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[General] 2016 U.S. Presidential Election General

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2 police officers assaulted by "protestors" outside of RNC, minor injuries. Another protestor lit himself and others around him on fire while attempting to burn an American flag. A Cleveland officer yelled “You’re on fire! You’re on fire, stupid!” while extinguishing him.

Anti-Trump groups were disappointed by the low turnout at their demonstrations but insisted it's because there were so many police officers around and people were just too scared to show up.

DNC troubles…

The national Democrat party has ordered the Vermont state party to replace 2 elected male Vermont delegates with women to help create a gender balance (or to help circumvent a Bernie Bro coup? the male delegates are Bernie's).

The DNC host committee has told a judge that it must be allowed to keep its donor list secret until after the convention, even though a state open records agency has ordered its disclosure, because it would harm the DNC's fundraising efforts (plz see again my comments on Hillary repealing Citizen's United, which demands this donor list's disclosure… here they are already trying to keep their big Wall Street billionaire donors on the DL).

Audible gasps as Michael Moore says Trump will win the election.

Suffolk University poll finds Hillary and Trump tied in swing state Ohio despite it being one of the states Hillary has spent the most in advertising, compared to Trump's non-effort.

Trump's been steadily gaining on 538's forecase. Last I checked he was at ~40%, which is a really good number. At this rate, he'll easily overtake Clinton.

Heck, at this rate, it'll be a Trump landslide.

Mom Rivers wrote:

Trump's been steadily gaining on 538's forecase. Last I checked he was at ~40%, which is a really good number. At this rate, he'll easily overtake Clinton.

Heck, at this rate, it'll be a Trump landslide.

Well I'm still paying attention to CNN's Political Prediction Market live odds, and so far Clinton's odds have not been under 60%.

Adam DeLand wrote:

Well I'm still paying attention to CNN's Political Prediction Market live odds, and so far Clinton's odds have not been under 60%.

>Trump's at ~40%
>Clinton has not been under 60%

You do realize there is no contradiction between these right?

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Mom Rivers wrote:

>Trump's at ~40%
>Clinton has not been under 60%

You do realize there is no contradiction between these right?

She's currently at 68% while he's at 32%.

Hillary Clinton released TRUMP YOURSELF which superimposes him and a quote of his over you, but it wont log me in!! Looks like it operates through facebook.

idk if it's because I'm on mobile (at the mall atm~) but I'm seriously depressed

Lol I tried doing that but then I saw I'd have to give my profile info and my e-mail to Hillary for America and noped the fuck away. I regret giving my email to all those candidates months ago already

^ You see, this is why the Hillary Campaign makes me feel trump will win this election. Forced meme's and shadowy tactics don't make for a good candidate, and all anyone needs to do is look at her pokemon go to the polls joke or her hotsauce in her pocket line to instantly hate her.

Trump meanwhile is a moron but one whose smart enough to manipulate the media to get just enough negative coverage without coming off as an inhuman thing campaigning for office.

LOL. Just got to see the transgender ad on Fox. Now, I hope there's a bit of coverage by people who were surprised about this despite the fact that its existence had been known for like, a week.

The ad:

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Welp, I was completely wrong. Convention drama has remained relatively low since the anti-Trump manoeuvre was quashed. Apologies if I misled anyone.

On another note, Clinton could come out as a lizard in human skin tomorrow but I'd still support her for those sweet SCOTUS seats. That's one of the most important issues this election IMO.

(…Well, that and paid parental leave.

And throwing more money into renewable energy infrastructure, preferably in the Rust Belt. Two birds with one stone, right there)

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Peter Thiel just came out at the RNC to a standing ovation (~30 second clip on site). I'll try to edit in a link to his full speech if I can find one, it was good.

& considering Cruz and his conservative morals were booed off stage yesterday to the point that his wife needed to be escorted away by security, this says a bit about what Trump's presidency might look like for the LGBT community.

Casting out the RINOs and welcoming the conservative gays. Paul Ryan is the next to go.


{ throwing more money into renewable energy infrastructure }

We need to innovate our battery technology before we bother with any more $500 million taxpayer funded eco-failures. They keep failing despite being propped up by the feds because we can't efficiently store and convert the sunlight/wind/etc to usable energy. This is the core of alternative energy's problem atm. Once batteries and inverters evolve, we'll all be much better off collecting our own power for household use (which concerns Big Energy because then who will they charge to use their grids?).

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this says a bit about what Trump’s presidency might look like for the LGBT community

In that regard, I will be pleased only if he doesn't put up aggressively anti-LGBT judges on the SC, and doesn't let Pence run the presidency like some have been suggesting might happen.

After all this, after what I'm hearing during his speech, it doesn't seem that far-fetched anymore.

For Pence to run the presidency that Trump is working so hard to win?
I doubt his ego would let that happen even if that was the plan.

Pence was chosen to appease the straggler conservatives who were unsure of whether they could justifiably leave the establishment, but not without going through Trump's interview process. My guess is he was willing to defer social issues on a federal level to Trump in exchange for more foreign affairs control since that's the hole Trump was looking to fill with his pick. Day to day though, the VP really doesn't have any influence.

Peter Thiel wouldn't have done this without Trump's campaign knowing about it anyway, and the positive crowd response only serves to solidify the idea that Trump should lay off LGBT and focus more on the social issues where we conservatives actually want to see action, like regulating abortion down to 20 weeks and protecting religious rights in an increasingly godless society.

@Pence

Just some conjecture due to the whole "most powerful VP ever" statement apparently made to Kasich. The worry remains, although I do understand it's unlikely.

Peter Thiel wouldn’t have done this without Trump’s campaign knowing about it anyway, and the positive crowd response only serves to solidify the idea that Trump should lay off LGBT and focus more on the social issues where we conservatives actually want to see action, like regulating abortion down to 20 weeks and protecting religious rights in an increasingly godless society.

The main issue is SC stuff. If he appoints justices to the SC who will overturn Obergefell and possibly go further, then because of him it's about as bad as if Pence was president.

NVM just got to the part where Trump said he's appoint someone like Scalia to replace Scalia. Scalia was very anti-lgbt. Way to shatter that dream, Trump.

I'll hold out a hope, especially if he becomes president.

Man I really don't like either candidate. But, this speech is helping me warm up to Trump. So that's a plus.

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idk why you would interpret that to specifically mean Scalia's stance on LGBT instead of his general reputation for being a hardcore Constitutionalist. & you have to remember that Anthony Kennedy is GOP, but he voted with the Democrats and authored the same-sex marriage opinion. Even if a highly religious conservative replaced Scalia, the vote would remain 5-4. I don't see anyone but Clarence Thomas kicking off within the next few years, and he's another GOP justice. People think RBG or Breyer might go but he's under 80 and she appears to be very alive and kicking from her latest round of comments. Women live longer too.

I also just straight up don't think Trump would nominate a super social conservative. Trump is not a super social conservative, and he really has no obligation to be once he's the President. & I also don't think a younger judge would even go there, as far as overturning the decision goes. That generation is dying out before our eyes.

It could mean that, but a good portion of people who support "hardcore" constitutionalism also were against the Obergefell decision. And if one of the two older liberal justices do leave, which is a possibility, then it's bad.

I also just straight up don’t think Trump would nominate a super social conservative.

Same comment as before – I'm guessing (maybe I'm wrong, but it's an educated guess) that most people who fit the hardcore constitutionalist viewpoint also are against Obergefell.

I also don’t think a younger judge would even go there, as far as overturning the decision goes.

When it comes down to a single person, and not a general demographic, beliefs matter. I'm sure there are still younger people who believe the same as the most archconservative elders.

TL;DR I'm just plain worried, and saying it's unlikely doesn't really help with that. If it's even reasonably possible, I'm gonna worry about that.

Literally in my bed sleeping, phone just blew up, apparently Trump got on stage and vowed to protect the LGBT community. No idea what he actually said and too tired to care atm, just spreading the word.

You're as likely to get a conservative against gay issues and social progress under the Hillary Clinton administration as you are under the Trump administration. Like. what exactly has Hillary Clinton done or said that makes her a liberal candidate, besides being a democrat? She likes to pander a lot to win stuff, so I can easily see a scenario in which she elects a social conservative to the supreme court to appeal to older voters for the 2020 elections.

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Trump's acceptance speech last night kicked all kinds of ass. Here it is for anyone that might be interested:

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Like. what exactly has Hillary Clinton done or said that makes her a liberal candidate, besides being a democrat?

Mandatory paid family leave support

BASH: But Secretary – Secretary Clinton, even many people who agree with you might say, look, this is very hard to do, especially in today's day and age. There are so many people who say, "Really? Another government program? Is that what you're proposing? And at the expense of taxpayer money?"

CLINTON: Well, look, you know, when people say that – it's always the Republicans or their sympathizers who say, "You can't have paid leave, you can't provide health care." They don't mind having big government to interfere with a woman's right to choose and to try to take down Planned Parenthood. They're fine with big government when it comes to that. I'm sick of it.

Same debate:

CLINTON: No. I think that we have the opportunity through the states that are pursuing recreational marijuana to find out a lot more than we know today. I do support the use of medical marijuana, and I think even there we need to do a lot more research so that we know exactly how we're going to help people for whom medical marijuana provides relief.

So, I think we're just at the beginning, but I agree completely with the idea that we have got to stop imprisoning people who use marijuana. Therefore, we need more states, cities, and the federal government to begin to address this so that we don't have this terrible result that Senator Sanders was talking about where we have a huge population in our prisons for nonviolent, low-level offenses that are primarily due to marijuana.

Again, same debate:

During the course of the evening tonight, I'll have a chance to lay out all of my plans and the work that I've done behind them. But for me, this is about bringing our country together again. And I will do everything I can to heal the divides – the divides economically, because there's too much inequality; the racial divides; the continuing discrimination against the LGBT community – so that we work together and, yes, finally, fathers will be able to say to their daughters, you, too, can grow up to be president.

Similar statement in the PBS debate

I think that a lot of what we have to overcome to break down the barriers that are holding people back, whether it's poison in the water of the children of Flint, or whether it's the poor miners who are being left out and left behind in coal country, or whether it is any other American today who feels somehow put down and oppressed by racism, by sexism, by discrimination against the LGBT community, against the kind of efforts that need to be made to root out all of these barriers, that's what I want to take on…
But if we were to stop [corporate influence, attacks on unions, and attacks by demagogues] tomorrow, we would still have the indifference, the negligence that we saw in Flint. We would still have racism holding people back. We would still have sexism preventing women from getting equal pay. We would still have LGBT people who get married on Saturday and get fired on Monday.

Also from PBS debate:

CLINTON: You know, I think, again, both of us share the goal of trying to make college affordable for all young Americans. And I have set forth a compact that would do just that for debt-free tuition.

From the 2016 NBC Dem debate

Their [sic] needs to be a concerted effort to address the systemic racism in our criminal justice system.

Oh, and I just found this giant wall of text from the MSNBC NH debate:

I've been fighting for universal healthcare for many years, and we're now on the path to achieving it. I don't want us to start over again. I think that would be a great mistake, to once again plunge our country into a contentious debate about whether we should have and what kind of system we should have for healthcare.

I want to build on the progress we've made; got from 90 percent coverage to 100 percent coverage. And I don't want to rip away the security that people finally have; 18 million people now have healthcare; preexisting conditions are no longer a bar. So we have a difference.

I also believe in affordable college, but I don't believe in free college, because every expert that I have talked to says, look, how will you ever control the costs. What I want to do is make sure middle class kids, not Donald Trump's kids, get to be able to afford college. I want to get the economy going again. It's not just enough about what we're against, as important as that is. I have a plan to create new jobs, manufacturing, infrastructure, clean energy jobs that will make us the 21st century clean energy super power. I also want to make sure small businesses can start and grow again.

And of course, I believe in raising the minimum wage and equal pay for work.

Same debate:

CLINTON: I do and this is an important issue and I know we'll get to a lot of other critical ones as well. I actually agree with Governor O'Malley about the need for common sense gun safety measures. And I applaud his record in Maryland. I just wish he wouldn't misrepresent mine. I have been for the Brady bill, I have been against assault weapons.

I have voted not to give gun makers and sellers immunity. And I also know that -- and I'm glad to see this -- Senator Sanders has really moved in face of the facts about what we're confronting in our country. I know that he has said in the two previous that he wants to take on this immunity issue because we need to send a strong message to the gun manufacturers, to the sellers, to the gun lobby.

And I would hope, Senator Sanders, that you would join the Democrats who are trying to close the Charleston loophole, that you would sponsor or co-sponsor legislation to remove the absolute immunity.

There is more, but that should be enough to make my point. TL;DR the "Hillary isn't a liberal" statement is false.

She likes to pander a lot to win stuff, so I can easily see a scenario in which she elects a social conservative to the supreme court to appeal to older voters for the 2020 elections.

If she did such, she would inherently betray her base, the people she convinced to vote for her. Democrats still focus on social issues fairly well, so they can't trade that off for a liberal version of the "cultural" issues that Republicans have seemed to taken on.

Wikileaks released a bunch of DNC emails today:

Highlights include evidence of collusion between the DNC and CBS/Politico/CNN/MSNBC, discussing how to use atheism to smear the Sanders campaign, and this gem:

She doesn't want people knowing about her relationship with Wall Street
She wants to achieve consistency and the best way to do that is to keep the people ignorant

The Bernie Sanders crowd is not happy. Convention opens Monday…

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Twitter is blowing up over the #DNCLeaks hashtag, with accusations being made that Twitter keeps removing it from the the trending section and even has gone as far as to block it from autocompleting in the search bar.

There's also a ton of salt coming from the Legion of Sanders, not only over the evidence that the primary was rigged but also over the announcement of Caine as Clinton's running mate. Many people saying or implying this is the last straw for them.

An email shows the Washington Post and DNC illegally held a fundraiser. Knowing it was illegal and being warned by lawyers it would be illegal, the DNC and WP decided the best away to avoid the problem was to keep the ticket prices unlisted.

I was just going to post that #KeepThePeopleIgnorant was trying so hard to trend but twitter is keeping it down. She's trying to use the VP announcement to cover it up, otherwise she never would have announced it literally as the Munich attack was taking place. Trump postponed his VP announcement after Nice, she knew it would draw terrible comparisons but she did it anyway because these leaks come off so much worse.

Colonel Sandor wrote:

Wikileaks released a bunch of DNC emails today:

Highlights include evidence of collusion between the DNC and CBS/Politico/CNN/MSNBC, discussing how to use atheism to smear the Sanders campaign, and this gem:

She doesn't want people knowing about her relationship with Wall Street
She wants to achieve consistency and the best way to do that is to keep the people ignorant

The Bernie Sanders crowd is not happy. Convention opens Monday…

Clinton is deep in the Tyson Zone at this point, and she knows it. She knows everyone in America knows she's deeply corrupt, and she knows everyone in America knows she's connected enough to be virtually untouchable. She's reached the point where nothing short of hiring assassins to kill her political opponents can hurt her.

lisalombs wrote:

I was just going to post that #KeepThePeopleIgnorant was trying so hard to trend but twitter is keeping it down. She's trying to use the VP announcement to cover it up, otherwise she never would have announced it literally as the Munich attack was taking place. Trump postponed his VP announcement after Nice, she knew it would draw terrible comparisons but she did it anyway because these leaks come off so much worse.

If you watch the video it's pretty apparent that the venue they announced in was whatever middle school gym they were able to book at the last moment and fill with interns. There is probably some logo like "Go Wild Cats" behind those American flags.

The funniest part about all this is that people are absolutely hating the pick. The Sanders Legion is calling him a corporate shill, a TPP supporter, and consider the pick a complete middle finger to them and their cause. But I guess that is better than talking about the fathoms of filth being exposed right now.

The problem is that this only one of six planned document dumps, so she had to waste this announcement (which people are hating anyways) to try to change the topic when in reality is going to be in the news all week.

The timing on this was brilliant: the Sanders Legion is going to have all weekend to get worked up over how Bernie got screwed over and decided whether it's worth traveling to Philadelphia to protest. It makes me wonder if there is someone else involved in the release.

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Well it looks like critics have entirely ripped apart Dinesh D'Souza's latest film, with a 1/100 Metacritic score. Clearly shows that movie critics also see that Right-winged bigots can really go too far with their accusations.

After a quiet RNC where anti-Trump protestors were actually disappointed with turnout, the DNC is shaping up to be a real shitshow.

{ The city expects 35,000 to 50,000 protesters daily during the July 25-28 convention. Anticipated gathering spots include FDR Park, Marconi Plaza, Independence Mall, City Hall, and the Municipal Services Building. }

lisalombs wrote:

After a quiet RNC where anti-Trump protestors were actually disappointed with turnout, the DNC is shaping up to be a real shitshow.

{ The city expects 35,000 to 50,000 protesters daily during the July 25-28 convention. Anticipated gathering spots include FDR Park, Marconi Plaza, Independence Mall, City Hall, and the Municipal Services Building. }

Wikileaks is also saying they plan on releasing more stuff every day until the DNC so probably only going to get worse.

Hashtag continues to trend on Twitter, with more complaints it is being suppressed.

Word is spreading, however, as a protester was escorted out of the official Clinton-Kaine announcement this morning after shouting about the issue and holding up a homemade sign.

Philadelphia temperatures are currently forecast to be in the mid to high 90s next week, with a possible high of 98 on Monday. People are not going to be in a good mood to begin with.

This morning, the progressive faction lost a vote, 108-58, to both eliminate and "reduce by 90% the power of" super-delegates. However, they won enough votes to introduce a minority report and force a floor vote during the convention, so this issue isn't going away. This event was protested, by the way, so it is has already begun.

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Trump overtaking Hillary in all major polls.

CNN attributes this to post-convention bounce, though note they haven't seen one in 16 years.

{ Donald Trump comes out of his convention ahead of Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House, topping her 44% to 39% in a four-way matchup including Gary Johnson (9%) and Jill Stein (3%) and by three points in a two-way head-to-head, 48% to 45%. That latter finding represents a 6-point convention bounce for Trump, which are traditionally measured in two-way matchups. There hasn't been a significant post-convention bounce in CNN's polling since 2000. }

Trump and if I am right, Pence as well is now in Roanoke, VA about to make their first joint speech together since the RNC convention.

There are people standing in line for over 4 hours in 95 degree heat and high humidity to get in to see him. The main hall is full and the spill over hall is likely full too. I think 2 thousand people here for Trump alone.

After MUCH cackling from the DNC that the first three nights of their convention had more viewers and celebrities than the RNC, AP has the final comparison… 29.8 million people watched Hillary's historic acceptance speech, but the Donald roped in 32.2 million. That's the icing on the cake, here's the cherry: { Trump's audience was watched by 9 million more people than it was for any other night of the Republican convention, Nielsen said. Meanwhile, the Democrats actually had slightly more viewers for the first night of its convention than it did for the nominee's speech, typically the highest-rated night of convention coverage. }

The Democrats are kidding themselves. This country is voting for President Trump.

Trump must have said something about wind farms killing birds because all I've seen today are sarcastic posts about Thanksgiving killing more birds than anything else.

So… casual reminder that wind farms are the largest killers of federally protected raptors (mostly eagles) and that this very year the Obama administration eliminated the per-eagle penalty imposed on wind farms because the numbers were embarrassingly high on public record for such a green energy source, replacing it with a $40,000 payment to the federal government directly that allows them to slaughter four times the previous federal limit without incurring any additional penalty.

lisalombs wrote:

Trump must have said something about wind farms killing birds because all I've seen today are sarcastic posts about Thanksgiving killing more birds than anything else.

So… casual reminder that wind farms are the largest killers of federally protected raptors (mostly eagles) and that this very year the Obama administration eliminated the per-eagle penalty imposed on wind farms because the numbers were embarrassingly high on public record for such a green energy source, replacing it with a $40,000 payment to the federal government directly that allows them to slaughter four times the previous federal limit without incurring any additional penalty.

And we will literally never hear Trump speak another single thing about protecting wild life ever again.

We never hear any politicians speak about the environment, aside from OMG CO2. Even the people actively investing in battery and solar technology, ie Musk, don't have anything to say about human ecology. We know why, because the answer to a huge chunk of our environmental woes is small, local production of necessity goods. It's their biggest market, and food/water especially have ridiculously high profit margins on an industrial scale.

Skeletor-sm

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