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Land Expropriation Without Compensation. A South African case.

Last posted Mar 03, 2018 at 09:23PM EST. Added Feb 28, 2018 at 07:39PM EST
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Opening the debate on his motion, EFF leader Julius Malema said: "The time for reconciliation is over. Now is the time for justice."

The National Assembly on Tuesday set in motion a process to amend the Constitution so as to allow for the expropriation of land without compensation.

The motion was adopted with a vote of 241 in support, and 83 against. The only parties who did not support the motion were the DA, Freedom Front Plus, Cope and the ACDP. The matter will now be referred to the Constitutional Review Committee which must report back to Parliament by August 30.

The chief argument for the motion is to seek a restoration of black people's dignity, which is deeply rooted in the land. Gugile Nkwinti, who was minister of rural affairs and land reform until Monday evening (now minister of water affairs), said: "The ANC unequivocally supports the principle of land expropriation without compensation."

Advocates of land expropriation say that this is an important step in redressing past injustices and redistributing the means of production to those who were dispossessed in the past.

Mcebo Dlalmini says: With Democrat Zuma gone, the time is ripe for land expropriation

South Africa has seen more than three heads of state in its 24 years as a democratic country but the conditions of the people have not changed substantially. Although some strides have been made the hierarchies that existed during apartheid and former president Thabo Mbeki's tenure have not been altered. There's still this group of whites that continue to hold all the wealth while the black majority of the country continues to languish in poverty.

This requires us to think critically about what ought to be done to ensure that this brutal reality is changed. The state of affairs invites us to think about the problem is structural and not necessarily as an incident of the structure.

Malema issued a "warning shot" to the DA.

"Every land in South Africa should be expropriated without compensation and it will be under the state. The state should be the custodian of the land," he explained.

"No one is going to lose his or her house, no one is going to lose his or her flat, no one is going to lose his or her factory or industry. At least for now." He said. "All [that] we are saying is they will not have the ownership of the land. It belongs to the state."

Transforming economy

"The ANC in Parliament appreciates the need to take bold steps that will transform our economy including land ownership and reform.

"This resolution therefore heralded a new era of intensified land distribution to address the long-standing national grievance of African people around land dispossession," read a statement from the office of the ANC chief whip.

"We look forward to the outcome of the Constitutional Review processes on the modalities of expropriation of land without compensation. As the ANC in Parliament, we will closely monitor this process."

The ANC Women's League said it was excited, "irrespective of which political party tabled the motion, for the benefit of the landless masses who were displaced by the unjust laws of colonialism and apartheid".

tl'dr: The government is pushing for a law that will de-privatize land ownership.

The jury's out on whether this will actually boost South Africa's economy or not, in an attempt to boost food production, and give food production jobs to poor people. On the other hand, is that it opens up for abuse. I.E the government could legally kick you out of your house if they deem you "not working the land hard enough."

YourHigherBrainFunctions wrote:

Wait isn't the group pushing for this trying to ban whites from owning land?

The whole "Banning whites from owning land!" angle is fake news. In theory.

Jury's out if it becomes real news.

Source here:

https://www.news24.com/Columnists/GuestColumn/the-big-land-debate-should-there-be-expropriation-without-compensation-20180228

And their website:

http://www.effonline.org/on-land

“No one is going to lose his or her house, no one is going to lose his or her flat, no one is going to lose his or her factory or industry. At least for now.” He said.

>>At least for now.

That's real comforting.

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Yup. Not conforting at all.

This is the same “We are not calling for the slaughtering of white people, at least for now.” Malema

https://www.thesouthafrican.com/we-are-not-calling-for-the-slaughtering-of-white-people-at-least-for-now-malema/

And he said that in live television.

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Surprised nobody brought this topic up, this has been going on for weeks.

Idk if the "Coolest monkey" controversy is what Lauren do this,but Lauren decided to do some documentary about South Africa:







Love or hate Lauren Southern, this shit is scary.
Same response as my old comment , the EFF is what made their country look bad

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Expropriate the land of the white people, curiously, that was same thing that Zimbabwe did in the year 2000? I can smell the ghost of hyperinflation and economic crisis that struck Zimbabwe thanks to those measures, and that guy, Julius Malema, reminds me of a certain president of a country that also expropriated many lands and properties and that he liked to wear red, I see an bad economic future for Zimbabwe 2 / South Africa, I hope I'm wrong, but experience tells me that if you do not learn from history you are condemned to repeat it.

Definitely a part of this is coming from the new leadership change. Jacob Zuma has stepped down after constant corruption scandals, leading to Cyril Ramaphosa getting sworn in as ANC leader.
Best case is that Cyril's throwing a bone to Maleema's populists in order to entrench his own position. Cyril has stated that he wants to make sure that it does not result in economic downturn etc. How far it will go remains to be seen.

The whole concept is immoral.

Trespassing on another cultures land and making profit off of it, also not even paying them to do so is a HUUUUUUGE crime.

They better pay these people, out of common sense.

Apparently the damage is done and their grounds won't ever be given back. COMPENSATE them.

No wonder there is a stigma, enough said

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I look at South Africa and see our future. There will be over 4 billion Africans by the end of this century. That's not including other diverse people of the world. Where will they all head to I wonder?

South Africa proves yet again that we have two options: fight or flee. And by "fight" I mean without compromises, without half-measures. Otherwise your children, grandchildren or great-grandchildren will suffer the same fate. (Now I'm a giant pussy and I will flee, just saying).

Also people supporting gun control in the US are… um… not very smart. So are people who oppose white nationalists/supremacists.

@メムチキ・メモシ uh.. I am not entirely sure what you are saying here, how are you going to flee or fight africans? why? It is africa that gets sporadically screwed by the rest of the world, not really the other way around, just saying.

FREDDURST wrote:

I look at South Africa and see our future. There will be over 4 billion Africans by the end of this century. That's not including other diverse people of the world. Where will they all head to I wonder?

South Africa proves yet again that we have two options: fight or flee. And by "fight" I mean without compromises, without half-measures. Otherwise your children, grandchildren or great-grandchildren will suffer the same fate. (Now I'm a giant pussy and I will flee, just saying).

Also people supporting gun control in the US are… um… not very smart. So are people who oppose white nationalists/supremacists.

What the fuck are you talking about? I can see Africa's population getting as high as say 1.6 billion or such, but 4 billion? There would be large scale famine that would starve to death hundreds of millions of people.

That's one of the reasons why people are shitting their pants about the global population potentially hitting 9 billion, because at that point you would see a large scale die off of humans by large scale famines, disease, lack of water.

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@NO!

I'm not advocating fighting Africans, which is completely pointless, I'm talking about radically changing our governments, reverting back to nation-states, and stopping all migration from third-world countries. But I've become too disillusioned, too pessimistic to fight for anything in Europe, because the reality is really soul-crushing. I already made my peace with the fact that it's all over for us.

Well, personally I'm going to move to Japan. I know it won't be easy, natives will resent me and treat me with suspicion at first (as they should). But through my dedication, loyalty and willingness to die for Nippon and for the Emperor, my strict adherence to the code of Bushido and the Yamato spirit, and my near-perfect Japanese pronunciation I will be accepted as one of their own. Then I will find and marry my very own Yamato Nadeshiko and produce future Japanese patriots.

If there's anything Tom Cruise taught me, it's that as a moderately attractive white man I shall eventually succeed, and maybe even save Japan from the dangers of the outside world.

YourHigherBrainFunctions wrote:

What the fuck are you talking about? I can see Africa's population getting as high as say 1.6 billion or such, but 4 billion? There would be large scale famine that would starve to death hundreds of millions of people.

That's one of the reasons why people are shitting their pants about the global population potentially hitting 9 billion, because at that point you would see a large scale die off of humans by large scale famines, disease, lack of water.

How about you look up the official UN projections before posting? It will, in fact, be over 4 billion by the end of the century. And yes, since the number is absolutely unsustainable they will be flooding into Europe. Like they do already, except on a much, much greater scale.

@メムチキ・メモシキ
Wow for once I agree with you on something. If something doesn't change for the better we probably will see a massive die off of humans via famine or disease in some point in the next twenty years. An example of what I mean by disease is that the last ebola outbreak those mosquitoes aren't normally supposed to live in those areas and the areas they live in has greatly expanded due to warmer climates.

Pretty much every virologist is scared shitless right now cause a lot of countries in the africa and many parts of the world are a powderkeg waiting to be lit. The problem of plagues is getting so serious lately that it has now become a required tactic is if anyone is trying to escape quarantine to shoot them.

There has been large scale die offs of humans before, multiple times, the people that think these sorts of large scale die offs can't happen again are stupid.

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Here is some more vids that might show what South Africa is facing.

I should point out that while white presence is being pushed out of Africa, China's presence and ethnic Chinese people are under way of recolonizing Africa under THEIR rule. Lord knows they will re-enslave all of them with no hope of ever being free. Under the Chinese, Nelson Mandela would have been shot and killed right away than be jailed.

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It's a peaceful ethnic cleansing. They're peacefully forcing people out of their homes, and out of the country. There's no reason for anyone to be mad, cause it's all peaceful. For now.

Sanakan_ht wrote:

Let's not forget that South Africa has a massive drought problem
In April, they will shut down almost all drinking water places, only very few places have water

Well it's a good thing the government in south Africa doesn't have an ethnic group they openly hate. Otherwise they might be tempted to deny access to any of these designated water areas unless you were a previously discriminated against ethnic member who deserves the reparations. It's all private property of the government with this bill and if they deem a person not welcome they can probably charge them with criminal tresspass for accesing the property.

But Don't worry, south Africa has nobody they have an axe to grind against, for now.

If there are any South Africans that you know of who are concerned with there well-being, tell them that they are welcome in America. That Julius Malema has a few screws loose, if you ask me.

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