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Some days ago I brought this topic on the IRC: basically, it would be a new field on the image upload (and edit) page that lets you put a link on it and make an automatic hyperlink. This would be extremelly useful in order to sourcing images, as currently we have to create the links manually, and also would standarise the sourcing, as every user does it on its way. Anyway, I tried making some kind of prototype to see how would it look like:

I made two versions: one with two bars (one for the picture and another for the creator profile) and other with just one for the picture. Lurk also suggested that the "artist" button could actually be replaced by the name of the page (for example, if we link a Tumblr account it would appear "Tumblr", and vice versa), though I don't know if that would be possible.

So, do you think is a good idea or a gimmicky suggestion? Would you change something on the design (I think the two bars look a bit ugly, but I can't come up with anything else)? I appreciate the feedback on this.

I think it's an excellent idea, in the end, the site is for documenting and sourcing should be a priority (Even though it's hard to find the source sometimes) especially for fanarts, I like the second one better, I hope it's possible to apply this

+1 BIG want

Been bringing this up for ages, would love to see some actual support for sourcing, since we're so insistent on it. This does, however, bring up the issue of what to do if a source is unknown or if none exists. Do we make the field optional, and risk unsourced media, or simply find a workaround for content we can't source?

Yeah, if we make it mandatory some people would put random letters (in similar vein to titles and tags).

The name of the artist can be posted but links aren't a good idea because links to lewd content are forbidden.
the hentai quotes gallery for example, they used to link it directly to the source until recently the mods didn't allow it anymore.

But it wouldn't be mandatory. Though, I know many are going to ignore it.

Plus, what if the content itself is NSFW? I suppose it the OP can clarify the nature of the source in the notes (?).

It's a good way to avoid more problems with artists that claim KYM users "steal" their fanart.

@Loli

i am talking about the kind of NSFW that would get you banned from this site, not the ones that can be arranged by tagging it as NSFW. Lots of comments got deleted and images got edited because the link was NSFW. I just think it's strange that it's suddenly not a problem anymore.

i am talking about the kind of NSFW that would get you banned from this site, not the ones that can be arranged by tagging it as NSFW.

I know, I was just expressing my concern to those in the thread. It was not directed to you specifically. Sorry, I should've made myself clear on that.

Lots of comments got deleted and images got edited because the link was NSFW.

No, those were deleted for linking to pornographic material or websites.

NSFW =/= "Not Cool", just pointing that out.

I just think it’s strange that it’s suddenly not a problem anymore.

You mean as in ""yeah, as long the image it's source we don't care if the link leads you a porn site"?

We never said such thing, linking to NC sites is a non-go. This feature is quite useful for fanart uploads but useless for galleries like "Hentai Quotes", yes I agree on that.

It wouldn't be mandatory, it's not like we're forcing you to link to NC sites. Although I am pretty sure if this get implemented, we'd apply some set of rules for it so people makes sure to SOURCE their uploads.

I would add 2 boxes: Source URL and Source Name

- If both are filled in, the Source Name will hyperlink to the Source URL
- If just the URL is filled in, a text reading "source" will appear which will hyperlink you.
- If just the Name is filled in, the text will appear but no hyperlink.

Simple and effective. Also fixes that concern regarding NC sources.

Also, I would make it an optional thing to fill in. First you have 4chan images which can't really be sourced, and second there are Tumblr content stealing blogs which don't deserve the source credit.

Why has this not been implemented yet? It seems like a really important feature.

While we're bringing back month-old threads, I think a source field would really lessen the people erroneously putting the title/artist of media in the tags. I know we're generally using the "notes" as a source section for now, but a lot of uploaders don't seem to be aware of this and it's bogging down our galleries.

As a matter of fact, I was actually thinking about something similar to what Triple Zed said for quite some time since after all this is a documentation site.

Wait, what? How would be putting the Author in the tags be erroneous? Personally I'm more for the "Artist:thisguy: style tags, but I don't see how it would be a problem. It lets you see the work of a particular artist efficiently if they are on the site.

Anyways, there are four main ways of sourcing image currently on KYM.
:

• Mona style- "Created by ARTIST via SITE", with "ARTIST" linked to the artist's page, and "SITE" linked to the exact work.

- Pros: Arguably the best system. Data about who created the work and where it was posted is all saved in the meta data even if the work is removed or the artist removes their account.

- Cons: The longest method, so it takes more time, and it is easy to misplace a field.

• Unraveler style- "SITE- ARTIST"

- Pros: Arguably the best balance between efficiency and information. Data about who created the work and where it is posted is all saved in the metadata, even if the work is removed or the artist removes their account.

- Cons:If the artist removes the work but does not remove their account, there is no link to their account compared to the Mona style.

• Source style – "Source/Sauce" linking to the original work.

- Pros: Quick and easy.

- Cons: Data about who created the work is not saved if the original work is deleted unless this is present in the URL. It also doesn't look as nice and doesn't look like the uploader cares about the creator as much.

• Raw URL style-

-Pros: The fastest way of sourcing an image. It also requires not Textile or other code, making it easier for mobile users

- Cons: Data about who created the work is not saved if the original work is deleted unless this is present in the URL. It also looks messy and really doesn't gvie the impression the uploader cares about the creator as much.

There are also other "methods" which are really shit-tier because they leave out all the critical information. these are about the same as leaving no source at all.

• Linking a Tumblr image- linking to the actual image Tumblr such as this.

-Pros: None

-Cons: it is impossible to find any data about where this image originated with this information. There is no connection to an image to any particular Tumblr blog. This is functionally the same as putting no source at all.

• The artist name just providing the artist name without any HTML or anything else.

-Pros: The artist name is know. If the upload is just a work from famous IRL artist (Da Vinci, Monet, Picasso, etc. this is sufficient).

-Cons: There is no contextual information. There are a near infinite number of artists on the web on a multitude of different sites. Just listing the artist name without context of where the artist is makes the name information practically meaningless. This goes doubly so for artist names that are English translations of names that are not English.

Finally, there are other things

• Image via SITE- Site in linked to the post where said image was found.

-Pros: this is the best system to source images that you may be skeptical about who the actual creator of the image is. I know there are many sites (Funny Junk, 9Gag, Cheez etc.) that thrive on content created elsewhere. Likewise, there are many Tumblr blogs and Sub-Reddits are primarily about content from other sites. This system shows you where you found the image but gives less of an impression that this was the actual "source" of the image. This is also useful if you find an edit of a work that you do find the source image from. Such as "art originally created by X, Image via Y"

-Cons: the true source is ideal, but often impossible to find.

• Translation sourcing
  Some sites/ sub-sites have translators. If you know who the translator is, try to link to them and the translated version of the image in addition to the creator source.

Wait, what? How would be putting the Author in the tags be erroneous?

Pretty sure he's talking about people who only put the author and assume that's good enough. cough espurr cough

Also, Mona's version is the best IMO. Its the one I use a lot.

"Artist:thisguy: style tags

Honestly, I have never seen anyone who put artist tags like that until now. Most people I have seen (me including) would just tag just the artist name.

Unraveler style- “SITE- ARTIST”

- Pros: Arguably the best balance between efficiency and information. Data about who created the work and where it is posted is all saved in the metadata, even if the work is removed or the artist removes their account.

- Cons:If the artist removes the work but does not remove their account, there is no link to their account compared to the Mona style.

Interesting, I didn't know there was a name for that method. Anyways, I use a slight derivative of the Unraveler style (Sauce – Artist). The con for the unraveler style is easily remedied. Even if the work is removed and cuts off the link to their account, you can still easily find the author most of the time by using sauceNAO (pixiv and most Japanese sites), iqdb (danbooru, safebooru, or other boorus), or Google Image Reverse Search (deviantart, tumblr, and other websites.)

Although I did use the "Source/Sauce" style until around like early January, when I realize the "Source/Sauce" style didn't provide enough information, so I switched to the Unraveler style. However, I still currently updating all of my images that are still using the "Source/Sauce" style.

Oh yeah, some update on this: Some weeks ago I -s-talked with the admins about this, and they told me they were discussing about how to add the feature. From what Ari told me, they had in mind an autosourcing system similar to the one we currently have in videos (though I told them it was quite flawed because it wouldn't source correctly reposted art from FJ/reddit/4chan…), but they were brainstorming over it and they might added the field too.

Data about who created the work is not saved if the original work is deleted unless this is present in the URL. It also doesn’t look as nice and doesn’t look like the uploader cares about the creator as much.

doesn’t look like the uploader cares about the creator as much.

In my case, I leave the art title and the author in the image title so people can find the artist in case the original work is removed, don't know if that makes the system any better.

Well, 8 months has passed since and we now have a source area for images. That should alleviate the situation.