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@Clownfish
There's no scientific evidence of porn in of itself damaging a person, a person's brain, a person's behavior or such.

Go to the link I have provided in the earlier long post. Shitload of neurological reserach went to it and found plenty of evidences of brain damage, linked reward circuitry to behavioural patterns, increased dopamine tolerance can be seen in brain scan, etc.

I'd have to say porn addiction =/= viewing/liking porn.

Porn isn't anything unique compared to something like overusing sites like facebook or other social media, being glued to your smartphone or an online video game, gambling (like opening lootcrates), or using drugs or alcohol. All of them are addictive and can dangerously affect someone's mind, body, and/or social life.

Summarized beautifully well on Kurzgesagt's most popular video.

Screw the timestamp if you never seen this video. Everyone should watch the whole thing at least once.

@RedNine
If you said porn addiction =/= try going a month or three without it and fapping. See if you crave it badly or not.

Porn is dangerous because of the neurochemical involved and psychological addiction. Are any of those activities you have presented gives the "feel good" physiological sensation as strong as porn as you are overloaded with pleasure and brain caking in dopamine? And does not come with the drawbacks like hangover, loss of money, non convenient of having to go out and find it? Drugs are addicting in same vein as porn, the overflow of dopamine. Build tolerance to it for the brain, seeking stronger dose each time you reached the new high. Ring warning signs yet?

Thousands of people are giving up porn, thousands broke free and are visibly better person than they were before. Those are people like you and me. Lots of people are addicted, most do not know it. That is why nofap is difficult, breaking the habit; herculean.

"If you said porn addiction =/= try going a month or three without it and fapping. See if you crave it badly or not."

I tried it. Not much changed besides me getting horny all the time instead of only a couple of times a day.

Watched the youtube vid, @RedNine. Did not watch it earlier because I was outside. Half correct.

Yes, we should go out in real life, have close friends, these things keep us from seeking out addictive to pass time or drown our sorrow with; and not throwing the addicts into worse situations. But we are not always in bad situation like those isolated rats or in a jungle fighting a war; and then suddenly the existence of bad addictive things is not justifiable any more.

I have already said my piece way back earlier that it is becoming hyper-sexualised and I am disgusted what it has become and what it is becoming and a lot of you agreed that it is becoming hyper-sexualised. Whether it is good or bad thing, a debate and a fight for another time and place altogether. I should drop it long ago.

So I am just going to drop this and move on from this topic altogether. There are arguments on both sides. I hope you do follow it at least for the sake of doing it and understanding it, not just for the sake of replying or "winning".

https://www.yourbrainonporn.com

This topic is trending and getting a nice number of views and attention because of the substance being brought here. It's more about people reading these arguments than having ones way.

Before this thread I haven't thought or talked about this topic at all.

People liking mainstream R34 does not mean their lives are revolving around it nor is it negatively affecting them.
Example, animations by minus8 on youtube like the sheep and pacman ghost one, that aren't even posted by minus8 himself, are getting crazy attention. They're getting around 500k plus views easily, some in the millions, and they're all very sexualized, especially the ones not on youtube. I don't immediately think everyone watching them or giving them a like is going to be immanently negatively effected by it and start having their life slowly start to spiral around everything sexual.

In regards to all that was said about the neurological porn studies: Yeah I believe it.

In regards to being overly hyper sexual, where does the final line get drawn?
I'd say where every final line gets drawn.
When it's at the cost of harassing hurting or attacking someone.
When it's in no way an appropriate place to post it.
When they know in advance it's spam.
When they know in advance it's going to receive a shit ton of downvotes.
When they know every comment is going to be "Stop posting this shit here!"
Not when it makes a few people uncomfortable.
Not when a few people find it annoying
Not when a few people find it offensive.
Not when a few people find it inappropriate.

I really really really-really mean it when I say I'm not defending just porn and against all those that defy its holyness, even though I'm probably going to look back at this and see it as such. I'm completely against censorship. I'm completely against the claim sexualized artwork, animated gifs, or videos are a large factor in causing people to do horrible things in the real world. And I'm completely against the idea that R34 artist are like the guys portrayed in those drug PSA they show you at school who hides in an alleyway saying, "Hey kid, wanna buy some drugs? It'll make you feel good, all the cool kids do it."

Imma rephrase what I said earlier:
Liking something =/= addicted to something

And it's not like all this time I'm someone who worships and bows before r34 artist.
(gif I posted in >Shadman)

^ Yep. doesn't make me a little bit bias at all.

@RedNine
I know people do not worship porn as a religion (though I see some few people vehemently defend porn with religion-like zeal other place other time I have this conversation). I understand that you are against daemonising it as a source of everything bad like rape and child abuse.

I am against pornography because the harmful subtle effects that escape most peoples notice and I do not want to it spread anywhere, not just the geek culture.

I am against it because I believe the effect is subtle and slow, and not a one huge shock like drugs. A slow working poison.

I know R34 artists are not some daemons, just people drawing, some for passion, some for money, many for both regardless of whether they know the effects of it or not.

I am fine with some risqué done tastefully.

I know people will not stop unless they want to stop and banning porn will make you literally Hitler for many people. I will just say to people the effects of it and see if they want to stop. Alcoholic and heavy smokers know it is bad, not like it will stop them.

I am against it because I believe it is distasteful for blatantly sexualised contents to be everywhere and acceptable regardless of appropriateness because of the money and too-horny-to-keep-it-down people (about porn/raunchy anime t-shirt wearing waifu humping pillow in public tier people). Enough people associated anime/geek culture with those pillocks and awful contents already. This is the final line that should not be crossed.

>I am against it because I believe it is distasteful for blatantly sexualised contents to be everywhere and acceptable regardless of appropriateness because of the money and too-horny-to-keep-it-down people (about porn/raunchy anime t-shirt wearing waifu humping pillow in public tier people). Enough people associated anime/geek culture with those pillocks and awful contents already. This is the final line that should not be crossed.

I can agree with this part.

I'm going to be a little rude here, but in order to reverse the trend of how sexualized geek culture is getting you would have to convince people to stop looking at porn… So far nobody here has done a good job at it.

No need to, people are already doing it themselves. Maybe not here yet, but loads of people joining nofap movement still increases because they realised the effects porn have on them.

No one can change the others mind, except they change it themselves. In order words, I just drop some info and let people be the judge of that yourselves whether they still want to do it or not.

A little more moderation never hurts.

Getting someone to stop obsessing over porn? I'll take another snip from Kurzgesagt’s video on addiction.

Becoming less isolated and finding other things to occupy your time instead of resorting to something like pornography for a sense of relief.

But most of this thread isn't mainly around addiction than it is about how everything is way over sexualized.

An entire group of idiots claimed one of Tracer's poses was too exposing and demanded Blizzard to change it. In the end it was barley changed at all, so it took all that effort to slightly change that one pose, of that one character, from that one game. Even if they did change that pose and every pose in that game that was seen as too sexy, it wouldn't make the slightest dent in all the sexulized fanmade artwork, gifs, videos, flash animation, 3d animation, games, erotic fanfiction that's been made based around Overwatch.

In the end there aint anything you could do.

The best bet is to give every kid anti hormone development pills which would cut out 1/10th of the most common things somone could get addicted to.

I came too see what the people thought the next trend to be ruined by companies would be.

Instead I got a argument over the negative effects of pornography with some legitimately concerning points.

@R9
Or just explain the effects of it in detail and provide evidences and let people think for themselves whether they want to continue or not. The whole reason I argued all this time all the way is to repel the misunderstanding that porn does no harm. If people get it, then I am fine. Thanks for pulling the original topic back.

About industry becoming over-sexualised. I agree with some people getting too jumpy about slight risqué like Tracer arses shenanigans.

What concerns me is the zeal of the R34 communities and wild running fantasies of the certain audiences which fuels this trend of R34 contents becoming widespread enough that mainstream contents are starting to follow it and might normalise it.

Let us drop this porn affair together and move on. I will present a new topic. Namely, video game engines.

Nowadays, shitload of video games shares many resemblances and look kind of the same due to lots of games sharing a famous patented engine such as Unreal and Unity to the gamers complaints about them being cookie cutter as hell. Do you think with the seemingly rebirth of A and AA scale games. Will the video game industry return to the custom engines tenderly and lovingly handmade for each few games or series, or the trend of borrowing a staple tech of the industries will keep going?

@Clownfish
"Will the video game industry return to the custom engines tenderly and lovingly handmade for each few games or series"
No

Simply put:
With how advanced technology is getting there's no need to. The whole reason why consoles and such were invented was to optimize performance for cheap. The whole reason for different video game engines was to squeeze out as much performance for the game.

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That's actually something that has a lot of video game companies worried. Once we hit 8k resolution there's barely a reason to go to 12k resolution, cause that's to the point where most people wouldn't be able to see major differences. To put it another way: with 8k gaming there's no technological reason for stuff like new gaming consoles (other than making cheaper versions), there will be a drastic decline in need to make newer game engines or game assets.

2027 game production,
"Well we need to make a 3d model of a trash can. Just use this old trash can model from 2020. It's old and all but unless you're looking close at it most people can't tell."

It has people both excited and scared. On the one hand you're talking about drastically cutting development costs for games and needing less time and work to make games. On the other hand you'd need drastically less people to make games cause you could use stuff from old games.

Simply put: whenever Final Fantasy 17 is made it will look a hell of a lot like Final Fantasy 16 (whenever they make it), because 17 would be built on top of 16.

I know I'm getting a little off topic here, but if you all aren't happy with how many porn games or such are being produced holy shit are you not going to be happy with what'll happen when we hit the ceiling of resolution in gaming.

You know how sometimes companies milk products by making small sequels that in of themselves use a lot of the same assets as the previous game thus drastically reducing cost? Like how Half-Life 2 episode 1 & episode 2 were built on top of Half-Life 2 or how Fallout New Vegas was built on top of Fallout 3? Same concept. Companies will eventually be able to forever make newer games that build on top of older games with low investment into making them.

Good side: you'd see shitty business practices like pay2win, lootboxes and such disappear entirely cause the cost of development would be drastically lower. Companies you like, and don't like, would be seeing record high profits year after year. A lot of dead game genres come back, because companies would be able to build more niche games off top of their more popular games.
Bad news: you'd see a lot of companies more or less adopt a uniform art style across their games so that older game assets from other games wouldn't look out of place or weird. Like you would be able to tell if a game was a Blizzard game from just the art style alone.
On the fence whether or not this is good or bad: you would see porn games explode popularity and profits wise. What they would do is make a small game that looks good, then future games would be built on top of that over time. Like in 2030 the big names porn game wise will offer as much content and as good as AAA gaming because they will have continuously built more and more into their games year after year and reusing all their old video game assets.

I personally wish for 90s era business practice comeback. Engine handmade each series and many small-medium devs makes their own instead of renting those patented engines because too many games look for uniform and similar.

A rise in small-medium dev would probably push things towards handmade because they have to control their budget and renting engine is expensive (not to mention Unity is clunky as hell). A large-mega dev would do rent the engine because it is cheaper (for them). Probably going to end up like that I think.

I wish that was the case. You know how anime has gotten a lot of "same face"? Slowly this is happening to most of the video game industry and their art styles.

As long as cookie cutter still sell and the audience still eating those shit without complaining it will keep continuing. That is why companies opted for "wider audience" so they can churn whatever they can at low cost and those new audience will keep eating it while replacing old audience and tell them to fuck off. Reason why many grognards hate "newfags" and "normalfags" with the fury of a thousand suns. The unknowing pawns that is a part of the reason contents got watered down.

There is no other option,

we must nuke japan, again.

"We must nuke the best part of the industry to save the industry"

THining about it a bit: Clownfish and a couple other posters made a damn good on the last page: when you get down to it it's easier to earn a living as a porn artist than a artist that draws pg stuff. Iv'e seen a lot of artists start out saying that they weren't going to draw porn eventually draw porn cause "I can earn more money drawing porn".

Another example is video game porn. With non-porn games the reason 90% of kickstarter games fail to deliver a working product is that they don't set reasonable goals; whereas porn games more and more they're making what you would expect from a $5 game. There's plenty of good $5 games, the reason why they're good is that they realize that trying to make a vast open world game with extreme graphics and amazing gameplay isn't realistic.