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BrentD15 wrote:

I'm not making this a Catch-22. Flynn did.

He either lied to the FBI under oath, or he lied to the judge when he plead guilty (which are taken under oath, and the judge even asked if everything he's saying is true).

And lying to the FBI was the charge he plead down to, if he didn't want to go down over conspiracy to kidnapping or worse. As Judge Sullivan put it, he sold out his country.

You can recind the decision if a judge agrees that you made it due to the bad council of his later replaced defense attourney. Sullivan didnt agree but the court of appeals did.

As to the motivation, recent releases indicate it was not due to a guilty conscience but due to a desire to keep his son from being hounded by the FBI:

https://www.scribd.com/document/458160278/US-v-Flynn

Sullivan set himself up for this: by choosing to allow him a plea deal in the first place the prosecution didnt do the legwork to prove him guilty of anything and thus left them nothing solid to fall back on once that plea was recinded.

Judge sullivan can say what he likes, he hasnt got anything to prove his refusal to dismiss was anything other than being an activist judge.

Last edited Jun 26, 2020 at 12:03AM EDT

I think more attention needs to be paid to what's going on in Asia right now.
China is experiencing unprecedented heavy rains that have caused massive floods that some people have never seen before. Southern China is experiencing rains that have put tremendous strain on hundreds of thousands of people. One particular image – the floods becoming a waterfall pouring out of the city is haunting. The Guizhou Province, and surrounding areas are hit extremely hard. But the biggest, most worrying problem is that there is growing fear that the Three Gorges Dam – one of the largest dams in the world, is about to collapse the dam was built to control the floods that the Yangtze river, but has consistently been criticized by outside experts as poorly made. The Chinese state authority has been very eager to censor any criticism of it's poor quality. The dam has experienced severe warping – something the Chinese state media denies over and over again. If it collapses this could spell disaster that is unprecedented for millions of people living downriver.

Simultaneously, China has been doing it's best to hide the fact that there is growing reports of a major 2nd COVID outbreak. With 7 of the top Communist officials missing from public view – and military hospitals kept under incredible censorship from releasing any information. The government is eager to bury any kind of rumors about a 2nd wave, but it seems growing body of evidence from leaks show that there is something horrible brewing.

On top of all this, more problems are arriving in it's recent border skirmishes with India. China is reported to be sending thousands of troops to the border – and recent India news have been reporting that the soldiers involved in the recent skirmishes are "new faces" in the conflict. Suspicion is that these are not CCP soldiers, but actually special forces that have suffered tremendous losses – which further encourages the central party to hid the actual casualty numbers.

Chinese authorities have been desperately trying to take the eye off their own domestic turmoil across the world's news, and focus almost entirely on US problems with recent riots and protests. Chinese news media have been exclusively focused on US domestic turmoil as a way to focus away from their own internal problems.

2020 is one hell of a year.

Wouldnt be the first time there were major chinese dam bursts, the last major one in banqiao kiled a couple hundred thousand and displaced 10 million and that was only the third worst china suffered since 1887.

Last edited Jun 26, 2020 at 05:07AM EDT

Greyblades wrote:

You can recind the decision if a judge agrees that you made it due to the bad council of his later replaced defense attourney. Sullivan didnt agree but the court of appeals did.

As to the motivation, recent releases indicate it was not due to a guilty conscience but due to a desire to keep his son from being hounded by the FBI:

https://www.scribd.com/document/458160278/US-v-Flynn

Sullivan set himself up for this: by choosing to allow him a plea deal in the first place the prosecution didnt do the legwork to prove him guilty of anything and thus left them nothing solid to fall back on once that plea was recinded.

Judge sullivan can say what he likes, he hasnt got anything to prove his refusal to dismiss was anything other than being an activist judge.

Okay, I can tell you drank the Qool-Aid.

Flynn still lied to the Judge when he said he plead guilty. That's PERJURY!

And the whole thing about Flynn's son was the conspiracy to kidnapping that Turkish cleric Gulen for Erdogan, where millions of dollars were being offered.

The prosecution didn't need to prove anything if the defendant accepted the guilty plea, the plea he was convicted on and was to be sentenced over. You're still speaking like he was going to go on trial when no trial was scheduled, so you know nothing about how our legal system works.

Also, having Qanon boosters cherry-pick details to fit their narrative when you don't know better isn't a good look for you.


Pedo Ring busted.

Last edited Jun 26, 2020 at 08:40AM EDT

The irony of you of all people accusing anyone of drinking the koolaid is so staggering even Alanis Morissette couldnt misidentify it.

Last edited Jun 26, 2020 at 11:35AM EDT

Greyblades wrote:

The irony of you of all people accusing anyone of drinking the koolaid is so staggering even Alanis Morissette couldnt misidentify it.

My point still stands:
Either Flynn lied to the judge about lying to the FBI, and that suddenly makes everything okay and nothing else needs to happen to him, or he's lying now about somehow being coerced into admitting he lied.

"Okay, I can tell you drank the Qool-Aid" says the guy who constantly parroted the neolib talking point that Russia hacked the 2016 election and made Trump president without considering the fact that maybe Hillary lost because populism isn't a disease and it's actually popular, especially in states hurt by free trade(something Hillary supports) like Michigan and Pennsylvania.

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

"Okay, I can tell you drank the Qool-Aid" says the guy who constantly parroted the neolib talking point that Russia hacked the 2016 election and made Trump president without considering the fact that maybe Hillary lost because populism isn't a disease and it's actually popular, especially in states hurt by free trade(something Hillary supports) like Michigan and Pennsylvania.

A hit dog hollars, Pat.

poochyena wrote:

Just a reminder that you can place some blame on chewybunny for the rise of cases and deaths of coronavirus

He believes that the 123,000, and growing, deaths are an acceptable number since trying to limit deaths might inconvenience him.

Ah yes, my criticism of the poor handling of the entire situation by our institutions, and the knee-jerk condemnation about any level of criticism towards these institutions means that 123,000+ deaths is acceptable because I am """"inconvenienced"""". The central theme of all my ranting about COVID and the entire focus of arbitrary implementation of regulations. Incoherent policy making. Over politicization of the problem. Which by the way a NY Federal Judge agrees with my position specifically pointing out the hypocrisy and arbitrary policy making of Gov. Andrew Cuomo preferential treatment of protests and graduations over those of religious institutions. I have been consistent in my multi-faceted criticism of how this entire thing has been handled, IS being handled to this day. Hell yeah I went outside and I went hiking – defying the stupid governor order. But guess what. I kept my social distancing, and I wore a mask. Yesterday I went to my MA class that was held outside in a park and we were all in gloves and masks, and we cleaned up the dummies after every use. I have an elderly person I take care of on weekends hell yeah I am going to take precautions. That doesn't mean I am going to obey every single arbitrary stupid positions that the mayor of LA or our ridiculously stupid governor is going to position. Hell yeah I am going to champion defying arbitrary rules preferential treatment because it only tells me how utterly incompetent they are.
Bro. I respect you. A lot actually, even when disagree.
But in this case.
Fuck off.

Last edited Jun 26, 2020 at 08:00PM EDT

New york currently has one of the lowest numbers of new daily cases, while 5 states hit a new daily record today and 6 others are seeing a record 7 day average in new cases.
You insisted the lock downs weren't worth it, and now in states where lock downs are gone, new cases are reaching record highs.
The experts were right. You were not.

poochyena wrote:

New york currently has one of the lowest numbers of new daily cases, while 5 states hit a new daily record today and 6 others are seeing a record 7 day average in new cases.
You insisted the lock downs weren't worth it, and now in states where lock downs are gone, new cases are reaching record highs.
The experts were right. You were not.

I insisted that the lock downs were poorly implemented. I insisted that arbitrary and universal lock downs were largely unnecessary, and I insisted that lock downs should have been primarily done in places where there was hotspots of the virus. I insisted and will insist that the cost of the poor handling of the lockdowns was far worse to the economy than if they handled it better. My point has always been the total incompetence and poor application of lock down orders. I don't find 120k+ deaths acceptable. I find it reprehensible that we are still not putting our institutions into any level of accountability. We haven't even seen the aftermath of what is to come after all these lock downs are over and the various government protections for people are lifted.

poochyena wrote:

Just a reminder that you can place some blame on chewybunny for the rise of cases and deaths of coronavirus

He believes that the 123,000, and growing, deaths are an acceptable number since trying to limit deaths might inconvenience him.

Love how he talks about all the public information failures, then doesn't say a peep about how Trump downplayed the virus every chance he could for months, among other things

Chewybunny wrote:

I insisted that the lock downs were poorly implemented. I insisted that arbitrary and universal lock downs were largely unnecessary, and I insisted that lock downs should have been primarily done in places where there was hotspots of the virus. I insisted and will insist that the cost of the poor handling of the lockdowns was far worse to the economy than if they handled it better. My point has always been the total incompetence and poor application of lock down orders. I don't find 120k+ deaths acceptable. I find it reprehensible that we are still not putting our institutions into any level of accountability. We haven't even seen the aftermath of what is to come after all these lock downs are over and the various government protections for people are lifted.

>I insisted that arbitrary and universal lock downs were largely unnecessary

yes, thats the point. Now that lock downs ended, the cases have started going back up. Its clear the lock downs were needed and if we took it more seriously, we might not be having a 2nd wave right now.
Your insistence that less should be done is costing peoples lives.

Master Pain wrote:

Love how he talks about all the public information failures, then doesn't say a peep about how Trump downplayed the virus every chance he could for months, among other things

Actually that peep was me constantly bitching about the failures of the political class as well – which last time I checked Trump was part. And specifically, I already addressed that here

After I made a lenghty post about the WHO BrentD15 asked me:

"But does all of this absolve Trump of the COVID-19 outbreak in the United States, and his anemic response to it?"

To which I responded:

"Absolutely not. There has been a systemic failure of how to handle this across the board, as I have argued before. This virus was politicized on day one."

But I am going to expand on that since there is some sort of weird assumption that somehow or other I am absolving Trump of any responsibility.

In January when the first reports of the COVID virus was starting to come in Trump downplayed it because the US and China were about to sign a partial trade deal that would radically reduce the current trade war. Trump, at the time, was also going through an impeachment proceedings and needed every positive news he could get to make it politically untenable for the Democrats to continue the proceedings. After the deals were signed and the growing threat of the virus became increasingly clear we instituted a travel ban on January 31st 2020. The Democrats protested, and criticized it. Which by the way the WHO also criticized “[W]e reiterate our call to all countries not to impose restrictions inconsistent with the International Health Regulations such restrictions can have the effect of increasing fear and stigma, with little public health benefit. So far, 22 countries have reported such restrictions to WHO. Where such measures have been implemented, we urge that they are short in duration, proportionate to the public health risks, and are reconsidered regularly as the situation evolves.” WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told its executive board. I covered my thorough criticism of the WHO as well (link above). Trump continued to play the political game – because this is election year and anything he does the democrats do the opposite. I have been pointing out that this has been politicized from day one. Our lives, our economic well being, our health, has been a political game of football for them. And Trump is a willing and avid participant in this game. Fuck him.

Trump not only has been ineffectual, but downright part of the political system that has been desperate to pin the blame on the opposition.

And in my opinion he and a huge chunk of our political class should be the first to line up under the guillotine. This year has restored my belief that public-hangings of crooked politicians should be revived. And I have no problem if the first person to meet the gallows would be Trump himself.

Last edited Jun 26, 2020 at 10:10PM EDT

poochyena wrote:

>I insisted that arbitrary and universal lock downs were largely unnecessary

yes, thats the point. Now that lock downs ended, the cases have started going back up. Its clear the lock downs were needed and if we took it more seriously, we might not be having a 2nd wave right now.
Your insistence that less should be done is costing peoples lives.

Yes the cases have been going up – but not deaths. Hmmmmmm Let's think about that.
Why would there be a lot of cases suddenly going up but deaths still going down? Well let's just mozy on over to the New York Times and take a gander. Well, just as I pointed out before, counties with low amount of cases and deaths – largely rural and sub-rural areas remain virtually the same – where as major urban areas are going up. New York, and surrounding states still overwhelmingly lead in deaths per capita. The elderly and vulnerable still lead in cases that lead to death. The biggest spikes happen to be in places like Georgia and Florida – why is that? Could it be that New Yorkers have been leaving New York in droves and heading straight to Florida carrying with them the disease?

Seems like. But there is something even bigger a foot here! What demographic is having the higher growth in cases? Well reports from major areas seem to be point in a particularly interesting direction. In San Diego and in Ohio and in California in general the largest growth of infections are coming from ages 18-44. The CDC is also verifying that the largest number of cases (cases not deaths) are among young people.

But what we've known from the beginning – and as I pointed out before – the virus is deadly primarily to people who are elderly.

So here's what I am deducing from the information. The biggest increase in cases across the various states has been primarily younger people, which makes sense as cases are growing but deaths are going down. But why would young people suddenly have massive spikes in cases – what is it that has been keeping young people so susceptible to getting infected in the month of June? What's been causing them to come into close contact with other people without wearing masks, and having no authoritative institution stopping them in the name of medicine?HMMM….

So I am going to re-iterate.
Across the board universal lock-downs are unnecessary for the most part because the fear isn't infection, but deaths. Deaths come from vulnerable people and they should have been strictly quarantined. Rural and sub-rural areas remain the lowest impacted areas in terms of infections and deaths, while highly populous urban centers are the most likely to get hit. That hasn't changed. I laid out the case before. Symptons from the virus could range from a mild flu to more extreme, but deaths have been primarily in vulnerable populations – primarily, the elderly.

And the fact that local urban governments have been effectively giving protests preferential treatments while businesses, churches, even basic gatherings, are prohibited? The fact that you have doctors and medical institutions outright saying that protests trump the necessity for protecting yourself from COVID?

And you wonder why I am so utterly pissed off about how two-faced, hypocritical, and outright dangerously incompetent our institutions are when it comes to dealing with this issue? Please.

Last edited Jun 26, 2020 at 10:51PM EDT

>Why would there be a lot of cases suddenly going up but deaths still going down?

Because it normally takes over 2 weeks for people to die from the virus from the time they get it. Its only been about 1 or 2 weeks since cases starting to rise back up.
so the entire premise of the rest of what you wrote is moot.

Master Pain wrote:

Love how he talks about all the public information failures, then doesn't say a peep about how Trump downplayed the virus every chance he could for months, among other things

And then there's all the governor's compliant with Trump's wishes to downplay the virus, and even withhold testing data.

Chewybunny wrote:

Yes the cases have been going up – but not deaths. Hmmmmmm Let's think about that.
Why would there be a lot of cases suddenly going up but deaths still going down? Well let's just mozy on over to the New York Times and take a gander. Well, just as I pointed out before, counties with low amount of cases and deaths – largely rural and sub-rural areas remain virtually the same – where as major urban areas are going up. New York, and surrounding states still overwhelmingly lead in deaths per capita. The elderly and vulnerable still lead in cases that lead to death. The biggest spikes happen to be in places like Georgia and Florida – why is that? Could it be that New Yorkers have been leaving New York in droves and heading straight to Florida carrying with them the disease?

Seems like. But there is something even bigger a foot here! What demographic is having the higher growth in cases? Well reports from major areas seem to be point in a particularly interesting direction. In San Diego and in Ohio and in California in general the largest growth of infections are coming from ages 18-44. The CDC is also verifying that the largest number of cases (cases not deaths) are among young people.

But what we've known from the beginning – and as I pointed out before – the virus is deadly primarily to people who are elderly.

So here's what I am deducing from the information. The biggest increase in cases across the various states has been primarily younger people, which makes sense as cases are growing but deaths are going down. But why would young people suddenly have massive spikes in cases – what is it that has been keeping young people so susceptible to getting infected in the month of June? What's been causing them to come into close contact with other people without wearing masks, and having no authoritative institution stopping them in the name of medicine?HMMM….

So I am going to re-iterate.
Across the board universal lock-downs are unnecessary for the most part because the fear isn't infection, but deaths. Deaths come from vulnerable people and they should have been strictly quarantined. Rural and sub-rural areas remain the lowest impacted areas in terms of infections and deaths, while highly populous urban centers are the most likely to get hit. That hasn't changed. I laid out the case before. Symptons from the virus could range from a mild flu to more extreme, but deaths have been primarily in vulnerable populations – primarily, the elderly.

And the fact that local urban governments have been effectively giving protests preferential treatments while businesses, churches, even basic gatherings, are prohibited? The fact that you have doctors and medical institutions outright saying that protests trump the necessity for protecting yourself from COVID?

And you wonder why I am so utterly pissed off about how two-faced, hypocritical, and outright dangerously incompetent our institutions are when it comes to dealing with this issue? Please.

So your solution is to let people catch the disease because they won't die? Seriously? Sweden tried this and look how that genius idea turned out.

Last edited Jun 27, 2020 at 10:43AM EDT

BrentD15 wrote:

And then there's all the governor's compliant with Trump's wishes to downplay the virus, and even withhold testing data.

Which is absurd, and they should be absolutely held accountable for that. It's despicable that our political class is playing a game of football with this pandemic.

Chewybunny wrote:

Which is absurd, and they should be absolutely held accountable for that. It's despicable that our political class is playing a game of football with this pandemic.

Also, the number of deaths caused by coronavirus in the US is now several hundred times bigger than the amount of deaths caused by US mass shootings in 2020.

Penis Miller wrote:

With McGrath's victory in the Kentucky Democrat primary I'd like to take a moment to congratulate McConnell on his upcoming re-election.

Considering Kentucky is a hardcore Red state, I doubt that Booker would've had a chance at winning.
In fact, I bet he had the better chance at losing than McGrath does right now.

Let me guess, another "mistake"

poochyena wrote:

Let me guess, another "mistake"

It gets better; look at the top response to that tweet

These people should reach for thier country.

Last edited Jul 01, 2020 at 04:51PM EDT

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

What do you suggest we do?

Formally support the protestors and impose extremely harsh trade restrictions that would take a majority of US manufacturing out of china over the course of a few years.
Its nice they are doing something but I don't think its enough. We need to stop with the "plz stop committing human rights violations mr.china pls. Heres a $5 fine uwu"
They need to be crushed financially. No more support from the US and US companies.

we as in individuals can write to our local politicians and demand they take action. Its worth doing, I did it, but its sadly all we can really do ourselves.

Last edited Jul 02, 2020 at 11:09PM EDT

poochyena wrote:

Formally support the protestors and impose extremely harsh trade restrictions that would take a majority of US manufacturing out of china over the course of a few years.
Its nice they are doing something but I don't think its enough. We need to stop with the "plz stop committing human rights violations mr.china pls. Heres a $5 fine uwu"
They need to be crushed financially. No more support from the US and US companies.

we as in individuals can write to our local politicians and demand they take action. Its worth doing, I did it, but its sadly all we can really do ourselves.

Hear hear!!

poochyena wrote:

Formally support the protestors and impose extremely harsh trade restrictions that would take a majority of US manufacturing out of china over the course of a few years.
Its nice they are doing something but I don't think its enough. We need to stop with the "plz stop committing human rights violations mr.china pls. Heres a $5 fine uwu"
They need to be crushed financially. No more support from the US and US companies.

we as in individuals can write to our local politicians and demand they take action. Its worth doing, I did it, but its sadly all we can really do ourselves.

Absolutely this

Are you surprised? He only does things so people will pay attention to him and all he had to do was say he's running for president. The average American doesn't pay attention to a candidates FEC filing and he knows that.

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

Are you surprised? He only does things so people will pay attention to him and all he had to do was say he's running for president. The average American doesn't pay attention to a candidates FEC filing and he knows that.

He's no different than Trump.
A narcissist begging for attention.

But then again, most people don't know that he can't run…

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

To be fair to Trump, he still has a grasp on how to politics. Kanye thinks all you have to do is say you're running for president and then you win.

Yes, the "divide and conquer" school of authoritarian politics.

BrentD15 wrote:

Greyblades said:

Insert "i learned it from watching you" meme, with trump as kid and mafia as dad, here.

FTFY

I am suprised it would be you comparing Trump to JFK.

BrentD15 wrote:

Greyblades said:

Insert "i learned it from watching you" meme, with trump as kid and mafia as dad, here.

FTFY

I would’ve expected you to be the last person to call the DNC a mafia. Well it’s good to know that we agree on something.

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