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Kenetic Kups wrote:

Nope, it's an issue of the reactionaries pushing to end all public services

Reactionaries don't tend to be libertarians.
The Department of Education isn't without it's criticisms. The insane cost of college education is a direct result of Department of Education's policies and fear mongering in the 1980s.

I'll also add, food for thought from the progressive point of view: centralized state education under a federal Department of Education, which, currently, seem to have a fairly progressive political bias, could also be weaponized by the right. If Trump wins and starts putting in right-wing bureaucrats into the Department of Education they can force right wing, even reactionary education down every state, even more liberal states like New York and California would have to comply. And let's be real, there's tons of talk about his connection to Project 2025, and part of P25 is a mass replacement of bureaucrats with more right-leaning ones.

Anything that is currently leaning one way can be weaponized by it's opposition, which is why it's dangerous to centralize it in the first place. Which is what the DoE is about.

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Steve wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/23/israel-benjamin-netanyahu-plan-northern-gaza-palestinian-civilians-hamas?CMP=twt_gu#Echobox=1727135530

"Benjamin Netanyahu considering mass clearance of northern Gaza

Plan calls for Palestinian civilians to be forced out and Hamas militants put under siege in ‘closed military zone’"

mass clearance being a euphemism for ethnic cleansing

From the article:
"“According to the plan, the IDF will evacuate all the civilians who are in the north of Gaza, from the border to the Gaza River,” Boaron told the Guardian. ‘‘And after they will evacuate, the IDF will assume that only the terrorists will remain. When the civilians population has left, you can find and kill all the terrorists without harming the civilians.”

It's amazing that people like you view an evacuation as an ethnic cleansing.

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Chewybunny wrote:

From the article:
"“According to the plan, the IDF will evacuate all the civilians who are in the north of Gaza, from the border to the Gaza River,” Boaron told the Guardian. ‘‘And after they will evacuate, the IDF will assume that only the terrorists will remain. When the civilians population has left, you can find and kill all the terrorists without harming the civilians.”

It's amazing that people like you view an evacuation as an ethnic cleansing.

ethnic cleansing – Rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove from a given area persons of another ethnic or religious group, which is contrary to international law.

They are forcing out Palestinians from Gaza by force, they are, by definition, going to commit an ethnic cleansing

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Chewybunny wrote:

From the article:
"“According to the plan, the IDF will evacuate all the civilians who are in the north of Gaza, from the border to the Gaza River,” Boaron told the Guardian. ‘‘And after they will evacuate, the IDF will assume that only the terrorists will remain. When the civilians population has left, you can find and kill all the terrorists without harming the civilians.”

It's amazing that people like you view an evacuation as an ethnic cleansing.

"When the civilians population has left, you can find and kill all the terrorists without harming the civilians"

This coming from the country that considers everyone over the age of 18 to be enemy combatant? Yeah, they aren't going to care whose civilian; they are going to issue an evacuation order and then march in and kill anyone whos still in gaza.

"It's amazing that people like you view an evacuation as an ethnic cleansing."

Israel tells people to evacuate and then bombs the place they are told to evacuate literally all the time, its amazing how people like you can piss on someone and then tell them its raining

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Chewybunny wrote:

Consensual sex with a very beautiful celebrity is gross to you?
I guess couples with the idea that you think women would be so tyrannical as to not tolerating their significant other spending an hour two every week posting on a forum. Deep incel energy there man. Bro, some free life advice: stop obsessing over me, I'm flattered, but you need to work on yourself a bit and learn to view women as independent humans and not tyrannical matriarchs. Namaste.

more like 2 hours everyday, lmao. I love how you try to frame this as if I said your wife wouldnt let you do this instead of no women would marry you because you cant rationalize how a woman would want to be with a person who spends most of his free time arguing with strangers on behalf of a country he doesnt live in (See: Ian Miles Cheong).

You also just give the game away when stupid shit like "Yeah my wife would be supportive if i impregnated Taylor swift" like a women would be supportive of you cheating on her and impregnating someone else. And yeah, it is gross to say that you would impregnate someone you dont know, but I guess you would actually have to spoken with a woman outside your family to know that

Steve wrote:

ethnic cleansing – Rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove from a given area persons of another ethnic or religious group, which is contrary to international law.

They are forcing out Palestinians from Gaza by force, they are, by definition, going to commit an ethnic cleansing

They aren't though. They aren't forcing Palestinians out of Gaza and haven't since the beginning. They are evacuating Palestinian civilians from the North to the South that implies an eventual return. Furthermore read that definition again, "rendering an area ethnically homogeneous". There aren't Israelis or Jews living in Northern Gaza, so it's not even rendering an area ethnically homogeneous. This definition explicitly using the idea that if there are two or more ethnic groups in the same area (in this case Northern Gaza), and one group forces other groups to leave so that the goal is to make that area homogenous for that one group it would be ethnic cleansing. In this case there aren't two or more ethnic or religious groups in Northern Gaza, there is just one, and the goal isn't to make it ethnically homogeneous. The definition you cited is not in anyway applicable.

Steve wrote:

"When the civilians population has left, you can find and kill all the terrorists without harming the civilians"

This coming from the country that considers everyone over the age of 18 to be enemy combatant? Yeah, they aren't going to care whose civilian; they are going to issue an evacuation order and then march in and kill anyone whos still in gaza.

"It's amazing that people like you view an evacuation as an ethnic cleansing."

Israel tells people to evacuate and then bombs the place they are told to evacuate literally all the time, its amazing how people like you can piss on someone and then tell them its raining

I don't see any evidence of Israel viewing anyone who is over 18 and enemy combatant. If that was the case the death toll would be in the hundreds of thousands even millions. If you so thoroughly believe that you're in the right on this topic why resort to blatant lies and gross exaderations?

I've heard the argument "they told them to evacuate but still bombed the area" so many times it's clearly a talking point no one ever actually thought an ounce about. But just because you are evacuated doesn't grand the evacuated zone or area total immunity from having military targets in it. Furthermore do you honestly believe that the Palestinians are just as safe in evacuated zones as they would be in areas of heavy fighting and bombing? Of course you don't. No one does. It's not even a close equivalent. Yes, Israel had to conduct military operations and even bombing targets in evacuated areas or close to them, but you all make it out like it's a daily occurrence when it's absolutely not. And you know damn well that Palestinians are far far more safe in evacuated zones than not because if they weren't why the hell would they comply with the evacuations.

All these talking points, these little gachyas are so thoroughly poorly thought out it seems more like slogan than any substantive attempt at understanding or even discussing the conflict. There are legitimate criticisms to be had but they drowned in so much inane bullshit arguments, that no one actually bothers to use them. Which, honestly, does more harm to your side than you think.

Steve wrote:

more like 2 hours everyday, lmao. I love how you try to frame this as if I said your wife wouldnt let you do this instead of no women would marry you because you cant rationalize how a woman would want to be with a person who spends most of his free time arguing with strangers on behalf of a country he doesnt live in (See: Ian Miles Cheong).

You also just give the game away when stupid shit like "Yeah my wife would be supportive if i impregnated Taylor swift" like a women would be supportive of you cheating on her and impregnating someone else. And yeah, it is gross to say that you would impregnate someone you dont know, but I guess you would actually have to spoken with a woman outside your family to know that

Just because I don't live in Israel doesn't mean it isn't important to me, especially when the majority of my family lives there. Again I'm flattered you're so concerned about my relationship and how I spend my free time.

They are forcing out Palestinians from Gaza by force, they are, by definition, going to commit an ethnic cleansing

Generally, evacuations, when not in the face of persistent major disasters such as in Pripyat or Centralia, imply that people will be allowed to return in the near future.

like a women would be supportive of you cheating on her and impregnating someone else

Such narrow-minded projection. Dare I say, even conservative.

Steve wrote:

more like 2 hours everyday, lmao. I love how you try to frame this as if I said your wife wouldnt let you do this instead of no women would marry you because you cant rationalize how a woman would want to be with a person who spends most of his free time arguing with strangers on behalf of a country he doesnt live in (See: Ian Miles Cheong).

You also just give the game away when stupid shit like "Yeah my wife would be supportive if i impregnated Taylor swift" like a women would be supportive of you cheating on her and impregnating someone else. And yeah, it is gross to say that you would impregnate someone you dont know, but I guess you would actually have to spoken with a woman outside your family to know that

"no women would marry you because you cant rationalize how a woman would want to be with a person who spends most of his free time arguing with strangers on behalf of a country he doesnt live in"

the irony of you saying this is not lost on me, nor should it be on anyone else in this thread

Arizona Democratic campaign office in Tempe damaged by gunshots, bb gun pellets in two recent incidents

Tempe police say gunfire damage was found at an Arizona Democratic campaign office on Monday. This is the second time the office has been damaged in recent weeks.

Officials say the most recent incident happened just after midnight near Southern Avenue and Priest Drive on Monday morning. Police say they appeared to be gunshots through the front windows.

Police say the incident is "being investigated as a property crime as no one was in the office at the time of the occurrence."

Haitian group in Springfield, Ohio, files citizen criminal charges against Trump and Vance

The leader of a nonprofit representing the Haitian community invoked a private-citizen right to file charges Tuesday against former President Donald Trump and his running mate, JD Vance, over the chaos and threats experienced by Springfield, Ohio, since Trump first spread false claims about legal immigrants there during a presidential debate.

[…]

Trump and Vance, a U.S. senator from Ohio, are charged with disrupting public services, making false alarms, telecommunications harassment, aggravated menacing and complicity. The filing asks the Clark County Municipal Court to affirm that there is probable cause and issue arrest warrants against Trump and Vance.

The 15,000 to 20,000 Haitian immigrants who have arrived in Springfield over the past several years, in many cases after being recruited to local jobs, have been granted Temporary Protected Status to be in the U.S. legally.

More than 30 bomb threats were directed at state and local government buildings and schools, prompting closures, the assignment of additional law enforcement protection and security cameras. Some of the city’s Haitian residents have also said they feared for their safety as public vitriol grew, and Mayor Rob Rue has received death threats.

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Chewybunny wrote:

Reactionaries don't tend to be libertarians.
The Department of Education isn't without it's criticisms. The insane cost of college education is a direct result of Department of Education's policies and fear mongering in the 1980s.

I'll also add, food for thought from the progressive point of view: centralized state education under a federal Department of Education, which, currently, seem to have a fairly progressive political bias, could also be weaponized by the right. If Trump wins and starts putting in right-wing bureaucrats into the Department of Education they can force right wing, even reactionary education down every state, even more liberal states like New York and California would have to comply. And let's be real, there's tons of talk about his connection to Project 2025, and part of P25 is a mass replacement of bureaucrats with more right-leaning ones.

Anything that is currently leaning one way can be weaponized by it's opposition, which is why it's dangerous to centralize it in the first place. Which is what the DoE is about.

Reactionaries oppose all public services, they view it as "communism"

And yeah, I'm sure that would prevent that, just like how criminals will never use guns if you don't /s

KZN02 wrote:

Arizona Democratic campaign office in Tempe damaged by gunshots, bb gun pellets in two recent incidents

Tempe police say gunfire damage was found at an Arizona Democratic campaign office on Monday. This is the second time the office has been damaged in recent weeks.

Officials say the most recent incident happened just after midnight near Southern Avenue and Priest Drive on Monday morning. Police say they appeared to be gunshots through the front windows.

Police say the incident is "being investigated as a property crime as no one was in the office at the time of the occurrence."

Haitian group in Springfield, Ohio, files citizen criminal charges against Trump and Vance

The leader of a nonprofit representing the Haitian community invoked a private-citizen right to file charges Tuesday against former President Donald Trump and his running mate, JD Vance, over the chaos and threats experienced by Springfield, Ohio, since Trump first spread false claims about legal immigrants there during a presidential debate.

[…]

Trump and Vance, a U.S. senator from Ohio, are charged with disrupting public services, making false alarms, telecommunications harassment, aggravated menacing and complicity. The filing asks the Clark County Municipal Court to affirm that there is probable cause and issue arrest warrants against Trump and Vance.

The 15,000 to 20,000 Haitian immigrants who have arrived in Springfield over the past several years, in many cases after being recruited to local jobs, have been granted Temporary Protected Status to be in the U.S. legally.

More than 30 bomb threats were directed at state and local government buildings and schools, prompting closures, the assignment of additional law enforcement protection and security cameras. Some of the city’s Haitian residents have also said they feared for their safety as public vitriol grew, and Mayor Rob Rue has received death threats.

Musk after making that one tweet wondering why nobody tried to kill Kamala:

Chewybunny wrote:

Just because I don't live in Israel doesn't mean it isn't important to me, especially when the majority of my family lives there. Again I'm flattered you're so concerned about my relationship and how I spend my free time.

And he called me obsessed

Steve wrote:

more like 2 hours everyday, lmao. I love how you try to frame this as if I said your wife wouldnt let you do this instead of no women would marry you because you cant rationalize how a woman would want to be with a person who spends most of his free time arguing with strangers on behalf of a country he doesnt live in (See: Ian Miles Cheong).

You also just give the game away when stupid shit like "Yeah my wife would be supportive if i impregnated Taylor swift" like a women would be supportive of you cheating on her and impregnating someone else. And yeah, it is gross to say that you would impregnate someone you dont know, but I guess you would actually have to spoken with a woman outside your family to know that

Dude, you are really inferring a whole lot about a single post. At this point, I can only assume you either are obsessed, mentally ill or just projecting. Either way, you are simply digging yourself deeper into a whole where you come across as an idiot of questionable mental sanity. Chill.

The pain of overhearing a political conversation where someone says he dislikes Harris because "she has no policies" followed by "and you know what else?" and then proceeds to start complaining about her policies.

No!! wrote:

guys, guys please lets not start this we are ALL internet addicted fucks who need to touch grass

I am turning my garden into a jungle and I will touch grass every time and plant seeds that will grow trees full of coconuts

I'm torn between "and nothing of value of lost" and "oh no, anyway". Mediterranean Islamist hate groups are like a well-fed hydra. They're someone's pet, so nobody wants to do the work of torching the stumps. Even their leaders are considered disposable by the paymasters.

re – gardening: you know I should plant some mint for kitchen use. 5 seconds later OH GOD IT'S EVERYWHERE WHAT HAVE I DONE

Israel really has no room to escalate further against Hezbollah other than invasion.

They could start bombing areas of Lebanon indiscriminately, I suppose, but otherwise if the country is still seeking war troops will have to enter Lebanon to do so.

Are they going to commit to a land campaign to crush Hezbollah for at least a decade, hard to say.

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No!! wrote:

its the middle east; all factions are super evil in the middle east….except maybe Turkey.

you mean Islamist Franco whose only military actions ever taken are invading other countries so they can better put a boot on the necks of their least favorite ethnic group?

So what are you guys' thoughts on the "Vance is a double-agent" theory? because damn.

Just yesterday the guy that baked cookies for his friend recovering from bottom surgery was told to fuck off by a restaurant because his team didn't pre-clear it. with the press present.

The various Trump campaigns now have such an enormous body of iconography and related wacky merchandise that in a hundred years it could be its own niche field of historical study. After all, all this bizarre trash isn't going to just disappear. It's going to hide away in closets, storage, and collections as it slowly becomes relics of a bygone era.

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Sir Snakeboat wrote:

"no women would marry you because you cant rationalize how a woman would want to be with a person who spends most of his free time arguing with strangers on behalf of a country he doesnt live in"

the irony of you saying this is not lost on me, nor should it be on anyone else in this thread

its not ironic because i dont give you losers like you hours of my time and i care about the people living in Palestine, im not simping for an ethno nationalist state

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Chewybunny wrote:

I don't see any evidence of Israel viewing anyone who is over 18 and enemy combatant. If that was the case the death toll would be in the hundreds of thousands even millions. If you so thoroughly believe that you're in the right on this topic why resort to blatant lies and gross exaderations?

I've heard the argument "they told them to evacuate but still bombed the area" so many times it's clearly a talking point no one ever actually thought an ounce about. But just because you are evacuated doesn't grand the evacuated zone or area total immunity from having military targets in it. Furthermore do you honestly believe that the Palestinians are just as safe in evacuated zones as they would be in areas of heavy fighting and bombing? Of course you don't. No one does. It's not even a close equivalent. Yes, Israel had to conduct military operations and even bombing targets in evacuated areas or close to them, but you all make it out like it's a daily occurrence when it's absolutely not. And you know damn well that Palestinians are far far more safe in evacuated zones than not because if they weren't why the hell would they comply with the evacuations.

All these talking points, these little gachyas are so thoroughly poorly thought out it seems more like slogan than any substantive attempt at understanding or even discussing the conflict. There are legitimate criticisms to be had but they drowned in so much inane bullshit arguments, that no one actually bothers to use them. Which, honestly, does more harm to your side than you think.

"If that was the case the death toll would be in the hundreds of thousands even millions"
Guess what shithead? Estimated death toll is in the hundred thousands!! The official death toll has been frozen at 40k because Israel has bombed literally every administrative building in gaza, or do you still believe its 40k since march and israel has killed no one since then
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

"I've heard the argument "they told them to evacuate but still bombed the area" so many times it's clearly a talking point no one ever actually thought an ounce about. But just because you are evacuated doesn't grand the evacuated zone or area total immunity from having military targets in it. "

e·vac·u·ate
/əˈvakyəˌwāt/
verb
gerund or present participle: evacuating

1. remove (someone) from a place of danger to a safer place.

"All these talking points, these little gachyas are so thoroughly poorly thought out it seems more like slogan than any substantive attempt at understanding or even discussing the conflict"

Absolutely rich coming from the guy who thinks its okay for the IDF to rape people

Steve wrote:

"If that was the case the death toll would be in the hundreds of thousands even millions"
Guess what shithead? Estimated death toll is in the hundred thousands!! The official death toll has been frozen at 40k because Israel has bombed literally every administrative building in gaza, or do you still believe its 40k since march and israel has killed no one since then
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)01169-3/fulltext

"I've heard the argument "they told them to evacuate but still bombed the area" so many times it's clearly a talking point no one ever actually thought an ounce about. But just because you are evacuated doesn't grand the evacuated zone or area total immunity from having military targets in it. "

e·vac·u·ate
/əˈvakyəˌwāt/
verb
gerund or present participle: evacuating

1. remove (someone) from a place of danger to a safer place.

"All these talking points, these little gachyas are so thoroughly poorly thought out it seems more like slogan than any substantive attempt at understanding or even discussing the conflict"

Absolutely rich coming from the guy who thinks its okay for the IDF to rape people

Do you guys ever actually read beyond the talking point?
Did you even read your own source? Do you even know what those sources are?
The Lancet letter which is NOT peer reviewed claimed that " Applying a conservative estimate of four indirect deaths per one direct death to the 37 396 deaths reported, it is not implausible to estimate that up to 186 000 or even more deaths could be attributable to the current conflict in Gaza."

Read that again, comrade. "I N D I R E C T " deaths. They get this number from an analysis from 2008 Geneva Declaration specifically in chapter 2: "In the majority of conflicts since the early 1990s for which good data is available, the burden of indirect deaths was between three and 15 times the number of direct deaths."

The analysis also points highlights that there is no objective method to calculate indirect deaths, that the methodology is extremely complex and difficult to gather and can be and usually are something that can be measured through long term excessive deaths.

Holy hell you could have just looked this thing up on Snopes

which gives a fairly decent break down. And it's so funny to note that the authors themselves push back to the exact thing YOU and people like you are doing:

""Our Correspondence in The Lancet does not posit that almost 8% of Gaza's population had been wiped out since Oct. 7," Khatib (one of the authors) wrote via email to Snopes.

"Unfortunately, many people have chosen to take our figure as representing deaths that have already occurred, which is not what we say,"

It is so absolutely clear that all you do is throw out talking points and poorly thought out gochyas. You can't even maintain consistency. And the pro-Palestine side is full of this kind of retardation. This is why they don't give a shit about Palestinians as a people, it has always been about larping as revolutionaries, and using the Palestinians as a symbol for their revolutionary struggle against the West's hegemony. If they spent a 10nth of the energy they use for protesting actually doing a bit of research they'd find so many better ways of actually helping real change happen in this conflict.

Are you even self aware enough to see that the definition for evacuation goes against exactly what you wrote out Israel is doing? Thanks for reinforcing my position that it wasn't an ethnic cleansing but an evacuation. I guess not since you lack the reading comprehension to even read a 2 page Lancet letter, or what I wrote about my lack of empathy for a Hamas terrorist getting raped. ¯\(ツ)

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When one thinks about it, most countries in Europe and Asia are ethnostates--so the notion of countries like Israel being one really isn't a big deal. Countries like the US are an anomaly, with the United States being centered around a governing philosophy rather than a singular ethnicity (the funny thing is that folks in the early days of the country worried about English being supplanted by German, and that we already had an ESL president: Martin van Buren).

documents6 wrote:

Israel really has no room to escalate further against Hezbollah other than invasion.

They could start bombing areas of Lebanon indiscriminately, I suppose, but otherwise if the country is still seeking war troops will have to enter Lebanon to do so.

Are they going to commit to a land campaign to crush Hezbollah for at least a decade, hard to say.

It begins. The IDF is doing targeted raids against Hezbollah in southern Lebanon. I don't truly think they'll stop there, they surely want to render Hezbollah inoperable for at least a decade.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hezbollah-live-updates-hamas-leader-lebanon-killed-strike-hits-rcna173218

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KoimanZX wrote:

When one thinks about it, most countries in Europe and Asia are ethnostates--so the notion of countries like Israel being one really isn't a big deal. Countries like the US are an anomaly, with the United States being centered around a governing philosophy rather than a singular ethnicity (the funny thing is that folks in the early days of the country worried about English being supplanted by German, and that we already had an ESL president: Martin van Buren).

Well, to be precise an ethnostate is a state in which citizenship is restricted to a specific racial or ethnic group. The state being dominated proportionately by a particular ethnic group doesn't necessarily make it an ethnostate, although most states like that have undergone historic processes of assimilation and/or ethnic cleansing to get that way.

In regards to Israel, some academics have proposed the term "Ethnic democracy" to describe the juxtaposition of equality, democracy, and freedom for all of a dominant class, but having ethnic groups within the occupied borders who are deprived of those rights. Israel isn't the only example, Latvia and Estonia notably have a large number of ethnic Russians in their border who have not been granted equal citizenship. Malaysia is also an interesting example to read about.

That said, some do disagree with the term ethnic democracy, arguing it's not a useful descriptor. Your mileage may vary.

So Iran launches over 180 mid-range ballistic missiles at Israel. The David Sling, and Arrow system took out most of them, with additional help from Jordan and the US. There are videos of those missiles hitting things, but that's because they were designed to specifically target ones that are likely to hit something important. No need to waste ammunition on missiles that will juts land in the desert.

As a result there has been only 1 casualty.

A Palestinian man in the West Bank who arrived there from Gaza recently.

There is a nsfl video out there of a spent rocket falling directly on him crushing him. It's insane because if he was just 10 feet in any direction it would have missed.

Iran considers the matter "closed".

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