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Repeat post, for those who may not see it

This discussion is over, do not carry it on

Let's get back on topic.

Review: Bob is a terrible mod.

End of review.

Be constructive, please. You contributed nothing.

Since you have addressed me by my proper title, then you are forgiven.

I feel that you are missing the point here. It's not just about saying "sorry, I did bad" and then go on like all is alright in the world.

¿Are you actually set on improving from your current situation as a mod and an user?

That's the real question. If you haven't realized that you need to make a change, then all this is pointless.

You have shown an ugly side, show us how much you can improve in the future.

¿Are you actually set on improving from your current situation as a mod and an user?

Yes

>Twenty-one says, in bold, bigger font, quite clearly, and for a second time, that the topic is over.
>Bob tries to get the final word in.
>Taryn tries to get the final word in.
>Bob tries to get the final word in again.
>Neither with good posts.

Honestly why shouldn't I warn both your asses.

I honestly feel like there should be some way for users to keep up-to-date on what's happening with the mods. That could be anything from a simple weekly update in the announcements section to a section devoted to administrative subjects which the users could read but not comment in. I think NON mentioned something similar in another thread but I wanted to reiterate it here since it seems relevant to mod-review matters.

On an unrelated note, I also think the users should be at least slightly involved in the mod selection process. It doesn't have to be anything big like a formal election, but we should at least have some sort of input on the people who are going to be moderating and maintaining a site which we all use. I'll leave it up to you guys to discuss but I think something as simple as a formal way to nominate other users would be a good improvement in moderator-user relations.

You mean this more like an update whenever something hectic happens (like this week) or more a general update on stuff we've been discussing (like usual).

If the first, we can just drop info in this fairly inactive thread when it happens and folks can review.

The latter depends on the issue we're discussing. But we already move threads out of the mod forum if they're general issues.

I'm cool with letting users chime in with their opinion on potentional mod candidates, as long as the reasons are valid and not "I like him". How to approach this is up for discussion.

How to approach this is up for discussion.

Maybe reform the mod selection system entirely? More systematic "waves" of promotions based either on defined passage of time, or current mods becoming inactive. Right now it's more or less completely on a whim, and could be changed to something more codified.

A possible schedule in such a case could be as follows:

1. X number of months pass, or Y number of mods become inactive.
2. Someone points this out in the upgrades thread.
3. Once a certain amount of mods have replied and the majority agree that it's time for a new wave, a thread is made in general announcing the upcoming considerations and asking for user feedback and nominations.
4. The final decision is still made in the mod forum, albeit with significant attention paid to the thoughts of users. A lesser poison, because you know that with total democracy, sooner or later we'll end up with Calculator Fetishist as a mod.

Even ignoring user input, I think we've needed to discuss something like step 1 for quite some time. KYM's moderation system is very unique (being contribution-based more than attitude-based and so on) so a lack of quotas is probably not be a bad thing; the fact that we seem to be gaining mods much faster than we're losing them reflects this. But regardless, a little more formality would be nice.

All for discussing ideas such as this, but before this thread gets derailed any further I think it's best to take this conversation to site related and let this thread get back on topic finally.

Right now it’s more or less completely on a whim, and could be changed to something more codified.

I promoted ditching our old batch/wave system because it would frequently result in good mod candidates having to wait months because they started getting based like a month after a batch. Various quality mods suffered from this.

And now you wish to bring it back lol.

I personally much rather have these whim batches. Instead of 6 mods once a year, you now have 3 twice a year for example, giving much more consistency.

In that regard, a way to involve users is simply a stickied mod suggestion thread, allowing users to bring up and reply to candidates alongside mods. Then whenever a name is getting really dominant, we can consider one of those whim batches.

Edit: Good idea Nats, ya damn ninja.

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Those are all excuses, and you're clearly still mad Don told you to chill.

Stop derailing the thread. Consider this a thread wide warning.

Let's all chill plz. I don't want to have to lock this thread.

Where else am I supposed to post my demodding suggestions?

HolyCrapIt'sBob: While overall, Bob is not particularly a bad moderator, I do think that he clearly has some things to work on. For example, in debate (not just site related arguments), he tends to just berate users and dismiss their criticisms on the grounds that he simply doesn't believe in them. Once he did say that he wont do anything about things he personally feels are wrong, and only follow the rules. However, he has openly said that if he doesn't care for a rule, he wont follow it.

Overall, while he mostly follows procedures, he is terrible at user communication, which can cause problems on top of the issues that he is dealing with. That's where I recommend he get's better.

Bob has been approached by mods and staff to improve his attitude in debates; and in reply to his thread he did admit that, in hindsight, it was better done in private.

While it's still considered a WiP I guess, for now we'll see how he keeps up. If he keeps up what he was warned for, we'll discuss the consequences by then. He's doing fairly well so far.

Warning → Consequences: The standard procedure.

I don't think any of you are bad people at all, I don't hate a single mod here. I do respect that you take time out of your lives to moderate a meme site of all things with no profit for yourselves. I just have to say that I wish certain people (you know who you are) would take certain topics a bit more seriously. That's all.

take certain topics a bit more seriously

Can you elaborate on these topics a bit more though? If I gave an incorrect answer somewhere where you were hoping for something more serious, I can give it now (even thought too late). Examples are a lifesaver.

Edit:

If you don’t want to use the thread to discuss it for fear of some kind of backlash, there’s always PMs or IRC.

I don't recall anyone ever being backlashed for that, but sure man just PM who are to blame if you wish to avoid public discussion.

Armesi wrote:

I wish certain people (you know who you are) would take certain topics a bit more seriously.

Arms look, I respect your right to your opinion, but pussyfooting around and not being direct is not going to reach any kind of solution. If it's to be worthwhile "mod review", then you need to specifically take up the exact problem with the individual in question. Otherwise, what does your post achieve?

If you don't want to use the thread to discuss it for fear of some kind of backlash, there's always PMs or IRC.

I'm currently having an issue with HolyCrapItsBob. I'll post my recent chat from the irc between him and past private messages.
I could easily just finally lose my temper and fling a bunch of insults at him. But, that would hurt me more than him. Anyways, please go through our chats and see if you can maybe see the issues I'm having with him.

Edit: He had to add his two cents after I posted this so I included screenshots of those too.

I aced an interview today so I'm here to spread some positivity that I've actually been thinking about for a while. I have two people to talk about in particular:

HolyCrapItsBob is one of the most misunderstood users, by myself as well as others. Whatever "blips" might have been in the past, over the past few months he's made serious effort to become a community member again and be one of the gang. Say what you like about the guy's ostensible "ego"; almost every regular here has a massive ego tbh. You can't deny that Bob frequently displays concern for the mental wellbeing of many regulars in the IRC and is always ready to listen and give advice when people are going through shitty times. His wording might be harsh sometimes, but he legit has some of the purest intentions in being that way. His sense of humour also frequently bypasses many people around here, hahaha.

Rivers has honestly worked really hard to improve the sense of community spirit in recent times. She's active on basically every area of the site. Comments, forums, writing entries, and coming up with ways to gather feedback on the site. IDK the qualifications for being promoted to Database or if you even need another one presently, but the next time you do need another Database I would recommend Rivers from a user perspective.

That's it for my irrelevant opinions and dicksucking for the time being.