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@Rose

I have been wondering about her for a while, and I have a theory. I agree that Rose is more of a mastermind than she first appears, but the explanations leave some questions open:

1) How did Rose know that the Homeworld gems would use disruption technology?
2) If Rose knew about this technology, then why do the Crystal Gems not use it?
3) If the Homeworld gems have this tech, then how did she overcome it in the war?

I have a theory which answers these questions, while also explaining some other mysteries in the show. To explain it, we should first look at this image:

This is clearly an image of Rose casting some kind of energy attack against one of the diamonds – who we can infer was the leader of the Homeworld gem forces during the war. Around Rose are several figures who we can interpret to be the Crystal Gem forces. As Pearl said in “Rose’s Scabbard,” Rose was able to protect a small number of her friends using her shield powers.

So what did this power do? Here is what I believe: Rose was using a crude form of gem disruption technology, which she invented/perfected and then deployed to great effect against the Homeworld gems as a last resort during the war.

To explain why I believe this, let us look at what gem disruptors actually do and how they work. We know that gem bodies are just projections, and that in order to kill a gem you must destroy the gemstone embedded in their body. We also know that damage to the stone can physically impair the gem in various ways – as we saw with both Amethyst and Lapis.

What else do we know about damaged gems? We know that the monsters fought for the duration of the series are gems who have been corrupted (how? I’ll get to that), and that the Crystal Gems have been hoarding them until they can figure out ways to fix them. This has been going on since at least just before Rose met Greg (since we saw Garnet bubbling two stones during the episode). It is also possible to infer that these gems are corrupted in a way that goes beyond mere physical damage, since Rose’s healing magic has been shown to easily fix cracked gems. Their corruption is far more fundamental than that. We also know that it is likely that the identities of some of these gems are probably known – as indicated by the bit of bismuth bubbled in the secret room in Lion’s mane.

So then where did these corrupted gems come from? My theory is that Rose’s final attack created them – that they are the remnants of the Homeworld gem army and the Crystal Gems who were not protected.

The chain of events: Rose knows that she is going to have to fight the Homeworld gems to protect the earth, but that she is likely to fail in direct combat. But Rose is a genius, and is also willing to make tactical sacrifices to serve the greater good. She develops a bomb that releases gem disruption energy – effectively a very crude version of the disruptors we saw Jasper and Peridot use. The Homeworld gems do not have this technology at all: the strawberry battlefield is littered with the kinds of melee weapons we see the gems commonly wielding, but not a single object identifiable as a disruptor. So Rose engages the army, fights them and, seeing that she is about to be overwhelmed, pulls whomever she can save into her bubble and then detonates the bomb, wiping out the army and littering the field with the corrupted gemstones of her friends and enemies. The earth is saved, but at a terrible price.

This brings me to a telling bit of information we can infer from Jasper:

1) She was a survivor of the war, so the Homeworld gems were not completely wiped out, and presumably learned what Rose was capable of after the fight.
2) Jasper “respected” Rose’s tactics. This is rather damning praise: Jasper is the most aggressive and violent gem we have encountered so far, seemingly the opposite of Rose in terms of personality. What would Rose have to do to earn Jasper’s respect? Detonating the equivalent of a nuclear warhead seems about right.

Why I do not think that Rose manipulated Greg in “Story for Steven”

Rose has some saving graces here, and they stem at first from a single fact: it is clear from the costume changes that all of Garnet, Amethyst, and Pearl received mortal wounds at some point after Greg met them, since all of them have different costumes in that episode. Rose, however, seems to have the same costume in both that episode and the video she made for Steven. So obviously some disaster happened from which Rose was spared.

What do I think it was? Well, remember that probe in “Laser Light Canon”? The one that, in retrospect, was clearly a Homeworld scout? What if that wasn’t the first time the Homeworld gems showed an interest in the earth again? What if the first time they did was after the meeting with Greg?

My speculation: for about 5,000 years Rose seems to have done nothing to prepare for the possibility of the Homeworld return. Then, all at once, she has to sacrifice herself in order to execute what is, admittedly, a pretty risky plan: creating someone with powers that the gems have never seen before, but who also is too young to properly use them. This looks like a plan that was thrown together quickly. And if her plan had always been to manipulate some guy into having a kid with her, she had all of five millennia to pick someone out. Using Greg seems more opportunistic than anything else.

So what I think happened is, Rose thought that the Homeworld was basically done with Earth after the war, and so she and the other Crystal Gems just contented themselves with figuring out a way to fix the corruption of the gems they found. Then, sometime after “Story for Steven” takes place, the Homeworld sends some kind of scouting robot, which catches the gems by surprise and uses gem disruption technology – now with about 5,000 years of technological advancement – to wipe out Garnet, Amethyst, and Pearl. Rose, protected with her shield, was able to defeat it, but was forced to recognize the unthinkable: the Homeworld gems were preparing to attack the earth again, this time using technology that she herself had invented, but refined to a point beyond anything she could imagine. If she did not do something soon, she knew, the earth would be defenceless.

So she turns to Greg. She knows that, just like in the war, her best chance is to create something that the enemy has never seen before, and then use it to disrupt their plans and scatter them. Since Greg is the only human that she trusts enough, she uses him to create the first ever gem-human hybrid, a being with all of her powers that would also be immune to disruption technology. She has to do it quickly, so that the kid would have time to grow up and gain experience. It might well be that the deed had been done before the other Crystal Gems had revived from the attack, so that they woke up to find that Rose was suddenly gone.

But the plan worked brilliantly. There has not been an instance yet in which Steven did not manifest one of Rose’s powers: he has the shield, he can fuse, he can heal people, he can access Lion’s mane, he can transform himself. All he lacks is experience and training. And he can do things that Rose never could. For if he had not been able to overcome the disruption-based force fields, “Jailbreak” would have gone a lot differently.

So that is my theory: Rose is a tactical mastermind, but she is also deeply humane. She fully understands the implications of her actions, and feels true and genuine love for Greg, the Crystal Gems, Steven, and life on earth. And while she has sacrificed others to achieve victory, she has also sacrificed herself. Because she is motivated not by a capricious disregard, but by the recognition that sometimes a little death is the price of preserving life.

And so that is my theory: Steven was created on short notice, with a man she loved already, and in response to a threat that she herself helped create. Rose is a tactical genius, but one without a trace of Machiavellianism. I do not doubt at all that she felt the pain of all those deaths up to the final moments of her life.

Last edited Apr 17, 2015 at 08:34PM EDT

Platus wrote:

@Rose

I have been wondering about her for a while, and I have a theory. I agree that Rose is more of a mastermind than she first appears, but the explanations leave some questions open:

1) How did Rose know that the Homeworld gems would use disruption technology?
2) If Rose knew about this technology, then why do the Crystal Gems not use it?
3) If the Homeworld gems have this tech, then how did she overcome it in the war?

I have a theory which answers these questions, while also explaining some other mysteries in the show. To explain it, we should first look at this image:

This is clearly an image of Rose casting some kind of energy attack against one of the diamonds – who we can infer was the leader of the Homeworld gem forces during the war. Around Rose are several figures who we can interpret to be the Crystal Gem forces. As Pearl said in “Rose’s Scabbard,” Rose was able to protect a small number of her friends using her shield powers.

So what did this power do? Here is what I believe: Rose was using a crude form of gem disruption technology, which she invented/perfected and then deployed to great effect against the Homeworld gems as a last resort during the war.

To explain why I believe this, let us look at what gem disruptors actually do and how they work. We know that gem bodies are just projections, and that in order to kill a gem you must destroy the gemstone embedded in their body. We also know that damage to the stone can physically impair the gem in various ways – as we saw with both Amethyst and Lapis.

What else do we know about damaged gems? We know that the monsters fought for the duration of the series are gems who have been corrupted (how? I’ll get to that), and that the Crystal Gems have been hoarding them until they can figure out ways to fix them. This has been going on since at least just before Rose met Greg (since we saw Garnet bubbling two stones during the episode). It is also possible to infer that these gems are corrupted in a way that goes beyond mere physical damage, since Rose’s healing magic has been shown to easily fix cracked gems. Their corruption is far more fundamental than that. We also know that it is likely that the identities of some of these gems are probably known – as indicated by the bit of bismuth bubbled in the secret room in Lion’s mane.

So then where did these corrupted gems come from? My theory is that Rose’s final attack created them – that they are the remnants of the Homeworld gem army and the Crystal Gems who were not protected.

The chain of events: Rose knows that she is going to have to fight the Homeworld gems to protect the earth, but that she is likely to fail in direct combat. But Rose is a genius, and is also willing to make tactical sacrifices to serve the greater good. She develops a bomb that releases gem disruption energy – effectively a very crude version of the disruptors we saw Jasper and Peridot use. The Homeworld gems do not have this technology at all: the strawberry battlefield is littered with the kinds of melee weapons we see the gems commonly wielding, but not a single object identifiable as a disruptor. So Rose engages the army, fights them and, seeing that she is about to be overwhelmed, pulls whomever she can save into her bubble and then detonates the bomb, wiping out the army and littering the field with the corrupted gemstones of her friends and enemies. The earth is saved, but at a terrible price.

This brings me to a telling bit of information we can infer from Jasper:

1) She was a survivor of the war, so the Homeworld gems were not completely wiped out, and presumably learned what Rose was capable of after the fight.
2) Jasper “respected” Rose’s tactics. This is rather damning praise: Jasper is the most aggressive and violent gem we have encountered so far, seemingly the opposite of Rose in terms of personality. What would Rose have to do to earn Jasper’s respect? Detonating the equivalent of a nuclear warhead seems about right.

Why I do not think that Rose manipulated Greg in “Story for Steven”

Rose has some saving graces here, and they stem at first from a single fact: it is clear from the costume changes that all of Garnet, Amethyst, and Pearl received mortal wounds at some point after Greg met them, since all of them have different costumes in that episode. Rose, however, seems to have the same costume in both that episode and the video she made for Steven. So obviously some disaster happened from which Rose was spared.

What do I think it was? Well, remember that probe in “Laser Light Canon”? The one that, in retrospect, was clearly a Homeworld scout? What if that wasn’t the first time the Homeworld gems showed an interest in the earth again? What if the first time they did was after the meeting with Greg?

My speculation: for about 5,000 years Rose seems to have done nothing to prepare for the possibility of the Homeworld return. Then, all at once, she has to sacrifice herself in order to execute what is, admittedly, a pretty risky plan: creating someone with powers that the gems have never seen before, but who also is too young to properly use them. This looks like a plan that was thrown together quickly. And if her plan had always been to manipulate some guy into having a kid with her, she had all of five millennia to pick someone out. Using Greg seems more opportunistic than anything else.

So what I think happened is, Rose thought that the Homeworld was basically done with Earth after the war, and so she and the other Crystal Gems just contented themselves with figuring out a way to fix the corruption of the gems they found. Then, sometime after “Story for Steven” takes place, the Homeworld sends some kind of scouting robot, which catches the gems by surprise and uses gem disruption technology – now with about 5,000 years of technological advancement – to wipe out Garnet, Amethyst, and Pearl. Rose, protected with her shield, was able to defeat it, but was forced to recognize the unthinkable: the Homeworld gems were preparing to attack the earth again, this time using technology that she herself had invented, but refined to a point beyond anything she could imagine. If she did not do something soon, she knew, the earth would be defenceless.

So she turns to Greg. She knows that, just like in the war, her best chance is to create something that the enemy has never seen before, and then use it to disrupt their plans and scatter them. Since Greg is the only human that she trusts enough, she uses him to create the first ever gem-human hybrid, a being with all of her powers that would also be immune to disruption technology. She has to do it quickly, so that the kid would have time to grow up and gain experience. It might well be that the deed had been done before the other Crystal Gems had revived from the attack, so that they woke up to find that Rose was suddenly gone.

But the plan worked brilliantly. There has not been an instance yet in which Steven did not manifest one of Rose’s powers: he has the shield, he can fuse, he can heal people, he can access Lion’s mane, he can transform himself. All he lacks is experience and training. And he can do things that Rose never could. For if he had not been able to overcome the disruption-based force fields, “Jailbreak” would have gone a lot differently.

So that is my theory: Rose is a tactical mastermind, but she is also deeply humane. She fully understands the implications of her actions, and feels true and genuine love for Greg, the Crystal Gems, Steven, and life on earth. And while she has sacrificed others to achieve victory, she has also sacrificed herself. Because she is motivated not by a capricious disregard, but by the recognition that sometimes a little death is the price of preserving life.

And so that is my theory: Steven was created on short notice, with a man she loved already, and in response to a threat that she herself helped create. Rose is a tactical genius, but one without a trace of Machiavellianism. I do not doubt at all that she felt the pain of all those deaths up to the final moments of her life.

Well guess it's time to edit the WMG page at TV Tropes…

Seriously that seems like a good theory

@ Shirt Club

The episode was definitely filler-ish, but it did let us see how Buck interacts with his dad, which is nice. It's probably just the meme site talking, but the episode is definitely a good chunk about memes. It's also nice to see that the Crystal Gems, as much as they care for Steven, will leave him with his own problems so long as they are obstacles he should be able to handle on his own. Did anybody else find the line 'Peace in the Middle East' kinda funny? It's pretty relevant right now.

@ Platus' Theory

It makes a great deal of sense and I like it lots. Real intricate. I wonder how much this matches up with the actual story of the show. Will the show go as far as to say Rose isn't all sunshine and rainbows?

There was one thing Platus brought up that's been bugging me: The Bismuth 'gem' bubbled up in Lion's Mane.

I heard somewhere that Bismuth isn't really a gem. It's a type of metal.

… Since I'm going to write about one of the theories I think is plausible I might as well bring up the three theories I find very interesting. In order:

1.Vidalia is Sour Cream and Onion's Mom

Just about everybody has pondered on this already. But yeah, I have no doubts Vidalia and Marty will be making appearances again in the show soon. The next question though is how vital are these two (and suddenly Sour Cream, Onion, and Yellow Tail,) to the story? Marty is ultimately connected to Greg, but will any of this get in the way of Gem business?

2. Bismuth is not a Gem

As I've said before, Bismuth is a type of metal. (I'd have screen capped Bismuth in Lion's Mane but I'm too lazy :P) The theory goes that Bismuth is NOT a gem, but a metal. What if there's a race of metals? What if instead of being the effeminate, loving gems, these are aggressive, masculine brutes?

3. There are Two Hands

Does anyone remember in Jail Break when Steven looked out of the window of the ship? Did anyone find it odd that the next scene shown to us is the ship Steven is on (rather than a view of Earth,) or did anybody think that Steven was looking at another hand ship?

The image above is the only time there was a right-handed ship. If you go through the episodes Jail Break and The Return you'd see that every time the ship makes an appearance -- excluding this one -- it's a left hand. The right-hand ship probably can't be seen from Earth because its too far up in space. Steven could have forgotten about it because of everything that was happening. What if it's an abandoned ship? What if the right-hand ship is the means Steven and the Gems get to the Homeworld in season 5 or something?

Last edited Apr 18, 2015 at 02:50AM EDT

@Bismuth

I'm wary of the "race of metals" interpretation. I don't dismiss it, but I do think that there is very little evidence for it. All we have so far, it seems, is the existence of the bismuth crystal. And its use has two contravening factors:

1) Pearl is treated like a gem. This is despite the fact that the structure and formation of a pearl is very different from that of regular gemstones: naturally formed pearls are composed of nacre, otherwise known as mother of pearl, which is a form of calcium carbonate (CaCO3). Variations of this substance are found in animal shells, egg shells, and peat bog deposits. The pearls form when nacre sheets are layered on top of each other inside of a mollusk. Under an electron microscope, it looks like this:

In short, pearls, though treated culturally as precious gemstones, are in their chemistry, structure, and formation anything but. And yet Pearl is treated as part of the same species as Garnet and Amethyst, whose gemstones are types of minerals. Clearly, the definition of "gem" used in the show is a lose one.

2) While bismuth is indeed a metal, it does take on a crystalline structure under certain conditions (you can even make crystal bismuth in your kitchen). This wouldn't be the first time that a metal taking on a crystalline form was included as a "gem" – rubies and sapphires, for example, are just crystalline forms of aluminum oxide (Al2O3). (So no wonder they make such a good couple – they have the same chemical equation!)

So the definition of "gem" for the purpose of the show seems fairly loose, and it appears enough that a stone is generally treated as a gemstone culturally and/or has a crystalline structure. Bismuth would seem to qualify.

But of course, new information could dash all that. The unfortunate fact is that we know so little about what is happening outside the earth in this show that the whole Homeworld could have been conquered by the Tyranids or some nonsense like that and we'd be none the wiser.

@Vidalia and Marty:
It's not much of a stretch to say Vidalia is Onion's mom (seeing as Vidalia means Onion and… well… she literally looks like and onion), and Joy Ride confirmed that Sour Cream is Onion's brother when Sour Cream imitated his dad's lecture and he spoke like Yollowtail (ok this is seriously starting to sound like I'm listing My Little Pony names). Did Sour Cream refer to Yellowtail as his stepdad? I remember Sour Cream referring to him as his dad and I'm too lazy to look through the episode again. Either way, I'm skeptical of Marty being Sour Cream's biological dad. Yes, I do think he and Vidalia had sex in Greg's van, but It just seems to be a liiiiitttle bit of a stretch to me that Marty's the father, and it doesn't help that we don't know very much specific information so arguing for or against it means we'd have to argue about headcanons. But here's why I don't think Marty is the father: First, I don't see much familial resemblance other than they both have blonde hair that's kinda spikey. If Marty shared other attributes like Sour Cream's moon shaped head or his big blue eyes there would be more of an argument, but right now there's not enough for me to be convinced. Second, and here's where the headcanon really takes off, the time frame doesn't line up right to me. Going from the fashion and aesthetics of the episode, I would say Story for Steven took place mid-to-late 80s. We can safely say the Steven Universe canon takes place in modern day going from the fashion that the teens are wearing and the fact that Steven's a 12 year old kid with a smart phone. I imagine Sour Cream is still in his teens/high school age, but I'd be willing to make a stretch and say Beach City has a community college or something and he's actually a college kid in his early 20s. Either way, if the episode did take place in the 80s Sour Cream would be way older if he were conceived in that van. In order for the timeline to line up right the episode would have to take place in like '93 at the earliest and I really don't think the episode took place in the 90s and it's obvious Marty didn't stick around Beach City after the events of the episode.

So, Marty…

Sorry for the double post, but it's been 9 hours and you guys are being pretty quiet.

Has anyone been following Keep Beach City Weird ? It's a Tumblr blog run by the show, in-character as Renaldo. It's literally supposed to be the blog he keeps talking about on the show. The little bit of it I've seen looks amusing.

Platus wrote:

Sorry for the double post, but it's been 9 hours and you guys are being pretty quiet.

Has anyone been following Keep Beach City Weird ? It's a Tumblr blog run by the show, in-character as Renaldo. It's literally supposed to be the blog he keeps talking about on the show. The little bit of it I've seen looks amusing.

KBCW is interesting because the staff are going beyond the call of duty with this one. There are some other shows I could name that have tried to do this but KBCW actually updates regularly which is, well, fascinating.


Uploaded the day the episode Cat Fingers was aired.

There's also Steven Crewniverse which is run by the staff as well which lets you in on all the concept art and episode promos.

Also:

It's only a matter of time before GMVs (Gem Music Videos) become a thing.

Zaccharine wrote:

How did Steven's healing powers stop working again?

If I remember correctly the whole episode where Greg faked an injury and pretended Steven's healing didn't work on him kinda fucked up Steven's ability to heal. That was really one of the only episodes where I can say I hated Greg. Can't stay mad at that guy for long though, he's just too fluffy.

@Onion Syrup:

Man, I can already see GMVs taking over, and it makes me very happy

Crimson Locks wrote:

If I remember correctly the whole episode where Greg faked an injury and pretended Steven's healing didn't work on him kinda fucked up Steven's ability to heal. That was really one of the only episodes where I can say I hated Greg. Can't stay mad at that guy for long though, he's just too fluffy.

@Onion Syrup:

Man, I can already see GMVs taking over, and it makes me very happy

Wasn't he faking it in that episode though?

After Shock wrote:

Wasn't he faking it in that episode though?

Yes he did, but I think the whole experience left Steven temporarily incapable of invoking his healing powers again. I imagine gem powers can have a mental block to them if the gem goes through some sort of mental stress or trauma.

Crimson Locks wrote:

If I remember correctly the whole episode where Greg faked an injury and pretended Steven's healing didn't work on him kinda fucked up Steven's ability to heal. That was really one of the only episodes where I can say I hated Greg. Can't stay mad at that guy for long though, he's just too fluffy.

@Onion Syrup:

Man, I can already see GMVs taking over, and it makes me very happy

So his power stopped working because he thought they stopped working?

Platus wrote:

@Rose

I have been wondering about her for a while, and I have a theory. I agree that Rose is more of a mastermind than she first appears, but the explanations leave some questions open:

1) How did Rose know that the Homeworld gems would use disruption technology?
2) If Rose knew about this technology, then why do the Crystal Gems not use it?
3) If the Homeworld gems have this tech, then how did she overcome it in the war?

I have a theory which answers these questions, while also explaining some other mysteries in the show. To explain it, we should first look at this image:

This is clearly an image of Rose casting some kind of energy attack against one of the diamonds – who we can infer was the leader of the Homeworld gem forces during the war. Around Rose are several figures who we can interpret to be the Crystal Gem forces. As Pearl said in “Rose’s Scabbard,” Rose was able to protect a small number of her friends using her shield powers.

So what did this power do? Here is what I believe: Rose was using a crude form of gem disruption technology, which she invented/perfected and then deployed to great effect against the Homeworld gems as a last resort during the war.

To explain why I believe this, let us look at what gem disruptors actually do and how they work. We know that gem bodies are just projections, and that in order to kill a gem you must destroy the gemstone embedded in their body. We also know that damage to the stone can physically impair the gem in various ways – as we saw with both Amethyst and Lapis.

What else do we know about damaged gems? We know that the monsters fought for the duration of the series are gems who have been corrupted (how? I’ll get to that), and that the Crystal Gems have been hoarding them until they can figure out ways to fix them. This has been going on since at least just before Rose met Greg (since we saw Garnet bubbling two stones during the episode). It is also possible to infer that these gems are corrupted in a way that goes beyond mere physical damage, since Rose’s healing magic has been shown to easily fix cracked gems. Their corruption is far more fundamental than that. We also know that it is likely that the identities of some of these gems are probably known – as indicated by the bit of bismuth bubbled in the secret room in Lion’s mane.

So then where did these corrupted gems come from? My theory is that Rose’s final attack created them – that they are the remnants of the Homeworld gem army and the Crystal Gems who were not protected.

The chain of events: Rose knows that she is going to have to fight the Homeworld gems to protect the earth, but that she is likely to fail in direct combat. But Rose is a genius, and is also willing to make tactical sacrifices to serve the greater good. She develops a bomb that releases gem disruption energy – effectively a very crude version of the disruptors we saw Jasper and Peridot use. The Homeworld gems do not have this technology at all: the strawberry battlefield is littered with the kinds of melee weapons we see the gems commonly wielding, but not a single object identifiable as a disruptor. So Rose engages the army, fights them and, seeing that she is about to be overwhelmed, pulls whomever she can save into her bubble and then detonates the bomb, wiping out the army and littering the field with the corrupted gemstones of her friends and enemies. The earth is saved, but at a terrible price.

This brings me to a telling bit of information we can infer from Jasper:

1) She was a survivor of the war, so the Homeworld gems were not completely wiped out, and presumably learned what Rose was capable of after the fight.
2) Jasper “respected” Rose’s tactics. This is rather damning praise: Jasper is the most aggressive and violent gem we have encountered so far, seemingly the opposite of Rose in terms of personality. What would Rose have to do to earn Jasper’s respect? Detonating the equivalent of a nuclear warhead seems about right.

Why I do not think that Rose manipulated Greg in “Story for Steven”

Rose has some saving graces here, and they stem at first from a single fact: it is clear from the costume changes that all of Garnet, Amethyst, and Pearl received mortal wounds at some point after Greg met them, since all of them have different costumes in that episode. Rose, however, seems to have the same costume in both that episode and the video she made for Steven. So obviously some disaster happened from which Rose was spared.

What do I think it was? Well, remember that probe in “Laser Light Canon”? The one that, in retrospect, was clearly a Homeworld scout? What if that wasn’t the first time the Homeworld gems showed an interest in the earth again? What if the first time they did was after the meeting with Greg?

My speculation: for about 5,000 years Rose seems to have done nothing to prepare for the possibility of the Homeworld return. Then, all at once, she has to sacrifice herself in order to execute what is, admittedly, a pretty risky plan: creating someone with powers that the gems have never seen before, but who also is too young to properly use them. This looks like a plan that was thrown together quickly. And if her plan had always been to manipulate some guy into having a kid with her, she had all of five millennia to pick someone out. Using Greg seems more opportunistic than anything else.

So what I think happened is, Rose thought that the Homeworld was basically done with Earth after the war, and so she and the other Crystal Gems just contented themselves with figuring out a way to fix the corruption of the gems they found. Then, sometime after “Story for Steven” takes place, the Homeworld sends some kind of scouting robot, which catches the gems by surprise and uses gem disruption technology – now with about 5,000 years of technological advancement – to wipe out Garnet, Amethyst, and Pearl. Rose, protected with her shield, was able to defeat it, but was forced to recognize the unthinkable: the Homeworld gems were preparing to attack the earth again, this time using technology that she herself had invented, but refined to a point beyond anything she could imagine. If she did not do something soon, she knew, the earth would be defenceless.

So she turns to Greg. She knows that, just like in the war, her best chance is to create something that the enemy has never seen before, and then use it to disrupt their plans and scatter them. Since Greg is the only human that she trusts enough, she uses him to create the first ever gem-human hybrid, a being with all of her powers that would also be immune to disruption technology. She has to do it quickly, so that the kid would have time to grow up and gain experience. It might well be that the deed had been done before the other Crystal Gems had revived from the attack, so that they woke up to find that Rose was suddenly gone.

But the plan worked brilliantly. There has not been an instance yet in which Steven did not manifest one of Rose’s powers: he has the shield, he can fuse, he can heal people, he can access Lion’s mane, he can transform himself. All he lacks is experience and training. And he can do things that Rose never could. For if he had not been able to overcome the disruption-based force fields, “Jailbreak” would have gone a lot differently.

So that is my theory: Rose is a tactical mastermind, but she is also deeply humane. She fully understands the implications of her actions, and feels true and genuine love for Greg, the Crystal Gems, Steven, and life on earth. And while she has sacrificed others to achieve victory, she has also sacrificed herself. Because she is motivated not by a capricious disregard, but by the recognition that sometimes a little death is the price of preserving life.

And so that is my theory: Steven was created on short notice, with a man she loved already, and in response to a threat that she herself helped create. Rose is a tactical genius, but one without a trace of Machiavellianism. I do not doubt at all that she felt the pain of all those deaths up to the final moments of her life.

I've got one more ingredient to add to your theory, regarding Steven's abilities as a gem-human hybrid.

Steven seems to be able to shapeshift color as well as just shape.
Note how the other gems retain their colors as they transform:


But take a look at Steven's cat-fingers:

Nothing on Steven's body is originally yellow or orange (I hope), and only his scleras were white.
I think that this means that if he develops his shapeshifting enough, he would be able to completely mimic the appearance of other people, or other gems. This would allow him to infiltrate Homeworld to an extent.

Last edited Apr 20, 2015 at 01:05PM EDT

@Transformation

That is a really good point. Everyone keeps acting as though his organic body is a hindrance, but so far that hasn't really proven true (what weaknesses he has are better explained by inexperience). If "Cat Fingers" is any indication, it might well prove an asset overall. He could be more powerful, not less, for having an organic body.

Steven is the first gem with an organic body. Nobody knows what he's capable of, the crystal gems don't even know if he can fuse with pure gems. Considering shapeshifting, the cats had a mind of their own, and they were just fingers. What if he shapeshifted into an entire cat? Would the cat for take control over Steven?

Zaccharine wrote:

Steven is the first gem with an organic body. Nobody knows what he's capable of, the crystal gems don't even know if he can fuse with pure gems. Considering shapeshifting, the cats had a mind of their own, and they were just fingers. What if he shapeshifted into an entire cat? Would the cat for take control over Steven?

I think that he is capable of fusing with the other gems, just because it would be a waste of story potential for him not to, and I don't think Rebecca would do that unless it served a very important purpose.

As for the catcer, it's a risk he is eventually going to have to face again on his journey of self-discovery.

I think that Stevonnie would definitely be able to do it, though. Connie's logical, analytical mind could be a good asset for stabilizing Steven's sometimes overactive imagination and unstable emotions that caused his catcer to flare up. Stevonnie isn't all that unstable either; they only broke apart when they were put on the spot by Kevin. That was in a socially, sexually awkward way that isn't likely to occur again, especially not with other Gems. And now that Connie has been redpilled about Gems, I don't doubt that she'd eventually be willing to fuse again if it meant defending the planet.

Urlenmeyer Glass wrote:

I think that he is capable of fusing with the other gems, just because it would be a waste of story potential for him not to, and I don't think Rebecca would do that unless it served a very important purpose.

As for the catcer, it's a risk he is eventually going to have to face again on his journey of self-discovery.

I think that Stevonnie would definitely be able to do it, though. Connie's logical, analytical mind could be a good asset for stabilizing Steven's sometimes overactive imagination and unstable emotions that caused his catcer to flare up. Stevonnie isn't all that unstable either; they only broke apart when they were put on the spot by Kevin. That was in a socially, sexually awkward way that isn't likely to occur again, especially not with other Gems. And now that Connie has been redpilled about Gems, I don't doubt that she'd eventually be willing to fuse again if it meant defending the planet.

We don't know what Stevonnie can do in a fight, all we know is that it can run really fast.

So… Does anybody here think we'll be seeing Sugilite again, or is she just a special guest appearance? Nicki Minaj isn't exactly a person with a lot of time to be a VA on some cartoon; she's a huge celeb with controversial songs to write, talk shows to attend to, and paparazzi to avoid.

Ricenburg wrote:

So… Does anybody here think we'll be seeing Sugilite again, or is she just a special guest appearance? Nicki Minaj isn't exactly a person with a lot of time to be a VA on some cartoon; she's a huge celeb with controversial songs to write, talk shows to attend to, and paparazzi to avoid.

>implying the 2 are mutually exclusive.

Its possible that we'll see Sugilite again, but I'd say that's for now its a special guest appearance

That said considering the issue that were brought up when Amethyst and garnet fused It seems likely that we'll see her again unless a Godzilla Threshold is crossed

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Ricenburg wrote:

So… Does anybody here think we'll be seeing Sugilite again, or is she just a special guest appearance? Nicki Minaj isn't exactly a person with a lot of time to be a VA on some cartoon; she's a huge celeb with controversial songs to write, talk shows to attend to, and paparazzi to avoid.

It's hard to say, none of the fusions besides Garnet have made more than one appearance that involved a speaking role. Is it because most of the fusions have professional singers as their voice actors? Possibly, but at the same time I'm sure we will be seeing a lot of the fusions make a return appearance in a particularly plot-heavy episode. Seeing as Garnet and Amethyst both deeply regretted becoming Sugilite at the end of their episode, I highly doubt Sugilite will make another appearance unless shit really hits the fan (and seeing as this is Steven Universe we're talking about it very well might). She may be a huge celeb whose busy doing controversial things, but if she could make time for one episode she could probably find time somewhere to do an episode or two more if the occasion arises. Or hell, maybe they already have other episodes with Sugilite in it already written and Nicki recorded her lines at the same time she recorded for her debut episode.

Platus wrote:

@Transformation

That is a really good point. Everyone keeps acting as though his organic body is a hindrance, but so far that hasn't really proven true (what weaknesses he has are better explained by inexperience). If "Cat Fingers" is any indication, it might well prove an asset overall. He could be more powerful, not less, for having an organic body.

I was going to point out that he will always need to breathe, but with enough control even that has workarounds; he could shapeshift his lungs into those of a dolphin to hold air for up to an hour in an airless enviroment, or grow gills if he has to go underwater.

Tentacles wrote:

I was going to point out that he will always need to breathe, but with enough control even that has workarounds; he could shapeshift his lungs into those of a dolphin to hold air for up to an hour in an airless enviroment, or grow gills if he has to go underwater.

I think his organic body also requires his to sleep and eat. Gems aren't required to in order to survive but can choose to do so like Amethyst does, but it seems like Steven actually requires things like this.

Ok, so, there is something I have been wondering. First, read this post:

Tl;Dr: gay characters have been removed from Gravity Falls and Adventure Time because including them would get the shows banned in the Chinese and Russian markets.

The question is, how do our beloved gay space rocks make it through? They air on the same station as Adventure Time, so presumably it airs in mostly the same international areas. So if being too overt with the PBG/Marcelline thing would get the show in trouble, presumably "Jail Break" would also have been a problem. Or is there something else at play here?

@Platus:

That reminds me of this image posted in the gallery a while ago

It's a fake though, I believe one of the commenters said SU doesn't air in Russia. Either way, in Russian culture it's considered ok to kiss friends and family even when they're same sex. Seeing as the show never overtly said Ruby and Sapphire are romantically involved and all we see is Sapphire kissing Ruby's cheek I imagine it could get past Russian censors. I'm not sure what's the deal with China though.

Crimson Locks wrote:

@Platus:

That reminds me of this image posted in the gallery a while ago

It's a fake though, I believe one of the commenters said SU doesn't air in Russia. Either way, in Russian culture it's considered ok to kiss friends and family even when they're same sex. Seeing as the show never overtly said Ruby and Sapphire are romantically involved and all we see is Sapphire kissing Ruby's cheek I imagine it could get past Russian censors. I'm not sure what's the deal with China though.

Changing the sex of a character in a dub it's far from unheard of, and in this case it flies by easily because Ruby is VERY androginous. Honestly, if word of god didn't say otherwise, I would think that Ruby is male, even the original voice passes easily for male. In any case, we don't even know if the show has already aired on China; Latin America it's much closer and the episode has not aired yet here.

Food for thought: Would the Gems care if the hurt or kill a human?

I mean think about it. They did kinda hurt Ronaldo in "Keep Beach City Weird" and Steven had to get between him and the Gems before they would of hurt him more. I know that they wanted to protect/save Steven from being seriously harmed, but wouldn't of been a better on saving him?

And here's another thing I've been thinking: Pearl always wants to protect harm, but how is he going to learn to defend himself if she is going to protect him?

Today's episode:

Very funny and I like how it gave a minor(or very minor) character a chance of shine. Garnet's reaction was very hilarious. I really don't know how to explain it very well, but Jamie's love issue, Garnet's response and how Steven and Connie tried to fix it was very funny.

That was a pretty solid episode. This is the first time since Jail Break that Garnet being a fusion was even mentioned and not only that but the Steven basically outright said they were a romantic couple. Quite fitting considering the recent conversation we've been having in the thread. This was also the first time Jasper and Lapis have been brought up, and it looks like the gems are actually trying to find them. And I wonder if that monster Garnet punched out of the ocean was related at all to the two? Probably not, but I can dream.

I really like Jamie's character, too. Possibly just a one-off character, but he was definitely an enjoyable part of the show while he lasted. Then again, we could possibly see him again. The talk about love that Garnet gave at the end of the episode was absolutely beautiful. And Jamie's hair is fucking bangin.

And we had some dialogue from Sadie's mom! That was a nice little extra bit in the episode.

It was a good episode and Garnet's talk was definitely the highlight, but next week's episode is what I'm really pumped up about. The episode it's called "reformed" ro it might be about a de-corrupted gem. The episodes just after it compose a two-parter, so they probably will have something important in them, so I'm excited about those too.

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@Love Letters

Fun. The episode is totally fun and funny. Garnet continues to be best mom. I'm glad the show brought up how weird it would be to have Garnet, a fusion, shipped with another character (looking at pearlxgarnet shippers). I've always found it baffling. Story-wise, there's talk about LL and Jasper, which is great. Expecting a breathtaking aesthetic underwater adventure soon~

Tentacles wrote:

It was a good episode and Garnet's talk was definitely the highlight, but next week's episode is what I'm really pumped up about. The episode it's called "reformed" ro it might be about a de-corrupted gem. The episodes just after it compose a two-parter, so they probably will have something important in them, so I'm excited about those too.

Or it could be about Pearl and her defectiveness, since she is left out of the episode synopsis.

Personally, I can't wait to see the one where Connie starts a fencing apprenticeship with Pearl. It'll be nice to see her grow closer to one of the Crystal Gems, and not just Lion. Plus, since it's Pearl, who is also a nerd, she'd definitely make for an interesting mentor for Connie.

I was thinking about Too Many Birthdays, and it looked like Steven was dying when he was yhinking of himself as an old man. But here's a question, if he keeps thinking of himself as a younger man, would he never die?

@Locks

Yes

@Woskis

Possibly. If Steven can control his age then without a doubt he can be as old as what he deems to be. But here's how I think things will go down: He will get old. Well, not old, per se, but he will mature. He will grow up emotionally from the naive sweet young boy to a responsible crystal gem. We can see that happening in the show already. And little by little, he's growing up, like how normal people grow.


It just came to my attention that Mayor Dewey undoubtedly has a crush on Pearl. Isn't he a dad though? I wonder if we'll get to see Buck Dewey react to that.

So as much as I liked the episode Love Letters and found the ending moral to be a very sound one (that love takes time), part of me also finds it slightly contradictory to "Story For Steven." Greg pretty much fell in love with Rose at first sight and acted upon his instinct to abandon his music career in order to stay with her in Beach City, and this worked out well for him since Rose liked him back, and they eventually had their relationship taken to the point that they had a child together.

Maybe it's only because we don't know how long Ruby and Sapphire were together before becoming a semi-permanent fusion in the form of Garnet, but I dunno it's just one minor irk in an otherwise good episode. (and I admit I mainly drew attention to this because of TV Trope's recap page for the episode, saying "Broken Aesop: Love at First Sight doesn't exist and love takes time and work… unless you're Rose and Greg.")

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@Onion Syrup, if Steven can escape death by thinking of himself as an adult rather than a retired old man, I could imagine Steven standing by Connie as she dies, with her thanking him for all the times they've had, and then when she dies Steven changes to his adult form. That'll be a heartbreaker of an episode.

Zaccharine wrote:

@Onion Syrup, if Steven can escape death by thinking of himself as an adult rather than a retired old man, I could imagine Steven standing by Connie as she dies, with her thanking him for all the times they've had, and then when she dies Steven changes to his adult form. That'll be a heartbreaker of an episode.

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I know there's also a reaction image for "youcantputthatontv.jpeg", I can't seem to find it though.

As much as you can't put that on TV, there's nothing wrong with implication (reminds me of one seen in Avatar where one of the opponent's head exploded without showing the explosion. Brutal for a kid show.) Are we ever going to see Steven as an adult though? Sounds like a sequel series that would aptly be called Steven Universe Z

Zaccharine wrote:

I do wonder what is inside the chest in Lion's mane.

I wonder about that… and the bizmut… and what the hell is Lion in the first place; some kind of experiment ofr construct? Lion doesn't seem to be a gem, but what is him then? well, I suppose these questions will all be eventually be resolved (unless the show gets cancelled prematurely, but given that it's picking up nicely, I hope that's not a concern.)

Tentacles wrote:

I searched "Steven Universe shirtless" and, suprise! porn everywhere. I just wanted to know if Steven had nipples.
I didn't ask for this.

It probably would have been easier to just watch "Frybo" again.

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