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What's Up With The 'Women Don't Understand POV' Discourse? An Incendiary Twitter Controversy Explained
We've all seen something like this: a TikTok or other short-form video pops on your feed, and a person on the camera says it is a POV. However, the story or joke they tell has to do solely with them and they film themselves, meaning that you, the viewer, are not getting a "POV" or "point of view" experience at all.
POV: you’re ron desantis getting reading to leave the house pic.twitter.com/HDiaNyqZch
— Ashley St. Clair (@stclairashley) October 18, 2023
Now, if you're a stickler for grammar and slang accuracy, you might point out, "hey, that's not what POV means" and leave it at that. Others, however, have used this common misuse of "POV" to basically do phrenology on women and make sweeping sexist statements about the female gender, and a doozy of a controversy has led to some blazing hot takes about women this week.
What Is The "Women Don't Understand POV" Controversy?
In July of 2024, shortly after Kamala Harris became the presumptive Democratic nominee for President, conservative influencer @IsabellaMDeluca made a "POV" joke that was intended to imply the Vice President slept her way to the top. However, she posted a picture of herself, meaning that, if taken literally, her tweet implies that DeLuca is the one who slept her way to the top. The tweet was deleted but reposted by user @G0ADM, who remarked on the unintended implication of the tweet and added that "Women don't understand POV" is a "tired" joke.
![A tired joke Adam ✔ @GOADM I know women not understanding POV is a tired joke at this point but the implication here is so funny Isabella Maria DeLuca @IsabellaMDeLuca Follow POV: You're watching the woman who made it to the top by giving b------- announce her run for President. Crazy times we're living in.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/869/378/bd4.png)
This inspired a pair of wild takes, both from women, that intended to solve the mystery of why "women don't understand POV." The first came from user @kaschuta, who said women cannot grasp the concept of what "point of view" means because they do not encounter "POV" adult content nor play first-person shooters. Her claim is that women simply never encounter "POV" content in their average life and are thus too ignorant to recreate it.
![Women simply don't see "POV" in their categories bar Alex Kaschuta @kaschuta Women don't understand POV because they don't watch as much p--- or play first person shooters. It's not an IQ test, they just don't get to see it in the "categories" bar every day. • 2:11 PM Jul 24, 2024 592.3K Views](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/869/385/3c7.png)
In response, user @verymoisturized went far beyond her point and basically said that women are too vapid and narcissistic to conceive of themselves as something other than an object to be looked at.
Women "struggle with categorical judgments or abstract reasoning," she said, adding, "it’s very difficult for them to conceive of objects outside of a solipsistic frame."
![Women on women very moisturized @verymoisturized Respectfully, this is not why women don't understand POV. They don't understand POV for the same reason they struggle with categorical judgments or abstract reasoning - it's very difficult for them to conceive of objects outside of a solipsistic frame. The fact that male oriented entertainment has POV as a category is more a testament to the fact that they find this a more relatable way of looking at the world - as a subject not an object. Alex Kaschuta ✪ @kaschuta Follow Women don't understand POV because they don't watch as much p--- or play first person shooters. It's not an IQ test, they just don't get to see it in the "categories" bar every day. 2:11 PM 2024-07-24 From Earth 5.7K Views](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/869/402/dca.png)
This astounding, sweeping generalization of women was cheered by quite a few on Twitter, many of whom were men who agreed women are biologically too stupid to understand the meaning of "POV."
Is The "Women Don't Understand POV" Claim Accurate?
While there are plenty of examples of women misusing "POV," using it synonymously with more accurate abbreviations like MFW, there are also plenty of examples of men and groups committing the same error.
@peternugget teacher influencers behind the scenes 🤣 #pov #comedy #fyp ♬ original sound – peter nguyen
noahjaywood</a> <a title="pov" target="_blank" href="https://www.tiktok.com/tag/pov?refer=embed">#POV</a>: Two siblings are training to be one of the most de
dly assas!ns & one outshines the other…#fypシ #acting #fyp #collab #duet ♬ original sound – addamsfaml.
Furthermore, the misogynistic response to the misuse of the trend inspired some pushback. Twitter user @muditunderscore argued the discourse was a case of people seeing a woman misunderstanding a phrase and concluding all women are stupid, whereas upon seeing a man misusing the phrase, they would argue the man is stupid.
![A double standard mudit @muditunderscore you're being misogynistic while criticising misogyny so i feel like pulling out marilyn frye is justified here men misunderstand the pov joke just as much but when you see a man do it you just call the man stupid, when you see a woman do it you call women stupid Interaction WITCH a person mamitais a certain level of communicativeness and cooperativeness. One cannot, for instance, manifest certain kinds of intelligence in interactions with persons who have a prior conviction of one's stupidity; one's clever pun is heard as a clumsy misuse of a word or as a non sequitor. One cannot manifest sensitivity or discretion in interactions with someone who is distrustful and will not share relevant information. It is this sort of thing that opens Adam @GOADMâš« Jul 23 I know women not understanding POV is a tired joke at this point but the implication here is so funny POV: You're watching the woman who made it to](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/869/430/89e.png)
The discourse is intense, likely far too much so for a simple common error in internet slang. Still, as meme sticklers, we would appreciate it if people — of any gender — used the term "POV" correctly when memeing.
For the full history of "Women don't understand POV," be sure to check out Know Your Meme's encyclopedia entry for more information.
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