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Well, guess this is the wrong time to butt in. Anyways, I'm currently checking this on my phone and it's truly bothersome .
Also, page get.

Thanks for giving me the mental image of my brother humping Cadance. If you'll excuse me…

Most of my standpoint on the previous page matches with what Deadparrot and BSoD already said, so it saves me the tl;dr. Instead, let's look at the concept of "fandom" in general.

Fandom is a term used to refer to a subculture composed of fans characterized by a feeling of sympathy with others who share a common interest, on the internet this commonly refers to topics such as a movie series or a tv show. Fans typically are interested in even minor details of their fandom (fanart, fanfics, etc) and spend a significant portion of their time and energy involved with their interest. Social networks, meetups, or even Cons, are not uncommon.

Being in a fandom is being in a group of people who like what you like. Each fandom, no matter something kiddy as MLP or something more mature as Supernatural all share the following things:

• Cosplay (or Fursuits if you want to get specific)
• Merchandise makers: Figurines, toys, plushes, keychains, you fucking name it.
• Conventions and (local) meetups.
• Large quantities of fanworks (fics, art, vids, music).
• Large quantities of porn (it's still the internet).
• Weird fetishes revolved around specific fandom details.
• Obsessions only a true fan will get, but makes an outsider avoid them or raise an eyebrow.
• Overreacting over (sudden, unexpected) canon concepts.
• Forums and Imageboards, groups in social media, fandom blogs.
• Haters, no fandom goes without them.
• The loud obnoxious minority both fans and outsiders love to hate.
• And last but certainly not least: A common interest they all love.

And if you're going to judge another fandom for being guilty of the exact same thing that your fandom has as well, you are missing the complete point of being in a fandom and should start questioning yourself what the fuck you are doing in one. Sure, each fandom has its sides even the fans hate, but that doesn't mean the entire fandom is like that.

Jimmy Lethal wrote:

I don’t want to bash furries, but we (for the most part) are way more mature.
The glorious Brony master race.

If you look at the concept of fandoms with shows such as My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic; Avatar: The Legend of Aang & Korra; Adventure Time; motherf*cking Pokémon; Digimon; Spongebob Squarepants; Dexter's Laboratory; Powerpuff Girls. And then compare it to something like Furries. Then the Furry fandom is the least I'd call "childish" based on the concept they follow and MLP: FiM has the lowest target audience.

At this point that argument of Jimmy already had GHB mixed in its drink and everything that followed. Better let it get into therapy now instead of abusing it even further.

BSoD wrote:

Sorry for the page’s sudden turn to serious TL;DR’s. As you can see I have some strong feelings regarding how fandoms (all of them) should be treated. So even though I am not a furry, I’m often quick to defend them whenever I see people bashing them on this thread or in the MLP image gallery. Same goes for other fandoms

I don't see why you should apologise over that. It's good to have a discussion over a wider concept again instead of either image dumps or show overanalyzing. Only thing that bothers me is that when we finally have this discussions the large amount of tl;dr posters is never here. Other than that I follow your standing, I really disgust blind hating and finding oneself superior over trivial and meaningless points.

xTSGx wrote:

Thanks for giving me the mental image of my brother humping Cadance. If you’ll excuse me…

Thanks for giving me the mental image of xTSGx' brother humping Cadance. If you’ll excuse me…

DP Wrote:

You owe furries the benefit of the doubt because they are people.

Yah, I basically agree with that. It's kind of the main argument against any kind of fandom bashing: you not getting it doesn't make it wrong, and it's better to just let people have their fun so long as they don't hurt anyone else.

@Furries

I didn't really know much about Furries before it had been posted here, I mean I have seen art and costumes but I wasn't aware that it was all connected, although the style itself unless it's done in a cute way doesn't really appeal to me. The idea of anthropomorphic animals in the furry sub-culture seems to take a lot of its inspiration and style from the classic Disney age of animation who really defined the idea in Pinocchio, and there have been many series which do remind me of that and that I do enjoy, and although most of it doesn't really appeal to me, and I'd not ever dress up in a horse-MLP costume let alone just an animal costume I can still see why to people of different tastes that would be enjoyable. The sexual side of it does weird me out but there's a sexual side to everything (rule34) the MLP stuff weird's me out also but just because it's not my thing what other people do in their own time provided it doesn't hurt anyone doesn't really bother me, each to their own.

I don't like it if someone personally calls me a furry in the same way I don't like it if someone called me a fan of Twilight (the book series not the pony) or another thing which I'm not apart of purely because It's incorrect though I'd correct them politely and I can see that from an outsider perspective the differences wouldn't be so clear, as for Bronies on a whole being confused with Furries the same principles apply but in all honesty things this minor I just don't have the effort to be bothered about and if anyone were willing to go into rage about being confused with a Furry I'd say were being pedantic in all honesty.

Hey, come on. Maybe they're wrestling and he's about to do an O'Connor Roll. Right?

Right?

@Jimmy

Gotta say man, I've seen afew too many full fledged brony shitstorms on sites like youtube and devientart to ignore that bit about most of us being more mature.

Not that I don't get it. Seeing "teh haterz!" act like they're taking some noble stand against the people I like to hang with the most on the internet kinda jitters my critters too sometimes.

But some of the angry brony comments I've seen…

Is it just me or does gilda being in this pic throw it off a bit?

@Gilda In That Pic: It's because she's the only griffon. That, and I don't think any of them are evil anymore, or at least not truly evil. Sunset and Trixie learned their lesson, Lightning Dust probably learned hers as well, Gilda was probably caught on an off day, and Diamond Tiara and Silver Spoon are just a couple of bratty half-pints.

I used to be a Furry, don't hate them for that reason but certain things piss me off about Furry but I'm sure that's not too unreasonable.

In any case, Rainbow Dash is best duck.

@RM

I don’t see why you should apologise over that. It’s good to have a discussion over a wider concept again instead of either image dumps or show overanalyzing.

Just to clarify; I wasn't apologising for long posts. But rather for (presumably) buzzkilling with my political standpoints

@Crash

Just out of curiosity, what made you change your mind?

What made me stop being a furry? Honestly, I just lost interest.
As bad as it might sound I was only ever there for the pervy stuff and I'm very anthropocentric so when I pulled away from the pervy stuff there was basically nothing left for me. And the stuff that bothered me only got more grating.
Though to be honest while that explains it mostly, I did have a big drama-filled exit that probably sealed the deal.

Well, I WAS going to make another Tl;DR post about how I'm really starting to get annoyed by the fandom lately to go along with everyone else's Tl;DR posts. But then I said "Fuck that" and decided to come up with a new Discussion to take our minds away from this negativity.

Ahem, Pony. Discuss.

Sorry, couldn't resist, carry on.

I'd have to agree, I do sometimes romanticize and imagine everyone in the fandom being mature and intelligent but then that fantasy easily goes away then there's a shitstorm on a Youtube video (Equestria Girls trailer has the best examples of these).

I try to avoid fighting with anyone online if it's not civil discussion so I just ignore such comments but in my head this is what I'm thinking:

Hey, Hey, Hey, my homeskillet biscuits! I just remembered that we have about 3 months or so before the upcoming season arrives! Everyone ready to rock on? I apologize for the peppiness, I've been eating a ton of chocolate cake!

@Furry bashing and fandoms

Eh…I can't help but have a certain measure of disdain for all parties involved. So there are some weirdos that dress up in fursuits, who honestly gives a flying fuck? What kind of knuckle dragging, slawjawed nitwit does it take to actually think they're worth getting on the computer and bitching about? Furthermore, how sheltered is the soul who feels it worthy to get up in arms because said nitwit said something that might hurt the furies' feelings? Fur suits can be taken off and nasty internet comments leave as soon as you turn off the computer. Nothing we say or do here is even approaching the shadow of a passing resemblance to something vaguely noteworthy.

Fandoms and the drama that accompanies them are not important. You can either be entertained by the silly internet shit or you can get off your lazy ass and go find some real injustice to fight, but goddamn, will you just stop pissing and moaning about this inconsequential nonsense?

BSoD and Deadparrot, I love you both, but you're both naïve as hell…just the way I like my bitches.

I used to think that bronies where more mature than most fandoms. I have never been so wrong. Most furries are normal people so we shouldn't judge them just because some of them are insane crazy. Remember, there are insane crazy bronies too.

Since we're on topic, I saw this at the pony convention I was at last weekend.

Would any of you wear something like this?
Not gonna lie. I would.

Okay, not to get off topic, but I wanna know just who the hell is disliking Mark's story. That story is the best goddamn crackfic ever.

@Disturbed: No, I would not wear it. The face alone looks like some kind of man-eating demon.

I guess i'll use this reaction image again…

@Jimmy Lethal
dunno. Who wants to be in that fanfic anyway?

no, i am not that downvoter. i don't even vote so much.

Hey guys there must be a brony-con starting in 2 Aug. Who is intented to go? Animated James mentioned that earlier. What is your plan?

@Disturbed: That suit reminds me of something I saw on /mlp/ about fursuits. Needless to say it ended up in porn. Ugh.

I would never wear such costume. Maybe a shirt or an Unicorn hat, but not a full body costume.
Maybe something like this:

Really, I'd totally use it.

@Derpy Vasquez
Sorry I said your first name. I happened to come across it in Pony General I. And the thread was so innocent in the beginning too.

@Furry bashing
I don't say much and maybe it's not important. I never met anyone who told me that he/she was a furry and I'm not sure if all furries are perverted or gross. But shit did hit the fan with that CSI episode about furries. What if our roles we're switched and we we're the ones being bashed?

Sorry, if I derailed the topic. Here's a Hero Factory and Bionicle Pony


I didn't make that.

So the BC convention got coverage on Huffington Post. If that counts as impressive anymore (no, probably not). And they talk about the Jerry Springer thing for some reason. Actually, it's a pretty unremarkable article. Why the heck did I post this?

So yah, anyway, there's a MLP convention in British Columbia, if anyone is in the area.

So, I decided to make a ponysona of myself.

Looking back… I look a lot like Flash Sentry here. My cutie mark is nunchucks because Jimmy Lethal (geddit?), which is the same reason I have a sharp horn.

I'd say in the beginning Bronies would've been one of the more mature fandoms as that time we were the 'untrollable' fanbase where it would be a wonder to see a brony get butthurt. But that happens like everyday now, a butthurt brony is as common as an internet badass on an internet forum these days…….SERIOUSLY What happened?! It's so easy to make a brony butthurt! I ended up making one butthurt today on ACCIDENT when I commented months ago on Double Rainboom (yeah, someone dug through the months of history to reply to my comment) where basically the whole thing went like:

Youtuber: I think Double Rainboom is better than any episode of the show!
Me: I dunno, the whole Powerpuff Girl's sequence seemed pretty forced.
Youtuber: Well you're just butthurt because you didn't make anything like Double Rainboom! Get lost fag.

I lost the happy, but the happy is back!

I would jump from the top of the Burj Khalifa without a parachute into a giant jar of barbed wire and salt for that hat.

NOTE: I'm sorry for acting like a complete and utter douchebag who can't accept anybody else's headcanon today. I learned two things: to be more accepting of people, and to not to continue to argue when I know I'll just embarrass myself. As a compensation, have this:

@Disturbed

I personally wouldn't wear it, but I generally don't cosplay as anything non-human for practicality reasons, the costume seems a little much in my opinion though I'd probably think it was cool if I'd saw someone else wearing it.. Just I wouldn't be interested in dressing like that and if I'm honest the female bronies conquer the cosplay side of the fandom. Human versions of MLP characters usually look the best and some gender swapped costumes can look pretty good, but it can just as easily look extremely strange such as a male 40-something Octavia I saw at London Film and Comic Con (though he was walking around stroking his mane so.. that probably didn't help). The only MLP cosplays I would do would be human Doctor Whooves (which would just be The Doctor but with a Whooves cutie-mark badge) or human Flash Sentry, which I was going to go as but since I was short on time I just went as Dipper Pines from Gravity Falls (my other favorite cartoon).

Just gonna leave this here

Carlos!

@Fifths

BSoD and Deadparrot, I love you both, but you’re both naïve as hell…just the way I like my bitches.

Funny how you call me the naive one when you're presuming that I'm the bitch in our relationship. Looks like someone's ready for a spanking. Report to my bedroom

PS: The leather and chains have arrived in the mail. Make sure you collect those before entering

Anyway, sorry if I sounded naive for presuming any furry would be offended by Jimmy's offhand comment. But that's not what I was concerned about to begin with. The main point from my post is that it's incredibly hypocritical to me when fandoms bash other fandoms

So my post wasn't trying to apologise for Furries but to warn Bronies from making themselves look bad. This sentiment had a history to develop:

You see there was a time when all the Image gallery Bronies on KYM had a massive anti-Furry movement and some Bronies were even going into the Furry pages to insult Furries. The Furries were unharmed, but it did a great job of making every last Brony on KYM look like a jackass. So you see, me and other posters quickly condemned this behavior with those same arguments I gave. Any further attempts to start that drama again will, by countermeasure protocol, receive a swift response from me. Hope that makes sense.

As far as maturity goes for this fandom, it's really hard to say. It's different between community.

And even then, things change. The KYM bronies had periods of significant immaturity in the past: Spamming other pages, allowing trolls to attain victory over them, complaining about downvoters etc. Then there came a point where it improved significantly and that was the time where the KYM bronies decided to stop giving trolls power (The "untrollable" days). I was very proud of the fandom that day. To this date, the KYM bronies are absolutely trollable but a lot less so now that people are learning how to deal.

Meanwhile elsewhere on the web there are still communities of Bronies that are perfect role models and others that piss everybody off

@fursuits

Yeeeeaaaaaaaa…nah. Wouldn't try those things on. I never liked constumes

@BSoD
Never apologize for long text posts, man…

@Fifths
I keep getting ninja'd by BSoD, but yeah, basically that.
It's less of a 'jumping to the defense of furries' and more of a commentary on the type of people who go around acting like jerks to people based on misinformation or for no reason at all.
I just get sick and tired of seeing people act like judgmental assholes, whatever the context.
Yeah, in the bigger picture, I totally understand that what I type here is 'irrelevant' to the larger issues of the world, people will continue to hate for no reason, and we all just have to live with that, but still- every bit helps.
Yes, people need to grow thicker skins at times and stop being so deeply insulted by the barbs thrown at them, but that doesn't mean that asking people to stop throwing barbs in the first place is somehow unneeded.
We're just making conversation and asking people to maybe consider being a little bit more understanding and less stupid, and that applies to 'real life' just as much as it does to fandom interactions.
Consider it a call for decency.

On to other stuff!

Another odd loop has been created here, I think…
I don't know, there's just something funny to me about re-animating a sequence that was originally made using clips from the show.
What kind of crazy recursion is this?

Previous topic rewind!

That's actually pretty close to what i always imagined!
Neat!

Well… look what someone actually made:

Yup, you can really download and use it in-game, should you be so inclined: Pink Fluffy Unicorn Dancing on Rainbows!

@DeadParrot222

First of all, I take a special kind of glee in recursion, so that video is basically crack to me.

Insofar as little ponies being little is concerned, someone actually made a chart back in season one calculating their heights compared to apples, and got about the same result (about knee-high and adorable). I'm glad that Studio B has had the good sense to keep track of the proportions so that everything is consistent.

Fifths said:

Fandoms and the drama that accompanies them are not important. You can either be entertained by the silly internet shit or you can get off your lazy ass and go find some real injustice to fight, but goddamn, will you just stop pissing and moaning about this inconsequential nonsense?

>posts this on a Pony Thread

irony, noun: a : the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning
b : a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony
c : an ironic expression or utterance

@Insouciant InsEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Carlos, get the hell out of this thread. The world ill needs a punster like you.

@Blue Screen
>mfw I upvoted that trolling picture and left this comment:

As someone who is completely neutral towards Justin Bieber, I must say that I always laugh at everyone’s massive overreaction towards him. It’s almost like some people’s reaction to MLP…

New failed discussion time:

What would be your, and the fandom in general's, reaction if a major US TV Series (Law and Order, NCIS, etc) did an episode about cloppers (that obviously cast them in a negative light)?

Me? I'd laugh and enjoy the ride as the greatest shitstorm the fandom has ever known swept through and destroyed everything in its path.

@TSG

What would be your, and the fandom in general’s, reaction if a major US TV Series (Law and Order, NCIS, etc) did an episode about cloppers (that obviously cast them in a negative light)?

This would be my, and everybody elses reaction:

All of us. Every single one of us. All waiting in anticipation for a great shitstorm to watch….until eventually someone has to create a shitstorm intentionally in order to set off what we hoped to see

I had this to say on that Bieber picture:

I just find it hilarious that this gets SOOOOO much more hate than the ones showing ponies being killed and stuff…
So, let me get this straight…
The ponies are killed painfully – “You suck!”
The ponies love Bieber – “DIE OP DIE!!!”
…?

Paper Jam had this to say:

Well, being within a 10-mile radius of Justin Bieber can feel like a painful death.

But I honestly still find it rather suspect. Are you (not you guys in the thread, generic "you" directed at the people on the pic) saying it's better to see your favorite ponies get tortured/killed/whatever than to see them being Bieber fans? ಠ_ಠ

Use HTML tags bro ( < > ) not BB tags ( [ ] ). Imma fix that for you. – BSOD

@Gordon

Look at it this way: there's tons of fanfictions and horror stories that involve gruesome pony death and tragedy…made by none other than the fandom itself. And seeing as how many Bronies play violent video games; really anything involving gore does not have that much impact.

Seeing ponies hatefully butchered just makes you think "Oh so you hate ponies, good for you. Can we interest you in Rainbow Factory?"

But seeing ponies act like Beliebers has much, much more stinging implications.

It implies that main the characters are the same type of girls that the cartoon was designed not to portray. It's also taking something people like and gives it away entirely to another thing that people hate. It gives credence to something nobody wants credence given to, especially not from something they care about. So everyone reacts as though they just had their waifu stolen (also literally implied by the image)

It's one thing to kill something you love. It's another to convert it to the enemy. Sick burn

I tip my hat to the troll that made that image. Absolutely pro.

:

That actually makes a lot of sense now that you say it…

BTW, sorry for my tag mistake and thanks for fixing it. ._.;

@xTSGx

What would be your, and the fandom in general’s, reaction if a major US TV Series (Law and Order, NCIS, etc) did an episode about cloppers (that obviously cast them in a negative light)?

You think you can rustle my jimmies just like that? Is that it? YOU UNDERESTIMATE MY POWER.

@DP and BSoD

Eh, I still think it's too unimportant to get worked up over, but I've kind of come to the point where I couldn't give less of a damn how the fandom is perceived. I think your position is the most reasonable, but honestly, it's like arguing against a group of 5 year olds about their clubhouse policies.

@xTSGx

That isn't really irony. It would be ironic if my post had the pretense that DP and BSoD's bitching was harmful, unjust, or in any way important and that it was something of a righteous duty on my part to stop it. Quite contrary, I found their bitching to be entirely pointless and the only reason I said anything is because I like to hear myself talk.

@Fifths

Of course it's unimportant now. Tensions between fandoms seem very relaxed at this point of time.

But trust me. If you were there at the time; you would have been as pissed off about it as I was. Then you would have found yourself ranting about it 2 years later whenever someone reminded you of it

Dash, you're looking kinda pale.

Well, there are seven levels of pale. Should I explain the chart?

Level One – Jersey Shore
Level Two – Tan
Level Three – Standard Pale
Level Four – Emo Kid Pale
Level Five – Sheamus Pale
Level Six – Twilight Pale (complete with sparkles!)
Level Seven – A sheet of paper

You got mad because DP was kind enough to give everyone who joined in on his birthday contest prizes instead of only 1 to 3 participants, because "competitions aren't supposed to work like that" or some shit.

So yeah, talk about trivial stuff. I can probably dig up more stuff. Irony is just that delicious.

@Fanbase Wars

Being apart of many fanbases I do see a lot of fights and I do feel conflicted when two fanbases I like are fighting, but the most out of control ridiculous thing I've ever seen was Norich, the fight that took place between Whovians and Star Wars fans.. I'm apart of many fanbases but I don't think I have ever seen anything where the two would physically fight each other to the extent that the police were called.. Luckily I manged to miss the fight by a few hours.. Though if I were questioned by police then I would have jumped at the chance to say this..

Dr. Whooves was all like…

Being apart of many fanbases I do see a lot of fights and I do feel conflicted when two fanbases I like are fighting, but the most out of control ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen was Norich, the fight that took place between Whovians and Star Wars fans.. I’m apart of many fanbases but I don’t think I have ever seen anything where the two would physically fight each other to the extent that the police were called.. Luckily I manged to miss the fight by a few hours.

Dear Celestia. Just imagine what would go down between bronies and Call of Duty fans.

I just had one of those weird moments where something twitches around in your head and finds a new meaning.

I was ruminating on The part of the Lion King where Simba is being Shown his eventual Kingdom, and I suddenly imagined… What if Mufasa was Replaced with Celestia?

And Then comes the part that's Interesting:

Celestia: "Everything the Light Touches is our Kingdom."
Twilight: "What about those shadowy places?"

My only good answer to that is those places would be Luna's… Which got me thinking…

…Do you think there's any places in Equestria that rather than being run jointly by the two Princesses, is favored by one over the other? (Though in official terms they probably still equally rule it, but only one being Directly interested.)

I Know at least one place on the Official map sounds like a place Luna would take personal interest in, while Celestia is probably indifferent (Hollow Shades). But I don't know about the Other way round.

…Any thoughts?

Well, in "Return of Harmony Part 2" they fight Nightmare Moon in what used to be Luna's castle in the Everfree Forest, so at least pre-banishment it looks like she had her own place instead of just a chamber in Canterlot. Perhaps they had something similar to what happened with the Eastern and Western Roman Empires, where the whole thing got so big that they split it in half and gave each one their own emperor. Neither instance seemed to have ended well.

IIRC, the castle is referred to as the castle of the Royal Pony Sisters, so I suspect the castle in the Everfree Forest used to be both Celestia's and Luna's. I'm guessing that pre-banishment, the Everfree Forest was different to how it is today- maybe even a city along the lines of Canterlot is today- and the battles between Celestia and Luna ( I don't think Nightmare Moon was defeated in a single night last time) destroyed whatever was there before, either creating the Everfree Forest or at least accounting for why the Everfree Forest is like it is today. (as for why it hasn't got worse after the second defeat of Nightmare Moon: How do you know it hasn't.)

The castle was referred to in the second episode as "the ancient castle of the royal pony sisters", so it's shared between her and Celestia.

From this Q&A, Lauren Faust said that the Everfree just kept growing, and eventually overtook the castle. Celestia probably just moved when she couldn't have ponies visiting her without being attacked by timber wolves and cockatrices.

Personally, I think they share the land between them. Most likely their divisions are their specific domains, a la D&D style.

Celestia defines law, the seasons, and growth.
Luna defines dreams, illusions, and prophecy.

Shining knows what I'm talking about, righ-




Shining? Shining Armor?

Ugh. Nevermind.