, a bigger presence than say, Toon Link in Spirit Train. - Miiverse being shut down. JH's background gimmick potentially being hard to view in portable mode, the Switch Lite additionally being announced 7 months after Ultimate's release. Whilst these 5 stages all had issues fully functioning in Smash 4's 8-Player Smash (Miiverse actually being the one stage not playable in 8-Player Smash in any form, go figure), the top 2 in particular stand out in terms of detail and/or effects. Orbital Gate Assault has a lot going on, and though Kongo Falls has terrain depression even in 8-Player balloon floats entirely came from localization; the original Japanese name is "Pokémon Subspace" and the Poké Floats was certainly an oddity of a stage, especially when taking into account the characters being characters aren't definitively presented as being balloons, so the stage stands out in terms of taking as much inspiration from the iconic source material as Melee's Event Match trophy stages do and comes across as like Woolly World does, it also uses physics-based movements with the sky platforms and wool detail. literally just unanimated and uninspired Pokémon Stadium models made into a fake travelling stage, like a beta Observations: testing stage due to the inherent simplicity, giving it a memetic quality. Even if it's the only cut stage to have actually retroactively inspired its home series as it's since used Pokémon floats in things like the Wi-Fi chat Technically, the 3 previous Smash games' versions of Battlefield and Final Destination and Smash 4's Big Battlefield also count, as well as Smash 4's Omega variants (entirely missing stages with those noted above). This rooms in Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver Versions and Pokémon: Detective Pikachu's climax. But to be fair, doesn't include 64's Final Destination and Battlefield however, as those were single-player exclusive, like Meta Crystal and such. Also notably excluded from Ultimate are Brawl's 3 Sample Stages for its Stage Builder and stage variants between the 3DS and Wii U versions of Smash 4 (Battlefield, Final Destination, Gaur Plain and Wily's Castle, including their Omega variants besides Final Destination). - Kirby's Epic Yarn was going to get a stage in Smash 4, but plans changed with the announcement of Yoshi's Woolly World as that was revamped into The Great Cave Offensive instead. Now with Woolly World missing in Ultimate, nobody has a wool stage. - If you count their Melee replacements, 64 is the only previous Smash game to have all its stages return in even if The Pokémon Company would no longer sign off on this stage concept out of current licensing strictness despite having precedent in Smash, it could have simply been visually redesigned to actually represent the Pokémon as being floats while also making sense to the source material through that which came after the stage's debut. This can be seen with the changes Corneria got to now represent Star Fox Zero instead of Star Fox 64, though Venom still takes that mantle in its place. Ultimate in a way. - Not sure if stages were matter of being out prioritised instead of just being planned to be outright cut from the start for these reasons. They could have simply gotten out all the stages they wanted from the project plan because they were all feasible and that's why we don't have data of unused stages in the code unlike most other games.

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People never talk about why Mushroomy Kingdom 1-2/B&W Dream Land GB are missing in Ultimate :C


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