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KYM Pony General V: We Just Don't Know What Went Wrong

Last posted Jul 01, 2012 at 04:43PM EDT. Added Feb 19, 2012 at 11:27PM EST
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@kissing ponies
I wouldn't want to kiss any of them mouth to mouth, just a little peck like I do to my pets, nothing more. Also I don't support prostitution and will not pay for sexual favors. Lol

@Brownmane

What can I say, my lips are for humans only. We've all got our preferences. ¯\(o_o)/¯

As for Cadance's biology, the notion of her being some kind of not-alicorn sounds like a real stretch to me. Once again, what evidence is there that Luna and Celestia aged any differently from anyone else as children? Who's to say they didn't reach adulthood at a normal speed and then just stayed there? And since alicorns are so rare, who's to say that it doesn't automatically equal extreme long life? There is simply not enough evidence to say for certain, but I'm trying to look for consistencies rather than exceptions.

Last edited Jun 15, 2012 at 08:16PM EDT

@Millennial Dan

Oh, I'm not arguing that the royal sisters aged differently in their younger years, I'm arguing that apparently new "alicorns" are periodically born. Even if it is a rare occurrence, if they would indeed be naturally long-lived, there would be quite a few of them by now, and they'd be very visible. Given how this is apparently not the case, I can only conclude that being an "alicorn" doesn't grant automatic immortality.

So exactly what makes the Diarchs special? Well, there's a few theories I can think of. Perhaps they were ordinary ponies at one point, but through some ritual were transformed into what they are now. Or they are, indeed, an entirely different breed than any other pony. Again, hard to say.

It's quite true that there's little evidence to go on. But, I feel that the evidence that does exist points to Cadence being a different sort than the princesses.

@Cadence biology
Ok guys, here is my theory:
Harsbro needed a pink alicorn since people wanted celestia to be white. Now they have a pink alicorn that will sell like hot cakes. They know the intended audience wont think about all the questions a new alicorn brings. Plain and simple. It's fun though to discuss these things though.

Unrelated new topic.
Just thought this up; Here's the situation:
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It's the Clone Wars, and Equestria is one of the many systems caught in the middle. So far, no war has made it there, but now they are being pressured to join either the Republic or Seperatist cause.

Celestia listens to your judgement. She wants you to help her make a decision. You have three options:

-Join the Republic. The Republic will do the best to see that no harm comes to your world, but you know that if the Seperatists were to ever break through, their revenge would be brutal. Thousands would be slain and many more enslaved should the Seperatists ever conquer the system.

-Join the Seperatists. Dooku will keep his word, and not affect the land or anything about it. He will leave behind a small fleet to guard the system. However, if the Republic came to take the system, you know that they would try to minimize collateral damage. But, the Clone Army has a reputation for ruining Seperatist-held worlds…badly. Much of the land would be in near-irreperable ruin, and inevitably, some of the Equestrians would be caught in the crossfire.

-Stay neutral. Equestria doesn't choose a side. However, both the Seperatists and the Republic will try to convince you to join them, by force if necessary. It depends on who comes first. Also, you open up to civil anarchy, as hardliners for both sides rally up to challenge your lack of action in the war. Even when one side wins, the land would be damaged from civil war and infighting.

So, what do you do? What is the option that you think would minimalize damage to the beloved land?

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@Dac

This is true. I enjoy in-universe speculation because I like story-telling in general, so it helps me get into it that much more.

Here are a couple more screens I find interesting on this topic:


Notice that when their magic was being mutually augmented, Cadence's mane looked just Celestia's, but Shining Armor's definitely did not. Once they stopped sharing that power, though, her hair returned to normal. This is just another thing that makes me speculate that the only thing that separates her from the Sisters is their amount of magical energy.


@Popper

I'd like to give an answer, but I'm afraid dinner is calling.

Last edited Jun 15, 2012 at 09:01PM EDT

Popper, must you ask.

Join the goddamn Republic. Join the cause that is least likely to stab you in the back, and the one that's proven to work for countless thousands of years. Equestria also seems the kind of society that would back the more 'noble' Republic, especially Celestia, who strikes me as Jedi-ish, in a sense.

Not to mention, who could resist these sexy mofos?

Also, the Jedi are far better than the Sith.

Edit: READ THIS MOTHERFUCKING FUCKER, I FORGET IT WAS A DAMN EDIT! Regarding the alicorn discussion:

Celestia and Luna perform an action far beyond Cadence's abilities, from what we've seen. Cadence is a demigod to Celestia and Luna's god, as well as Discord's titan. It's not far-fetched to believe Cadence has a slightly longer life, a la dwarves and halflings in many fantasy, but not immortality. I find it far more likely that she is of the lineage of a relative of Celestia and Luna, who was likely an alicorn. Throughout generations, though, the bloodline was diluted by unicorns, pegasi, and earth ponies, leading to fewer alicorns being born, instead of every single child being one. So, Blueblood is probably a unicorn cousin of Candence, making both of them great-great-great-great-great-great-etc. nephew/niece to Luna and Celestia.

However, whereas Celestia and Luna probably have a wider magical range, I'd say Cadence has the specialization on love magic, which allowed her to perform that show of force that banished the changelings. She doesn't have the raw power to banish a god to the moon, or wield the Elements of Harmony by herself, but she can spark a love that's about as strong, if not stronger, than the Elements.

So, while not as powerful (and likely far less immortal) than the two sisters, she does has specialized abilities, like many demigods. From what we've seen, the pantheon of Equestria works kind of similar to that of Greece, in that the gods aren't invulnerable, and are just very, very strong versions of mortals. They also have a somewhat limited field, as well. For example, Luna and Celestia are very powerful, but their powers are mostly focused on the sun and moon, respectively. Whereas Discord has a much wider range, spanning all things chaotic and mischievous. Cadence is even more limited than the sisters, in that she can spark love (I don't think create or force it, like the love poison, though). She might not be as powerful in a broad sense, but she can unload a can of whoop-ass when the ball is in her court.

So, in short, I'd say Cadence is 'more immortal' than the average unicorn, but 'less immortal' than the sisters, if that makes sense. She probably has a slightly longer life, but not immortality. She's also not near as powerful as the other two, but she does have immense power in a certain area.

Last edited Jun 15, 2012 at 09:10PM EDT

@Dan
I agree with your 'power levels affect the mane' argument and guess what?
So does Lauren herself! (though she technically has no continuing influence)

Makes sense to me!

@kissing ponies
If I had to pick, I'd go with a unicorn first and foremost.
Would you want to kiss someone who has to use their mouth for everything?
And I mean everything?

Last edited Jun 15, 2012 at 09:29PM EDT

@Candence's Alicorn Powers

For this it might be better to look at the powers first.

  • Candence & Shining Armor using the power of love (so gay).
  • Crysalis using Shining Armor's love.
  • Celestia.
  • Crysalis.
  • Candence.
  • Shining Armor.

Why I went with this order is quite simple:

Shining Armor is just an unicorn, I think we can agree Alicorn > Unicorn when it comes to power. Regular Crysalis was able to defeat and imprison Candence and put Shining Armor under her control, so we can assume she's stronger. When Crysalis was using Shining Armor's love, she was able to defeat Celestia (therefore love-using Crysalis > Celestia). But she was quite suprised by this (going all "even able to defeat Celestia now"), so we can assume without Shining Armor's love she wouldn't be able to beat Celestia. When Candence and Shining armor joined their love forces (that sounds so gay), they were able to beat Crysalis and all her changelings. Which makes them the most powerful combo in this. Stuff like Nightmare Moon and others aren't important for this as we don't have clear data on that, so I'm leaving them out.

Interesting to see is that Candence and Shining Armor were the weakest of the bunch but together became the strongest. By this we can assume that Candence's love for Shining Armor is stronger in levels of power than Shining Armor's love for Candence, as Crysalis wasn't able to use Candence's love when she was at full power during the changeling rebellion. Because there isn't really a factor of one loving the other more in the relationship, the source of Candence's stronger love power must come from her Alicorn genes.

In other words, Candence can pack some punch, but she needs a trigger to fully use her powers (Shining Armor in this case). On the topic of aging, we can't give a conclusion on this yet. When Twilight was a filly, Candence was a teenager (as was Shining Armor). Based on the fact that they're married, we can assume that during their teenage years they aged just as fast. But we haven't seen the future yet. We can't tell if Candence will live to blow 1000 candles, most of which she had to spent without Shining Armor who died from aging. So as long as the facts are not present, we can't draw conclusions on this yet.

Also remember that Candence isn't as tall as the other Unicorns yet. Although Shining Armor might be done growing, we can't tell if Candence will keep growing. The Alicorn genes are a mystery in that as long as the facts are no longer present. Crysalis is a queen and reached the full grown stage, so perhaps she, Luna and Celestia are unique. But again, no facts so no conclusions.

"But Luna and Celestia…". Yes, but remember they were born over a 1000 years ago, most likely a lot more as the stories tell they raised the sun and moon in harmony for quite a while already before the whole Nightmare Moon fiasco. Plus Candence is in no way possible to raise a sun or moon, so we can conclude that Celstia and Luna are a lot stronger. So perhaps the age of the Alicorn is determined by their strength. This then means Candence wouldn't live to become as old as Celestia and Luna. But her dying age, no can tell.

I was bored and Dan's screencaps remembered me of this scene, so made that.

@Zarathh
That really is the first time someone has managed to rustle my jimmies. Something that 4-chan and that creep-o Zed never even got close to accomplish. (His PMs to me were quite the stuff. Let me tell ya.)

@PopperFett
If the Republic isn't going to fuck up everything when Palpatine takes over, then I'm golden.


This is so my feels. Being raised in the ghetto can get frickin' lonely if you're a brony…
Sometimes I feel like my only partner
Sometimes I feel like my only friend is the Princess of Night
Lonely as I am, together we… ahem I think that's enough RHCP for today.
On a side note, guess who got signed with CenturyLink to appear in a few commercials! I bet you can't spot me !

Last edited Jun 15, 2012 at 10:01PM EDT

@Lil Slinker

I don't have any actual brony friends and barely friends in real life
I only have a few brony friends on steam, but still, it feels really lonely to keep something only for yourself and that will ruin the way people see you if you tell them

I just like to think That Luna and Celestia are the only immortal gods, while cadence is, at most, a mortal demigod. I don't like the idea of Cadence marrying a mortal when she is immortal.
@ Dan
I think the reason twilights parents don't seem to have aged is less because ponies age different and more because the animation team only uses four main body types: baby, foal, adult, scrotum. I like to believe that they age about the same as humans.

My personal headcannon concerning Alicorns:

Alright, so this is how I like to think about this crap. A long time ago, the spirits of nature looked down on Equestria and envied the ponies their mortal forms. See, even though the ponies were feeble, shortlived things, they possessed something powerful, something that even the spirits did not. The ponies had the ability to see the world as more than simply the brute sum of its reality. A pony could feel warmth in fire where a spirit would merely feel heat, a pony could hear joy in another's laughter where a spirit would hear only sound. To be a nature spirit was simply to be, to be a pony was good to be.

So, the spirits decided to take on pony form, hence the first alicorns. The spirits of day and night bred with each other, producing two children, Celestia and Luna. Celestia and Luna possess all the power of their noble parentage, inheriting the abilities to raise sun and moon. Their father however, the night spirit, also happened to sire a third daughter on a mere mortal pony. Having only one "spirit" parent, their child did not possess the powers of her half-sisters, nor was she blessed with their long lifespan, but she did inherit the trait of both horn and wings that the alicorns possess.

This third daughter went on to have children of her own, and her children had children, and etc etc until you get down to the present day. Most descendents of the third daughter are like blue blood, just a normal pony with a fancy lineage, but on rare occassions, a pony will be born who has that peculiar trait of both horn and wings.

Cadence might be able to trace herself back to those noble spirits who first descended from the heavens, and she's even got the horn and wings to prove it, but besides that, she's just a regular pony.

Last edited Jun 16, 2012 at 12:04AM EDT

Fifths wrote:

My personal headcannon concerning Alicorns:

Alright, so this is how I like to think about this crap. A long time ago, the spirits of nature looked down on Equestria and envied the ponies their mortal forms. See, even though the ponies were feeble, shortlived things, they possessed something powerful, something that even the spirits did not. The ponies had the ability to see the world as more than simply the brute sum of its reality. A pony could feel warmth in fire where a spirit would merely feel heat, a pony could hear joy in another's laughter where a spirit would hear only sound. To be a nature spirit was simply to be, to be a pony was good to be.

So, the spirits decided to take on pony form, hence the first alicorns. The spirits of day and night bred with each other, producing two children, Celestia and Luna. Celestia and Luna possess all the power of their noble parentage, inheriting the abilities to raise sun and moon. Their father however, the night spirit, also happened to sire a third daughter on a mere mortal pony. Having only one "spirit" parent, their child did not possess the powers of her half-sisters, nor was she blessed with their long lifespan, but she did inherit the trait of both horn and wings that the alicorns possess.

This third daughter went on to have children of her own, and her children had children, and etc etc until you get down to the present day. Most descendents of the third daughter are like blue blood, just a normal pony with a fancy lineage, but on rare occassions, a pony will be born who has that peculiar trait of both horn and wings.

Cadence might be able to trace herself back to those noble spirits who first descended from the heavens, and she's even got the horn and wings to prove it, but besides that, she's just a regular pony.

That sounds very Greek mythology-like… I like it!

You can look at http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicSettingEquestria
This are legit-sounding things about how pinkie pie got her cutie mark…
if you know what i mean

Equestria was originally an uninhabitable hellhole.

Then the ponies, including Celestia, settled an area of it and worked to make it not only livable, but prosperous. Eventually they spread and took the entire area. This ties in with the theory that the series takes place on a future Earth. Humans ruined the planet and died out. Nature took over some areas, but others, like Equestria, remained an uninhabitable wasteland. It is the way it is now because Celestia and Luna got their pony followers to use their magic and abilities to fix everything up. This creates a safe and prosperous haven for ponies, where they're safe from monsters, and their control over the weather and land ensures that they're safe from natural disasters and starvation.

Expanding on my theory here… The "monsters" and other strange creatures are the descendants of genetic expiriments done by the humans a long time ago, though some species were mutated by radiation. This is why many are sentient and why many resemble mythical monsters. Unicorns, pegasi, dragons, and others were used as status symbol pets by the upper classes. Many creatures were created just to expiriment and see if they could do it, and many of the tougher, scarier species were created for shows, exhibits, fighting, and hunting. (let's face it, a sport hunter would pay a lot to hunt a manticore and have it stuffed for his living room)

Also, i personally think that discord the, most human-like experiment created by humans before they died out, an evil mutation of mixing all the experiments done before, maybe as an attempt to create a war beast.
If this is true, them we can say that Humans died out eventually from a war

@Fifths
Headcanon now…
Alright then, I shall discuss my view.
As I said, like the Elves in LOTR
Magic is kind of like magic in any other series, or the Force in SW. It's an ever present force, manipulated by users profecient in it.
Alicorns happen to be a (rare) variety of pony that are more aware and inept to magic than other races. They are sort of prime-ponies, if you understand. Their advanced connection to magic allows them to live longer-than-natural lives and become sort of demi-gods, obviously being able to raise sun and moon.
Immortality though, goes so far. Alicorns, though they tend to be wiser and more aware and capable of defending themselves, are immortal only in the extent of natural life-span. Should one be able to find a way to overpower Celestia or Luna, they could probably end up killing them, permenantly. So they can be killed, just like anyone else, but it's incrediblly hard to do so with how much power they have.
It is commonplace for a society to place the stronger members of it on top in leading positions, which explains the rule of Celestia and Luna. In this case, the ones more magical are the ones in power.
So not exactly divine beings, but beings that happen to be more powerful than any of the others.
As for Cadence, she's probably got the same deal going on in life-span. But she isn't as powerful or wise as her aunts. She's probably powerful, but not that powerful.

Ugh…headcanon infodump coming…
Alright, to know where the alicorns come from, you must know where their creator comes from:
Basically the big bang theory comes in. Matter is thrown around everywhere, but doesn't collect to form planets or suns. The only living thing to form is a being made of pure energy, with the power to use the materials around it to form worlds and their suns.
It creates various worlds, and filling them with life. It tells each planet's new occupants to bring their world to perfection, but it made the inhabitants imperfect. To the being, perfection was doing the best with what you've got. And what its creations got was a few imperfections. Unfortunatly, they took perfection as being rid of all imperfections and sought to destroy everything that was imperfect.
Now we get to all of the various worlds destroying eachother in the name of perfection. Seeing its mistake, the being creates one world different from the rest, with only 3 occupants rather than entire populations, and giving them less violent forms, along with making their science based off magic (another term for energy manipulation) rather than hard sciences which caused the other worlds to become so cold and calculating. These were the first alicorns. Luna, Celestia, and their third sister, Terra. Sun, Moon, and Earth. In the spirit of having a better relationship with its creations, it took a gender like they would have, a female figure. It drew materials into its body and they formed inside it like a normal foal would. It birthed them, one at a time, each about 5-10 years apart. First Celestia, then Luna, then Terra.
It gave them the whole perfection speech like the others, but it did not just hand them everything they needed and left them forever like it did the others. It raised them like a mother would, teaching values and skills. Soon, each of them matured into fine alicorns. When they reached the proper age, they were given a choice: fertility or immortality, and all three would recieve eternal youth. Celestia and Luna chose immortality and were charged with being the guardians of their world. They each recieved a suit of armor to aide in their task.
Terra chose fertility and was charged with populating the world. The being created a mate for her to help her accomplish this task. The mate was a creature of energy, much like the being, but it had a defined shape and genetic code like the alicorns. Every time Terra gave birth its genetics changed to make sure the offspring could reproduce and populate the world. The change in genetics was represented physically by the lack of wings, horn, or both on the offspring. Other variations in the code remained unexpressed and never appeared physically. As she neared the end of her life, she gave birth one last time. The foal this time, however, was an alicorn herself. This was to be the royal bloodline. The foal was not immortal, but it aged a bit slower than the rest of Terra's offspring. Every male in this bloodline is a unicorn, earth pony, or pegasus, and all females are alicorns. None of them are immortal, and the females age slower. All bloodline decendents are able to mate with any normal pony. So we go all the way down the bloodline until we get to Cadence and Blueblood. Blueblood is Cadence's sister, but with him being a dick and all the family decides to pretend he's from a different part of the bloodline.
So yeah, that's my complicated and overthought headcanon.
Bordem makes people do strange things.
And that's just about 1/4 of my headcanon. There's still a whole lotta other crap that needs explaining. Ask and you shall recieve.

Last edited Jun 16, 2012 at 01:01AM EDT

Can i make a request? I'd like some one to find more of those ponified Hiimdaisy dub comics if they could. Those are waaaaaaay to damn funny.

>referring to all of the headcanon posts

Some of them make a fair amount of sense, and some are downright novel. Either way they're all interesting, you guys are pretty creative. As such,

@Pyro

Keep it coming dude, this is one of the most entertaining thread pages I've read in a while.


One last thing.
Nightmare Moon said:

Alicorns don’t age past 25. Celestia may be about 10 years older, but she and I look the same age.

That's basically how I see it. They age normally and then stop once they reach their prime.

Last edited Jun 16, 2012 at 03:32AM EDT

Heyo, fellow bronies. I just came across an intriguing video that decries the BRONYCON documentary but also makes some interesting points about KickStarter projects.

What’s also interesting is that this the alternative account of Ken Ashcorp, the maker of 20% Cooler:

So, what do the rest of you think?

@Derpy Vazquez

And now you all know how much of a man whore I am…
So…

Who wants to throw a smexy party?~*

EDIT: Let me clear something up. We didn't have to get sex changes for Saturday? …Oh crap.

So anyway, about that alicorn backstory. You all make some interesting headcanon. I for one, with my love of Greek mythology and the Greek myth influences of the show combined with my serious uncreativity for such things, think that the concept that alicorns are basically the equivelant of demigods is pretty fitting. Like how there were a pantheon that formed up the Elements of Harmony, and how there was maybe a few alicorns before they were all either killed or punished for some trite reason or other. Also, I consider that this also supports why the Elements of Harmony were able to defeat Discord and Nightmare Moon. Y'know. The essence of powerful dieties and stuff. Well there's my two cents. I know y'all will most likely ignore this due to…^ahem. So yeah…

Last edited Jun 16, 2012 at 04:16AM EDT

@Dan
You asked, and you shall recieve….
Explaination on Discord and the Elements
Throughout time there has always been a balance in the forces of the universe. Chaos vs. Order, Good vs. Evil. They have been locked in battle for ages, keeping the universe in balance. If one was to be released from the struggle into the real world, then the other would follow suit and bring the battle to us.
The being decided that Celestia and Luna needed a backup in case their powers failed them in protecting their world. "Mother" (I'm calling her mother because that's what she essentialy was to them) looked deep into the energy of the cosmos and found a universal force for good and harmony. She exracted it and made the Elements, giving three to each sister. Unfortunatly, this action disrupted the balance, and the other side of the conflict was released, creating the Elements' exact opposite: The Orders of Chaos. The orders were destructive and were released to maintain balance. And if the Elements had hearlds, then the Orders needed one as well.
The need for balance combined with the Orders' power gave rise to Discord, the hearld of the Orders and the bringer of chaos. His arrival took the sisters by suprise. Mother tried to intervene, but even the architect could not stop the need for balance. Discord took rule of what the sisters had built, turning it into his own personal playground. He was eventually defeated and sealed away, but the Orders hid, biding their time until he was released again.
Chrysalis
Creating a world always leaves a mess behind. In this case, fusing together materials created a sort of primordial sludge that was left in a giant pool on their world's surface. Already having alicorns to handle the physical aspect on it, it required balance again. From the primordial sludge and the world's need for balance, Chrysalis rose to handle the more "emotional" side of the world. Her and the sisters quickly became friends, and soon she was doing what she was meant to do: take care of the emotional balance of their world.
But she had no intended place in this world. She was an extra piece that wasn't planned for. She was imperfect. She was full of love and emotion, but she unknowingly sapped others of theirs. Celestia had no choice but to lock her away. In her isolation she felt so cut off, so incomplete without all the emotions she felt. Her body deteriorated to match the emptiness she felt inside.
Then one day she got out.
And she wasn't happy.
She went back to the pool of sludge she had been birthed from and did a little creation of her own…and that's how changelings came about. They are mindless drones created to steal love and emotion, and bring them back to her so she may try and be complete again. Unfortuantly, stolen emotion will not fill the holes, so she keeps moving from place to place trying to get her fix, bringing her horde with her like a swarm of locusts.
More will come later, I've got some more stuff to do that requires my attention

Last edited Jun 16, 2012 at 04:24AM EDT

ATACpilot112 wrote:

Heyo, fellow bronies. I just came across an intriguing video that decries the BRONYCON documentary but also makes some interesting points about KickStarter projects.

What’s also interesting is that this the alternative account of Ken Ashcorp, the maker of 20% Cooler:

So, what do the rest of you think?

Wow…
That guy is just an ass…

While he had a couple good points, the whole thing was so bogged down in an overwhelming sense of self-righteous indignation that I could barely stand to listen to it.
I know nothing about the first project he talked about so I can't say anything there, but he clearly put almost no research into talking about the Bronycon Doc.

He said something like 'When you need to get TV celebrities to endorse your love of a cartoon, it's pathetic' apparently without realizing that this is being created by those TV personalities.
John De Lancie came up with the idea all on his own, not us.
Tara Strong and Lauren Faust joined in because they wanted to, not because anyone forced them.
His whole premise that it's just some big masturbatory exercise for the fans kinda falls flat on its face when it's being done by someone not in the community.

Yes, it will probably be overwhelmingly positive, but it's being made by people who like the fandom and is more about the sudden and unexpected explosion in popularity than the crazier, seedier underbelly (that exists in any fandom, btw).
Bringing up bad points, no matter how minor, just so that you can bring up bad things seems really dumb.
(And did he seriously call Ask Molestia a 'rape fantasy?' Seriously?)

Oh, and I just love how, without any evidence, he just assumes (without evidence, mind you) that they won't film any '7s or below' yet insists that we're all overweight 'neckbeards' (Good God, I hate that word) which would apparently imply that this film about fans will contain no footage of fans. Odd…
There are plenty of other unwarranted assumptions in there as well (only talk about ponies, temporary friendships) but I'm really just sick of thinking about this guy now so I'm done.

His whole rant is based on false information and prejudicial thinking about both the film-makers and the fans so I find almost no merit in it at all.

Also, though it has no effect on the validity of his argument, I have always despised that song so that's just a nice little capper for my dislike of this guy.

(Sorry if I'm a little uncharacteristically abrasive above, but these types of people really piss me off. I need infinite cookies to make me feel better now.)

ATACpilot112 wrote:

Heyo, fellow bronies. I just came across an intriguing video that decries the BRONYCON documentary but also makes some interesting points about KickStarter projects.

What’s also interesting is that this the alternative account of Ken Ashcorp, the maker of 20% Cooler:

So, what do the rest of you think?

Who is this guy and what makes his opinion so important? Let alone accurate?

Actually don't bother answering that question

Without knowing anything about the documentary beforehand he immediately jumps to the assumption that it must be a desperate plea to justify why the fandom exists…really Ken?
He seems to think that we asked the film makers directly for a documentary as if it mattered what people think of us…no, we never did. We never required anyone to come along and have to explain us to anyone.

The Bronycon documentary is just something that a bunch of independent film makers wanted to do on their own volition, probably because they were tired of how condescending and/or bias other reports on the matter had been. Whatever their reason, that's their business and its fine. If Mr. Ashcop wants to bitch about that, that's his own problem. He's crying about an issue that only exists to him as far as I can tell.

If he wants to know why Bronies funded it so much, it's because there are a lot of us and we are all love attention, pure and simple. NOT because we need it in order to survive in society

He may be right that if the documentary only addresses one side of the fandom then it's not going to be a quality documentary but hey, maybe they will address both sides, we don't that yet and there's no point panicking about that right now.

Is it going to be pointless? I don't think so. He had a point about his first example being worthless because it doesn't really address anything that isn't already well understood but he can't argue that Bronies are well understood in the same way.

My verdict: Just another Youtube ranter.

On a final note: I don't like his music either.

@the guy who was talking about the brony con documentary

Hmm, he did seem a little self righteous but considering I don't really care to see the documentary, I don't really care. He makes some ok points that I agree with though. And also, molestia is about rape, She penetrates ponies without their consent, but considering the Internet always jokes about that( prepare your anus, you gonna get raped, etc) it's not even something that he should have brought up.

@Bronycon doc thing
My main concern is not so much the documentary (I'm sure it in itself will help public view of us temporarily), but what happens afterword.
I'm sure people will become more curious as to what we are, and probably will search what we see.
Unfortunately, that isn't going to end well.
Face it: we don't have the cleanest ledger. In fact, we have so much dirt on it, many will start to only see dirt rather than the good things that come out of us as well.
We know that ALL fandoms have their share of R34 and sexualized stuff, causing a public disinterest and general disapproval, but the problem for us is that we are an MLP fandom that has that stuff too, probably causing a VERY negative reaction.
So we don't have to worry about the documentary, we should worry about the publicity after, and how much dirt they find.


EDIT- Now let's stop getting worried, let's talk about something good.
Such as, you can go on an adventure with any of the ponies. Describe what kind of adventure and what it would entail.
I am not limiting you. Repeat, there are NO LIMITS. Speak your mind. I'm interested to see what you'll say.

Last edited Jun 16, 2012 at 11:33AM EDT

@Bronycon doc thing:

If he wants to voice his opinion, let him. I for one, don't care what he has to say, because he's talking about stuff that has no base, as we've seen no development for the documentary, much less any completed work on it.

He's wrong of course about many thing, but I don't really even give a fuck. It's obvious none of us are listening to him, so he's punching at thin air, trying to get his opinions out. That's alright, and everything, because it's his opinion and he's allowed to voice it.

I also have a write to dismiss him and say his opinions are a load of shit. Which I will. Because I just don't give a fuck.

As for what Popper said, regarding the public finding the dirt…

I could go on about how the public thinks badly of most of the internet, and anybody with common sense will know that r34 exists, so it won't hamper us too badly. And, fuck's sake, it's not like public opinion has ever held us back, or even bother us. Anybody who has the fortitude to browse the internet extensively isn't going to care about r34, and won't be bother that bronies have it.

Why? Because everyone has it.

@Popper regarding the adventure:

Killing Discord and other MAGGOTS! with Celestia.

Last edited Jun 16, 2012 at 11:37AM EDT

@DeadParrot ragefest

Goooooood DeadParrot, gooood. Overreact to some trivial moron, feel the rage build at his condescending ignorance, it makes you strong, gives you focus.

Now, send me your Rainbow Dash plush and your training shall truly be complete!

(Where's that Scoot gif from by the way? It looks like it's from the show, but I don't recall it.)

@Popperfett

I wouldn't be too worried about it. I mean, how deep do you really expect the curious people to dig? The ones who would overreact probably won't get much further than Equestria daily, and the ones who know how to find our seedy underbelly are probably familiar enough with the internet to expect what they find.

Personally, I think it'd be pretty ballsy if De Lancie and company tried to give a fair coverage of that seedy underbelly. Sure, now that would kick up a shitstorm, but I think it'd be worth it. I mean, bronies are a weird ass sociological phenomenon, and the cloppers and R34 is the blue cherry right on top of the weird sunday, I think it'd make a great documentary if they neither tried to justify or villify us, but just show us.

@Pony adventure

I think you all know me well enough to know what I'll say here.

A quiet evening's study with Twilight Sparkle and a cup of tea. Eeyup

Last edited Jun 16, 2012 at 11:45AM EDT

Been gone for 3 days look at all the good sh*ts I've just missed.

>Puts reading glasses on.

LET'S DO THIS!!

@Unrelated

You guys do still remember MisterDavie with his infamous "Cupcake" video right?

Well.. um…

Bruelock wrote:

Been gone for 3 days look at all the good sh*ts I've just missed.

>Puts reading glasses on.

LET'S DO THIS!!

@Unrelated

You guys do still remember MisterDavie with his infamous "Cupcake" video right?

Well.. um…

some of the comments on that video are kinda creepy

@Fifths
Yeah…
It was 2 or 3 a.m. when I wrote that.
It just annoys me when people get up on a massive high-horse (yay, puns!) based entirely on easily falsifiable information.
They start out on the wrong foot, so nothing they say after that has any bearing and just turns into a random insult-fest.
I know he doesn't matter in the slightest but hey, this is a discussion board.
Might as well discuss.

And you leave Dashie out of this, you.
You are only going to make posting pictures of her (when I actually get her) so much more fun. =)
Then the jimmies will be on the other… what are jimmies on?

(That gif is from the very end of Call of the Cutie. Right after they form the Crusaders and start partying, AB steers them away from her cupcakes and to the cookies. For whatever reason, I can just stare at that and it makes me smile no matter what.)

@R34 in documentary
I agree that that would be a very compelling place to take it, despite how unlikely it is to happen.
We do know that at least Tara is directly aware of it according to her early Twitter posts, so who knows?
I'm really just interested in seeing what they put together now that their funding and plans have expanded five-fold.

DeadParrot222 wrote:

Wow…
That guy is just an ass…

While he had a couple good points, the whole thing was so bogged down in an overwhelming sense of self-righteous indignation that I could barely stand to listen to it.
I know nothing about the first project he talked about so I can't say anything there, but he clearly put almost no research into talking about the Bronycon Doc.

He said something like 'When you need to get TV celebrities to endorse your love of a cartoon, it's pathetic' apparently without realizing that this is being created by those TV personalities.
John De Lancie came up with the idea all on his own, not us.
Tara Strong and Lauren Faust joined in because they wanted to, not because anyone forced them.
His whole premise that it's just some big masturbatory exercise for the fans kinda falls flat on its face when it's being done by someone not in the community.

Yes, it will probably be overwhelmingly positive, but it's being made by people who like the fandom and is more about the sudden and unexpected explosion in popularity than the crazier, seedier underbelly (that exists in any fandom, btw).
Bringing up bad points, no matter how minor, just so that you can bring up bad things seems really dumb.
(And did he seriously call Ask Molestia a 'rape fantasy?' Seriously?)

Oh, and I just love how, without any evidence, he just assumes (without evidence, mind you) that they won't film any '7s or below' yet insists that we're all overweight 'neckbeards' (Good God, I hate that word) which would apparently imply that this film about fans will contain no footage of fans. Odd…
There are plenty of other unwarranted assumptions in there as well (only talk about ponies, temporary friendships) but I'm really just sick of thinking about this guy now so I'm done.

His whole rant is based on false information and prejudicial thinking about both the film-makers and the fans so I find almost no merit in it at all.

Also, though it has no effect on the validity of his argument, I have always despised that song so that's just a nice little capper for my dislike of this guy.

(Sorry if I'm a little uncharacteristically abrasive above, but these types of people really piss me off. I need infinite cookies to make me feel better now.)

heres the thing I HATE KICKSTARER its miss used so much and half of the projects never get off the ground he had some nice points however but people can chose to fund stuff and isn't there a comic con doc out so why not a brony one they had a great impact on the internet so why not hell i even heard of a furry doc being made so why not?
to this day i have not see a good anit brony agrment that give a good point against bronys its always
they fap to ponies (you should care what someone faps to is not your buissess) or they over wight
and ugly man chinden really because i know a lot of bronies who are not like that
i don't like to just say " fuck things like this its to small" because i like to deal with hate instead of trowing it under the mat

Last edited Jun 16, 2012 at 12:17PM EDT

Memelord wrote:

heres the thing I HATE KICKSTARER its miss used so much and half of the projects never get off the ground he had some nice points however but people can chose to fund stuff and isn't there a comic con doc out so why not a brony one they had a great impact on the internet so why not hell i even heard of a furry doc being made so why not?
to this day i have not see a good anit brony agrment that give a good point against bronys its always
they fap to ponies (you should care what someone faps to is not your buissess) or they over wight
and ugly man chinden really because i know a lot of bronies who are not like that
i don't like to just say " fuck things like this its to small" because i like to deal with hate instead of trowing it under the mat

What's Kickstarer?

@Bruelock:

Zar posted that earlier.

Farts and laughs made RandomMan laugh.

GREAT SUCCESS!

@DeadParrot:

I'm on the verge of buying a Celestia plushie.

Or getting my mom to make one. Which raises the idea that she could sew plushies and sell them on eBay for massive profit…

@Thor:

I thought gods were eloquent.

I really don't mind what you guys or anybody think about anything. Everyone has their likes and dislikes and I fully respect that. The only thing that bothers me is when this thread gets pissed off when someone just shared a different opinion. This guy didn't say anything offensive to bronies really, he just said that the doc was gonna suck because it will most likely be biased and bronies shouldn't try justify their like for the show and just like it. He also went on to say that its fine to like cartoons as long as you dont shove it in eveyones face and I think he said he was a brony. Pretty reasonable really. He said some dumb things I guess and ranted a little, but don't we all do that when ranting about something we dislike? yes. So why are people here calling him a moron and saying his opinions are shit? Because you want the doc to be made and he doesn't. Im not saying you should agree with him, but "love and tolerate"( or live and let live as I prefer to say). He didn't really say anything that inflammatory.

Dac wrote:

I really don't mind what you guys or anybody think about anything. Everyone has their likes and dislikes and I fully respect that. The only thing that bothers me is when this thread gets pissed off when someone just shared a different opinion. This guy didn't say anything offensive to bronies really, he just said that the doc was gonna suck because it will most likely be biased and bronies shouldn't try justify their like for the show and just like it. He also went on to say that its fine to like cartoons as long as you dont shove it in eveyones face and I think he said he was a brony. Pretty reasonable really. He said some dumb things I guess and ranted a little, but don't we all do that when ranting about something we dislike? yes. So why are people here calling him a moron and saying his opinions are shit? Because you want the doc to be made and he doesn't. Im not saying you should agree with him, but "love and tolerate"( or live and let live as I prefer to say). He didn't really say anything that inflammatory.


here now
lets all stop fighting

@Thor
I would love to see someone take on the challenge of making a furry documentary.
I'm not one, but their status as universal internet whipping boys has always bothered me.
I've seen quite a few of them, and almost none of them live up to any of the stereotypes that are always thrown around.
Their communities also tend to be some of the nicest and most tolerant that I have ever seen, probably based on their position at the bottom bringing them together.
I've always said that bronies should feel some kind of connection to furries (as well as any other marginalized groups of people with 'odd' interests) in that we are both members of communities that are widely misunderstood and vilified by those outside it.
Unfortunately, it's far easier to displace hate onto something else than to try to fight it directly so, humans being humans, little is ever done on a large scale.

@Fridge
Kickstarter is a site designed to allow for public project funding.
Basically, you can post an idea that you would like to do and an estimated budget, and anyone can come in and donate if they like it.
The Bronycon documentary raised $322,000 this way!
Here's their info page if you want to know more: WHAT IS KICKSTARTER?

@Dac
I certainly believe that he has every right to express his opinion on the matter and in fact, I share most of his opinions to a certain degree.
My problem was his blatant factual errors that he then based his following opinions on.
Disliking it is just fine, but if you are going to try to convince others to see your position on the issue, at least put in the effort to accurately describe what you are arguing against.
It probably doesn't come across in text well, but I really don't care what he thinks very much.
In fact,

I just get tired of seeing people complaining from false premises.

@Dac

Oh don't get me or anyone else here wrong. To speak for myself I wasn't mad when I posted my response to that video. That guys opinion is just as valid as everyone else's here.

I just didn't see his opinion as relevant or accurate and my post was passing it off as such.

It's not like I have a problem with the guy personally. I'm just saying that his problem is his and his alone.

Bruelock wrote:

Been gone for 3 days look at all the good sh*ts I've just missed.

>Puts reading glasses on.

LET'S DO THIS!!

@Unrelated

You guys do still remember MisterDavie with his infamous "Cupcake" video right?

Well.. um…

That was really stupid. The animation was nice, yes, but the person who made this was trying WAY too hard to be hotdiggedydemon.

Oh, the guy who made the Cupcakes video? That explains a lot.

Zarathh wrote:

*insert obligatory daily picture here*

Insert obligatory Dash-gasm

@DeadParrot

I don't know what the jimmies are on, but whatever it is is going to collapse under their massive weight and sporadic rustling once you post those pictures.

Come on man, be responsible. I mean, I figure my massive rage-slaughter will wear off before I reach California, so you're (probably) safe, but think of all the innocent bystanders who will die in my wake.

Shits gonna be biblical.

Last edited Jun 16, 2012 at 03:17PM EDT

Bruelock wrote:

Been gone for 3 days look at all the good sh*ts I've just missed.

>Puts reading glasses on.

LET'S DO THIS!!

@Unrelated

You guys do still remember MisterDavie with his infamous "Cupcake" video right?

Well.. um…

Wow that was really well animated, I thought it was canon until (sniff, sniff)

Derpy died.

Skeletor-sm

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