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2024 "TikTok" Bill / Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act


Added about a month ago by Adam • Updated 10 days ago by Zach
Added about a month ago by Adam • Updated 10 days ago by Zach

2024 push to ban tiktok
2024 push to ban tiktok

Overview

The 2024 "TikTok" Bill refers to the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act, which is a bill introduced in the United States House of Representatives in March 2024 that would require TikTok to divest itself completely from Chinese parent company ByteDance or face a ban on app stores in the U.S. The bill was praised by some and caused concern among other social media users, as Joe Biden has voiced his intent to sign such a bill should it make it to his desk. Furthermore, on March 13th, 2024, the United States House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly to pass the bill. As of March 13th, the bill would need to pass the U.S. Senate before Biden can sign it into law. Similar to previous events involving the potential banning of TikTok in America, the bill garnered widespread media coverage, discourse and memes online.

Background

On March 5th, 2024, Wisconsin representative Mike Gallagher, a Republican, introduced the "Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act,"[1] which essentially requires TikTok owners ByteDance to divest from the app lest it face a ban in the United States. The introduction of the bill prompted President Joe Biden to voice his support for it, indicating that if it makes it to his desk, he will sign it.

Several politicians voiced their opposition to the bill, including Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Jamaal Bowman (Bowman's TikTok voicing his opposition shown below).

@repbowman Banning TikTok means silencing our young people, and that is unacceptable. #JamaalBowman #TikTokBan ♬ Trendsetter – Connor Price & Haviah Mighty

Notably, Donald Trump was among those who opposed the bill, though he supported a similar movement during his time as President back in 2020. Trump said TikTok stood in the way of Meta from monopolizing the short form video space, and deemed Meta an enemy of America.[2]

Developments

On March 13th, 2024, the United States House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly in favor of passing the bill, 352-65.[2] As of March 13th, the bill still needs to come to the U.S. Senate floor for a vote, and even then it is unclear if the bill would pass.

On social media, users debated whether the bill should be passed. For example, on March 13th, Twitter / X user @MichaelTracy[3] argued that the real reason Congress wants to pass such a bill is because it is a major news app for younger Americans and is not controlled by an American organization, gaining over 8,000 retweets and 17,000 likes in one day (shown below, left). That same day, Twitter user @AGHamilton[4] argued that the bill's critics were mischaracterizing it, as the bill was not an outright ban on TikTok but an effort to get the app divested from its foreign owners in China, gaining over 150 retweets and 640 likes in a similar timeframe (shown below, right).


Michael Tracey @mtracey Lead sponsor of the TikTok bill, Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-WI) admits the real reason they're rushing to ban TikTok -- because it's "becoming the dominant news platform for Americans under 30" and the US government doesn't control it like other platforms U.S. HOUSE TIKTOK DIVEST FROM CHINA OR FACE U.S. BAN REP. MIKE GALLAGHER R-Wisconsin, 8th District Green Bay, Appleton 0:37 9:51 AM Mar 13, 2024 • LIVE C-SPAN AG @AGHamilton29 This bill has nothing to do with banning speech or even a ban on a platform. It has to do with forcing TikTok to divest from a parent company controlled by the CCP. The fact that opponents have to keep lying about this is rather revealing. Tom Elliott @tomselliott • 5h .@RepSwalwell on his opposition to a #TikTok ban: "I don't like bans on speech. I don't like the Republican book bans. I don't like the bans on bodies that Republicans have put in place across the country ... I just I don't like bans on speech" N WS TRAL Washington, DC 7:41 AM ET AN CAN NEWS CENTRAL CONGRESSIONAL TESTIMONY LIVE BOTH DEMS & REPUBLICANS ATTACK HUR OVER BIDEN CLASSIFIED DOCS REPORT CAN 2:11 4:41 AM PT 11 POINTED JUDGE WHO STRUCK THE FDA APPROVAL DOWN CW.com FORMER J NEWS CENTRAL

On TikTok, discussion of the bill centered on concern and dispelling misinformation surrounding it. On March 12th, 2024, TikToker Carterpcs explained that the app was not getting "banned" in the upcoming vote. The video gained over 585,000 views in one day (shown below, left). The same day, user @connorhessee posted a video joking about people who didn't realize that the vote was not a ban, gaining over 283,000 views in the same timeframe (shown below, right).

@carterpcs Tiktok is NOT getting banned tomorrow #carterpcs #tech #techtok #tiktokban ♬ What's Next (Instrumental) – DJ Boomin

@connorhessee

I need yall to read😭 a bill that is much broader than banning tiktok that is mostly ab censorship in the name of "protecting data"🙄 And the bill has to pass the house, then IF it does then itll go to the senate for a vote THEN IF IT PASSES SENATE then old biden has to either pass or veto it. Its a long process, but then if its passed tiktok has 5 months to follow the bill to what its asking or risk being banned. SO THERE U GO MF CHILL TT NOT GOING ANYWHERE AT LEAST FOR A MINUTE

♬ original sound – Connor Hesse

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Comments ( 71 )

  • DavidM - about a month ago

    YES YES YES !!!!

    +10
    • DavidM - about a month ago

      anyway on another note and to adress something common I've seen flying around.

      No they are not proposing the banning of tiktok to "hide the crimes of the government" or to "affect election year" or some shit like that, if they wanted to do either of those , they would be better off targeting instagram or twitter… or the you know, the whole internet in general.(I am pretty sure tiktok makes THEM a favor in spreading electoral propaganda and drowning news)

      This is something both republicans and democrats seem to be somewhat agreeing on, and the core of the issue is not any "silencing" or any of that (twitter already spreads all misinfo one would want well enough on its own) but the concerns over chinese spyware and the fact that a large chunck on devices now have tiktok pre-installed.

      and yes, We SHOULD be concerned about chinese spyware in our devices, china is not a good country, their government is a dictatorship with actual expansionist ideals wich is constantly harassing their neighbourgs waters, actively encourages han ethnic supremacy, their labor ethic might as well be slavery and they are actively commiting genocide, and consider the US an enemy.

      Yes, the government should be concerned about an app under the beck and call by a beligerent foreing nation that considers it a rival.

      +50
      • qx1511 - about a month ago

        Gotta feel sorry for Tiktok users though, where else are they gonna satisfy their goldfish-level attention spans now?

        +3
        • DavidM - about a month ago

          there are plenty of brainrot replacements… besides, tiktok doesnt necessarily needs to die so long as they sell, and are no longer under the whin of bytedance…

          tbh, idk why people are defending tiktok so fiercely, either the corporation meets the demands or they get removed from the appstore, its fairly simple, or are people gonna defend the corpos now of all times ?

          +3
        • Quiet_boi - about a month ago

          At worst, Youtube Shorts or short videos on Twitter.
          At best, they solve their skill issue and git gud attention spans.

          +3
      • DavidM - about a month ago

        there are plenty of brainrot replacements… besides, tiktok doesnt necessarily needs to die so long as they sell, and are no longer under the whin of bytedance…

        tbh, idk why people are defending tiktok so fiercely, either the corporation meets the demands or they get removed from the appstore, its fairly simple, or are people gonna defend the corpos now of all times ?

        +3
      • Quiet_boi - about a month ago

        At worst, Youtube Shorts or short videos on Twitter.
        At best, they solve their skill issue and git gud attention spans.

        +3
      • RagingGhost - about a month ago

        Republicans and Democrats agreeing on anything should be a red flag.

        -2
      • thebigguy123 - about a month ago

        It's not that different from American spyware from our American social media sites, then.

        -1
    • qx1511 - about a month ago

      Gotta feel sorry for Tiktok users though, where else are they gonna satisfy their goldfish-level attention spans now?

      +3
      • DavidM - about a month ago

        there are plenty of brainrot replacements… besides, tiktok doesnt necessarily needs to die so long as they sell, and are no longer under the whin of bytedance…

        tbh, idk why people are defending tiktok so fiercely, either the corporation meets the demands or they get removed from the appstore, its fairly simple, or are people gonna defend the corpos now of all times ?

        +3
      • Quiet_boi - about a month ago

        At worst, Youtube Shorts or short videos on Twitter.
        At best, they solve their skill issue and git gud attention spans.

        +3
    • DavidM - about a month ago

      there are plenty of brainrot replacements… besides, tiktok doesnt necessarily needs to die so long as they sell, and are no longer under the whin of bytedance…

      tbh, idk why people are defending tiktok so fiercely, either the corporation meets the demands or they get removed from the appstore, its fairly simple, or are people gonna defend the corpos now of all times ?

      +3
    • Quiet_boi - about a month ago

      At worst, Youtube Shorts or short videos on Twitter.
      At best, they solve their skill issue and git gud attention spans.

      +3
    • RagingGhost - about a month ago

      Republicans and Democrats agreeing on anything should be a red flag.

      -2
  • DavidM - about a month ago

    anyway on another note and to adress something common I've seen flying around.

    No they are not proposing the banning of tiktok to "hide the crimes of the government" or to "affect election year" or some shit like that, if they wanted to do either of those , they would be better off targeting instagram or twitter… or the you know, the whole internet in general.(I am pretty sure tiktok makes THEM a favor in spreading electoral propaganda and drowning news)

    This is something both republicans and democrats seem to be somewhat agreeing on, and the core of the issue is not any "silencing" or any of that (twitter already spreads all misinfo one would want well enough on its own) but the concerns over chinese spyware and the fact that a large chunck on devices now have tiktok pre-installed.

    and yes, We SHOULD be concerned about chinese spyware in our devices, china is not a good country, their government is a dictatorship with actual expansionist ideals wich is constantly harassing their neighbourgs waters, actively encourages han ethnic supremacy, their labor ethic might as well be slavery and they are actively commiting genocide, and consider the US an enemy.

    Yes, the government should be concerned about an app under the beck and call by a beligerent foreing nation that considers it a rival.

    +50
    • qx1511 - about a month ago

      Gotta feel sorry for Tiktok users though, where else are they gonna satisfy their goldfish-level attention spans now?

      +3
      • DavidM - about a month ago

        there are plenty of brainrot replacements… besides, tiktok doesnt necessarily needs to die so long as they sell, and are no longer under the whin of bytedance…

        tbh, idk why people are defending tiktok so fiercely, either the corporation meets the demands or they get removed from the appstore, its fairly simple, or are people gonna defend the corpos now of all times ?

        +3
      • Quiet_boi - about a month ago

        At worst, Youtube Shorts or short videos on Twitter.
        At best, they solve their skill issue and git gud attention spans.

        +3
    • DavidM - about a month ago

      there are plenty of brainrot replacements… besides, tiktok doesnt necessarily needs to die so long as they sell, and are no longer under the whin of bytedance…

      tbh, idk why people are defending tiktok so fiercely, either the corporation meets the demands or they get removed from the appstore, its fairly simple, or are people gonna defend the corpos now of all times ?

      +3
    • Quiet_boi - about a month ago

      At worst, Youtube Shorts or short videos on Twitter.
      At best, they solve their skill issue and git gud attention spans.

      +3
    • RagingGhost - about a month ago

      Republicans and Democrats agreeing on anything should be a red flag.

      -2
    • thebigguy123 - about a month ago

      It's not that different from American spyware from our American social media sites, then.

      -1
  • Weimario - about a month ago

    +3
  • No!! - about a month ago

    +7
  • qx1511 - about a month ago

    Gotta feel sorry for Tiktok users though, where else are they gonna satisfy their goldfish-level attention spans now?

    +3
    • DavidM - about a month ago

      there are plenty of brainrot replacements… besides, tiktok doesnt necessarily needs to die so long as they sell, and are no longer under the whin of bytedance…

      tbh, idk why people are defending tiktok so fiercely, either the corporation meets the demands or they get removed from the appstore, its fairly simple, or are people gonna defend the corpos now of all times ?

      +3
    • Quiet_boi - about a month ago

      At worst, Youtube Shorts or short videos on Twitter.
      At best, they solve their skill issue and git gud attention spans.

      +3
  • Quiet_boi - about a month ago

    So this is the end of Know Your Tik-Tok?

    I'm no complaining, but it means the other 50% of this site is gonna get amplified because of the lack of this half.
    I mean the political discussions, those are possibly gonna become much more common, specially in this US election year.

    +5
  • Pokejoseph64 - about a month ago

    Cmon! Get that cancerous app out of here!!

    +2
  • DavidM - about a month ago

    there are plenty of brainrot replacements… besides, tiktok doesnt necessarily needs to die so long as they sell, and are no longer under the whin of bytedance…

    tbh, idk why people are defending tiktok so fiercely, either the corporation meets the demands or they get removed from the appstore, its fairly simple, or are people gonna defend the corpos now of all times ?

    +3
  • Quiet_boi - about a month ago

    At worst, Youtube Shorts or short videos on Twitter.
    At best, they solve their skill issue and git gud attention spans.

    +3
  • polandgod75 - about a month ago

    Like how Trump's is in opposition for this bill despite him being push for this and one thing the Democrats actually agree with . Ether he wanted to take credit or realized the propaganda of it.

    Also yes I agree Tik tok should be banned, it one thing to a annoying site and have spy ware, but it being a way for CCP government to actually spread disinformation(and it something that actually been proven) and division. Again let keep our spyware native.

    +7
    • DavidM - about a month ago

      he 100% wanted to take credit for it.

      trump is as of currently, merely a contrarian.

      +8
      • qx1511 - about a month ago

        Ain't political tribalism grand? Gotta oppose something, even if that something is good, because the other political party supports it!

        0
      • King Crimson - about a month ago

        It's worse than that. He changed his mind after meeting with a donor who just happens to have a ton of money tied up in TikTok. I would say it's shocking to see that Trump has no principles but…no it isn't.

        0
    • qx1511 - about a month ago

      Ain't political tribalism grand? Gotta oppose something, even if that something is good, because the other political party supports it!

      0
    • King Crimson - about a month ago

      It's worse than that. He changed his mind after meeting with a donor who just happens to have a ton of money tied up in TikTok. I would say it's shocking to see that Trump has no principles but…no it isn't.

      0
  • Crits Madine - about a month ago

    PLEASE CONGRESS DO AT LEAST ONE THING RIGHT FOR ONCE

    +3
  • This is Big Miss Steak - about a month ago

    And thus the end of CCP spying on US database

    +4
  • Chimes - about a month ago

    This is just going to be one giant monkey paw, I just know it…

    +8
  • DavidM - about a month ago

    he 100% wanted to take credit for it.

    trump is as of currently, merely a contrarian.

    +8
    • qx1511 - about a month ago

      Ain't political tribalism grand? Gotta oppose something, even if that something is good, because the other political party supports it!

      0
    • King Crimson - about a month ago

      It's worse than that. He changed his mind after meeting with a donor who just happens to have a ton of money tied up in TikTok. I would say it's shocking to see that Trump has no principles but…no it isn't.

      0
  • Turd Sandwich - about a month ago

    On the one hand TikTok is a pox on society and Chinese spyware and I will not be sad to see it go but on the other hand I can't help but worry what this will mean for the future should the government start to consider another app/website a "threat" to national security.

    +49
    • thebigguy123 - about a month ago

      Indeed. Especially during a time of great Pro-Palestine solidarity. The US looks cowardly doing this now at this time…

      You can see the conspiratorial anger from Pro-Palestine social media users everywhere in response to these news.

      0
      • Genral Urist - about a month ago

        What does TikTok have to do with Palestine, is that site where most pro-palestinian people post their political stuff?

        0
        • thebigguy123 - 29 days ago

          The IDF posts themselves in action there, and that destroys their PR.
          A lot of Pro-Palestine youths denounce Israel there. Even though a lot of them fall for antisemitic canards out of anger at Israel's crimes.

          0
      • thebigguy123 - 29 days ago

        The IDF posts themselves in action there, and that destroys their PR.
        A lot of Pro-Palestine youths denounce Israel there. Even though a lot of them fall for antisemitic canards out of anger at Israel's crimes.

        0
    • Genral Urist - about a month ago

      What does TikTok have to do with Palestine, is that site where most pro-palestinian people post their political stuff?

      0
      • thebigguy123 - 29 days ago

        The IDF posts themselves in action there, and that destroys their PR.
        A lot of Pro-Palestine youths denounce Israel there. Even though a lot of them fall for antisemitic canards out of anger at Israel's crimes.

        0
    • thebigguy123 - 29 days ago

      The IDF posts themselves in action there, and that destroys their PR.
      A lot of Pro-Palestine youths denounce Israel there. Even though a lot of them fall for antisemitic canards out of anger at Israel's crimes.

      0
  • Evilthing - about a month ago

    Is this the "Only we may spy on our citizens" bill?

    +5
  • Sheeps44 - about a month ago

    if this means less SHIT-TOK memes on this side then good.

    +2
  • Kenetic Kups - about a month ago

    Ban it and delete it all

    +4
  • RagingGhost - about a month ago

    Republicans and Democrats agreeing on anything should be a red flag.

    -2
  • Habalabalu - about a month ago

    I'm no fan of TikToc or most major Social Media platforms but there's just something I don't get. While I agree that China collecting private data is a valid concern, but Meta, Google, and other companies collect and sell private data all the time to god knows who, what's stopping China from acquiring data from them?

    +5
    • UnKewln00b - about a month ago

      Yeah but then they'll be paying American companies for the data. I imagine they were really only angry because China was getting our data and we didn't profit off of that.

      I was going to end this with a /s. But after typing it out I can't help but feel like I might've stumbled across something. Now just in case, say it with me, Kewln00b did not kill himself.

      +7
      • KZN02 - about a month ago

        "Better the devil you know" essentially?

        +1
        • walperinus - about a month ago

          talking from almost if not total ignorance, i guess the diference would be:
          the ccp wants user data to 'big brother' anyone that isnt the party.
          on the other side when an western company sells user data, is going not to goverments looking who needs reeducation, but ad companies wantingto sell you more products, products that you never heard about because adblockers

          +4
      • walperinus - about a month ago

        talking from almost if not total ignorance, i guess the diference would be:
        the ccp wants user data to 'big brother' anyone that isnt the party.
        on the other side when an western company sells user data, is going not to goverments looking who needs reeducation, but ad companies wantingto sell you more products, products that you never heard about because adblockers

        +4
    • KZN02 - about a month ago

      "Better the devil you know" essentially?

      +1
      • walperinus - about a month ago

        talking from almost if not total ignorance, i guess the diference would be:
        the ccp wants user data to 'big brother' anyone that isnt the party.
        on the other side when an western company sells user data, is going not to goverments looking who needs reeducation, but ad companies wantingto sell you more products, products that you never heard about because adblockers

        +4
    • walperinus - about a month ago

      talking from almost if not total ignorance, i guess the diference would be:
      the ccp wants user data to 'big brother' anyone that isnt the party.
      on the other side when an western company sells user data, is going not to goverments looking who needs reeducation, but ad companies wantingto sell you more products, products that you never heard about because adblockers

      +4
    • Steve - about a month ago

      They have, Facebook has sold data to china before I know off the top of my head

      +1
    • Habalabalu - about a month ago

      It seems I haven't been following along more closely. It turns out the White House does have data privacy in mind. Which satisfies my concern for now.

      Link
      https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/02/28/fact-sheet-president-biden-issues-sweeping-executive-order-to-protect-americans-sensitive-personal-data/

      0
  • qx1511 - about a month ago

    Ain't political tribalism grand? Gotta oppose something, even if that something is good, because the other political party supports it!

    0
  • thebigguy123 - about a month ago

    Indeed. Especially during a time of great Pro-Palestine solidarity. The US looks cowardly doing this now at this time…

    You can see the conspiratorial anger from Pro-Palestine social media users everywhere in response to these news.

    0
    • Genral Urist - about a month ago

      What does TikTok have to do with Palestine, is that site where most pro-palestinian people post their political stuff?

      0
      • thebigguy123 - 29 days ago

        The IDF posts themselves in action there, and that destroys their PR.
        A lot of Pro-Palestine youths denounce Israel there. Even though a lot of them fall for antisemitic canards out of anger at Israel's crimes.

        0
    • thebigguy123 - 29 days ago

      The IDF posts themselves in action there, and that destroys their PR.
      A lot of Pro-Palestine youths denounce Israel there. Even though a lot of them fall for antisemitic canards out of anger at Israel's crimes.

      0
  • xTSGx - about a month ago

    Since Tiktok is explicitly mentioned as the definition of a "foreign adversary controlled application," it could run foul of Article 1, Section 9's prohibition on bills of attainder, depending on how the courts would interrupt the "punishment" aspect of the bill. Really scratching my head why they specifically named it in the bill when they could have just done a more vague definition that would save them from the attainder question--especially since they mention it in the FAQ for the bill, so they knew it could be an issue.

    0
  • UnKewln00b - about a month ago

    Yeah but then they'll be paying American companies for the data. I imagine they were really only angry because China was getting our data and we didn't profit off of that.

    I was going to end this with a /s. But after typing it out I can't help but feel like I might've stumbled across something. Now just in case, say it with me, Kewln00b did not kill himself.

    +7
    • KZN02 - about a month ago

      "Better the devil you know" essentially?

      +1
      • walperinus - about a month ago

        talking from almost if not total ignorance, i guess the diference would be:
        the ccp wants user data to 'big brother' anyone that isnt the party.
        on the other side when an western company sells user data, is going not to goverments looking who needs reeducation, but ad companies wantingto sell you more products, products that you never heard about because adblockers

        +4
    • walperinus - about a month ago

      talking from almost if not total ignorance, i guess the diference would be:
      the ccp wants user data to 'big brother' anyone that isnt the party.
      on the other side when an western company sells user data, is going not to goverments looking who needs reeducation, but ad companies wantingto sell you more products, products that you never heard about because adblockers

      +4
  • UnKewln00b - about a month ago

    It's really funny how people defending TikTok are saying things like "They're only doing this to silence the voices of young people." And you know what? Partially true. Yeah I imagine a lot of the®Senators supporting this are the same ones that think Taylor Swift is a Liberal PsyOp and think that banning TikTok will only help the Republican party. But come on, young people need a better place to have "A voice" than TikTok, the app that's unironically successfully doing what people have been saying Rock and Roll, Comic Books, Family Guy and Video Games would do to the younger generation.

    At the risk of sounding like a boomer, we're already seeing the affects TikTok is having on the next generations. If you think the entertainment industry is floundering right now just wait until the people whose attention spans are so fried that they get bored if they're not being stimulated for 5 seconds start voting with their wallets. Yeah I know, kinda cringe that the movie industry is the first thing on my mind when talking about the brain rot of Gen Alpha, but like I said, when they get older we'll start seeing the negative affects that dumpster fire will have on the next generation.

    +20
    • documents6 - about a month ago

      I'm gonna be real, you do sound like a boomer.

      There's been generation after generation of people seeing young people enjoy some new trendy thing, and thinking it's made them dumber, when usually the actual reason that they feel that way is because young people have always been kind of dumb in specific ways (lacking life experience) and young people have different beliefs than previous generations.

      Most studies that suggest a lowering attention span blame the internet and smartphones as a whole, so while frankly I don't think those studies are peer-reviewed and suspect they are a bit attention-grabbing, regardless that puts everyone active on this site on the same boat as tiktokers.

      +1
    • CypherPods - about a month ago

      The whole 5 second attention span aspect is sorta outdated considering TikTok added 10-minute videos in 2022 tbh.

      I actually don't know how to feel about it because it always felt like natural order that YouTube is for the long videos and TikTok is for the short videos.
      ~Pods

      -1
  • Terry Jones - about a month ago

    Why am I not the least bit surprised that the idiot now trying to take credit for Covid 19 Vaccines is also opposing this potential TikTok ban? Never change Donald Duck you precious cinnamon bun never change.

    XDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXDXD

    -8
    • Lord DIO - about a month ago

      That's an insult to Donald Duck and you know it. You call him Donald Fuck.

      +5
      • Triplem - about a month ago

        Well I'm gonna call him Goofy.

        +1
    • Triplem - about a month ago

      Well I'm gonna call him Goofy.

      +1
  • King Crimson - about a month ago

    It's worse than that. He changed his mind after meeting with a donor who just happens to have a ton of money tied up in TikTok. I would say it's shocking to see that Trump has no principles but…no it isn't.

    0
  • Lord DIO - about a month ago

    That's an insult to Donald Duck and you know it. You call him Donald Fuck.

    +5
    • Triplem - about a month ago

      Well I'm gonna call him Goofy.

      +1
  • Lord DIO - about a month ago

    Based

    0
  • KZN02 - about a month ago

    "Better the devil you know" essentially?

    +1
    • walperinus - about a month ago

      talking from almost if not total ignorance, i guess the diference would be:
      the ccp wants user data to 'big brother' anyone that isnt the party.
      on the other side when an western company sells user data, is going not to goverments looking who needs reeducation, but ad companies wantingto sell you more products, products that you never heard about because adblockers

      +4
  • Gouf Troop - about a month ago

    People keep saying tik tok is spyware. Was this ever actually proven?

    +4
    • Steve - about a month ago

      The US government has failed to provide any proof as of yet.

      0
  • walperinus - about a month ago

    talking from almost if not total ignorance, i guess the diference would be:
    the ccp wants user data to 'big brother' anyone that isnt the party.
    on the other side when an western company sells user data, is going not to goverments looking who needs reeducation, but ad companies wantingto sell you more products, products that you never heard about because adblockers

    +4
  • Marlotix - about a month ago

    I have no issue with banning TikTok on paper, but my problem is this bill allows the government to ban any foreign website or application for any reason, no matter how legitimate. This is a trojan horse for government censorship and control over the flow of information, and I don't find banning TikTok to be worth allowing that.

    Also, completely separate from whether or not banning TikTok is a good thing, if it does get banned then we're about to see a mass exodus to other websites like after the Tumblr porn ban but on a far, far larger scale and I am not ready for that.

    +16
  • Steve - about a month ago

    They have, Facebook has sold data to china before I know off the top of my head

    +1
  • Steve - about a month ago

    The US government has failed to provide any proof as of yet.

    0
  • documents6 - about a month ago

    I'm gonna be real, you do sound like a boomer.

    There's been generation after generation of people seeing young people enjoy some new trendy thing, and thinking it's made them dumber, when usually the actual reason that they feel that way is because young people have always been kind of dumb in specific ways (lacking life experience) and young people have different beliefs than previous generations.

    Most studies that suggest a lowering attention span blame the internet and smartphones as a whole, so while frankly I don't think those studies are peer-reviewed and suspect they are a bit attention-grabbing, regardless that puts everyone active on this site on the same boat as tiktokers.

    +1
  • thebigguy123 - about a month ago

    It's not that different from American spyware from our American social media sites, then.

    -1
  • Habalabalu - about a month ago

    It seems I haven't been following along more closely. It turns out the White House does have data privacy in mind. Which satisfies my concern for now.

    Link
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/02/28/fact-sheet-president-biden-issues-sweeping-executive-order-to-protect-americans-sensitive-personal-data/

    0
  • UngaDooda - about a month ago

    ban all social media or dont bother at all

    +2
    • supergoron - about a month ago

      I'm fine with doing this

      0
    • Luzno Lindo - 27 days ago

      If anything, they should find a way to stop people like you from being able to be a part of it. Your constant stream of mindless prattle and looking down on people is a pathetic thing to see.

      -4
  • | || || |_ - about a month ago

    The problem with this bill is the idea that TikTok would be completely fine if it was US-owned.

    Instead of trying to ban foreign websites for being foreign, maybe recognize the EU has a point with the GDPR and pass similar legislation that applies to all websites, domestic or foreign.

    I'd like to see legislation that forces social media websites in general to publish how their algorithm works, so we can see how we are being played.

    Not that I feel sorry for TikTok, China does exactly the same shit, but maybe the US shouldn't stoop to their level without trying anything else.

    +26
    • thebigguy123 - about a month ago

      No one has the attention span to read these.

      -1
  • thebigguy123 - about a month ago

    No one has the attention span to read these.

    -1
  • MCC1701 - about a month ago

    I really do not like Tiktok. From being an asset of an adversarial power to seeming very vapid and annoying, I don't have anything positive to say about it.

    That said I have seen multiple comparisons to the patriot act and summaries describe it less as "we are going to ban tiktok" and more that "we are going to give the federal government the power to ban tiktok and anything else" which are very different. That said I've had trouble actually finding the bill itself to read.

    +9
    • Marlotix - about a month ago

      Here's the bill.

      +3
      • MCC1701 - about a month ago

        Thank you! Too many clickbait articles in the search and I didn't want to manually parse congress on mobile.

        It is a relatively short bill and does seem to focus on what it is described as. What caught my eye was:
        “foreign adversary controlled application” means a website, desktop application, mobile application, or augmented or immersive technology application that is operated, directly or indirectly (including through a parent company, subsidiary, or affiliate), by… a covered company that… is determined by the President to present a significant threat to the national security of the United States.

        Could this allow the president to ban 4chan for example? While it requires following some processes and review, it looks like the answer is yes.

        I'm somewhat torn because apart from that the rest of the bill seemed benign and addresses a legit security concern. I think the better solution would involve laws regarding collection of personal information, but that's a bigger conversation.

        +2
        • Lkjhvc - 29 days ago

          Then it seems there's a simple test to determine if this is a good idea or not. Assume the following: A: This passes as is. B: Trump (or the current opposition leader if doing this later) wins the election. What does he do with it?

          0
          • MCC1701 - 29 days ago

            TBH I doubt anyone in this political landscape is likely to abuse it, however this bill doesn't have a expiration and what might be "safe" today might be less so in 30 years.

            +1
        • MCC1701 - 29 days ago

          TBH I doubt anyone in this political landscape is likely to abuse it, however this bill doesn't have a expiration and what might be "safe" today might be less so in 30 years.

          +1
      • Lkjhvc - 29 days ago

        Then it seems there's a simple test to determine if this is a good idea or not. Assume the following: A: This passes as is. B: Trump (or the current opposition leader if doing this later) wins the election. What does he do with it?

        0
        • MCC1701 - 29 days ago

          TBH I doubt anyone in this political landscape is likely to abuse it, however this bill doesn't have a expiration and what might be "safe" today might be less so in 30 years.

          +1
      • MCC1701 - 29 days ago

        TBH I doubt anyone in this political landscape is likely to abuse it, however this bill doesn't have a expiration and what might be "safe" today might be less so in 30 years.

        +1
    • MCC1701 - about a month ago

      Thank you! Too many clickbait articles in the search and I didn't want to manually parse congress on mobile.

      It is a relatively short bill and does seem to focus on what it is described as. What caught my eye was:
      “foreign adversary controlled application” means a website, desktop application, mobile application, or augmented or immersive technology application that is operated, directly or indirectly (including through a parent company, subsidiary, or affiliate), by… a covered company that… is determined by the President to present a significant threat to the national security of the United States.

      Could this allow the president to ban 4chan for example? While it requires following some processes and review, it looks like the answer is yes.

      I'm somewhat torn because apart from that the rest of the bill seemed benign and addresses a legit security concern. I think the better solution would involve laws regarding collection of personal information, but that's a bigger conversation.

      +2
      • Lkjhvc - 29 days ago

        Then it seems there's a simple test to determine if this is a good idea or not. Assume the following: A: This passes as is. B: Trump (or the current opposition leader if doing this later) wins the election. What does he do with it?

        0
        • MCC1701 - 29 days ago

          TBH I doubt anyone in this political landscape is likely to abuse it, however this bill doesn't have a expiration and what might be "safe" today might be less so in 30 years.

          +1
      • MCC1701 - 29 days ago

        TBH I doubt anyone in this political landscape is likely to abuse it, however this bill doesn't have a expiration and what might be "safe" today might be less so in 30 years.

        +1
    • Lkjhvc - 29 days ago

      Then it seems there's a simple test to determine if this is a good idea or not. Assume the following: A: This passes as is. B: Trump (or the current opposition leader if doing this later) wins the election. What does he do with it?

      0
      • MCC1701 - 29 days ago

        TBH I doubt anyone in this political landscape is likely to abuse it, however this bill doesn't have a expiration and what might be "safe" today might be less so in 30 years.

        +1
    • MCC1701 - 29 days ago

      TBH I doubt anyone in this political landscape is likely to abuse it, however this bill doesn't have a expiration and what might be "safe" today might be less so in 30 years.

      +1
  • ReverendBroom - about a month ago

    Genuine question, is there actual proof that tiktok is spyware?

    +2
  • CypherPods - about a month ago

    The whole 5 second attention span aspect is sorta outdated considering TikTok added 10-minute videos in 2022 tbh.

    I actually don't know how to feel about it because it always felt like natural order that YouTube is for the long videos and TikTok is for the short videos.
    ~Pods

    -1
  • CypherPods - about a month ago

    >content is dominated by random people more than corpos
    >mostly low effort content such as dances or just a dude talking in front of a phone camera
    >low quality content

    TikTok is the old days of YouTube in modern times. Looking at the people who are in TikTok though, I'm thinking that YouTube prioritizing smaller creators less in its algorithm is a good thing.

    Susan Wojcicki was legit a hero. I just couldn't see it.
    ~Cypher

    -13
  • Steve - about a month ago

    No one has presented any evidence, no

    +5
  • Triplem - about a month ago

    Well I'm gonna call him Goofy.

    +1
  • Marlotix - about a month ago

    Here's the bill.

    +3
    • MCC1701 - about a month ago

      Thank you! Too many clickbait articles in the search and I didn't want to manually parse congress on mobile.

      It is a relatively short bill and does seem to focus on what it is described as. What caught my eye was:
      “foreign adversary controlled application” means a website, desktop application, mobile application, or augmented or immersive technology application that is operated, directly or indirectly (including through a parent company, subsidiary, or affiliate), by… a covered company that… is determined by the President to present a significant threat to the national security of the United States.

      Could this allow the president to ban 4chan for example? While it requires following some processes and review, it looks like the answer is yes.

      I'm somewhat torn because apart from that the rest of the bill seemed benign and addresses a legit security concern. I think the better solution would involve laws regarding collection of personal information, but that's a bigger conversation.

      +2
      • Lkjhvc - 29 days ago

        Then it seems there's a simple test to determine if this is a good idea or not. Assume the following: A: This passes as is. B: Trump (or the current opposition leader if doing this later) wins the election. What does he do with it?

        0
        • MCC1701 - 29 days ago

          TBH I doubt anyone in this political landscape is likely to abuse it, however this bill doesn't have a expiration and what might be "safe" today might be less so in 30 years.

          +1
      • MCC1701 - 29 days ago

        TBH I doubt anyone in this political landscape is likely to abuse it, however this bill doesn't have a expiration and what might be "safe" today might be less so in 30 years.

        +1
    • Lkjhvc - 29 days ago

      Then it seems there's a simple test to determine if this is a good idea or not. Assume the following: A: This passes as is. B: Trump (or the current opposition leader if doing this later) wins the election. What does he do with it?

      0
      • MCC1701 - 29 days ago

        TBH I doubt anyone in this political landscape is likely to abuse it, however this bill doesn't have a expiration and what might be "safe" today might be less so in 30 years.

        +1
    • MCC1701 - 29 days ago

      TBH I doubt anyone in this political landscape is likely to abuse it, however this bill doesn't have a expiration and what might be "safe" today might be less so in 30 years.

      +1
  • Genral Urist - about a month ago

    Bill passes, sets a very dangerous precedent for the US government to meddle with social media on flimsy charges. Bill fails, the blight that is TikTok continues plaguing the nation. This does not energize me.

    Ideally we'd have general legislation on what sort of data social media is allowed to collect, but Facebook and X would never tolerate that.

    +9
  • Genral Urist - about a month ago

    What does TikTok have to do with Palestine, is that site where most pro-palestinian people post their political stuff?

    0
    • thebigguy123 - 29 days ago

      The IDF posts themselves in action there, and that destroys their PR.
      A lot of Pro-Palestine youths denounce Israel there. Even though a lot of them fall for antisemitic canards out of anger at Israel's crimes.

      0
  • MCC1701 - about a month ago

    Thank you! Too many clickbait articles in the search and I didn't want to manually parse congress on mobile.

    It is a relatively short bill and does seem to focus on what it is described as. What caught my eye was:
    “foreign adversary controlled application” means a website, desktop application, mobile application, or augmented or immersive technology application that is operated, directly or indirectly (including through a parent company, subsidiary, or affiliate), by… a covered company that… is determined by the President to present a significant threat to the national security of the United States.

    Could this allow the president to ban 4chan for example? While it requires following some processes and review, it looks like the answer is yes.

    I'm somewhat torn because apart from that the rest of the bill seemed benign and addresses a legit security concern. I think the better solution would involve laws regarding collection of personal information, but that's a bigger conversation.

    +2
    • Lkjhvc - 29 days ago

      Then it seems there's a simple test to determine if this is a good idea or not. Assume the following: A: This passes as is. B: Trump (or the current opposition leader if doing this later) wins the election. What does he do with it?

      0
      • MCC1701 - 29 days ago

        TBH I doubt anyone in this political landscape is likely to abuse it, however this bill doesn't have a expiration and what might be "safe" today might be less so in 30 years.

        +1
    • MCC1701 - 29 days ago

      TBH I doubt anyone in this political landscape is likely to abuse it, however this bill doesn't have a expiration and what might be "safe" today might be less so in 30 years.

      +1
  • GeneHunt - about a month ago

    Let's give more power to the government, what could possibly go wrong?

    +11
    • DavidM - about a month ago

      Thing is …. they already have the power to do this in the firts place, the government has the legal right to ban any product or service they consider , given of course, that this ban goes through the proper channels(AKA: Bills, tho, they can just skip this if a service is proven to be doing ilegal shit, remember silk road?), wich is what is happening right now with this one.

      Also, the bill doesnt outright target tiktok as a ban target so long as the company sells to ANYONE who inst under the direct control and influence of the CCP.

      Is this a good precedent ? Not really, but given the main concern legally IS geopolitical rival spyware, I dont think the precedent would have that many uses.

      +10
    • Braneman - about a month ago

      Okay question, how do you "the government is always untrustworthy" people actually think the government works? Because the impression I always get from you people is that you think there is some farm somewhere where they grow politicians and you could pay like 5$ to feed them hay. And they come out of that farm all exactly as corrupt as one another to walk into office.

      Because with how many people bitch about the government being untrustworthy, if they actually understand how any of this works it kinda reflects poorly on them for not being politically organized enough to even elect a city councilman.

      +9
      • QuasiMadman - 27 days ago

        I promise you, no "the government is always untrustworthy" people think the government works at all.

        -1
    • QuasiMadman - 27 days ago

      I promise you, no "the government is always untrustworthy" people think the government works at all.

      -1
  • qx1511 - about a month ago

    TikTok Now, [Twitter] Later

    - David Sacks

    +1
  • DavidM - about a month ago

    Thing is …. they already have the power to do this in the firts place, the government has the legal right to ban any product or service they consider , given of course, that this ban goes through the proper channels(AKA: Bills, tho, they can just skip this if a service is proven to be doing ilegal shit, remember silk road?), wich is what is happening right now with this one.

    Also, the bill doesnt outright target tiktok as a ban target so long as the company sells to ANYONE who inst under the direct control and influence of the CCP.

    Is this a good precedent ? Not really, but given the main concern legally IS geopolitical rival spyware, I dont think the precedent would have that many uses.

    +10
  • supergoron - about a month ago

    I'm fine with doing this

    0
  • Braneman - about a month ago

    Okay question, how do you "the government is always untrustworthy" people actually think the government works? Because the impression I always get from you people is that you think there is some farm somewhere where they grow politicians and you could pay like 5$ to feed them hay. And they come out of that farm all exactly as corrupt as one another to walk into office.

    Because with how many people bitch about the government being untrustworthy, if they actually understand how any of this works it kinda reflects poorly on them for not being politically organized enough to even elect a city councilman.

    +9
    • QuasiMadman - 27 days ago

      I promise you, no "the government is always untrustworthy" people think the government works at all.

      -1
  • Lkjhvc - 29 days ago

    Then it seems there's a simple test to determine if this is a good idea or not. Assume the following: A: This passes as is. B: Trump (or the current opposition leader if doing this later) wins the election. What does he do with it?

    0
    • MCC1701 - 29 days ago

      TBH I doubt anyone in this political landscape is likely to abuse it, however this bill doesn't have a expiration and what might be "safe" today might be less so in 30 years.

      +1
  • thebigguy123 - 29 days ago

    The IDF posts themselves in action there, and that destroys their PR.
    A lot of Pro-Palestine youths denounce Israel there. Even though a lot of them fall for antisemitic canards out of anger at Israel's crimes.

    0
  • MCC1701 - 29 days ago

    TBH I doubt anyone in this political landscape is likely to abuse it, however this bill doesn't have a expiration and what might be "safe" today might be less so in 30 years.

    +1
  • Saber THE Totodile - 29 days ago

    I might be misinformed by like some off-handed information I was given like a year or two ago when this was first suggested, but isn't the ban only for government workers and such?

    Alright after realizing I have the power of the internet at my finger tips, I googled it and saw that, I wasn't wrong but that was a separate matter in 2023. So if anyone else is thinking that same thing; no it's different.

    +1
  • BENIS ELEPHANT - 29 days ago

    and so, an entire generation learns about vpns

    +2
  • Evilthing - 29 days ago

    How much of the media will get lost due to the ban?

    +1
    • Dry Ice - 29 days ago

      probably YouTube must eliminate YouTube short due to incoming cringeworthy in that system, really have a very BAD CRINGE in that tiktok.

      0
    • DavidM - 29 days ago

      lost 100%… not really… stuff uploaded would still exist somewhere, but its likely that everything worth mentioning or saving has already been backed or breached containment and moved somewhere else, most of what we will lose will be random teens doing drama or dances, tho there's always the possibility we might lose hidden gems.

      That is IF tiktok is even banned, the site can always survive if it sells or if the bill doesnt pass(it most likely will, given both reps and dems want it gone, tho , for different reasons)

      0
  • Zach - 29 days ago

    Well, they were spying on U.S. journalists so …

    +4
  • RWallace514 - 29 days ago

    Let's hope so.

    +1
  • UnknownCanadian - 29 days ago

    Bro I fucking wish

    +1
  • Dry Ice - 29 days ago

    probably YouTube must eliminate YouTube short due to incoming cringeworthy in that system, really have a very BAD CRINGE in that tiktok.

    0
  • DavidM - 29 days ago

    lost 100%… not really… stuff uploaded would still exist somewhere, but its likely that everything worth mentioning or saving has already been backed or breached containment and moved somewhere else, most of what we will lose will be random teens doing drama or dances, tho there's always the possibility we might lose hidden gems.

    That is IF tiktok is even banned, the site can always survive if it sells or if the bill doesnt pass(it most likely will, given both reps and dems want it gone, tho , for different reasons)

    0
  • Krupam the Oldfag - 29 days ago

    Okay, I decided to give it a read to see if the wording leaves much to interpretation. In the paragraph on "definitions" it specifies what exactly is being targeted, and aside for explicitly specifying TikTok and ByteDance, it repeatedly mentions apps or websites that are controlled by "foreign adversary".
    Later paragraph specifies "The term “foreign adversary country” means a country specified in section 4872(d)(2) of title 10, United States Code ." That reference gives a rather specific list of North Korea, China, Russia, and Iran, without much room for "convenient interpretation" as far as I can tell.

    +1
  • KZN02 - 28 days ago

    Former Treasury Secretary Mnuchin is putting together an investor group to buy TikTok

    Former Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin is building an investor group to acquire ByteDance’s TikTok, as a bipartisan piece of legislation winding its way through Congress threatens its continued existence in the U.S.

    […]

    Mnuchin did not specify who the other investors would be in such a deal or the potential valuation for the social media site.

    0
  • QuasiMadman - 27 days ago

    I promise you, no "the government is always untrustworthy" people think the government works at all.

    -1
  • Luzno Lindo - 27 days ago

    If anything, they should find a way to stop people like you from being able to be a part of it. Your constant stream of mindless prattle and looking down on people is a pathetic thing to see.

    -4
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