Don't boycott Godot games
![I have not heard of those last four engines. Better check them out!](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/002/935/727/c2b.png)
![I have not heard of those last four engines. Better check them out!](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/935/727/c2b.png)
Godot Engine User Blocking Controversy / #Wokot
New Redot controversy
![Javo Leedeo Studio @leedeostudio - Oct 21 Is history repeating itself? They told @godotengine 'focus on the engine, not on politics,' but now, three weeks later, @RedotEngine apologizes for a political message. And when I ask what's going on, the post disappears... Curious, isn't it? #GODOT #GodotEngine #Redot #gamedev @RedotEngine It has been brought to our attention that a CM has made a couple posts that do not align with the brands values. While some posts may be "political adjacent" (posting on a big account's post for visibility's sake) our posts shouldn't cross the line into politics. We've removed the posts and addressed this internally. Thanks for bringing this to our attention, and let's move forward with the release of 4.3 and beyond. Traducir post 4:33 a. m.. 20 oct. 2024 20,7 mil Reproducciones 29 139 Postea tu respuesta 986 口 28 Responder Javo Leedeo Studio @leedeostudio - 14h IA project born from a pointless controversy, with double standards and repeated mistakes, but still no roadmap to spark my interest. What's its contribution to game dev beyond building a community? Asking seriously... odderrock @odderrock - 4h tel 267 They've taken accountability and owned up to and corrected those mistakes. Redot was only started three weeks ago. The team is tiny compared to Godot and working freely in addition to their actual jobs. This sounds entitled. Nobody's trying to stop you from using Godot instead. Q1 Javo Leedeo Studio @leedeostudio - 54min 13 It's not about taking responsibility, it's about being consistent with the message. Blazium is another fork, with less time and fewer promises, but it already has a roadmap. If the focus is on the engine, what are they doing for 173 39 ılı 3.4K](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/002/935/712/a99.png)
![Javo Leedeo Studio @leedeostudio - Oct 21 Is history repeating itself? They told @godotengine 'focus on the engine, not on politics,' but now, three weeks later, @RedotEngine apologizes for a political message. And when I ask what's going on, the post disappears... Curious, isn't it? #GODOT #GodotEngine #Redot #gamedev @RedotEngine It has been brought to our attention that a CM has made a couple posts that do not align with the brands values. While some posts may be "political adjacent" (posting on a big account's post for visibility's sake) our posts shouldn't cross the line into politics. We've removed the posts and addressed this internally. Thanks for bringing this to our attention, and let's move forward with the release of 4.3 and beyond. Traducir post 4:33 a. m.. 20 oct. 2024 20,7 mil Reproducciones 29 139 Postea tu respuesta 986 口 28 Responder Javo Leedeo Studio @leedeostudio - 14h IA project born from a pointless controversy, with double standards and repeated mistakes, but still no roadmap to spark my interest. What's its contribution to game dev beyond building a community? Asking seriously... odderrock @odderrock - 4h tel 267 They've taken accountability and owned up to and corrected those mistakes. Redot was only started three weeks ago. The team is tiny compared to Godot and working freely in addition to their actual jobs. This sounds entitled. Nobody's trying to stop you from using Godot instead. Q1 Javo Leedeo Studio @leedeostudio - 54min 13 It's not about taking responsibility, it's about being consistent with the message. Blazium is another fork, with less time and fewer promises, but it already has a roadmap. If the focus is on the engine, what are they doing for 173 39 ılı 3.4K](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/935/712/a99.png)
Godot Engine User Blocking Controversy / #Wokot
"Safer"
![@mysticat 1 day ago its so disappointing to see people behaving like this, but its also making the community a safer place i suppose 1 reply Reply](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/002/935/710/e44.png)
![@mysticat 1 day ago its so disappointing to see people behaving like this, but its also making the community a safer place i suppose 1 reply Reply](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/935/710/e44.png)
Godot Engine User Blocking Controversy / #Wokot
Get it? Get it?
![@sporter527 6 days ago This entire situation is just so Unreal... 165 165 Reply 9 replies](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/002/920/480/740.png)
![@sporter527 6 days ago This entire situation is just so Unreal... 165 165 Reply 9 replies](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/920/480/740.png)
Godot Engine User Blocking Controversy / #Wokot
Graph showing support for the Godot game engine over time
![The gap in datapoints between september 19 and september 28 is due to missing captures on the WayBack machine (web archive). This web-app only started capturing data on October 4.
Also, according to Clay John, Secretary of the Godot foundation, the loss of €5000 in donations was due to a corporate sponsorship expiring and is unrelated to the Twitter drama.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/002/920/447/e17.png)
![The gap in datapoints between september 19 and september 28 is due to missing captures on the WayBack machine (web archive). This web-app only started capturing data on October 4.
Also, according to Clay John, Secretary of the Godot foundation, the loss of €5000 in donations was due to a corporate sponsorship expiring and is unrelated to the Twitter drama.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/920/447/e17.png)
Godot Engine User Blocking Controversy / #Wokot
€5000 dip in donations unrelated to the twitter drama
![6 godot_clayjohn ⚫ 7d ago • Foundation fund.godotengine.org: Monday, September 30, 2024 at 9:13:57 PM GMT+2 Obviously I can't share access to the backend, but the numbers on the side are kept up to date. Last week we went down by about €5,000 when a corporate sponsorship expired. Since Friday morning we lost €170/month in sponsorships but gained €1,610/month in new sponsorships. In terms of numbers of people: 10 people have cancelled their donations so far and 74 new people have signed up. 24 Award Share](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/002/920/431/b61.png)
![6 godot_clayjohn ⚫ 7d ago • Foundation fund.godotengine.org: Monday, September 30, 2024 at 9:13:57 PM GMT+2 Obviously I can't share access to the backend, but the numbers on the side are kept up to date. Last week we went down by about €5,000 when a corporate sponsorship expired. Since Friday morning we lost €170/month in sponsorships but gained €1,610/month in new sponsorships. In terms of numbers of people: 10 people have cancelled their donations so far and 74 new people have signed up. 24 Award Share](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/920/431/b61.png)
Godot Engine User Blocking Controversy / #Wokot
laying out the facts
![Domi (its a donor badge lol->) 02/10/2024 21:57 Thanks! Just as I finished my copypasta: Let me stop you right there First, lets go over the facts and the timeline: 1. Someone tells a dev creating a game in godot that using a game engines is woke 2. Godot twitter account posts tweet "Apparently game engines are woke now? Well then, we won't complain Show us your #Wokot games below 3. Conservative influencers and activists start reposting this, attacking the godot foundation and community manager. A lot of trolls starts spewing hate under godot posts 4. In response to raid there's panic mode and a lot of bans, some to people who dont troll 5. In following hours bans are disputed and cleared 6. Conservative influencers and activists continue the hate campaign Common lies: Lie: people are getting banned from GitHub for opinions and can't access the code anymore Truth: people are getting banned from posting new issues in GitHub. They got banned after spamming the issue board with offtop disrupting dev work. They still can read and access the code and newest godot versions. 5 people were banned from spamming issues as stated by the godot team member # about-twitter > Lie: but how the engine is open source if it bans people from discussions? Truth: Because it's on open source license. The license is not granting any discussion rights on game engine socials. Please read the license if you want to come up with "got you" about it. Lie: go woke go broke Truth: Godot lost around 160 euro from backers. At the same time it gained more than 2000 euro from new backers. The total loss in the number is a result of one year long corporate sponsorship of 5000 euro expiring. Lie: why don't you focus on developing the engine not doing politics Truth: A joke about some ridiculous interaction is politics? Socials of open source game engine are allowed to joke. People need to stop being offended at jokes like this. Now ask yourself some questions: ⚫ why are people offended at this joke? ⚫ in what way it would a political joke that is offensive? ⚫ why people who are not devs should dictate what words are allowed in jokes made by account of open source engine? Some food for thought: Woke means being aware of important societal issues and problems. It's a dictionary definition https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/woke-meaning-origin Conservative influencers and activists started effort to make this word means something bad around BLM because they didn't want black people to have nice, short word for being aware of injustice and oppression. Why they don't want people to have a word for that? In whose interest it is to make people not aware of issues and oppression? Should they be able to dictate new definitions for words and decide they are too offensive to use even in jokes? If you want to allow those activists dictate forbidden words what else should they dictate? Should those non-technical people be able to force technical decisions too? Should they be able to punish people in communities for not keeping up with what word they consider forbidden? (edited) 9 44 6 6 4 № 3 =6 1 ♥1 1 1 1](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/002/920/422/649.png)
![Domi (its a donor badge lol->) 02/10/2024 21:57 Thanks! Just as I finished my copypasta: Let me stop you right there First, lets go over the facts and the timeline: 1. Someone tells a dev creating a game in godot that using a game engines is woke 2. Godot twitter account posts tweet "Apparently game engines are woke now? Well then, we won't complain Show us your #Wokot games below 3. Conservative influencers and activists start reposting this, attacking the godot foundation and community manager. A lot of trolls starts spewing hate under godot posts 4. In response to raid there's panic mode and a lot of bans, some to people who dont troll 5. In following hours bans are disputed and cleared 6. Conservative influencers and activists continue the hate campaign Common lies: Lie: people are getting banned from GitHub for opinions and can't access the code anymore Truth: people are getting banned from posting new issues in GitHub. They got banned after spamming the issue board with offtop disrupting dev work. They still can read and access the code and newest godot versions. 5 people were banned from spamming issues as stated by the godot team member # about-twitter > Lie: but how the engine is open source if it bans people from discussions? Truth: Because it's on open source license. The license is not granting any discussion rights on game engine socials. Please read the license if you want to come up with "got you" about it. Lie: go woke go broke Truth: Godot lost around 160 euro from backers. At the same time it gained more than 2000 euro from new backers. The total loss in the number is a result of one year long corporate sponsorship of 5000 euro expiring. Lie: why don't you focus on developing the engine not doing politics Truth: A joke about some ridiculous interaction is politics? Socials of open source game engine are allowed to joke. People need to stop being offended at jokes like this. Now ask yourself some questions: ⚫ why are people offended at this joke? ⚫ in what way it would a political joke that is offensive? ⚫ why people who are not devs should dictate what words are allowed in jokes made by account of open source engine? Some food for thought: Woke means being aware of important societal issues and problems. It's a dictionary definition https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/woke-meaning-origin Conservative influencers and activists started effort to make this word means something bad around BLM because they didn't want black people to have nice, short word for being aware of injustice and oppression. Why they don't want people to have a word for that? In whose interest it is to make people not aware of issues and oppression? Should they be able to dictate new definitions for words and decide they are too offensive to use even in jokes? If you want to allow those activists dictate forbidden words what else should they dictate? Should those non-technical people be able to force technical decisions too? Should they be able to punish people in communities for not keeping up with what word they consider forbidden? (edited) 9 44 6 6 4 № 3 =6 1 ♥1 1 1 1](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/920/422/649.png)
Godot Engine User Blocking Controversy / #Wokot
Communication <10%
![Juan Linietsky @reduz@mastodon.gamedev.place Will chill from Twitter/X until after the US elections. Almost all the hate Godot got over the weekend was pretty much people who had not a clue what a game engine is, what Godot is, or what a FOSS / community made project is. Most of the ones who did were the usual haters. Checking profile of haters, majority pro-trump people with weird religious symbology, or people with avatars/obsession for anime little girls. Sometimes I feel I am too innocent for this world. Oct 03, 2024, 07:38 Edited Oct 03, 07:39▼ 20★106](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/002/919/247/0db.png)
![Juan Linietsky @reduz@mastodon.gamedev.place Will chill from Twitter/X until after the US elections. Almost all the hate Godot got over the weekend was pretty much people who had not a clue what a game engine is, what Godot is, or what a FOSS / community made project is. Most of the ones who did were the usual haters. Checking profile of haters, majority pro-trump people with weird religious symbology, or people with avatars/obsession for anime little girls. Sometimes I feel I am too innocent for this world. Oct 03, 2024, 07:38 Edited Oct 03, 07:39▼ 20★106](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/919/247/0db.png)
Godot Engine User Blocking Controversy / #Wokot
"Because Type-B is female."
![Sven Tomasek @sventomasek Everyone's welcome in my game, so I present you with the woke setting! #GodotEngine #Wokot 0:04 SELECT YOUR BODY TYPE Woke Body 1 Body 2 . 5:00 AM - Oct 4, 2024 269 Views 2 27 ☐ 1 ↑](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/002/918/766/124.png)
![Sven Tomasek @sventomasek Everyone's welcome in my game, so I present you with the woke setting! #GodotEngine #Wokot 0:04 SELECT YOUR BODY TYPE Woke Body 1 Body 2 . 5:00 AM - Oct 4, 2024 269 Views 2 27 ☐ 1 ↑](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/918/766/124.png)
Godot Engine User Blocking Controversy / #Wokot
Be Honest. Thank you.
![- <a href="https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/david-beckhams-be-honest-thank-you">David Beckham's "Be Honest. Thank You." </a>](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/002/917/899/613.jpg)
![- <a href="https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/david-beckhams-be-honest-thank-you">David Beckham's "Be Honest. Thank You." </a>](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/917/899/613.jpg)
Godot Engine User Blocking Controversy / #Wokot
Reddit being Reddit
![Conscious_Yam_4753 • 1d ago • there isn't drama, there are politically motivated 4channers trying to create the appearance of drama and controversy. they're an extreme minority, most of them don't even use godot, and their fork is going nowhere Reply Share](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/002/917/149/9cf.png)
![Conscious_Yam_4753 • 1d ago • there isn't drama, there are politically motivated 4channers trying to create the appearance of drama and controversy. they're an extreme minority, most of them don't even use godot, and their fork is going nowhere Reply Share](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/917/149/9cf.png)
Godot Engine User Blocking Controversy / #Wokot
Redot engine
![freakshowgamings @gamer4life4. 22h hi and welcome. what would your stance be on PR on the official redot page? 1.5K Redot reposted Redot @RedotEngine Our stance is this is for promoting the engine, games, and members of the community. This account is NOT a platform for anyone's political or religious ideologies. 9:42 PM - Sep 29, 2024 6,843 Views 178 203 Σ <] ↑](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/002/917/029/eb1.png)
![freakshowgamings @gamer4life4. 22h hi and welcome. what would your stance be on PR on the official redot page? 1.5K Redot reposted Redot @RedotEngine Our stance is this is for promoting the engine, games, and members of the community. This account is NOT a platform for anyone's political or religious ideologies. 9:42 PM - Sep 29, 2024 6,843 Views 178 203 Σ <] ↑](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/917/029/eb1.png)
Godot Engine User Blocking Controversy / #Wokot
Godot project manager on the users being blocked on GitHub
![Rémi Verschelde @Akien 15h I see misunderstanding around Godot blocking some users on its GitHub organization. - We've blocked 5 accounts so far - All opening issues with slurs, harassing contributors (breaching Godot's CoC and GH's ToS) -Blocking users does NOT prevent download of the engine or source Q7 271 395 ill 4.2K Rémi Verschelde @Akien⚫ 15h Blocking users doesn't even prevent them from reading issues and PRs, just interacting with them. You can read and download anything from a GitHub repository as an anonymous (not logged in) user. 'git clone anyone with an Internet connection. Q5 https://github.com/godotengine/godot.... works for 147 il 2.4K Rémi Verschelde @Akien⚫ 28s Just adding as some asked - if you want to quote this to people who still believe we're mass blocking people on GitHub and cutting them off their tech stack, feel free to grab a screenshot. I locked my account while the heat dies down, so you can't easily link those tweets.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/002/916/197/241.png)
![Rémi Verschelde @Akien 15h I see misunderstanding around Godot blocking some users on its GitHub organization. - We've blocked 5 accounts so far - All opening issues with slurs, harassing contributors (breaching Godot's CoC and GH's ToS) -Blocking users does NOT prevent download of the engine or source Q7 271 395 ill 4.2K Rémi Verschelde @Akien⚫ 15h Blocking users doesn't even prevent them from reading issues and PRs, just interacting with them. You can read and download anything from a GitHub repository as an anonymous (not logged in) user. 'git clone anyone with an Internet connection. Q5 https://github.com/godotengine/godot.... works for 147 il 2.4K Rémi Verschelde @Akien⚫ 28s Just adding as some asked - if you want to quote this to people who still believe we're mass blocking people on GitHub and cutting them off their tech stack, feel free to grab a screenshot. I locked my account while the heat dies down, so you can't easily link those tweets.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/916/197/241.png)
Godot Engine User Blocking Controversy / #Wokot
Sorry fellow devs I guess game engines are Woke™
![Natalie Spitzel @nat_the_dev Sorry fellow devs I guess game engines are Woke™ kryztofjønsøn @kryztofcheski • Sep 24 Replying to @AfterWarPlantX @Malice DaFirenze and @GorkaGames It makes sense doesn't it? Woke studios always use pre built engines to make games because they can't build their own engines. 1:22 PM ⚫ Sep 26, 2024 54.2K Views](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/002/915/468/642.jpg)
![Natalie Spitzel @nat_the_dev Sorry fellow devs I guess game engines are Woke™ kryztofjønsøn @kryztofcheski • Sep 24 Replying to @AfterWarPlantX @Malice DaFirenze and @GorkaGames It makes sense doesn't it? Woke studios always use pre built engines to make games because they can't build their own engines. 1:22 PM ⚫ Sep 26, 2024 54.2K Views](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/915/468/642.jpg)
Godot Engine User Blocking Controversy / #Wokot
"It makes sense doesn't it? Woke studios always use pre built engines to make games because they can't build their own engines."
![@GorkaGames · Sep 23 Gorka Games awesome, game engine? 272 165 Alice Ruppert @MaliceDaFirenze · Sep 23 it's UE5 18 Ilil 248K ☐ 1 274 896 ılı 236K ☐ 1 @AfterWarPlantX • Sep 24 AfterWarPlantX Oh so you people just can't develop for s--- 32 271 kryztofjonsøn 12 lu 11K 1 @kryztofcheski It makes sense doesn't it? Woke studios always use pre built engines to make games because they can't build their own engines. 11:08 PM - Sep 24, 2024 · 121.3K Views](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/002/915/466/8f1.jpg)
![@GorkaGames · Sep 23 Gorka Games awesome, game engine? 272 165 Alice Ruppert @MaliceDaFirenze · Sep 23 it's UE5 18 Ilil 248K ☐ 1 274 896 ılı 236K ☐ 1 @AfterWarPlantX • Sep 24 AfterWarPlantX Oh so you people just can't develop for s--- 32 271 kryztofjonsøn 12 lu 11K 1 @kryztofcheski It makes sense doesn't it? Woke studios always use pre built engines to make games because they can't build their own engines. 11:08 PM - Sep 24, 2024 · 121.3K Views](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/915/466/8f1.jpg)
Godot Engine User Blocking Controversy / #Wokot
"Game engine social media accounts shouldn’t be blocking developers. I don’t know what Godot’s social media manager is thinking."
![John Draisey ❤ @JohnDraisey Game engine social media accounts shouldn't be blocking developers. I don't know what Godot's social media manager is thinking. . 10:53 AM - Sep 28, 2024 160.9K Views](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/002/915/458/94f.jpg)
![John Draisey ❤ @JohnDraisey Game engine social media accounts shouldn't be blocking developers. I don't know what Godot's social media manager is thinking. . 10:53 AM - Sep 28, 2024 160.9K Views](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/915/458/94f.jpg)
Godot Engine User Blocking Controversy / #Wokot