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TUESDAY, APRIL 14, 2015 John C. Wright work disqualified Hugo Awards news from Mike Glyer at File 770: Sasquan, the 2015 Worldcon, has made changes to the final Hugo ballot to reflect eligibility rulings by Hugo administrator John Lorentz. “Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus" by John C. Wright was previously published on a web site in 2013 prior to its inclusion in The Book of Feasts & Seasons in 2014, so it is not eligible for the 2015 Novelette Hugo Jon Eno did not publish any qualifying artwork in 2014, so he is not eligible for the 2015 Professional Artist Hugo · Replacing wright's novelette on the ballot is “The Day The World Turned Upside Down" by Thomas Olde Heuvelt (Lightspeed Magazine, April 2014). Kirk DouPonce has been elevated to take Eno's place in the Best Professional Artist category I think this is a serious mistake by Sasquan. Just as Dune and Ender's Game served as precedents for a shorter work reworked and published as a longer one, which was the case with both "One Bright Star to Guide Them" and "Big Boys Don't Cry", John Scalzi's Old Man's War serves as precedent for a work that appeared on the web prior to being professionally published and subsequently declared eligible in the latter year HUGO The comparison is particularly damning because John Scalzi specifically declared Old Man's War to have been self-published in 2002, three years prior to it being published by Tor in 2005 and being nominated as Best Novel in 2006. John C. Wright is a professional author who does not self-publish and he never claimed to have published "Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus", he merely posted a work in progress on his site and removed it 015 after Castalia House signed a contract with him to publish it. This action by Sasquan not only makes it appear as if there is one rule for SJWs who are Torlings and another for everyone else, but will serve as a chilling precedent to other writers to avoid publicly posting any unpublished and incomplete work they believe might be award-worthy in the future THE NOMINATED SHORT FICTION WORKS JOHN C. WRIGHT While neither I nor Castalia House intend to protest Sasquan's decision and we recognize their right to ignore the precedents established by previous Worldcons, I do not think the decision was a wise one, especially at a time when tempers are running unusually high. Both Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies exist because some members of the science fiction community were being treated as more equal than others, and the fact that John Scalzi and Tor Books are AGAIN the incongruous beneficiary of this sort of quietly preferential treatment is further evidence of the influential cliques and whispering campaigns that George Martin and other SJWs have disingenuously denied That being said, I have duly removed "Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus" from the collection we are preparing for the Hugo Packet. And I trust that the various complaints about John C. Wright receiving six nominations can now stop, given that he now has no more nominations than Seanan McGuire received last year Meanwhile, another rabbit is up to the usual game. One Martha L. Thomases of New York, NY, who "never knowingly slept with a Republican", has posted a fake review of RIDING THE RED HORSE What kin By Martha L. Thomases "Martha Thomases on April 13, 2015 What a piece of tripe. Exactly the kind of fiction that appeals to men who are insecure in their masculinity. My only regret is that one can't rate this book any less than one star I've reported it for abuse and inappropriate content as a fake review from someone who is not a verified purchase and has not read the book, and I encourage you to do the same. Please be aware, prospective fake reviewers, if you lie about us, we will not hesitate to tell the truth about you I am also encouraging Amazon to consider cancelling the accounts of reviewers who post fake reviews. Retroactively. It's an area they are looking into because their review system is very important to them, so keep that in mind when you are tempted to post a fake review. Note that Ms Thomases appears to be responding to this call by Glenn Hauman to post fake reviews of Sad Puppies and Rabid Puppies works and thereby lower their average ratings Oh, and to answer the title question: what do you do to rabid puppies? You put them down I would point out that recommending a specific number of nominations for the Hugo ballot is within the rules. Posting fake reviews of books you have neither purchased nor read is absolutely not. I have repeatedly told people never to post any fake review for any reason. But if the SJWs truly want to play this game, we can certainly arrange to bring a hydrogen bomb to the knife fight. As for retaliation against PZ's book, my position is the same as it was when McRapey's rabbits were posting fake reviews on Amazon. First, PZ didn't take any such action himself or advocate it. Second, he is not responsible for the actions of his readers. Third, one's integrity should not permit one to write a false review of a book, no matter how much one despises the author. Fourth, I am actively opposed to all fake reviews, be they pro or con I do not want anyone who considers himself a reader, a fan, a regular, or Dread Ilk to write fake reviews of anything. Why? Because lying about what you have not read is wron UPDATE: Glen Hauman is dumber than I thought. He's actually an author himself, complete with an Amazon page. Now, I do NOT recommend downgrading his books, but I absolute recommend bringing his call to violate the Amazon reviews system to Amazon's attention. And I call upon Hauman to recant and remove his idiotic call to put down the works written by the various Sad Puppies nominees. UPDATE 2: Hauman must be a Making Light acolyte, given his penchant for disemmvoweling. Here is what the disemvoweled comment on his site says: shakes head slowly You guys really are a special brand of stupid, aren't you? Do you enjoy poking bears with sticks as well? His audience dwarfs yours and he's not above using the same tactics as you (as you so helpfully pointed out). So you go ahead and suggest An Approach that can only possibly win if your audience is larger than his. What exactly do you hope to accomplish? BTw, talking about the Hugo Awards without actually talking about the Hugo Awards is dishonest, why not use an honest title, like “Vox is a horrible person. Here's how to beat him at his own game." I only suggest that title because you've shown you don't care about committing libel Labels: Hugo Award, trainwreck POSTED BY VOX 4/14/2015 05:43:00 AM
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