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Do you guys legitimately hate Star Wars: the Force Awakens?

Last posted Jan 14, 2017 at 10:00AM EST. Added Jan 10, 2017 at 02:32PM EST
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Before I saw TFA, I realized that it was going to be derivative of the original trilogy. To capitalize on disatisfaction with the prequels and nostalgia for the originals, they were emphasizing sand planets, storm troopers, and practical effects. I was sure they took cues from the Plinkett reviews, and I figured that at the very least the story would make sense. I was more worried that the main characters were going to be bland. So those were the expectations I had. When I saw it, I actually found myself enjoying the new characters, so I was pleasantly surprised. Another friend of mine went in with higher expectations and came out highly disappointed by the fact it was derivative.

I can forgive it for that. They felt they had to make a product that distanced itself from the prequels. I guess there's the argument that Rey is a Mary Sue, but it's hard not to be a Mary Sue when the Force as a concept revolves around making people good at everything they do. Plus, she does have character flaws, like apparent emotional instability.

I think the key for judging the Disney Star Wars is the next main feature. They can't (well shouldn't) capitalize on nostalgia forever.

I didn't hate The Force Awakens, but it did leave me feeling underwhelmed. It was just the same story as A New Hope and the new characters were boring. The whole things felt like warmed over fan fiction. Rogue One was way better.

TFA was ok. It would have been better if it was an original story and not a reheated New Hope. And there's more to this problem than story arcs and plot beats.

TFA was a very brilliant but cynical (and successful) attempt by Disney to rebrand Star Wars- a massive billion dollar investment- for a new generation. The movie needed to appeal to older fans but rope in a new fan base for two reasons.

A) The original generation of Star Wars fans is aging out of the crucial marketing demographics. They'll always been important to the Star Wars franchise, but their spending power is on the decline and will some day disappear.

B) At the same time, younger audiences don't have the same emotional connection to Star Wars the original hardcore fan base has, and in a world of Marvel and DC Universes as well as other epic action movies they never will. Star Wars cannot help but be just another movie franchise to these younger groups. That guaranteed emotional bond of the 1970s/1980s fans will never exist for such people. And that makes Star Wars a less safe investment.

So when you look Star Wars, and the TFA, from a business angle, what you see is a movie purposely designed to appeal older fans (same story, original characters) with a veneer of new characters (Empowered Female, African-American lead, Emo Vader) designed to appeal to potential younger fans and take over the SW universe. And from what I know of Rouge One, it's doing the same thing by including Asian characters in order to have broader appeal in China.

Now, I am not knocking Disney for any of this, nor am I accusing them of going SJW/PC. It pulled it what attempted to do, and did it fairly well, so I have to admire that. But because I see the underlying motive, it diminishes the movie for me somewhat. Everything sees contrived and intended as set-up, not to tell an original story and provide an enjoyable movie experience, but to lock in another 20 years of Star Wars Monopoly sales (which it managed to generate faked controversy/media coverage over because it left out a Rey playing piece in its first edition). Now to Disney's credit it was a good movie experience, but to me it seems as if that wasn't its primary concern.

And that leads to my second problem I had with TFA: the 9 months of incessant, repetitive, marketing leading up to it. Disney went as far as to have ABC News (which it owns) repeatedly "report" on Star Wars "news" stories during their broadcasts, including stories about the Disney-invented "Unboxing" Day in August and lame stories about a Chewbacca-dressed bank robber.

Perhaps that's unfair to hold against TFA itself, but when a company goes to those lengths to promote a movie it makes me question what influence it had over the script and other artistic decisions within the film itself.

So to sum up, TFA is good movie. However I think a lot of people either consciously or subconsciously pick up on Disney's motives, which not only shaped the final product but likely hobbled it in several ways and lead it into being a rebooted New Hope directed by the same person who rebooted Star Trek.

Last edited Jan 10, 2017 at 06:36PM EST

I was fine with both Force Awakens and Rouge One. They're not amazing by any means, but they don't really have to be.

They just needed to show us that Star Wars was climbing out of it's slump, which it overwhelmingly has.

I, for one, really liked it. I wasn't bugged by similarities, it was a necessary evil, and I liked the chemistry between all the characters.
I also appreciate the fact that it was a big blockbuster that incorporated a lot of practical effects. The cantina scene alone was filled with so many puppets, make-up, and robotics and it made me so happy.
Also the pathetic hardcore shipper that I am says Rey and Kylo are gonna bone end up together.
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It was what it needed to be, so I can't HATE it for that.

It came at a time when the last 3 Star Wars films were mediocre at best and agonizingly long at worst, when Disney threw out mountains of previously-established canon, and to the dangers of a huge demographic that expects precision treatment of the franchise. It NEEDED to be a safe film, not something drastically different to scare off the purists or too technical/obscure to scare off the casual viewing audience. It just re-did Episode IV, established the stage, and gave a solid viewing experience.

I don't find it exceptional, I don't find it horrible, I just find it above-average at best. It didn't thrill me as past Star Wars films did and didn't introduce anything explicitly new that excited my fantasy.

I will retroactively hate this film if Episode 8 turns out to be another safe film, as that just says to me they don't care about making new FILMS, but rather making new money-making blockbusters. I get that Disney's a huge corporation and these operations require money but for god's sake just re-hashing the same old shit is so agonizing.

So yeah it's fine but if the trend of "safe crowd-pleasers" continues I will loathe it and all titles in the trilogy.

A New Hope is my favorite film out of all of them, so that's why I really liked The Force Awakens as well. I still like A New Hope better because most of it is practical effects.

I don't hate it but I'm not in a rush to rewatch it at all. Hell I've seen it like 3 times in a year and I feel kinda sick of it unlike the original trilogy I could watch a lot and have. It's not the same sick as the prequels but like it's just underwhelming and semi dull. No fight scene in force awakens stood out to me genuinely. I noticed first time I saw it that it was just a recycle. Basically completely average/mediocre to me. Not a bad movie by any means but not one I liked.

I prefer rogue one by quite a bit actually even as a spin-off. I really hope 8 and 9 aren't recycled and make characters more interesting/actually develop them.

I was disappointed by force awakens and aspects of rogue one. I liked them both and would watch them again. I just didn't find them to be as good as i would have wanted them to be, which were masterpieces.

Now contrast that to phantom menace, attack of the clones, and revenge of the sith. You couldn't pay me to watch them again unless it was to riff the shit out of them.

Force awakens is a good movie that I think does everything I expected and wanted out of. I wanted it to be better than the prequels, I expected it to be a bit more nostalgic about the original trilogy with its direction. I was pleased to have really good and memorable characters. I'm that crazy person who thinks that rouge one is far far more blatant with its fanservice and uninteresting characters.

I certainly wouldn't say I either loved or hated it. It was okay but unfortunately Rey seems quite generic, similar to Luke, and once again the villains & supporting characters were more interesting. This isn't a bad thing per se but personally I at least need to give a slight crap about who the MC is, on a personal level.

I wouldn't say that it was either particularly better or worse than the original first film. It was structurally similar and kind of samey, so eh.

The memes were pretty spicy however and I definitely enjoyed the "meme fallout" of the film.

I hated how I was tricked into thinking we were going to get a Stormtrooper become a Jedi and bring down the empire he once served only to find out Rey is the Jedi and Finn is just going to be second fiddle. And here I thought the official poster for TFA was just being racist by pushing the black lead to the side and giving that chick (never really gave two shits about looking up her character before the movie as I thought she was just going to be the love interest) the biggest profile on said poster. Only to find out that they were basically spelling out that Rey was going to be the Jedi right there, because seriously, the Jedi NOT being the main character? Scoff what's next, you're telling me we'll have a Female Jedi as the lead character of a trilogy and a movie based off trying to get the Death Star plans, oh wait…..

Other than that, I loved it.

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