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Seen here.

Basically…

Using a combination of clearly biased organizations and machine learning, they want to hide the videos that are labeled as "extremist" and promote "hate speech", whatever this means.

They reference the Jigsaw redirect method which is being rolled out to fight ISIS' online recruitment tactics. It's an interesting concept but it's also the very definition of social engineering and given YouTube's track record (particularly its clumsy attempts to demonetize controversial content) there's probably good reason to suspect that it may be abused.

The thing I'm worried about is the part where they explain how flagged videos will be treated more strictly than the un-flagged ones. The reason being that flagging videos, from what I can tell, is a rare occurrence on the site as a whole (copyright claims aside) and when flagging does happen, it's rarely for good reason.

If Youtube's new policies do its job efficiently with combating actual terrorism, then that's entirely fine. However, I also think Youtube shouldn't be distracted from said terrorist activity due solely because of innocent users' "controversial content" and "hate speech", as such content labels are vague and could mean whatever Youtube wants them to mean.

As if people didn't suffer from false flagging before?

"We’ll soon be applying tougher treatment to videos that aren’t illegal but have been flagged by users as potential violations of our policies on hate speech and violent extremism"

In other words, a specific video (or creator) can be guilty until proven innocent. It stinks. These changes not only will be abused, but they were meant to be abused. This is nothing but Orwellian 1984 – grade censorship/brainwashing bullshit.

I honestly feel bad for the content creators who started their careers when Youtube wasn't in such a state who are now stuck and have to worry about shit like this.

I know this looks like YouTube is trying to shove their political agendas up our asses, but I somewhat believe they’re trying to do something very fishy which is leaving me skeptical as of now. My Conspiracy Theory is that YouTube posted this video as a social experiment to observe people reactions and behavior so they could possibly implement an AI to delete “hateful” comments or even auto-ban anyone for “Hate Speech” similar to Candid’s.

It's fucking happening and I was almost right… Boy,

What Youtube and Google as a whole seem to fail to realize is that they can't keep up pissing off their userbase forever. I mean at one point content creators will realize that all the bother in making even a simple video that stays up for more than 5 minutes before being flagged and deleted will not be worth the effort and effectively give up and leave. If they don't get their account terminated for "hate speech."

What Youtube doesn't seem to realize is that if these people leave, so will their viewers that watch them. This process probably won't be fast, but Youtube will eventually noticed a gradual decline in the amount of people that use the site (since people's favorite channels are gone, why are they going to stay?).

Reportedly, Youtube is already on a razor's edge as it is when it comes to making a profit, with only barely making over breaking even. If a gradual decline of users happens, I fairly sure that that might lead to Google just terminating the venture altogether to save money.

So at this point I'm not really that mad. If anything I'm happy because this move will only further piss off those content creators and give them more reason to leave, which will set this process in motion.

At this point I believe Youtube can't be "saved," it can only be killed and replaced with something better. If any of you are in support of this, I wouldn't judge you for using an Adblocker on Youtube.

Wish mass content transfer from one site to another would be easier.

Yeah it's pretty bad. I mean it's a private company they can do what they want with their website but to me it just looks like thye want to be the thought police.

I was going to say that Youtube has a monopoly in video hosting, but that isn't quite as true anymore, as popular sites such as Facebook and twitter now have their own different type of video formats, and more gaming channels are streaming on twitch.tv nowadays. (Feel free to give more examples of video hosts I didn't mention.)

There's less of a reason to watch Youtube now then there was in, say, 2009. Now that Google's biggest competitors directly compete with YT, and that many of Youtube's big personalities already use such services, your scenario would happen.

Well to bring up Mare's statement, from the perspective of an ISIS fighter who's also tech savvy can easily play the system with some effort such as creating a secret/separate link in the description or channel description. That being said Youtube's track record for trying to cut down on content thats deemed offensive may be played as well. In todays culture of going after people with differing opinions (see Phily D, Sargon, Rags, Bearing, etc as examples of people tackling differing opinions and ending up being attacked for said opinion) this will end up being played more towards the hands of the PC culture on Youtube. I normally have hopes that Google and Youtube know what they're doing but seeing how they choked and dropped the ball on multiple occasions similar to this one only makes it more likely for them to fail at this concept and execution alone.

In todays culture of going after people with differing opinions (see Phily D, Sargon, Rags, Bearing, etc as examples of people tackling differing opinions and ending up being attacked for said opinion) this will end up being played more towards the hands of the PC culture on Youtube.

If Youtube moves at least some of their focus away from PC culture and towards fighting ISIS, then they will stand more of a chance against defeating ISIS.

#YoutubeIsOverPaty

One thing I'd like to suggest to you all is if this becomes a very bad thing, I suggest you all back up the videos of those you follow who could be considered to have "hateful" opinions, like Sargon or Mister Metokur. Actually, just save your favorite Youtuber's videos in general because anyone can really be liable to get hit by this.

What would be the best way to archive videos (including annotations, description, etc.) that would let them last indefinitely?

I'm not really too sure on that. All I did was just download the videos. That way they're independent of any site to host them. And you can then reupload them as mirrors when you want.

People can, and have, archived entire web pages, so I was thinking if it would also be possible for Youtube videos (along with the other features the vids utilize) to be archived, and independently hosted.