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The downside is chances are it's going to get abused. Like chances are what is going to wind up happening is in places like China they're going to have dump pits where they pump shit (both literally and figuratively) into a dump pit, spray modified bacteria to break it down, cover it up and call it "cleaned" without letting people know the ground isn't yet safe to farm and it'll take a decade until all the shit is actually completely broken down.

Trudeau has evidently decided to throw gasoline on a fire and has removed the two whistleblowers, including the AG that kicked off the controversy, from the Liberal Party.

Adegeneratefurry said:

she's probably going to be the first major candidate to fall out of relevance…

No way. There's Wayne Messam, Marianne Williamson, John Delaney, and Jay Inslee. As for candidates I've actually heard of and didn't have to look up, Gabbard's implosion has been really lowkey, but big none the less. She's lost her campaign manager and the main consulting firm, botched the opening of her campaign (though, to be fair, most of them seem to have done that), and had that "Assad's not a war criminal and who knows who did all those chemical attacks" gaffe a few weeks back. I'm all for non-intervention but you don't have to swing all the way over to Chamberlain. My money's on her going out way before Warren.

poochyena said:

We were talking about things that the president has control over. Thats local government.

I want you to name two state or federal policies that negatively affect people in rural areas but have no affect on people in urban areas.

The Ann Arbor Area Transit Authority uses local, state, and federal funding. The authority itself was authorized (as in, the state making a policy) in the Mass Transportation System Authorities Act (which also requires the state to bail out any mass transit systems that go into the red), which allowed communities to establish mass transit authorities.

Adegeneratefurry said:

Bitcoin surged 15% last week.

/biz/ must be doing some pump and dump shenanigans again.

poochyena said:

It is soooooo much easier to compare two brands of food in person than online.

The tactile side of it is going to kill them. Can't tell you the number of times I've gone to Kroger, grabbed a can, and it had an enormous dent in it. You don't know what you're getting from Amazon or if the Post Office will actually have it show up undamaged. And say nothing of fresh meat and produce.

Amazon will have to get into brick and mortar and… be another grocery store that you drive to. Not exactly a "killer" innovation. Supposedly, they're shooting for smaller stores, about half the size of a regular grocery store. That's what killed Tesco (a British grocer) here. They opened smaller stores hoping to lure in "everyday" shoppers and didn't realize most Americans only shop once or twice a week and absolutely hate having to to multiple stores to get what they need. Several billion dollars later, they packed up.

Why should I go to Amazon's store to get milk and butter when I then have to go to Kroger anyway to get the asian noodles? They can try to slash prices, but store brands are already really cheap so I doubt they'd be able to cut them low enough to matter and even if they do, they're in the red at that point. They could try shooting for the food deserts, but there's a reason grocers haven't moved in there.

People are so worried about Amazon, but I honestly think they're going to burn ten billion trying to edge themselves into an industry that already only has profit margins of 2% and is nearly 100% saturated. I'm baffled why they're even trying. On the bright side, I doubt Kroger would have ever made such a great app if Amazon wasn't threatening over the horizon. Good ol' competition.

Adegeneratefurry said:

The chance of this becoming dangerous is relatively little…

Well, the immune system is designed to attack bacteria and viruses and whatnot and it can go pretty bad. Not to mention what might happen to the gut flora.

Amazon trying to get into groceries reminds me of the time Colgate tried to get into Tv Dinners. Ie, a thing that wastes everyone's time and money and is eventually abandoned for them to go back to their safe and secure oligarchy, or in this case, their safe and secure Monopoly.

'Uncle' Joe Biden just can't seem to keeps his hands to himself. More women are coming out accusing him of inappropriate feeling up I know he is the Democrat front runner in this primary, But if he keeps this up, the MeToo movement will sink him.

(pic is for amusement)

Amazon had forced Kroger into adapting and improving itself that it wouldn't do other wise. Kroger now has a new option that will deliver a set list of products in bulk volume to people's homes, businesses, and charitable organisations. due to them. They also donate a lot of money and products to organizations that feed the hungry.

YES!

TSG said:

Erdogan has lost some key local elections in Turkey, with Ankara electing an opposition mayor and Istanbul possibly doing so as well (the opposition candidate is leading by 4,000 votes).

Authoritarian regimes losing power in their own legislature is giving me life.

Egregious secruity breach at Mar-a-Lago involving Chinese national with malware-infected hardware.

And this is one of the stupid ones we caught. Imagine the ones that didn't get caught.

House votes to authorize subpoenas for the Mueller report.

Hysteria over Southern Border increases, as Trump cuts aid to South American countries.

Trump calls to 'get rid of judges' while ranting about immigration.

NATO Secretary General gives a speech to Congress.

Certain libertarians lie claim that "taxation is theft".

If so, what does laundering money from a nation's treasury constitute?

UK parliament approves bill to guarantee country can't leave EU without a withdrawal agreement.

As long as the "social contract:" remains an imaginary loosely defined and arbitrarily enforced taxation is, at it's fundamental core, theft of resources from one individual, through coercion, and put into a pool that is redistributed across the board – often arbitrarily as well. And while an ideal system of governance would have some sort of clearly defined social contract, I don't think we're at a point to have such a thing so I can at least concede that it is a necessary theft.

Personally I think have a residency contract with a city/state/country is should be introduced, similar to an HOA agreement. For example, I own my condominium, but as part of the contract of me owning my condominium I am also obligated to pay HOA dues – and the HOA is obligated to do certain things around the property.

The problem with the social contract is that we "agree" to it with the implied condition that society, i.e. government, is in some ways obligated to meet certain things. Well, unfortunately, what t hose obligations are, and how often they are actually conducted is always in a state of flux. So when people who pay taxes feel as if they are not seeing, locally or federally, that they aren't receiving anything back, they become discontent with the taxation.

Taxes could be fully justifiable on a more decentralized system.
You want to live in city A? Well as part of your renter's agreement, or property contract, there is a stipulation about what your duties (taxes) are, and what the city is obligated to do. Expand this to state/country level.
You want to live in Country B but work in Country A? Okay, as part of the employment agreement you also accept that you will pay a certain duty (taxes) and in turn, you are guaranteed certain rights and privelages. Spell it out for people.
etc etc.

Team Arkos said:

Kroger now has a new option…

Like I said, the big improvement was with the app. I don't think the clicklist or delivery stuff will ever make a huge dent in things, for the same reason online delivery won't: people like to know exactly what they're buying when they buy groceries. I don't want to do clicklist, get home, then discover four of the cans are dented and the lettuce is wilted.

It strikes me more as a shareholder/wall street thing. "See? Look how much we're fighting Amazon! Buy our stock." When in reality, it's the same flawed thing Amazon's trying to do. I think it's especially notable Meijer, which is not publicly traded, is only making the most token of delivery gestures (and they have a lot of non-food things to sell to boot).

BrentD15 said:

Certain libertarians lie claim that "taxation is theft".

Technically, it's extortion, since the government is threatening to do something to you if you don't pay. It's an interesting social contract thought experiment: how many people would actually pay taxes if there were no penalties for not paying taxes? Would some people only pay if their political party were in office? Would people stop paying as they aged, feeling their debt to society had been fulfilled? How many would never pay and how many would always pay?

>since the government is threatening to do something to you if you don't pay.

You have the option to not pay though. You move.

And they do. In fact one of the big Twitter spats right now is Cuomo bitching at Florida because so many rich people are leaving the state creating massive deficits. But those are people with the means to move. Most people are not so lucky. So the only option here is, you pay or you go to jail and become butt buddies with bubba.

Me? I'd be a bit more sympathetic to the common man who is getting shafted time and time again by local and federal governments to pay unsustainable pension funds, a bloated and highly protected beauracracy, and war after war trying to fix the mess Europe left behind after post colonialism. But hey, that's just me.

Tbh, i use clicklist a lot more then i do normal shopping. I buy cases of soda, bags of chips, hotdogs sometimes, bread sometimes. I even bought some chuck roasts and they were fine. I just really hate the entire experience of shopping, especially having worked at kroger for a year.

You guys keep describing it as a "social contract" and not some patriotic duty to support your country by paying Uncle Sam his due.

Also, you guys never answered my question about whether laundering money from a nation's treasury for personal profit is considered theft.

Or perhaps you did, and don't consider it "theft", but "retribution".

Last night, Robert Mueller's team called out William Barr as a liar.

Doing something for your country because you feel patriotic is voluntary decision someone makes. No coercion here is necessary. Forcing someone to pay taxes through coercion (threat of jail) and calling it patriotic sounds exactly like something the Soviet Union would do.

We describe it as a social contract because that's exactly what it is. It's what it's been describes by politicians, political theorists, etc.

As far as your second question no one answered because it's obvious. Stealing from thieves is still stealing.

So…essentially some unnamed staff members are frustrated about the summary. We don't know the full extent of what their role in the investigation was, nor do we know what access to information they have
Nor do they seem to provide anything new, just that they are frustrated about the summary.

We also don't even know if they exist.

The Trump Truthers are not going to stop are they. Even if the report comes out and there is nothing there, they are going to just say that the report was improperly done, or that Russia has dirt on Mueller and threatened him.

Rachel Maddows white whale. As her ratings collapse left and right she still stands at the front of her ship screaming for her white whale.

The problem with Barr trying to censor out the report is that the house genuinely does have the legal power to subpoena the entire report. The downside is that this is a metaphorical nuclear option and would publicly reveal FUCKING EVERYTHING related to it, including all the evidence and stuff that was dismissed and stuff that is genuinely classified for a legitimate reason.

The reason why both sides are trying to avoid it is that only the investigation team and Barr know what is inside and once the pin is pulled there's no going back. It COULD be a nothing burger or it could be something so damaging it ruins american politics on a global scale.

The question isn't whether or not the house the legal right to grab the full report, the question is whether or not it is politically damaging, how politically damaging it is and if the report is damaging whether or not Barr is willing to risk everything getting revealed.

To use an analogy when Watergate happened most of the information remained classified for decades and literally just this year the last document regarding watergate was unclassified. What the investigation team back then did was give a legal roadmap that lead to Nixon stepping down and most of the legal paperwork remained sealed. If Barr refuses to show the report then what the house could do is completely all at once unseal everything related to the report. If the Mueller report is a nothing burger then nothing happens; if the mueller report is actually serious then it could unleash complete and utter political chaos.

The question isn't whether or not the house has the right to unseal the report, the question is the report actually politically damaging and IF it is politically damaging how far is Barr willing to go to protect Trump?

I love how the people who spent years attacking the investigation suddenly love it and refuse to believe there could be any bias to the Barr's summary. Gonna be fun when the full report comes out that details some illegal activity and suddenly they hate the investigation again. Would be nice if they could at least pretend to care about justice and not just care about protecting Trump.
Anyone who acts like Barr's summary is the end of it all just shows their lack of interest in justice.

It's cause despite all the witch hunt rhetoric everyone knows this is like playing Russian Roulette but instead of it being one chamber loaded we don't know if it's one chamber loaded, all chambers are loaded if none of the chambers are loaded. The only way in this case is to pull the trigger. If someone told you to play russian roulette but didn't tell you how many chambers are loaded and you're blind folded would you do it?

Looks like AOC is in major legal trouble now. She is hit with FEC complaint for alleged 'subsidy scheme

She scammed a ton of money out of people and put it into her own purse. And SHE may well be the face of the DNC's future?

@Degenerate

Wrong, the house doesn't have the right to the report nor do they have any right to Grand Jury testimony there in. In fact, the house passed a law in the 90's to HIDE the investigation's report from the public so it couldn't be used against then President Clinton. So the house is demanding Barr to break the law they them selves passed. It's pure Irony that the Democrats are now doing a 180 from what they once pushed not all that long ago.

@Arkos
Trump is NOT a king. Trump does not have judiciary powers. If he had judiciary powers he'd be in the judicial branch and not the executive branch.

I know fifth grade may be hard for some people but let's review the separation of powers:

Hell even countries with kings and queens don't have that much power.

I love how the people who spent years loving the corrupt investigation suddenly hate it and refuse to believe there could be any bias in Mueller's report. Gonna be fun when the Democrats illegally leaks out parts of the report and no illegal activity is reported to President Trumps actions. Would be nice if they could at least pretend to care about justice and not just care about attacking President Trump.

Anyone who acts like Mueller's report isn't the end of of it all is just naive about the manic obsession the left has in perverting Justice to attack President Trump.

FTFY

Seriously pooch, I know you are not a smart guy, but where are you going with this? Barr just dropped the hammer on the Left and they need to take the loss and learn from this. That is if they can accept they took an loss at all.

YOU seem to think he is! You just proved my point! The Congress has no right to demand that underacted report! You don't seem to realize that this is NOT President Trump's call, but Barr's call! If the Democrats piss off Barr enough, he can turn around and give them grief for ages.

>the corrupt investigation

What was corrupt about it?

>suddenly hate it

Who suddenly hates it?

Bigger than that.
First off if there was a magic bullet in the report, that no new subpeonas was issues also puts not just Mueller but also the upper eschelons of his team into serious jeapordy. It would suggest a massive multi level and multi department conspiracy that spanned years.
Two, if there was such a bullet there would, by now, be leaks – as there has been a steady stream of leakers.
Three, Democrats would be also partially culpable as such a conspiracy would have to have begun under Obama administration as well.

What the more experienced Democrats fear is the weaponozation of this report by Donald Trump during the 2020 cycle. If there is nothing there it's not "nothing happens". The Democrats know that a lot of eggs were put into this basket, if there is nothing there it would be best that they move forward immediately. The more they try to dig into the report the more it gives credo to the "witch Hunt" narrative. It also continues to emberass the Democratic credibility in the eyes of the people.

Already we are seeing a microcosm of this with the massive ratings fall for Maddow, who, it seems, gambled her career on this.

Thats on top of setting up horrible presedence for future politicians.

>be leaks – as there has been a steady stream of leakers.

When has Mueller's team ever leaked anything?

>If there is nothing there

Yea, just 400 blank pages /s

There is some good news and some bad news for Trump: the good news for Trump is that his approval rating is back to where it was at the beginning of his presidency; the bad news is that means he would have to run against someone as unpopular as Hillary to win re-election.

The good news for Republicans is his chances of re-election are slightly up; the bad thing is Hillary isn't running in 2020 so his chances of winning aren't nearly as high as what Republicans think they are.

The good news for Republicans is his chances of re-election is sitting about 2/5 chance. The bad news is that Democrats just need to win back Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan to win. The other bad news is Democrats already have a million registered volunteers.

Tldr;
Trump's chances or re-election are slightly up, however 2020 is going to be a extremely tough and close election.

Kinda ridiculous to say that Trump, a known perpetual liar, would be more credible than the guy that brought down Enron, fixed the FBI post-9/11, and has a distinguished service as a US Marine.

Team Arkos posted

"Seriously pooch, I know you are not a smart guy"

Said the guy who still suport Trump after all his behavior and use the accont of girl/boyfrind to upvote himself and double downvote people who don't share his belief.

@Monsieur Safior
You have problems on your own too. Stay in your lane.
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Oh ya the Water Supply is struggling, and the blackouts might be still happening.

@Sanakan

Sorry but my problem don't include ignoring the incompetence of a political leader.

I step everywhere I want.

@MS
And because of that, you called someone an "actual nazi" without any evidence and proof. M'kay

I'm just saying don't stick your nose where it doesn't belong. Or else half the time you'll get called a hypocrite.
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I know. Because I never questioned the integrity of Robert Mueller. Nor did I make any comparison to their credibility (compared, Trump has very little). But I am going to question your article that you suggest that Mueller's team called Barr a liar. First off they didnt. Second, and I repeat, we don't know who these members are, nor do we know what extent of information they were privvy to, nor do we know even if they work there.

For all we know they interviewed a low key clerk or a janitor. Frankly, aren't you a bit worried that the opposition party to Trump has been putting everything they can into this investigation instead of building up a political campaign on issues going into 2020? Or this, as o have said, your collective white whale, that you all are willing to lose 2020 for?

Me? I am far more concerned about the Russian interference in our political system, than Trump's collusion. Why? Because there is a hell of a lot more evidence that they do interfere with our politics but supporting organizations and people with heavy influence on both sides of the aisle, fostering discontent and political paralysis.

They have been doing it in Europe and in the US. They financially supported #Calexit, and #blacklivesmatter. Instead of putting all that political will into the idea that there was high level collusion rather than the full extent of what Russia can, has, and will continue to do is looking at the trees instead of the forest.

There is such thing as political capital. There is such thing as credibility. And it's all being wasted on this white whale. And that is what offends me.

There was a surprisingly good article I read about a risk that might happen to the USA economy; the economy might risk becoming a metaphorical zombie economy where politicians treat economic problems with easy things that treat the symptoms rather than the underlying problem.

Like Trump wants to lower interest rates to boost economic growth; that's good and all and will boost the economy but it doesn't actually fix the problems causing economic turmoil and he needs a plan beyond JUST lowering interest rates. The joke about a "zombie economy" is if there was zombies the safest place for the short run would be the meat market cause you could just feed them to distract them, however you need a plan beyond just giving them what they want for when you do run out.

The joke explained in this situation is the government needs a LONG TERM plan beyond just cutting interest rates, because what the fuck are they going to do if a recession or depression actually does happen and the fed has already lowered interest rates as low as they can go.

Extremely short version: okay a short term plan is good and all but what the fuck if a recession does happen in the long run and interest rates are already nearly 0%?

USA interest rates is 2.5%; you can reduce interest rates but you can't reduce interest rates below 0% though

Can you link the article, because your explanation of federal interest rates – in relations to a so-called zombie-economy (a term that I've seen multiple definitions for – in contrast to a "zombie company" which is a company that cannot operate without debt) makes no sense in what you are trying to deduce here.

Thanks.

@poochy
>he snoops for comments with no upvotes that look bad rather than watching the video just so he can call it racist
If i'm going to be honest i think you are taking the piss (like that first comment) but i know you so i know better. i double checked the video
you know that first example, also went on to say " ​Antarctica Must Remain a White Nation! " in the same comment chain. i mean jesus how you think this is serious racism floors me "solar albedo" is radiation diffusion, dude has a communist/nazi flag dude's clearly a shitposter Jesus christ
so instead of watching an engaging with it you found some hook or crook to respond to dismiss it. i don't care if you agree with it, but jesus have some bloody self respect man. >i found 1/155 comments on this youtube video that nobody upvoted to be racist, get this shit out of here it's bad.
heavens man.
why?

> Also, no one is making it "Illegal To Criticize Migration".
now he does provide reasons and examples of why he believes it will progress this way and and i think that's what was going on in the UK in his video though vaguely.
I've already seen criticism of mass migration here and elsewhere conflated with the far right and racism as far back as at least 2015 and in the wake of Christchurch i highly doubt the conversation has opened up anymore.
so please poochy, respond like an adult or simple chose to simply ignore the video if you don't want to watch. You should have done this to tim's or this one rather than dragging us through a weird debate where you incite you've invalidated it without ever having to watch it or even ask for a TL;DR. You are wasting my time and your own and you can chose to not care about your time but i will value mine a bit more if it means i don't have to chase down the rabbit hole after one of these "things"
Like i don't even care if you think it's wrong and you fucking own me with a bunch of FACTS and EVIDENCE, even if it was a video i posted for the purposes of discussion, the simple fact is this is not productive or interesting.

You know what screw it.
So i was interested in this when i saw it on my feed and i wanted your opinions on it
>but i don't have time to watch 1:15 min
that's fine the TLDR is capitalism the word is a spook, and has ceased to have a useful definition that has effectively deformed discussion on the criticism of industrial corporatism that cam about in the 1600s
Can't say i completely agree with this guy there is a point where he points out many of the wealthy are infact workers or rather employees but his statements defining owning stock as private property would then suggest that they could and would be highly incentivized in owning shares and having the wealth to do trading would mean these people as a class could be considered owners as i see it.
but that again is arguable

>he does provide reasons and examples of why he believes it will progress this way

Yea, and those reasons are evil lefty SJWs journalists just trying to destroy the world. They are ALL just pushing these awful ideas! just look at this twitter user who confirms my bias!
Its race baiting scare mongering. I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt anymore.

Chewybunny said:

Me? I am far more concerned about the Russian interference in our political system, than Trump's collusion. Why? Because there is a hell of a lot more evidence that they do interfere with our politics but supporting organizations and people with heavy influence on both sides of the aisle, fostering discontent and political paralysis.

Full-Spectrum Warfare.
Why do you think Bernie Sanders is refusing to release his tax returns?

Donald Trump's IRS Commissioner is a tax attorney who argued that Trump shouldn't release his tax returns, despite US law requiring that the President should when requested by Congress.

Donald Trump continues to call for the end of the US Judicial System.

I do not think i want to give you benefit of the doubt at this point.
I don't know how you translate "corporatism as compassion slight of hand" as "GRRR i don't like brown people or SJWs" or where you see any race baiting but you've literally seen a man shitposting about solar radiation diffusion and thought it was racist so I'm not a liberty to trust you.
it seems more like you are reaching for whatever to dismiss this without actually providing a rebuttal. and again i asked you to be adult about this.
As i said before you can infact as me for a TLDR if you do not want to watch the video and I know you didn't watch it to completion

TLDR: this video is about the UN compact on migration and the ideological background behind it and what he sees as the mechanisms that will make criticism of migration illegal. He also does indicate that the swedish watch dog group who claimed 214 charges with migration and 144 convictions "incitement against ethnicgroups" arrests in the UK and statements by an eastern European official. this is all framed around the ideology of open boarders as an economic power play, which he asserts if failing and as a result of that will tighten control on speech rather than adapt to the changing times.
I make it sound far more advanced than it is however, dev says this in pain language and it's very lax, you will not likely find it having advanced academic rigor and dev is not infallible which is why i presented it here for interesting takes.
not this, just like the other example above it

again, if you don't want to watch the video, don't or failing that don't respond because you are not conducive to a productive discussion, please act with decorum.
I'm getting sick chasing rabitholes

The guy is a Nazi sympathizer

https://youtu.be/kqn3P5gN7po?t=354
"maybe the white supremacist who rammed his car into a crowd of people is actually a good guy!"

https://youtu.be/kqn3P5gN7po?t=761
"the alt-right were just trying to defend themselves!!!"
Nazis and white supremacists have a huge history a violence. To imply that they only had weaponry to defend themselves from the evil antifa is incredibly dishonest. The spent the day before and the entire morning of the event talking and chanting about how they want to kill jews and other groups.
The entire video is just him downplaying everything bad the alt-right did and constantly playing up the "muh both sides", as if everyone there was either alt-right or antifa. The counter protesters was not entirely made up of antifa of black lifes matter or whatever.

@poochy
well now i'm just interested in where you got this, i know you didn't just scope out all of his videos to find a couple objectionable things, makes me think there is some sticky on some reddit that you get your fodder from
not that this matters this is again you changing the subject to try and invalidate the video by whatever means and now that i've shut down the two other avenues you are looking for a new crook because you are not a mature person and cannot be expected to engage with this productively
the only question is why i am i still giving you responses

Either make a statement and engage with the video or not do not look for reasons to simply get made about it by it and validate your own biases. I think there are problems and avenues of discussion here so please stop constraining it with red herrings and left field dicussions.
shit or get off the pot simply

but because i'm mad with you and i'm sick of this i'm not going to give you an inch
now the first thing i want to point out is of this 40 minute video all you can find is two points that you twist.
>first link
So to begin with this was when this narrative was just coming out and arguments around it are clear he does not weigh his statement heavily in the killers side case and point: "could this be the work of a hate filled man running down his opponents, yes absolutely." but he makes no claims on which is right or wrong and i think that's quite good of him unless the fact that be mentions it as a viable answer is right. regardless this isn't what you are trying to paint here.

>second link
well one the argument doesn't follow, the dude was presenting this as a matter of escalation and the normalization of street violent, he does put this on antifa for normalizing it but that is not to say the alt-right is good people, and time and time again dev has stated he dislikes it

>The counter protesters was not entirely made up of antifa of black lifes matter or whatever.
he's talking about the acts of violence and the normalization of street violence so unless you are telling me there are more [on the left, god i have to clarify this because god knows you are going to nitpick it] than just antifa getting violent then it doesn't matter if it is

>The entire video is just him downplaying everything bad the alt-right
very clearly it isn't or you'd have more and more substantial points across his work where this owuld be true and in this video. it seems to me more that he is attacking antifa thus the name. you can call it whatever you want but i agree radical leftism is a cancer and should not be tolerated and this is an extension of the "punching nazis discussion" and in that he doesn't follow your line thinking doesn't make him a nazi i've known the man since gamergate and i can say i do not see it

and for the rest of it, it doesn't matter

but again returning to the point
this is a red herring there is not point in discussing it you are just looking for reasons to dismiss this out of hand without thinking
grow up

>i know you didn't just scope out all of his videos to find a couple objectionable things

I did.

>but he makes no claims on which is right or wrong

But it is VERY clear that he was in the wrong. Its adding doubt when there isn't any. its no different than the holocaust "truthers". Its a tactic used to try to add doubt and draw sympathy.

>he does put this on antifa for normalizing it but that is not to say the alt-right is good people

He is shifting the blame away from the alt-right group and antifa had equal, if not greater affect on normalizing/promoting violence. He is downplaying the alt-right's role and giving sympathy to the alt-right "Those poor guys just trying to organize when those violent antifa folk came in and attacked them!". Antifa is tiny and has little to no history or political power. Meanwhile, Nazis and white supremicists have an extremely long history of violence and political oppression of groups they see unfit. To insinuate that the alt-right and antifa are on some sort of equal ground is downplay the history and violence of the alt-right to make them appear as small and harmless as antifa and blm is.
Its like saying "sure, Hitler did some bad things, but so did Obama".

> it seems to me more that he is attacking antifa thus the name.

He isn't just attacking antifa, he is putting the alt-right on their level, which antifa is nowhere near as bad at the alt-right. Its a false equivalency to attempt to downplay the violence and hatred of the alt-right.

US to label Iran's Revolutionary Guards Corps as a terrorist group

@poochy
>I did.
i didn't know you were a fan of someone you believe to be a white supremacist.
so what you skimmed his channel, went down 2 years of content until you found something? i don't believe that you managed that in what under half an hour but sure.
either way this is the same shit, show me the man i will find you the crime.
i am so damn surprised that you insist on going around this, this is like a child forcing a dog to eat paper to get out of homework. you don't have to agree with them but this fucking mythical journey into batshit land needs to stop.

>But it is VERY clear that he was in the wrong.
I have come to the understanding that i need to be very deliberate so to not allow you to choose how you interpret it.
To being with poochy he at the start of the video stated this was a clusterfuck
He brought up the case of mistaken identity
and mentioned there was a case for it, not that it was true or false
at the time there is reasonable doubt to believe that he didn't know all the information, he mentions he had stress over it and that were instances of bad information that led to bad events against innocent people.
and yet you are now insisting the man is willfully misleading people, and you are using emotionally language to obfuscate the reasonable doubt.
You have added malice and then insisted he is malicious because holocaust deniers.
But quite simply at the time there is reason and he even states his confusion to believe that he is genuine.

>He is shifting the blame away from the alt-right group
It's very clear he's dealing with antifa's actions in the context of street brawls before that leading to Berkley and acts of antifa violence during the march 4 trump.
You are not the crown dear poochy you do not get to chose context nor reinterpret things to turn people into Nazis. And i will repeat myself. the man literally said antifa has been normalizing street violence and to my knowledge he is correct or can be assumed to be claiming this in good faith

"He is downplaying the alt-right's role and giving sympathy to the alt-right "Those poor guys just trying to organize when those violent antifa folk came in and attacked them!". "
and he's not wrong to say so
case and point
https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/8/12/17681986/antifa-leftist-violence-clashes-protests-charlottesville-dc-unite-the-right
vox is a noticeable far left establishment
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/28/black-clad-antifa-attack-right-wing-demonstrators-in-berkeley/?utm_term=.b984f90809e1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Berkeley_protests
this is the context that he is writing about, you can spout whataboutism all you want but this is the reality.
I don't like the nazis, dev doesn't either, but they are not the universal aggressors it seems like you want to run interference more for these people to try and prove dev is a nazi than you want to look at the reality that he was given at the time and i was given.

>Meanwhile nazis…
this is pure ideology.
I do not care if you believe there is a justification to attack law abiding citizens. You cannot hold a man responsible for not supporting a recognized terrorist group attacking citizens with weapons, even if those people are reprehensible.

> Its like saying "sure, Hitler did some bad things, but so did Obama".
antifa shot fireworks into crowds of civilians and police and not all of them their targets either. Attack journalists and still do for that matter and abused everyone.
this is what he is saying.
they are normalizing street violence
i do not understand how you think this is anything other than a shit argument but time and again here you have demonstrated yourself incapable of that on this subject matter, you are trying to retroactively confirm your biases.

>He isn't just attacking antifa,
yes he is it's in the video,
> he is putting the alt-right on their level, which antifa is nowhere near as bad at the alt-right.
antifa riots, burns and brutalizes people including normal every day people who aren't alt-right.these are reprehensible violent people, saying the alt-right is equivalent to them does not make me hate the alt-right less because as far as i can see both of them are reprehensible. I have now literally said the same point he has
am i now a nazi because i find that antifa's behaviour and their violence against both normal conservatives and far-right actors inexcusable.
why are you running interference for them?

but this is the big fucking thing
We have gone so far off topic i want to bring ourselves all the way back to point
you
fucked
up
you didn't watch something
you ran your mouth acting like a child trying to dismiss it out of hand
and you have so consistently been in the wrong in all of your statements you have had to dig around in his videos and give the worst possible interpretation to try and invalidate a video you didn't watch further than 2 minutes.
Poochy if you don't want to watch it or you are uninterested you don't have to conjure reasons, more importantly don't waste my time.
Dev is not a nazi.
it wouldn't matter if he even was because you've not looked into his stuff, i don't care if or what he is but the content of his arguement

If I called someone Nazi then I'm must have god reason.

It seems you are upset that I don't curb to a particular type of people?