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Earnest.

Particle Mare: Ah, my apologies. I am still quite new here.

As for the possible fringe view, I admit that I am going off some of her quotes and her helping/sponsoring the 'war on women' narrative. Would have to give things another look-see.

Jarbox said:

Has that changed?

To my knowledge, no. As much as I'd love a more isolationist candidate, or one who doesn't espouse the "world police" philosophy, I don't think there'll ever really be one who can get elected. The GOP has tattooed "national defense" onto its forehead and won't be downsizing the wasteful and unnecessarily large defense budget anytime soon. I just have to settle for trying to protect civil liberties.

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…please send reasons my way why I shouldn’t be supporting him…

Liberal reasons:
>he's pro-gun, having voted against the Brady Act and voted for PLCAA, which banned lawsuits against gun manufacturers stemming from a gun's use
>he's viewed by some as being pro-Israel
>his immigration concerns are in line with those of the GOP
>he's doing poorly among minorities, a key Democratic constituancy
>he runs the risk of pulling a Nader

Conservative reasons:
>he's a self admitted "democratic socialist"
>he wants to tax stocks, increase the estate tax, and impose a 90% tax rate on the highest earners
>he would nominate liberal SCOTUS justices

Honestly, I'd be less upset if he won than if Clinton did.

What… I… what? It seems the perfect storm of the Trump factor and the race to get on the Fox debate stage has driven Mr. Cruz completely bonkers.

I utterly lost my shit when he started shooting and I realized what he was doing.

Twirl onward, Ted Cruz, twirl onward towards freedom.

@xtsgx

I'm actually fine with most of that stuff except the immigration and israel thing. I don't like very strict immigration and as for israel I'm indifferent on who deserves the land due to lack of proper information (and can you blame me? Even if you try to dig for good sources it's all emotionally charged propaganda) but am against him being pro because it means being world police which I do not like. Everything else I'm okay with or indifferent to. Hell if I saw a list of negatives of say Hilary or plenty of the Republicans it would probably really not go with what I think, and in politics you have to pick who's the least shit, and to me Sanders is the least shit I've seen in my life since he's great for social issues to me (like he's said he's for gay and trans stuff) and of course what he rails on the most: glorious infrastructure I feel the US needs a lot (and lots of countries actually)

One thing that really caught my eye though is the 90% tax on the wealthiest. Does that mean exactly what it looks like? I knew he was socialist but not that much. Please explain I'm kind of confused. If it's literally what it looks like there's no way he'd ever get it even close to passed. If he was voted in magically I could see taxes going up in general and on the wealthy but 90%? That's insanity.

@Slutty Sam
90% is not that insane actually.

Sorry that it's a cartoon, but the bars do accurately represent the upper tax rates by president.

>tfw Elizabeth Warren isn't running

Wall Street Journal/NBC poll shows Hillary Clinton losing ground with white women voters.

{ In June, 44% of white women had a favorable view of Mrs. Clinton, compared to 43% who didn’t. In July, those numbers moved in the wrong direction for Mrs. Clinton: Only 34% of white women saw her in a positive light, compared to 53% who had a negative impression of her, the poll found.

Among white women with at least a college degree, 51% had a positive view of Mrs. Clinton and 38% a negative as of June. In July, those numbers had turned to 43% positive and 47% negative. }

I remember the year 2012 US political compass where two of the several candidates that were closest to each other were Romney and Obama. How's the situation now?

And now:

The Bill of Rights? Repeal? The set of amendments that says we can say anything without getting locked up, aren't forced to house and feed soldiers, have a fair trial, and won't be subject to unnecessary punishments?

Is there a party where you're both anti-government AND anti-freedom?

Yeah, it's the party of "I haven't retained a goddamn thing from history class".

There's a non-Mark Dice video that was released recently of people coming out of the National Archive Building in DC aka where the original copy of the Bill of Rights is kept and they could not name three freedoms guaranteed in the First Amendment.

Eh… when you use the tactics that that guy does, you can get footage of people "agreeing" with anything. Especially when you have essentially unlimited chances. Don't get me wrong, there are legitimate morons, but just looking at that first woman I think "she didn't catch what he just said".

Exactly. This guy must've went to the Fox News School of Manipulative Candid Reporting.

What's going to happen to Biden since he has 0 chance of winning now? Will he run again?

Evilthing said:

And now:

To be fair, you could probably do that with any of the candidate's supporters. Those "sidewalk questionnaires" are usually incredibly cherrypicked. For every one of them in that video, there were probably twenty who went "What are you smoking? Of course not!"

Brings to mind those "Americans are stupid" compilations in which hundreds of people are interviewed until one or two are found who (for example) don't know what a triangle is. Great for a chuckle but absolutely worthless as evidence of anything other than the fact that stupid people exist, which is banal.

You have invigorated my support for Bernie Sanders I am okay with these things.

In regards to the pro-israel point, I read that article, and it sounded like if anything he's against Israel. I think they poorly labeled that article and I think Bernie Sander's responses were very rational.

In regards to the 90% tax rate, I completely agree with him, but wow he has some balls imposing a rate that high.

Please keep sending stuff me way if there are other reasons and thanks for what you posted. :D

WashPost is reporting that the FBI has opened a preliminary investigation into Hillary's emails.

yo Hillary. You might wanna quit while you're ahead…

FBI investigation of Hillary’s emails is ‘criminal probe’

{ Clinton’s camp has downplayed the inquiry as civil and fact-finding in nature. Clinton herself has said she is “confident” that she never knowingly sent or received anything that was classified.

The inspector general for the intelligence community has told Congress that of 40 Clinton emails randomly reviewed as a sample of her correspondence as secretary of state, four contained classified information. }

Word from pollsters is that the next set of polls will show 40% Democrat support for Biden to run.

I wonder if this will come up in the debates tonight?

ISIS executes 19 girls for refusing to have sex with fighters

{ They were put to death because they refused to 'participate in the practice of sexual jihad,' a spokesman for the Kurdish Democratic Party in Mosul told Iraqi News. }

21+ KYMers, plz drink/livepost the debate ITT with me tonight.

9PM EST everybody. Fox will be streaming it live on their website.

God Biden in my opinion is sort of the democratic Trump. He doesn't lie as much but he does and says a lot of dumb stuff he usually regrets later. Like the only reason anyone cared about him before was because he was on the same ticket as Obama. Could anyone give me some info on Biden's general policies and such? Not sure if he'd be better or worse than Hilary though, which is why I'd kind of like to know his goals. You don't gear much about Biden on the news when it comes to 2016 it's all about the Republican reps, Hilary, and a sprinkling of Sanders.

Wow wow suddenly Biden has a chance? Didn't see that one coming. Still though: Bernie Sanders 2016

Although I'm not that interested in the election right now, I will be watching the debate because my family has turned it into a thing. Steaks and ice cream will be involved.

How did you guys miss the whole week of WHAT WOULD BEAU DO??
That's his son that just died from brain cancer who apparently wanted Biden to run.

Biden is Obama's cheerleader, literally exactly the same.

I can do most of this, but I'm going to have to find a dealer to mimic the Rand Paul one.

The next town over from Reno just opened up our first medical dispensary, I've had my card since I moved here waiting for this moment …except the dispensary wont hook me up with a fat sack for looking cute, so I'm only gonna go there if my guy is out.

OOHHHH I forgot to put a note on one of the bingo square btw, if Rubio sips water mid-answer you have to sip your WATER not your drink!! & you should power wag whenever a candidate does just because it's fun. & maybe sing THE CIIRRRRCLE OF LIIIIIFE if someone brings up Cecil.

Here's a new piece about Trump that I found excellent, entitled "What if Trump Wins?"

{ Time and time again, in just a few weeks, his candidacy seems to have survived what we professional political observers all think are obviously fatal gaffes and flubs. Could this be the rare instance when politics is actually about to go haywire?

…..

The political “pay to play” culture had almost cost Gov. Gray Davis reelection a year earlier. (He’d won in part because he got to cherry pick his politically inept opponent.) But the requirements for a recall election were daunting; supporters had to collect well over a million signatures to ensure meeting the threshold.

Then, in May, Rep. Darrell Issa, one of the richest members of Congress and someone who harbored gubernatorial ambitions of his own, decided to put his own money--$1.7 million of it--behind the recall effort. With paid TV and radio ads and an army of paid signature gatherers, the recall election was slated for October. For voters aggrieved by economic woes, and fed up with the political movers and shakers, a weapon they barely knew existed had been placed in their hands. By overwhelming numbers, they voted Davis out and replaced him with Arnold Schwarzenegger--a candidate who symbolized in every conceivable way the rejection of the political class. }

Friendly reminder that there's no way in hell Trump could win after this video he posted:

Literally all you'd have to do is let everyone know that video exists and it's guaranteed Trump will never in a million years win the 2016 presidency. It would be absolutely ridiculous.

I meeeeean, everyone was pretty damn positive Ahhhnold would never be elected governor either, he ran as a Republican, called the California Democrats "girlie men", blocked illegal immigrants from getting drivers licenses, set the Supreme Court on the employee unions, and he won twice!

This debate is key if Trump wants to be taken seriously as a candidate.

I really hope Trump and Biden get the nomination just so we can see a debate between them.

This is already hilarious.
The crowd is so on board to play along.

ARE YOU JOKING!!
IS ANYONE WATCHING THIS

oh my god a Rosie O'Donnell joke.
god help us.

wow drink for "Megyn Kelly shoots Trump the evil eye" maybe drink twice…

Ben Carson is too meek to be on the stage with this many people.

Trump is already being jerkish. I love it already.

I'm not gonna say much more until it's over, but let me just say I am loving this already. Watching politicians is fun.

Ya gotta comment, that's the whole fun of it!

He thinks he can do it dude. Did you see him when the crowd responded after his answer? We'll see how the next round goes.

LET IT BE KNOWN: Kasich is the first to invoke the name of Reagan.

They are blatantly attacking the guy now, they would never address any of the other candidates like this.

Megyn Kelly is so angry.

If this thread is supposed to go until the elections there are going to be lots of pages flooded from lots of debates.

That's why I'm editing my posts tho, I'm not going to post for every new thing someone says, especially when they each only have a minute.

Most people don't pay attention to the primaries in general, I thought Trump would pull in one or two more but eh. We're the outliers.

ooohh Christie spanked Rand Paul on that one.
edit: I'm talking about the hug thing not the NSA data collecting thing.

You notice how absolutely nobody cheered for Jeb when he said we should focus on our Persian Gulf allies?? There is nobody in this country who trusts any of them for a second. They're only hiding behind us while Iran/Syria/ISIS remains a threat.

ahh damn I hate when Huckabee makes sense.

I'll comment a little, then. Just don't wanna flood this with talk about this one debate.

Kasich made a good first impression there. I didn't know squat about him, but he gave a response that I really liked.
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Can't believe we're the only ones here. I thought this site was as irrationally interested in politics as I am.
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Chris Christie just lost my favor. I am totally against the NSA's collection. Nearly anybody could be framed for something – innocent people go to death row scarily often. Also, political buuuurn. (So was I, the hugging thing.)
My dog keeps thinking the ding-ding is a doorbell.
Carson made two good points in a row. Good job. Still don't want him as president though.

Haven't people figured out yet that Democrats mean "the poorest of the poor" when they say "middle class"?

Did Kasich just invent a word? I swear to god he said "Ameracle".

WOOO Ben Carson. It's a shame he's so quite and mild, he speaks well, I just don't think he's aggressive enough to be a national candidate.

That was a good 5 point plan, Walker should run with that and make it his campaign.

I can't stop noticing Christie's Jersey glow when he talks.

You know what I am legitimately going to say here that I think all of these candidates are going wildly against their past voting records/etc on some of these isssues because of how people have responded to Trump.

The mods seem to be getting a little edgy that some candidates other than Trump are saying such bold things… almost borderline un-PC. & they don't look so pleased when people clap for Trump either.

Rubio was READY for that question. damn. & I agree with him completely.

Unfortunately I missed a good portion of about the last 10 minutes. Loud people, storm knocking my television connection out, and having to move to computer and finding a quiet spot because my speakers are quiet.

Christie is a good talker, it seems. Second time he unleashed a good line.

I'm fine with that, makes them way more interesting.

I bet they were expecting Trump to be something to laugh at. I was kinda expecting that too. I wasn't completely disappointed though.

"Informed by my faith" this reminds of this one skit I should find later, by a bunch of Christians no less, that made fun of how sometimes it feels like politics is a debate of who can be more "Christian".

I do believe that's the second mention of Reagan. Trump is the most fun to listen to. Also, it seems you're right on your mods-hating-Trump analysis.

I'm loving Kasich more nearly every time he talks. His responses about gay marriage and helping the poor are nearly right in line with what I think.

The TV gods have a sense of humor.

I'm watching.

Can't stump the Trump

damn just missed the 30 min cut off on that one, I waited to post one second too late.

HERE IT COMES ARE YOU READY FOR ALL LIVES MATTER?
I will be so disappointed if no one says it.
wtf they couldn't just give that to one person, they have to come back to it right?!

……are you seeing the same commercial I am right now right after that question?

Kasich is definitely playing up that home field advantage. They're really toeing the line of almost flip flopping on what they've said/done before tho, like I said earlier. Some people have given a couple great sounding non-answers.

The Regan-dropping just keeps coming! They're picking up steam!

wild lurkers appear Thank you for joining us, welcome to the show~

closing statements and….. GOD.
thank you Megyn Kelly…?

It will be interesting how a couple of the frontrunners handle it because the social conservatives don't make up a majority in the national elections anymore. They can't realistically go full religion and fend off Hillary.

Painful so far! Total non-answer from Walker! Take the diversion and run Rubio, redirect! REDIRECT!

inb4 "Ben Carson is an Uncle Tom"

Trump is just roasting everyone

Even though I'm left-leaning (yet somehow am loving Rand Paul and Kasich), I have to agree with Huckabee on gays/transgenders in the military. The military, especially given it's being used right now, is something we should be really really careful with.

I thought that was a weird statement. How much you wanna bet the person that makes the best statement about God gets the Republican bid?

We're now getting into mysticism. Proof Republicans are rather intertwined with Christianity (not like we needed any)

Aww, I was hoping to hear some inflammatory about God from Trump.

I only remember that happening once, Epyc. Several times they've run over (I've been here the entire time, except a few moments at the beginning), and some of them were expected questions.

Also, love that joke Carson. He seems really nice.

Closing jokes, love 'em!

My last statement about the debate. That was certainly way more interesting than I expected. I think Rand Paul and John Kasich are the most promising candidates. What about you, everyone else who watched?

This Fox News Debate looks staged. My father's an editor and he does interviews with senators and congressmen and I agree with him when he said the debate looked like it was staged. The debaters were able to finish perfectly at when their times ended and were able to state statistics and information so fast and fluently it's impossible they did it off the tops of their heads. They had to have known this stuff in advance.

Have you ever watched expert debaters before?

What? How many of them have finished on time lmao? That "ding ding" you keep hearing is the end time bell they're ignoring, it's not a ten second warning.

NO SPANISH from Rubio, I am crushed.

…..ah… I forgot Trump was there for a second.

HUCKABEEEEE. ZING

Well, in conclusion, they really got that under control because if it had stayed how it was for the first 10-15 minutes it would have been a circus. They really need to narrow the field down though, I don't want to listen to ten people more or less say the same thing, I want the 3-5 people who vary the most.

Today I watched all of the big debate and some of the smaller one. It was surprisingly interesting. I guess I'm feeling a little less pessimistic now. Maybe it's because I started taking my pills again. There are a few more candidates I can support (Cruz, Walker) than I thought, but odds are still in favor of one of the lukewarm to lousy ones (Rubio, Bush). Looks like the biggest thing to happen today was actually in the smaller debate, where Fiorina scored some major points. Maybe she'll even get in the big debate next time. I should pay more attention to her from now on. Carson might see a bump himself. All his statements were great, even if he spoke softly.

I'm hearing Trump has taken a hit because he refused to say he'd support the chosen candidate, argued with the moderators, and wouldn't give any specifics on his policy. In other words, his long-predicted decline has begun. I'm relieved, but feel a little bad, because some of my family and friends supported him.

That requires experts.

>Social Security means testing
>sucking the NSA's dick
Whelp, I can cross Cristie off my primary voting list. Not that he was really on it to begin with.

Walker and Bush both seemed kind of "meh," like they didn't really care that much and were only phoning it in. Huckabee did a lot better than I was expecting. Carson had that last line and that was just about it for him. Cruz did alright, but I felt he kind of faded into the middle. Nothing bad, but not really anything that great, either.

I think Kasich will get a big boost from this. He was kind of like what Bush should have been--a little more moderate, while still appealing to the base. And actually had some life and passion. He's gonna ride that "Ohio governor record" as long and as far as he can, as he really should. I definitely think he was the big surprise.

Trump was Trump. I don't like him and that didn't change at all. I was slightly surprised by how much evasion he did. For someone who's supposedly riding the "blunt and honest" train, he sure did slither his way out of a lot of questions like a career politician would. It was funny to see Fox News desperately trying to sink him as much as possible afterwards, though. I wonder how much those "audience members" were paid. I really would be delighted if they weren't paid and the Trump ride has started to derail.

>tfw the libertarian wing will never take the nomination
It's 2012 all over again. I think the libertarians are gonna have to build from the ground up and focus on local and state elections. Only then will they ever have any real influence within the Republican Party.

He cannot be stumped!

The Great One has spoken!