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Looking into it more, it looks like the generally agreed upon maybe shooter was this guy

Ryan Wesley Routh

And from all details of his history looks to be another right winger nut job that decided trump was gonna be who he shoots for some reason. He was a gun nut and a covid conspiracy nutjob and voted for trump last election.

It's wild that trump might have been through two assassination attempts, and both times its useless rhetorically for the republican party cause it was a right wing nutjob both times

Trump apparently posted "I hate tayor swift" in all caps, very mature man

As with the last case, it's more messy than "muh right-wing extremist":

• He did vote for Trump… back in 2016, and had turned on him by 2020, saying that he would be "glad when he's gone".
• He had fought for Ukraine as a foreign volunteer.
• The last tweets on the account identified as having belonged to him, @RyanRouth, seem to imply he began seeing Biden and Harris as examples of "real leaders".
• Reports on what the hell he was registered to vote under vary wildly, but it's possible he had himself listed as "unaffiliated".
• Either him or someone else with the same name from the same area has a rap sheet a mile long.

No I dont feel bad for Trump either I live in Honduras people having their lives threatened is what you have to deal with every goddamn wenesday here. Also I am sure a lot of Trump more radical supporters would try to kill Kamala and in fact WILL try to kill Kamala eventually anyway.

But I find this assasination attempts fucking pathetic…Gen Zs cant do anything well apparently and is this really how you want to deal with Trump? fucking murder?

At least aim well you terminally online violent losers….jesus christ

Right wing extremists can absolutely believe in those things. Its why I didnt call him "republican", he was a white nutjob with mental health issues and a history of criminal behavior. The only thing we know is that he wasn't a lefty trying to take out his glorious overlords opposition because he thinks immigration is great or whatever. More likely his degrading mental state as seen from his rap sheet resulted in him feeling betrayed by trump or something.

Honestly, it could very well be completely unrelated, for the time being I dont think anyone but the authorities knows full well.

wether trump was the target or not wont matter tho, the sole fact that a shooting occured in the near vicinity of a presidential candidate mere months before the election AND that this happened not that long AFTER a straight up assasination attempt, will rile up political extremist and sensasionalist of all strides and sides…. already seen people on twitter blame all sorts of stuff: that it was ukraine, the jews, the commies, "the swamp" and so on and so forth, you know the drill.

honestly, I learned about this by clicking on the "AK-47" tag on twitter because it caught my attention and first thing I saw was a verified account called "russian market" or something saying stuff along the lines of "THE SHOOTER HAD AN AK-47, IT IS MOST LIKELY UKRAINE SUPPLIED THE WEAPON" …. musk's twitter everyone…

Its the USA too, people shooting themselves is what happens every months especially when it comes to shooting up schools….this is just a political spin to the chaotic gun filled mess the USA is locked in

Oh wait , we actually know who the guy is… guess my whole "writte a big ass paragraph" thing came to bite my ass.

does that picture dan posted look anything like a zoomer to you?

After this phase of trying to kill politcal leaders end a bunch of loonies will go back to shooting up abortion clinics or whatever is the new violent fad among political radicals.

this isnt entirely new in a way, Its a cycle, its like poetry it rhymes.

Concept of thoughts and prayers for trump

Anyway in more news of how corrupt trump is the supreme court was meddling in the trump and jan 6 cases

ummm… Leon… you might want to, as your hero tells you, "clean your room"

what? who is Leon? Sorry I am a bit confused by your comment

So that's the second shooting incident involving Trump after a debate. Maybe that's why he refused the next one?

Oh shit , you might be onto something.

"every time i go on stage i get shot at, fuck this shit i'm done"

honestly couldn't blame him if that's the thinking he's going with

Consensual sex with a very beautiful celebrity is gross to you?
I guess couples with the idea that you think women would be so tyrannical as to not tolerating their significant other spending an hour two every week posting on a forum. Deep incel energy there man. Bro, some free life advice: stop obsessing over me, I'm flattered, but you need to work on yourself a bit and learn to view women as independent humans and not tyrannical matriarchs. Namaste.

Leon is what Trump's brain remembers "Elon Musk" as. "Clean your room" is something Jordan Peterson says, and it's often used by people that want to tell you what to do before they see to their own mess first.

Oh ok thank you I get it now

I agree completely yeah, fix that mess you created Elon you are absokuteky helping in the almost killing Trump!

Of course I cant judge too harshly how batshit insanity of Thr USA without being a hipocrite, I literally live in hell (Honduras the moat crime ridden place in the already lousy latinoamerica)

I mean it is a crazy place but so is my country and me for that matter.

>trump survives another assassination attempt

Musk tweeted this several hours ago. I don't understand why he would tweet this. Is he trying to incite violence?

Reddit link in case original tweet gets deleted.

Of course he is

The theme for the past few weeks seems to have inadvertently been about responsible discourse. Politicians (or Billionaires like Musk) painting a target, and than acting surprised when there's an event is not acceptable, there's very little plausible deniability left.

Take what Trump said about Haitians, that has led to a surge of incidents, and in a confrontation that there were bomb threats partially because of what he said? Trump doubled down on "it's because of illegal immigrants" (the legal immigrants in Springfield were the victims, it's his brownshirts who were doing it). All the while Vance his fellow candidate outright admitted to lying and not caring.

They figuratively unleashed their usual uncontrolled mob and have done so for years, and sometimes those thugs kill the people they want and spread fear, but sometimes they do something unexpected (risks of using people many of whom are often mentally ill). All the more damning because Trump was victim of one assassination attempt, and Trump hadn't learned a damned thing after the first one. With the second one like the first we don't know the motif, but speculation is rife (QAnon for the first or the Ukraine War for the second being two big ones), and the background both seem very similar.

It's already years too late for this, but there has to be more responsibility involved.

I am beginning to feel like Trump being nominated for president was better than Vance.
Vance behaves like a manchild which makes sense because he is a Millenial.

I used to say Trump was the man without qualifies, but in retrospect Vance doesn't even have the capacity to make an argument, charm or even lie. Vance doesn't even have the excuse of age, he's just actively repellent.

Plus, I think Trump is an outright crook, but I think Vance truly believes the shit he's peddling. Like with De Santis, that's more dangerous. His links with the project 2025 and techno-autocrat scene (and yes, Project 2025 has a section which would completely deregulate big tech & social media) is also known (it's why disavowing Project 2025 is worthless as long as Vance is the Vice-President and may even be President if Trump dies).

The Rise of Techno-authoritarianism

Dismissing it as "right-wing silicon valley" says a lot more about the American Right than anything else, now that they're now actively quoted talking about dismantling democracy for their "enlightened" rule. I hope people don't think the issue ends with Trump.

I'm going to post more links about J.D Vance and the Techno-autocrats:

JD Vance And Peter Thiel: What To Know About The Relationship Between Trump’s VP Pick And The Billionaire (This is Forbes by the way)

Elon Musk et Peter Thiel mettent leurs fortunes et leurs réseaux au service de Donald Trump et de J. D. Vance

Plus translation

Inside the powerful Peter Thiel network that anointed JD Vance

I know some will try to play it down, but I'd like to point out that they played down and even supported Theocrats in the US, and now they've gotten people killed and are actively attacking separation of Church and State (and those groups have outright taken over some schools proving that they were the ones who wanted to influence curriculums and brainwash people). They played down and supported the 'illiberal democracies" like with Orban's Hungary (or even at one point Russia), than those wannabe dictators revealed themselves to be as much as a Democracy as North Korea is a Republic. They even played down and supported these alt-right groups (before and even after Charlottesville), and now the Proud Boys march on Springfield as the KKK threaten.

At some point, it becomes providing cover for extremist groups and factions.

I think I get what he was trying to say, but he said it in a profoundly stupid way.

Basically, Trump has been the target of a continuous, multifaceted, eight-year-long campaign trying to paint him as an ontologically evil threat to "our democracy", a Literally Hitler. I believe some might call this "stochastic terrorism", and the fostering of this perpetual froth has invariably gone beyond the presumed intended effect of making people vote Blue no matter who. By contrast, the equivalent campaign against Biden and Harris has been shorter, and while similarly histrionic, is much less omnipresent.

just ignore him, he's projecting his insecurities on someone he hates because he can't stand the thought of someone not being as miserable as him

On that note about stochastic terrorism, I hope you are equally concerned by the recent rumors spread by a certain party about Haitian immigrants in Springfield.

Trump said that immigrants are 'animals.'

The FBI visited the house of the owner of the 'Libertarian Party of New Hampshire' Twitter account after he was reported for posting and deleting a tweet stating that anyone who assassinates Kamala Harris should be a 'hero.'

Maybe stop killing each other so frequently

No one tell him his ancestors were immigrants.
If immigrant is a Russian, he will regret saying that because average Russian male has balls of steel. Trump doesn't.
Next thing Trump will say is Greeks are ugly morons who did nothing good for history and he will regret it.

Incoming defense on how "that;s actually not bad" in 321

WOW
This guy is actual human trash.
I am now far beyond having patience for ANY MAGgAt who is still willing to stick up for him once they hear this.
Trump, Elon, Vance, all of them and their fellow sewer rat brethren are complete sub human trash.
I am DONE.

KZN02 posted:

On that note about stochastic terrorism, I hope you are equally concerned by the recent rumors spread by a certain party about Haitian immigrants in Springfield.

I am utterly sick of users on this hellhole site who don't ever utter a goddamn peep about anything currently happening UNLESS they see an opportunity to turn it into "Bu-Bu-BuH, dUh LeHfDeEs!!!!!!". Absolutely foul. Hell, I would dare suggest it borders on cowardice.
I will not come anywhere close to acting like the Left are the undisputed heroes of this tale (still not sure how much I can genuinely trust Kamala, or even Walz to an extent), but garbage like this actively distracts from the ACTUAL atrocities being committed by Trump and his cult right now. That is NOT something we can afford at this point.

…ok. I'll admit this isn't as black and white as I thought. I spoke too rashly far too soon.
Trump was specifically referring to what happened to Laken Riley, which he discusses starting at 10:36 of this video.
If any of you guys want to laugh at me then feel free to do so…
i'm still not forgiving his sewer rat followers
and the perpetrator was Venezuelan, not Haitian

Are you concerned about the assassination attempt yourself? You seem more interested in shifting the blame and changing the subject.

Speaking of blame, the Trump campaign seems like it's no longer fucking around, and has released a list of statements they say inspired the assassination attempts. It's not even exhaustive, though if they tried to list every damn time people recycled the "threat to Our Democracy™" line, the page would be unreasonably long. Most interesting are the statements that aren't recycled, since those they list are much closer to genuine calls for violence, rather than just fearmongering.

So much for freedom of speech

That list is honestly rather embarrassing. While there are certain quotes that I do think merit universal condemnation (the ones that do call for his actual death or unambiguous real violence), those are mostly from people who I have never heard of. While that's not to dismiss these, these few that merit attention are flooded out by all the noise that is just the political garbage thrown around by both sides for the last twenty-plus years.

The fact they use the term "deplorable commentary" is hilariously ironic given the word's usage in 2016 And using this descriptor on statements of "we must stop Trump?" and "Vance … incite[s] potential violence with lies." after the campaigns well documented spreading of misinformation lead to multiple bomb threats and shutdowns in Ohio is just bizarre.

At least Hillary's use of the word in context was ultimately trying to bridge divisions between parties "- that other basket of people are people who feel the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures; and they're just desperate for change… …Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well."

Trump has encouraged people to vote twice suggested he would disregard term limits, saying he would only accept the results of the 2020 election if he won, insisting that he won after it was clear he didn't, asserting that he only lost because of voter fraud, asking Georgia secretary of State to find him more votes. People in power supporting him tried to get electors who wouldvote for Trump contrary to the actual votes.

This is all extensively documented. I refuse to believe that you are so ignorant to be both unaware of these and to think that this is somehow not meeting the definition of being "a threat to democracy". If you're mad at anything, be mad at the past 20+ years of politics that have made statements like "threat to democracy" so overused that when someone openly shows contempt for it, it rings hollow.

“fearmongering”
so you mean pointing out actual things trump has said or done right?

I did not expect Ryan to say the r-word.
He really did sound crazy.

I mean are we sure Trump didnt stage his own assasination?

JD Vance says the United States’ support for NATO should be contingent on Europe’s support for Elon Musk and Twitter. 🤦‍♂️

Yes, I am concerned Trump has a pattern of making decisions that make it difficult for his Secret Service to protect him from assassination attempts.

he has to be a double agent. he's trying to destroy Trump

I see why he wants Project 2025 to happen. So that he can make Trump even worse than ever before.

Occam’s Razor would say it’s more likely Trump’s decisions to prioritize his ego and saving money over security against the advice of his Secret Service contributed to the recent asssassination attempts on him.

One can hope so, but I think it's just based on Vance's connections with Elon Musk (he's being bankrolled by him as shown by some of the links I posted), that it's his own decision. It's nice to have events prove your allegations right.

Although, private interest groups dictating public policy isn't new, big tech affecting NATO this way is. Clumsy too, it didn't work when Trump was trying to leverage NATO for his trade war (among other attempts), and if anything it'll probably backfire.

This just undercut a lot of plausible deniability.