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@Dac: Like I said, I think having a healthy lifestyle is still very important. I will also agree that genetics definitely is not the reason for so many Americans being obese. I guess I was just rustled by how it seemed like you jumped to conclusions about the girl in the picture and also the way you described obesity as a "disease". That term being used seems too harsh for me. It's not like I think unhealthy lifestyles should be celebrated and encouraged, but I think the last thing you should do is berate a fat person for being fat because all that's going to do is cause them to want to get thin quicker and use those fad diets and harmful eating habits. I suppose my point is positive reinforcement is much better than negative reinforcement.

I'm a Communist. There are more Communists than I previously thought, but they're still few compared to other political parties.

The problem is that places like Russia and North Korea made it possible for Capitalist nations to very easily spread negative propaganda about Communism.

The thing is, North Korea, China, Russia, Cuba… They're not Communist.

They're socialist.

@Crimson

but I think the last thing you should do is berate a fat person for being fat

What should be included with this is that one should also not berate ripped people for being ripped and from what I gathered; that was the real thing Dac was worried about.

He showed an image where two people who clearly were working out and keeping healthy were viciously ripped into with tons of comments calling them ugly. Why? Should healthiness be discouraged?

The image below that showed people reinforcing a girl who had a little bit of extra mass but wasn't really obese. I don't see how that's a bad thing. It is good to reinforce and encourage people to not worry about being fat when they aren't that fat. I think that statement was probably beside the point.

But Condemning and criticizing people for having muscle? What? Is it bad to have a healthy lifestyle now? If people act like that all the time towards fit people, then it's no wonder that some exercisers get douchy "you're all jelly" attitudes.

@Sting

The thing is, North Korea, China, Russia, Cuba… They’re not Communist.
They’re socialist.

Ooooh so they are socialist now? Because socialism is the new communism now isn't it?

Things brings up another fringe belief of mine: I think socialism is misunderstood and people, especially those in the states, would do well to research it and not get all their idea's from Fox News

North Korea and China are terrible examples of socialism. Their governments robs wealth from their people and inject it directly into to themselves without actually using that wealth to support other individuals that actually need it. North Korea especially does that; spending every last tax dollar on the Grorious Reader himself. That's not socialism. That's regular old fashioned totalitarianism

A better example of socialism is practiced in nations like UK, Europe, Australia and NZ where if you don't have a job or any money at all, the government can bail you out until you find a job by supporting you with a small trickle of money that comes from the taxpayer. This has been working pretty well so far. Were not fascist dictatorships yet.

So's the US.

Those socialist bastards, redistributing wealth through [gasp] taxes! [/gasp]

@BSOD

Exactly. I've been told the exact same shit over and over again and that's why I may have been a little harsh in my First post. My jimmies were rustled something fierce.

My fridge belief is that somewhere, somehow, everytime I put 3 sticks of butter in instead of the regular 2, my watermelon always tastes a lot worse than normally. I'm serious, and I don't know what is causing it, except… GHOSTS! Yes! My fridge belief is that ghosts don't like an odd number of butter in the fridge, so they taint my watermelon! Bastards…
…
On a serious note, I believe in ghosts. (but I still don't know what happens to my watermelon. XC)

BSoD wrote:

What should be included with this is that one should also not berate ripped people for being ripped and from what I gathered; that was the real thing Dac was worried about.

I noted in my first response to Dac that I thought the responses to the ripped couple were immature, uninformed, and overall unnecessarily mean. Those people in the photo were obviously perfectly healthy and yet commenters were accusing them of bulimia, so I can understand Dac's frustration there. It seemed to me he was focusing more on the chubby girl, but I guess that's why messages don't always come across well on the internet.

I wasn't meaning to imply that Socialism is evil or a bad system. Socialism is, as described in that link, the state ownership of the means of production, which is great assuming the state officials aren't dictators.

I worded what I said really, really badly, and I apologize for that. I was mostly trying to show that the 'MURRIKAN anti-communism agenda doesn't make sense because the "Communist" countries that they hate so much aren't actually Communist.

Socialism and Communism are both good systems, Socialism is just easier to abuse, for reasons including the chaos after revolution into the Socialist stage and because the government gets so much power. Communism is more stable and a harder to abuse (overall, some forms are obviously easier to abuse) because the means of production are communally owned.

I wouldn't consider the UK to be socialist, their means of production are still privately owned and operated (as far as I know) i.e. Capitalist. North Korea is Socialist, but it's a horrible example because it's also totalitarian.

Russia under Lenin's rule was a decent example of Socialism because they were really starting to come upwards in society after the overthrow of the Czars. Lenin was a great leader if you ask me. If only he hadn't died before he could finish his work, allowing Stalin to take power.

Trust me, in Britain (especially my area, in the north) Religion, let alone Christianity, is very little. It is there, sure, but it's still uncommon

And yet, London, the multicultural hub it exists to be, is clearly the complete opposite.

Hmm, I've heard that religion is just a keep-it-to-yourself thing in London. Today I learned.

@Sting

Thanks for clearing that up, that makes a little more sense.

I agree that socialism can be abused as much as communism. It depends on the leaders. But I'm wary of the rampant paranoia some people seem to have about it. As if one single socialist legislation can turn an entire 1st world democracy into George Orwells masturbation aid. I doubt a democratic nation where leadership abuse is far more moderated has much to fear from socialism. It's the dictatorships that need to worry.

Also I wasn't saying the UK was socialist (none of the countries I listed are), just that they do employ some socialist methods

Anyway I'm going of topic. Resume thread.

I don't know abut London, considering I don't live there, so I can't really speak for it. My area at least, and especially people of my age in the area, aren't religious. I was a little out of place in my last post talking about all of Britain.

This one is pretty fringe nowadays…

…I dislike artwork based on a subculture created with the intention of flaring up sexual drives.

I tend towards disagreeing with /r/atheism most of the time. And I can't stand /r/gaming.

Not sure how fringe those are, but they're all I could think of.

I've got a whopper for you guys:
I really don't find Fox news to be as corrupt and bad as people say it is.
Don't get me wrong, it is still extremely biased and has twisted stories to benefit themselves. But so has every other network news station on the air today. It really pisses me off that people only pay attention to how bad Fox News is, when the liberal news networks are just as bad if not worse. Hell, at least Fox News gets Democrats to be guests on their shows on a regular basis. I doubt that most people who bash Fox News have even watched it at all.

Not really

@jolly
I feel the same way. It's really not that bad.

It all depends on who your watching. It's only certain Fox News pundits that I mind. Everything else is fine in my book as well.

I dislike Fox News, but I know better than to mindlessly bash it because I disagree with the views projected by most of their programming. I also genuinely dislike several left-wing networks and news outlets.

All I can say about Fox news is that after they spread the moon landing conspiracy and got everyone in my school to believe that the landing was a total lie; I can never, ever forgive them

Lets just say that as a strong astronomy enthusiast, they hit a sensitive spot right there.

I don't have a problem if you still watch it (Otherwise I would have to hate my entire Republican family). They still produce news after all, but they will always be that news station that favors viewership over truth in my eyes

It doesn't help that they bashed Bronies either.

I think that believing the news you see on TV is now a fringe belief. And even watching TV news is a fringe…action, I guess heh

In what way will this thread be derailed next? What stupid and/or divisive subject shall see the light of day?

It doesn’t help that they bashed Bronies either.

To be fair, while one of Fox's shows had a segment that bashed bronies they also had another show (Redeye) do a segment about them that was actually pretty positive (as far as news doing segments on bronies go)

santa is real!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

Related: I think we'd all be a lot better off without alcohol.

But seriously. I'm a teetotaler. I think that most of the good you can get out of alcohol you can get from something else healthier. And what you can't get somewhere else doesn't really outweigh the harms of it.

I have a personal dislike of all recreational drugs, but alcohol is the one I end up disliking most, because people seem to be in love with the stuff. Like they can't get by without it. I'd say I find it sad, but it's actually a bit maddening.

This. I have had plenty of people in my life struggle with alcoholism, some of them still being in denial about it. Because of this both me and my brother plan on staying sober. I don't hold anything against the people who do still drink or do recreational drugs as long as they have the ability to do it all in moderation, but I personally would rather do without and think the world might be a little better without them.

Actually I am in total agreement with you, Verbose. Which is strange coming from me because I'm a raving alcoholic.

But the only reason why I drink is because my friends just absolutely love doing it with me and I have difficulty disappointing them

While my friends can't seem to go without it, I can. I don't drink for any other reason but them, so if they stopped drinking; I easily could as well. There's nothing I'll miss. I won't miss hangovers, bitter flavors, unhealthy chemicals and expensive price tags. I don't get anything from alcohol personally. It doesn't even quench thirst. Drinking just means my friends Glee marathons become more tolerable

Now you may then think "So BSOD, why won't you convince your friends to give up the drink?" Well I have tried before but they always slip back into it.

It seems they can't have fun any other way. Singing, dancing, games…they only have enough courage to do those things when drunk. But instead of being frustrated by that, I decided not to be confrontational and joined them. It's hard to fight common culture you see. And the culture around here is that the only way to have fun when you get past 20 is to be drunk.

My friends also smoke weed but I flat-out refuse to touch that crap. I'm able to resist weed but not alcohol because our culture doesn't require that as a necessary prerequisite to fun.

I'm saying all this so you know that even [some] drinkers are aware of how unnecessary it is. At least we do it responsibly