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![Kotaku investigates, clears Nathan Grayson over Depression Quest- he was the "onlyoat supposedly involved in the sex-for-reviews nonsense by neonomicon in GirlGamers 229 link karma 24 comment karma [-] justejille 1 point an hour ago* paul_33 wrote: What I think: the alleged abuse/cheating is awful. Sleeping with your married boss is gross. Claiming to be a feminist and making sayings like "cheating is r---!" then cheating makes you a hypocrite HOWEVER - none of this affects me. It does not affect you send message redditor for 2 months MODERATOR OF r/altscifi /r/altsciencefiction I'm only typing anything on this topic due to a random commenter attempting to trash-talk on the issue in my subreddit (a subreddit that's completely unrelated to the so-called Zoe Quinn Conspiracy) The quoted comment above almost saves me the trouble of writing anything on the topic I would add the s: TROPHY CASE what's this? following as a set of general remark using "moral indignation" as an excuse to attempt an Internet character assassination on someone else is hypocritical and itself highly immoral the parties involved (Zoe Quinn, her ex-boyfriend, and the five alleged adulterers -- at least one of whom is married -- whom she supposedly had sexual relations with) are the only ones who have any business dealing with her sexual infidelity there is no objective way to "prove" that her game sucks and therefore she must have slept with reviewers in order to receive high marks for the game. What "sucks" and what doesn't is a matter of personal opinion A large number of people with a shared opinion don't magically congeal into a measurable index of objective fact. In other words, a loud Internet mob does not equal a correct loud Internet mob misogynists are "white-knighting" (?) themselves and claiming that Quinn is using massive powers of conspiracy to suppress all media coverage of the issue; Quinn is being "white-knighted" (?) by many people who blindly believe that since she's a woman being harassed by misogynists, she is automatically an innocent torch-bearer for the cause of all things woman (and therefore "feminist", somehow). It's also worthy of note that she seems not to dissuade anyone from offering her the pedestal to stand on Verified Email username ssword remember me reset password . attractive-looking people, especially women, generate a polarity of envious hatred and unearned adoration Zoe Quinn neatly fits a niche social/sexual demographic for some people (purple hair, piercings, the ability to appropriate a "nerd" identity when it suits her, feigned "cute" authenticity through strategic awkwardness and casual proclivity for attention-seeking without seeming try-hard). Regardless of her looks and style Quinn seems not to be on the right side of morality from the "evidence" that her ex-boyfriend has amassed (and I confess to only cursorily having browsed, since I don't really care about random people's ntic/sexual fidelity i porters ign tho nts and run to her e just as mindlessly as the indignant trol e her reputation and Internet-cultivated persona eous fury, neither Misogynists are wrong for hating r in the for placing her on a pedestal as a first place as a female game developer. White knights and "feminists" a perhaps-pretty game developer who is "standing up against hegemony" when it's quite likely that she used her body as a way to advance her career What's a sensible answer? Options: discuss this ad on reddit daily reddit gold goal 72% . For game publishers: Pull her game(s) from circulation or withhold the funds she may have unfairly gained through deceptive or manipulative tactics (if those can be reasonably proved, and she fails to refute them) For journalists: Delete (or add a help support reddit tion/apology) undue tha . For the rest of the Internet: Allow those who have nothing better to do with their time to sit around arguing ore right" or "more bout this stupi bout who's "m overheated and unworthy-for-tabloid-fodder scenario in any case. Quinn will go on with her life (and gi arise regarding her reputation), and all those seeking entertainment from her misery will move on to the next purple-haired girl or other non-conforming target for their pseudo-righteous bullying, as they always have er eryo rge her impressive damage-control skills, she'll no doubt wil be able to explain awa uestions that And now anyone who visits my subreddit can read this in the Account Overview page so that I won't have to repeat it again The end permalink context full comments (191) 7:47 PM 8/22/2014](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/816/164/b35.png)
![← C fi èwww.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/2ecioa/quinnspiracy-theory innout_edition/ う New Tab Settings load more comments (10 replies) Internet Archiv ↑ H spiritual successors 1266 points 12 hours ago* @) These videos claims heavily look into the issue of one developer, the creator of Cards Against Humanity, being accused of r--- and many gaming sites reporting on his r--- accusation, fueling his harassment Max Temkin, co-creator of the game, has been accused of r---. Temkin has addressed the accusation and asserted his innocence. It's all really heavy and serious and it concerns one of the most successful card games ever released. I mean, that game is massive. So it's weird not to talk about it, right? Why is no-one talking about it? Folow on. - RockPaperShotgun List of media outlets that reported on CAH's creator's r--- accusation and contributed to his harassment Rock Paper Shotgun, Gawker, TheDailyBeast, Kotaku, Jezebel, TheMarySue. NeoGaf allowed a 17 page thread on it, but mocks and bans any who post about ZQ. There are more that I can't find at a glance The difference between Zoe Quinn and Max Temkin? Zoe Quinn is a part of the social justice movement. Max Temkin includes cards in his game that offends the social justice movement. Convenient Edit (If an allegation of r--- against Max Temkin is somehow games journalism, despite having no connection to gaming and being an accusation without proof, so is this. When the same game journats claim his r--- accusation has everything to do with game journalism and ZQ's potentially unethical behavior with game journalists aren't, well I find that interesting. One gets a megaphone by them, the other gets duct tape.) Update False alarm on the shadowban. I was apparently shadowbanned by an automated filter, it has been removed. Plenty of other people in this topic have, though Update2 If you voted or commented on this submission within the first hour of it's posting, create a thread in /r/Shadowban. You may be banned from reddit. I've also removed the confusing part some people were bothered by, since it's not important enough to argue over permalink [-] Mr5 306 759 points 10 hours ago" I would also like to provide this as another example of a blatant double-standard Edit: It seems i have been shadowbanned, not sure if this edit will show because of it, disappointed to say the least permalink parent [-] lostshell 38 points 5 hours ago Here is another more direct comparison: Quinn claims she's harassed by Wizardchan·SJws believe her completely and run with the story Quinn's ex claims she's a liar with proof. SJWs, like Sessler, claim nothing is proven so we should ignore everything Apparently skepticism is appropriate only for one side permalink parent](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/list/000/816/740/31f.png "Double standards in gaming journalism")
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