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Alright WTF KYM?

I'm a little tired of something and that something is MLP. Yes, downvote me. I don't care. I'd be just as pissed if this were about Touhou, Pokemon, TF2, or any of the other popular things on this website.

Why do I have a problem with it? I have a problem with it because it is being associated with absolutely every feature, section, and entry on this website for several months. MLP images are by far the most to be featured compared to important events such as the Occupy movement which seems to make it to featured about half (if not less) as often as MLP content. This is a website dedicated to researching memes not just ponies.

We need more variety.

MLP has dominated every last trending image, entry, gallery, and thread bar on the website with the rare occasion of a flamed deadpool entry bumping it from its place for a short time.

As for the forums, Pony general at the moment has about 10,000 by 88 users. In less than a month. That's more than 300 posts a day. What the hell do you guys talk about in there? It dominates the general forum with absolutely no other thread as competition.

Now, look at the threads like the Funny Pictures thread. It has about 1,300 posts by 127 after being in existence for more than a year. This is one of the very few non-pony related threads with this many posts. It has more posters than the mlp thread but people don't go bat shit insane posting a fuck-ton of shit everyday. It also allows for other threads to appear at the top of the screen which brings us some variety.

Can't we all just post in moderate amounts? This crap happening for such a long period of time is flat out ridiculous.

tl;dr:

I'm going to take a good long break from the forums. I'll decide whether or not to deactivate my account or return after a bit.

It's because the site has a lot of bronies, including me.
Personally, I find the ridiculous amount of posts a day in the Pony General thread annoying as well, seeing as how at least 25% of the posts are mindless images.

I thought the MLP images were removed from the trending images gallery a long time ago.

Checks mainpage

Oh! The trending images grid is removed? I sad.

No, don't leave Sui! We love you!

;_;

I agree, though. I'm fucking sick of ponies and the hypocritical bronies (love and toleration my ass, I've never seen you guys tolerate anyone).

I agree. Ponies are fun in a moderate amount, but with ponies everywhere without real content is just plain annoying. Especially when ponies are posted in a completely unrelated thread.

@burning_phoenix
I remember still seeing them earlier…….
When did it get removed?

They took away the trending images? God damn it, KYM… ಠ_ಠ

It's true. I have nothing wrong with the bronies, but there can be too much of a good thing, which the bronies need to realize.

You have no idea how I'm tired of all this invasion.

Everything needs to be in moderation.

I dare not say my word on Desu because opinions deserve respect, and it hasn't cause 20,000 posts in two months.

Scatman John will make everything better.
Trust me.

This is how I feel about users in the Pony General thread…

Also, it's kinda funny reading all these Cheetos pleading for you not to leave. _

Don't leave tho…

The thing we use to generate it is down at the moment, it will be back!

When a pony image got onto the trending images grid, it was usually a pony image in an another meme ( Joseph Decraux, impossibru…etc). Images from the main MLP entry were heavily restricted or outright prevented from getting onto the trending images. I'm not really sure what formula they used to get a pony picture there.

Did disaster girl have some role in this?

I don't agree with much of your reasoning, but:

Can’t we all just post in moderate amounts?

That I can agree with. Some of the posts in the images and in the thread are not necessary.

But what I'd like to throw out is that MLP trends so much on KYM, IN PART because it trends on the web (some of it really is just mindless posting). Even if the thread was toned down and the images were limited, the thread would still be on top of the other topics a lot, and there would still be a steady stream of images. Just not as many.

MLP is just a new beast of a memetic subculture. It's got staying power like Troll Physics, but it's got high trending power like Boxxy. As a Brony, I wouldn't mind some necessary restrictions, but keep that in mind.

You're even worse.

I honestly don't mind the pony invasion, but Suichan's completely right about the Brony-invasion detracting from everything else… Oh, and if it can keep you from leaving, take a look at this:

Desu is (just barely) winning, apparently.

The real problem, I think, is that the people in Pony General use it like a chat. They've created their own sub community in which they discuss their own personal stuff, instead of actual conversation. Plenty of the posts are just one line reactions to other posts. They say goodnight to each other, for God's sake.

Someone ought to tell'em it's just too much.

If you need a break Sui, I understand, it happens. But please don't go because of the ponies. I have had enough of them myself, but so far I haven't had a reason to openly rage against them to this degree.

However, I agree with Sui, we need to put restrictions on the Ponies, the obsession with them is way too unhealthy for the interest variety on the website.

EDIT: Somebody should go march into Pony General and tell the users who only post in there the wonders of the rest of the forums. They have been holed up in that fort for so long I am starting to doubt they even know what sunlight feels like.

But no, seriously. Lock the main MLP page. No more comments, no more images, no more videos. Please. Thank you.

F*CK YA'LL!!

I'M ROLLIN' WITH SCARY BROCK!!

Suiseiseki…

BTW: THAT'S HOW I IMAGINE A DAY AT KYM! :D

Cheeto Logic wrote:

The real problem, I think, is that the people in Pony General use it like a chat. They’ve created their own sub community in which they discuss their own personal stuff, instead of actual conversation. Plenty of the posts are just one line reactions to other posts. They say goodnight to each other, for God’s sake.

Now, there is Pony-related discussion there that isn't feasible in a chat setting, but all of it is not Pony or subcultural discussion (and I am guilty of it myself, but I'll try to curb that from here on out.)
 
 
 

Well, how about this? Perhaps DPF, Pimp Abra, or RandomMan can compile some decent reasoning and practical suggestions from here, and they can post it in the thread. (We all listen when they post. I could suggest stuff, but I'm just a regular user, and I think a mod can say it with more weight.) I'll start:

• There are a couple of rules (less enforced rules on most threads) that are being broken or "threatened" in the Pony thread:
  • 5. Use common sense when posting. If you have nothing to say on a particular subject, simply skip the topic and move on. The other users may be irritated by your intrusion.
    • The posts aren't relevant to the discussions or to the topic are breaking this rule. It's not usually irritating to us, but it is irritating indirectly to other users. There is a Steam chatroom for KYM Bronies (I'm still trying to figure it out, but I'm sure it works.) So the chat-like stuff could be enforced under that for the sake not flying through 8 Pony threads over the next few months.
  • 2. …Posting the same content repeatedly on the same user area or a different user area (repeat comments, spamming comment threads or forum threads, etc).
    • I might subjectively call some strings of posts "flooding." (or at least irrelevant flooding. We're always going to talk Pony.) I don't think "chatty" 5-word comments are necessary. I think there was a thread saying that the original purpose of the karma system was to be able to approve and encourage a high quality post or to disapprove and discourage irrelevant or detrimental posts without saying "THIS" or "GTFO" without posting a reply of true merit. We've used that in tandem with rather basic replies, which can get us through pages really quickly.
• And then there's some self-policing that can be done (the purpose of this post.) Like I said, MLP is a very active and zealous subculture. If there is going to be a thread at all, then it will likely always be on the front page of all threads until the fandom dies down. But if that fact is accepted by other users, then we can "police" ourselves too so it isn't a heavy-handed, Brony-specific, new rule.

While typing this, I saw Natsuru suggested having someone ask us to visit some of the other threads. I think that's a good idea. But again, that should come from a mod. MDFication (I think it was him) suggested that a while ago, but no one outside of the users already posting in other threads started to post elsewhere regularly.

Anybody else have suggestions? I have another suggestion, but I've said enough so far. I want to try to make something useful out of this.

KYM isn't the only site. For (I roughly assume, don't quote me on this or anything) just about 6 months to a year, deviantArt was hit with wave after wave of MLP images, drawings, and the like. Whenever I'd go on, I'd feel as though dA was deteriorating because of the sheer numbers of ponies being posted, in comparison to anything else. Every time I would refresh the home screen for dA, (which I had set to Newest Submissions) I couldn't find one page without ponies on it. Fortunately, I believe some of the hype on dA has died down, since the frequency of MLP posts were declining and as of now, it's back at an equilibrium.

If I were to make a prediction based on this, the same might (hopefully) be true for this site.

I really don't want to see more regular users consider leaving this site forever because of this. Hopefully enough of us will be willing to control ourselves (for what it's worth I've honestly been trying to pony responsibly all along) to make a difference.

If not I recall an idea about KYM bronies making our own forum and posting ponies there instead being thrown around a couple months ago. Most said it seemed unnecessary at the time and it may very well be what with the Steam group already existing, but I'm just throwing it out there for the sake of something else to consider in case there aren't enough of us slowing down / using Steam instead.

@Iamslow
Thanks!

Users starting to go the way of Suiseiseki would just be sad. I think that the Exodus of the Bronies would be sad too since the harm is not intentional, but it can't hurt to plan for the worst.
 
A quick search brings up names like phpbb and sites like forumotion. I've seen phpbb forums before, but I don't know anything of the maintenance or how free the advertised "free" is. In the worst case scenario, I guess anyone wanting to talk Pony would just scoot from the locked KYM Pony General thread to the external and non-related KYM Brony forum. And new Pony threads (or MLP altogether) would be banned.

A worst-case, hypothetical scenario.

This thread is radically… radical.
Even though I'm a pony hater and would gladly agree with all the anti-pony propaganda, I have to admit that I witnessed a whole day in which MLP was completely off the trending bar. Was it Saturday or Sunday?
Those bronies may have had a break that very day and it was beautiful. Why don't they do it more often?

I remember that day. It was a well-deserved breath of fresh air. Also, it was the day after Steve Jobs died.

Yes. I've seen at least six users who use ONLY the pony thread.

Ric Tesla's been here a month, and has 1,500+ Krama and 1,200+ Posts because of the threads.

Wouldn't it not being on top of the forums be a more visible thing to be happy about? The trending bar is quite small.

This happens fairly frequently now. Sure, somtimes it'll pop up back on the trending bar, but usually nowadays it's not always right there at the top, or even on the bar altogether. Ever since they started using the forums, that pretty much ended.

Problem is, sometimes there is so very little activity going on on this site, that even one single comment can push it right back top….which can't really be blamed on the bronies.

In all seriousness, when there's no entries for me to work on, there's jack-all for me to do on this site. I don't really care about what people do with all of the pony stuff, so long as it remains on site and accessible by me.

I don't think we should give the bronies their own forum. If they get their own section on KYM besides the pony articles and Pony General, it will become a magnet for more bronies. If bronies of other websites found out that KYM gave them an entire section to play in, brony immigration would heighten sharply. If a bunch of bronies un-used to KYM came on, they might start making completely useless articles about how "Lol Applejack is best pony lol", Which will only waste space and the Mods time. Plus, there's a nice chance the ponies will simply overflow into the other forum boards, or become a leviathan of a forum and slow down the website, possibly then prompting the bronies to ask for an entire section of the website.

TL;DR: KYM was made for memes, not ponies. Don't give the bronies their own forum.

Guys, the pony thread in the forum only takes up one slot of 20, and it isn't always on the main forum page.

I have no problem with people having a conversation using ponies in the pony thread because:

1. It generates ad revenue for the site (I assume it is based on page-views and not clicks but I could be wrong).

2, It's the damn pony section, the posts in it are relevant to its purpose, which is to host an area for bronies to talk while still letting the comments on the entry be useful to the making of the entry (I know this isn't true all the time, but it is more than it used to be)

3. If you don't like it, it is amazingly easy to ignore. It seriously takes up almost no room on any of the pages, and who cares if it is always on the trending bar, there is always about 5 others up there also, so it isn't drowning the others out.

4. Who cares how many threads there are if there is only one at a time.

tl;dr: it's good the way it is.

Talking shit on MLP is as bad as talking shit on Anime, and you know how I feel about anime..

You know I lol'd, seriously this site sucks, why am I even here in MLP faggot town? I mean bitching about something, and not leaving come on, thats pretty bad, which I am at the moment, so I could understand why you are leaving.

You know I'm okay with the pony general, but really its still everywhere, and its gonna be for awhile, so I'm just gonna act like Charlie Sheen, and say fuck it.

How I feel around MLP fanboys.

For an example of a forum that is extremely on-topic take a look at speeddemosarchive, no off-topic forum, one forum for general videogame discussion, almost everything else is site-related or speed running related. It's a good system as many users are active on a variety of forums, using alternate sites like metroid 2002 as an off topic forum(or IRC chat for casual conversations), or hanging out in forums that specialize in their area(shoot em forums, zelda forums, etc) where the conversations with users there are going to be more deep and meaningful anyways. Every year SDA members normally make up two or more teams in shmups shoot em up(if you don't know the acronym) competition.
What I'm getting at is that it is good to have cross-forum members, inter-forum traffic, and that this can be achieved while remaining centralized around your purpose(memes). We can't just lock the pony thread, that would be like just kicking out all the illegal immigrants in the US, we need a more gradual, systematic relocation effort. Let's use this topic to at the least post alternative places where the ponies can go, they can't after all enjoy being couped up in a single thread; they need open spaces to run around, and do pony things. Also, they should start using IRC for these casual conversations, and as part of the relocation effort we should make sure that their a lot of their posters(and posters here) at the least know how to use IRC.(many don't)

Hey, there's always the bodybuilding forums…

This reminds me of that whole Sonic fandom on the internet.
Everyone hated it.

I don't see why bronies get the good end of the bargain, and why Twilight/Sonic is considered to be a nuisance.

Because what they like is actually decent.

&troll;

Sweatie-Killer, you know, you can also…. do something about it if you think it's a faggot site and instead of whining. Like, I don't know, mail the staff of your concerns or create a poll while trying it not to become to flamatory by advising a mod to regurlarly mod it. I'm up to the task if you want.

decent? IMHO not even going to start.

Actually one of the bronies here, Supermonday, had started setting up a new forum independently a couple months ago but stopped because the idea wasn't getting much support. I don't think anyone assumed it would be here on KYM at all, but off site entirely. I'm not saying KYM should give us anything, I'm just saying that we had our own idea of what to do if the pony threads in the forum became overcrowded that may or may not be helpful in this situation – I just brought it up for consideration.

Will this be an ongoing thread, wherin suiseiseki rants on other topics?
Cos I would like that

Chipbeat wrote:

Let’s use this topic to at the least post alternative places where the ponies can go, they can’t after all enjoy being couped up in a single thread;

I'm actually just fine with my one thread. I don't really need an entire forum about ponies.

Do not drag me into this man.(Well you already did from me just posting this so might as well). Yes I do got alot of Karma but it's because of the thread we have karma parties now and then and when people start -1 our posts on the pony thread one of us start +1 each other's post then (but at times) become a karma party. I get it from other things as well, some other things I just post ponies only in that thread no where else because I know alot of people are annoyed of the fandom already. But I must say honestly I think it's partially my fault for having the thread to speed up so fast because I think before I gotten on the thread it was a bit "slow" if you may say so I decided to started to "speed" things up a bit to get people on their toes. But it's the fact there is so many ponies and the fact we can't talk on the entry that much anymore that some of us decided to do it on the thread where it should be and we did and now it evolved from a simple thread and into more of a chat room.

I actually have to agree with a lot of the points made in this thread. I swear sometimes I've seen people posting reaction pics to reaction pics, which were themselves posted to reaction pics. I read everything posted there, and it gets quite annoying having to scroll past pointless images and 3-word responses.

We'll miss you if you leave, Suiseiseki.
I hope you can come back, and if our resident bronies will kindly reign in their spamming to help you do so, it would be greatly appreciated

I also agree.
As soon as the Pony General thread went from discussion about ponies to 'IMAGE IMAGE IMAGE 6 words IMAGE IMAGE IMAGE' I started posting a lot less in there.
I did some maths and I think I worked out that at the current rate we'll be on Pony General 8 by the end of season 2