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That might be the most intellectual "no homo" joke I've ever seen.

Bravo.

Remember the No Fun Allowed Rawboat? Well, you get the point.

I honestly don't quite understand why it is such a challenge for moderators to just delete images that don't meet their approval criteria as they are posted, rather then doing these massive "gallery sweeps" at random intervals.

All that needs to be done is to do is implement a basic image approval system just like most image sites already do, that mods have to check before images are"officially" posted. I don't see what's so hard about that. It's a pretty basic content control system.

I mean, in the case of the Ruined Childhood gallery, there were only like 20 or so images (at most) posted a day. That's not too hard of a job to manage. Unless somehow I'm already missing the fact that most were already deleted behind the scenes.

Please forgive my bluntness, but just seems like an extremely lazy approach to just close down entire galleries because people are posting wrong. The images galleries are one of the best, most traffic-creating aspects of this site, and closing the most popular ones is just silly.

Here are a few things that would easily rectify the problem:

1.) You shouldn't be so scared of doing mass bans. If you aren't not willing to ban people for not obeying the rules, then nobody is going to obey the rules. Period.

While you might not think that bans work due to ban evasion, as someone who has modded for years, yes it certainly does. Most people do not want to lose their main accounts. So even if it manages to scare straight 20% of the KYM population into posting right, then it is well-worth it. Again, if there are no punishments for posting wrong, then no one will post right.

2.) Make the posting rules more compact, easier to read, and more readily available. Honestly, while the rules might me clear to understand, the average user is simply not going to read a 1000+ word page of rules. They just aren't. Not only that, they are definitely not going to click the rules section to read them. This is basic human behavior.

Rules need to be on display on EVERY GALLERY, and when images are posted just before the 'SUBMIT' button just like in the forums. They need to be short, sweet, and extremely easy to understand.

3.) Have mods approve images before they are posted. As I said before, I'm honestly surprised this doesn't exist already. This would solve most of the problem right away. How many images are posted to this site daily? 1000?, 2000? Of course I'm completely ignorant on the number of posts per day, but if they number is less than 5000, then that would be a piece for team of gallery moderators to grind through. Granted, assuming you have more than 2 or 3 moderators.

I honestly don’t quite understand why it is such a challenge for moderators to just delete images that don’t meet their approval criteria as they are posted, rather then doing these massive “gallery sweeps” at random intervals.

Because we don't (and we can't) non-stop moderate KYM. It is not a problem to deal with a few and certain offenders. But we lose control when the whole userbase start to abuse the galleries.

All that needs to be done is to do is implement a basic image approval system just like most image sites already do..

Hell no. Nearly 400 images are uploaded to KYM every single day. Why do we have to approve every single one of them? Entries states what should be uploaded to the galleries, rules states… Its way way way easier and faster to take down individual violations more than approve every single thing.
>Image hosting sites
>Using approve system
Hahaha.. Please show me one. I haven't seen one yet. As far as i know; imgur, imageshack,exc pretty much using our kind of moderation system. Maybe more active.

I mean, in the case of the Ruined Childhood gallery, there were only like 20 or so images (at most) posted a day. That’s not too hard of a job to manage.

>That’s not too hard of a job to manage.
>not too hard of a job
>job
Mod duities are not job. They are roles. We like to keep this site in order and help admins because we enjoy and love this site. But don't think that mod team have to keep the maintenance. Hell, we don't even have to do anything. Admins cannot force us to do because they can't. We are not staff.
Of course all mod actions should stick to the site guidelines. But we don't have to watchkeep the site 7/24.

The images galleries are one of the best, most traffic-creating aspects of this site, and closing the most popular ones is just silly.

Sadly. But like i said. Mod team is not going to moderate the certain galleries all the times to just keep the traffic.

1. You shouldn’t be so scared of doing mass bans. exc exc

>implying we failed to maintain galleries and had to lock those down because we are too scared to do mass bans.
>implying mass bans would change anything, prevent other newcomers to shitpost
>ban them all johnny, ban them all

2. Make the rules more compact, easier to read, and more readily available.

When users try to submit new entries, they are directed to entry submission guidelines. Does that prevent some BNM's to post stupid bullshit at all? No it doesn't. You are incredibly right about that human behaivor. But not like that solution will prevent it anyway. Because they will not read them whatever you do.

3.) Have mods approve images…

NO! No no and no.

…How many images are posted to this site daily? 1000?, 2000?

Do you really think it is really easy to moderate all those shittons of images? Give me a break. I bet you can't even moderate at least 50 per day.
Really dude. Do you think somebody would even bother with it? Everyday? I don't think so.

So, if we lock image galleries because people make uploads for upvotes, why don't we just get rid of the upvote system? It's not like upvotes really do anything anyway.

Umm, no. I mean the upvote system is more important than it looks like. With this we can show faggots, we don't like their shits, and of course, the smell of rustled jimmies over the butthurts of buried rage comments, something I like to smell in the morning. But to be reasonable, the vote system while not attached to the karma system which is more "useful", it's still telling you, how good or bad are you, obviously if you are full of buried comments, no one will like you, and they will consider you as a troll. Also the vote systems, not just only on KYM but on ther sites too, like Reddit, are having an important role in the community, for example if your comment gained lot of upvotes, that will gives you a positive feedback, colloquially known as the happiness. And if you are happy, others will be happy too and we all start to sing Pharrell Williams' Happy, okay that was maybe a bit strong. But basically destroying something which could cause drama, action, romance, happiness, sadness, and so on, is mere stupid thing. And my last sentence, to answer the question why should we not rid of the voting system is: Give us more reason why should we do that?

As someone who HAS moderated images like that before. Yes, it is indeed extremely easy. All there needs to be is a basic image viewer that the mods have access to. From there, all they have to do is look at the images as they are posted, and approve them. The images are able to be seen by people, but are only temporary if not approved. If a mod knows the rules, it wouldn't take longer than 5 seconds an image.

I used to have to sift through hundreds of images a day and it never too longer than an hour. So yea, I do know what I'm talking about.

Honestly, I'm a little surprised at how snippy and quick-to-react mods are. Every time I see a mod post, they are either extremely rude, sarcastic, and unable to take any sort of criticism.

If this is how all of them behave, no wonder you guys are having problems. You are so unwilling to compromise on anything and always are quick to blame the users for all your problems. Well, guess what? These problems stem for moderator inaction and inability to control the situation. Not the users. If mods want to hand users to the keys as say, "hey post what you want and follow the rules, we trust you!", then it is their fault if people abuse the system.

Regardless of how you want to do things, simply closing image boards does absolutely nothing. All I'm doing is tossing around ideas. If you want to completely shrug me off like I'm an idiot, then hey, do what you want.

Well, if you think being an image moderator is easy then help us.

Start by telling us what images should be moved to others entries, and also, report NC content. You can post them in the image cleaning thread.

Since you said you can moderate hundreds of images a day this will be easy for you.

No, seriously. If you can help then do it.

I appreciable the civility, even though it is probably sarcastic. However, as I'm sure you are already aware by my meager post count, I am not very active, nor am I too dedicated to this one site.

I simply threw may hat into the ring as two of the more interesting image galleries closed, and many more will probably follow. If that happens, I'll probably just leave the site, no biggie. Before things get too crazy, I figured I'd give a few suggestions and they were all shot down. So that's that. Not like I'm going to push any harder. It's not like this site was made for me or anything.

It may sound hypocritical, but I have no intention of being a wannabe-moderator. I just wanted to give my two cents on the situation.

But hey, I should probably stop doing that as it usually just leads to more arguments. Everything I say makes me sound like a dick even when I'm not trying to be.

I appreciable the civility, even though it is probably sarcastic.

No, I was not. I was being serious about that.

It may sound hypocritical, but I have no intention of being a wannabe-moderator.

I never said you will be a moderator. I said you should help to prevent more problems, but you already said you won't do it.

Whatever, is more easy to give an opìnion than actually prove your point with actions.

As someone who HAS moderated images like that before. Yes, it is indeed extremely easy.

Like i said before(not sure if you have read it).. Mod duities are not job. If it was a job and we were earning a few bucks by doing it, it wouldn't be too hard to force ourselves to moderate countless of images just like you said.

But you are expecting too much from us. We are just here to help KYM, no profit intended. I am saying again: We don't even have to do anything at all. So why do i have to force myself, can you tell me please? I don't know you; but my time is limited and precious. Everyone's is. Maybe i got other jobs to do.. Maybe i do have finals.. Why do you think i should force myself to waste my free time even more? I am suppossed to enjoy helping. Thats why admins give me mod powers.

I don't know how much you can handle images or how many free times you got on your hands. But your ideas would just bring us and the site more effort/duty that become less endurable and cost even more to deal with.

All I’m doing is tossing around ideas

Thats pretty easy to do. But that doesn't mean they are all practicable.

But hey, I should probably stop doing that as it usually just leads to more arguments. Everything I say makes me sound like a dick even when I’m not trying to be.

Its still okay to toss few cents but try to understand our (and other sites) limitations next time.

I simply threw may hat into the ring as two of the more interesting image galleries closed, and many more will probably follow. If that happens, I’ll probably just leave the site, no biggie. Before things get too crazy, I figured I’d give a few suggestions and they were all shot down. So that’s that. Not like I’m going to push any harder. It’s not like this site was made for me or anything.

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It may sound hypocritical, but I have no intention of being a wannabe-moderator.

This is a very strange attitude I feel, I've seen it before on a lot of other sites, where the mods will actively get angry at the userbase for doing their job for them. Now maybe it's just because we're the bigger site in that we have way more stuff to moderate, we actively encourage users to take to their own initiative and report content and users that break the rules, we can't be everywhere at once, and we need the help. Helping us stop stuff like this is extremely helpful to us, that's even why we brought in the scrapbooker rank, allowing users automated powers to help us. So I wouldn't say that doing all the stuff Loli said is being a 'wannabe mod', it's just being helpful.

Unless of course your point was in fact that you can't be bothered, in which I say that you should probably start actually trying to help before telling us we're doing everything wrong.

just my two cent here, I was thinking why not add a "report image" feature? so instead of having the mods do all the job the users can contribute reporting inapropiate images in a more automated way.

Also this also been brought in other thread but it will probably good to force uploaders to add tags (I think at least 3).

Random21 wrote

you should probably start actually trying to help before telling us we’re doing everything wrong.

This is important. If you feel strong enough to tell us that mods are doing a bad job, you should be willing to put at least some effort into helping us do a better job. Just whining about how "mods ruin everything" without offering help is not useful.

This seems to be a reoccurring theme though. I posted a link to this thread and the image cleaning thread in the comments of some of the problem galleries when they were complaining. While I may have been a bit hyperbolic, I was really hoping it would encourage some more users to take initiative to stop gallery abuse before the problem needed a lock. So far, almost no one has posted in the image cleaning thread/PM'd me related to that, but all the problem galleries are still being abused. At least if we have to lock any of those galleries, we can clearly point to where it was said: "you did nothing when we clearly pointed out what could be done to prevent future locks"

Rikkhan wrote

why not add a “report image” feature? so instead of having the mods do all the job the users can contribute reporting inappropriate images in a more automated way.

Ideally, if we could trust users to use it properly, this would be good. However, It's going to be abused. People will report stuff for stupid reasons, just like people abuse the request editorship buttons. It will inevitably get to the point that the mods just ignore it, because dumb/illegitimate reports will outnumber legitimate ones. We still have the Image Cleaning Thread which is very accessible and is easier to deal with people who report images for illegitimate reasons. I can confirm that I will go through 100% of the images posted there. That does not mean it will be removed (that areas still faces abuse from time to time, but It's better than a report function IMO.

I seem that that's the bottleneck, how much can be trusted to users to help improve the site, if they're not trustwhorty then the responsability lies in the mods, image cleaning is heavy task in wich I believe there is not enough mods for this, increasing mods population could be an option but again you need trustwhorty users.

The thing about the Image Cleaning Thread is that is not really visible, If I have never visited the forums I would never realized there is thread about that. Peharps that could be an option, adding a visible link to that thread, maybe a banner on the top in image galleries asking the users to report innapropiate images.

Something relevant (we have a damn board to suggest stuff.take them here) : i want to notice two galleries which are pretty out of control:

• 9gag Both comment section and the image section is a total mess. They are just all about "HURR DURR FUC 9FAG MEEM ELITISIM LELELE". Seriously these contributions are not helping at all. If this goes on, i'll be forced to temporary-lock the gallery.

• Quinnspiracy Pretty much same as 9gag. But the gallery is even more awful. Comments, claims, tweets ,exc are just fine But people started to upload fake tweets (i wish people were sourcing them but..) and le epik internet warzz XD lately. The image gallery is in great danger to get abused(i think it is pretty much already).

Eh, for 9gag, I would say that's part of the joke. It's like if the Tumblr gallery wasn't flooded with SJWs. If it really bothers people, I would suggest having a separate meme article about the "9gag is for babies" phenomenon, if having that stuff attached to the site gallery is so disruptive.

For Quinn, I suggest locking it AFTER the controversy has died down entirely. This is one of the only places that actually allows discussion of it, and locking the main means of communication would piss a lot of people off. Even the posts of fake tweets serve a point; most of the fake tweets are described as such in the comment section, and seeing as how most are shown as absolute proof for one side or the other, being able to learn of them here is an asset.

I'd be up for a cleaning of both galleries, and Quinnspiracy especially. That place is just a mess.

I agree there should be a clean in Quinnspiracy (I haven't visited 9gag so i don't know about that) but there would probably be a bit of backlash with the commenters fixated on a fictional internet war.

But the fake evidence like the tweets definitely has to go.

But why do mods disable comments? That's getting over the board!

Perhaps the biggest problem is that the gallery locks have become exponential.

I understand closing r34 for being.basicly porn (HOW WOULD ANYONE HAVE THOUGHT THAT WOULD HAPPEN) or cringeworthy. But shuting down entire galleries for have irrlivent images is for the lack of a better term stupid. I understand not want galleries with irrilient images but most of the time. Its cause its not the most relivent galleriy. A rule of thumb for people to see your image is to put in the popular galleries and most of them are broad terms that can have alot of diffent things in them. Why cant someone post a repainted transformer.to be some thing from.another seris to alternete universe. Sure it more revelent to transformers but it still can be interpreted as an alternite universe versoin of a charecter as a transformer.
Also just shuting down the entire galleriy is pretty exsesive. Why not just take a knife to all the irrelevent ones or closes it temporly to clean it up and send emails stating all the rules cause alot probably just know the rules.
In summary i think the relivey rule should use some work. Also now people are just post galleries they dont like so dont shut down images completly because.of some irrelivent images and if somepost porn delete it and ban them from post images in that galliere

tsoili34 wrote

But shuting down entire galleries for have irrlivent images is for the lack of a better term stupid. I understand not want galleries with irrilient images them

As stated before, it's not like it was just one or two irrelevant things. Irrelevant images for the childhood galleries had become a chronic problem to the point it was more common place to see stuff that was not relevant than stuff that was. AU faced slightly different issues, as it's definition was so over-encompassingly broad, but if an image can go into a much more relevant entry, it is considered irrelevant to a broad entry.

tsoili34 wrote

-but most of the time. Its cause its not the most relivent galleriy. A rule of thumb for people to see your image is to put in the popular galleries and most of them are broad terms that can have alot of diffent things in

This is the inherit problem, as said before, as to why some felt it needed be locked . As I keep saying: catchall galleries often times had more images about a thing than the galleries dedicated to that thing. The purpose of the site is for documentation of internet phenomena. By ignoring galleries for exact/specific things and just uploading to popular trending galleries, you may get more views, but you hurt the purpose of the site. People frequently uploaded stuff that in no way could be considered relevant to trending galleries and tried to justify it by saying they wanted people to see it. It is much better to have images in the most specific entry possible. When it can be considered equally relevant in more than one gallery (EX: crossover between two subcultures that we already have pages on) then it is fine to go into multiple specific galleries.

tsoili34 wrote

Why cant someone post a repainted transformer.to be some thing from.another seris to alternete universe. Sure it more revelent to transformers but it still can be interpreted as an alternite universe versoin of a charecter as a transformer.

Again, because it just encourages people to ignore the full entries for stuff we already have where it would be much better. As explained in my post here if you really want to browse Alternate Universe images, it is extremely easy to just search for images tagged as Alternate Universe which allows you to see images from any and all galleries tagged such.

tsoili34 wrote

Why not just take a knife to all the irrelevent ones or closes it temporly to clean it up and send emails stating all the rules cause alot probably just know the rules.

With the exception of temporary losing (save Cringeworthy and the joke Tumblr closing), we have already done all this. We are still doing this for the open problem galleries that are listed here. I've removed at least a hundred images from the Childhood Galleries before the lock, and made many attempts to make sure uploaders knew why future images that failed the guidelines were removed. Again, the issue of users uploading irrelevant stuff was chronic. Everyone saw other people abusing the gallery, so they thought it was okay to do the same.

tsoili34 wrote

In summary i think the relivey rule should use some work.

If you can explain how the current relevancy rule needs to me modified to help the site in it's goal of documentation of internet phenomena, then we'll gladly consider it. If this is just "the rule ruins people's fun" then the relevancy rule IMO is fine as is. As stated before, if people actually tag their images, it is extremely easy to find examples of a very broad meme and allows for images to be in relevant entries as well.

tsoili34 wrote

if somepost porn delete it and ban them from post images in that galliere

We already have separate rules for NSFW/NC Content. Each case is dealt with individually, but users who post NC stuff are generally warned/suspended. If they keep posting NC stuff, they are eventually banned.

Most of this has already been said several times in this thread already.

I guess your right. I just hate to see all these galleries being closed. As person who has never been a mod i.wasnt sure how you did things. For the irrelivents rule i just want it to be a little more lenient like say if something fits in a very unvisited galliery btter then a popular one but fits in the popular one i think it sould be ok for people to post it in the more popular galliery if it fits. Also is there a changes of reopening some galleries oneday.

I think the best way to keep things collected in their respective sub-categories AND prevent apathy from sucking up prospective images is to restructure how galleries work.

How about if, instead of a picture being uploaded to a specific gallery, it has the ability to be put in multiple galleries from a single image link? That way, things that fall into two or more categories (such as crossovers, alt universe, video game logic, etc…) can be found linked in all related categories at once. Plus, moderation could easily delete pictures that go against the TOS from all galleries quickly, instead of having to scrub each individual link.

Might as well lock the entire site.
- Shitposters flock to the MLP gallery like a swarm of moths to a burning light. And some "bronies" try to smuggle pony-related stuff into other places just to annoy people.
- People treat the Pokémon gallery like some sort of porn stash.
- The Super Smash Bros. gallery is overrun with spam and angry fanboys.
- The Tumblr gallery has a bunch of irrelevant content that should be moved to other galleries.
- Internet Paraphilia. Obvious reasons.
- The Reaction Images and Alternate Universe galleries are constantly getting abused.
- Expand Dong has too many meta jokes.

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Can you specify? I mean if you are talking about the contributors then that is no excuse to upload irrelevant content or to ruin the gallery. The reason why it's free is because it would be stupid to pay people for uploading other peoples content and that would severely limit the content we have.

I don't see your point.

I think that The Cake Is A Spy is referring to how the mods moderate content and don't get paid for their services/work on the site.

Never once have I supported locking any image gallery except Cringeworthy and I'll tell you why.

Because image galleries are made for the general gist of images relating to said meme/subculture/site/person etc. For example, the media mods have considered locking the Pokemon gallery due to the echhi influx. Usually I would agree, because once we had an entire page worth of echhi on the gallery. However, the tweest: It was all pokemon related.

So if they're uploading porn of something that's almost exactly related to the entry itself, what's the problem? The purpose of an image gallery is to do this kind of thing. Now I would say that mixing it in to the general gallery is a bit iffy, but there is the tag. Keeping that in mind, we wouldn't have banned more than a few users.

TL;DR: I no want locky locky.

FNAf could probably use a quick cleaning. Not too big a deal, but it's got way too many "Bwaa! scree!" images.

In my opinion, I think that the Reaction Faces or Alternate Universe galleries are becoming more problematic and have a high chance of being locked, along with Cringeworthy, Shadbase, Childhood Ruined, Childhood Enhanced, and every other entry which has the gallery being locked.

I don't think screwing with Quinnspiracy is a good idea at all. Cleaning it is good, but locking anything over there can lead to little good. You know the backlash mods get for closing galleries that people just like to have fun on? Imagine that reaction multiplied 10-fold if you screw with Quinnspiracy. It's worth the extra work to watch for fake Tweets. I don't think that really would do any good worth the bad. Also, don't forget that KYM is pretty much the central hub for spreading information on this topic along with ED. I haven't seen fake Tweets really "ruin" the gallery or anything. Don't overreact.

Also, I do kind of agree that this is getting exponential. Eventually the entire site's going to be shut down basically. I think some locks are warranted, but you guys are just threatening to lock everything popular. Know why the popular galleries get misused? Because they're popular! If something has a large audience it becomes abused more than something with a small audience. It's basic common sense. This isn't a perfect world where everything is just the way you want it. I support a few locks, I'm not totally pissed about them, but you don't need to go martial law on the site. Don't let all the power get to your head. Just because you can lock a gallery doesn't mean you should.

AU is already locked, and Shadbase was unlocked because RandomMan felt like being "le mastur trole ecksdee". Which, not to be disrespectful of the man himself, is a pretty asinine move when most of the users on the site who stated their opinions there were in favor of keeping the damn thing locked or deleting the page (the latter of which is an extreme action, even though I don't think a page on that guy should have been made in the first place due to all the fucked up shit he's posted on his site – at least nobody's paying attention to it anymore).

As for Reaction Faces, it's now called Reaction Images and it's been cleaned up significantly. I think that the push that Deltamelon made with tagging and cleaning it up just before he was promoted to mod has basically stopped it from getting frozen, even though there's work to be done there. I just wish that there had been some sort of loud-and-clear warning to uploaders before such actions were taken with the other pages. I think even a temporary lock would have been better than to jump into "shut down everything" mode.

Oh, really?

Huh.

I should check the galleries more often.

Thank you for tellin' me.

Just to clear up a few misconceptions:
-Shadbase's gallery was locked due to being porn bait, which was a decision I made. RM unlocked the comments because the shitstorm had already gone by, so it should have been safe to reopen. He probably shouldn't have made the comment seeing as it only bumped the entry again.
-Reaction Faces was changed to Reaction Images due to an on the fly decision I made one day. I just realized that the gallery could be fixed by tweaking the entry a little. Unlike what many others have suggested, this is not something that could have been replicated with the other galleries (also as a little pet peeve of my,I'm still kinda miffed that someone changed the thumbnail back. Whenever I do work on an old entry, I always like to change the thumbnail. It's a habit of mine)
-The reason we didn't lock any more galleries because of site traffic. We were all gung-ho about locking more galleries, until I brought up the point that locking any more would decrease site traffic significantly.
-The reason we haven't touched Quinnspiracy is a mix of 1) Despite the very obvious 'anti-quinn and anyone connected to her' mentality, no real rules are being broken and 2) We're just too scared that things will blow up. Censorship is a very touchy subject surrounding Quinnspiracy, so what would it look like if we stopped allowing comments and images? People would accuse us of being corrupt, and wouldn't believe us if we said otherwise.
-SHADBASE WILL NEVER BE DELETED. Take one look at the comment section, do you think that kind of reaction would happen if Shadbase really wasn't notable? Not all entries are positive ones.

Personally, I think web comic galleries should be locked, or at least have galleries for fan-art/ commissions only. I don't like the idea that we should allow someone's entire body of work to be copied in a way that prevents them from getting ad revenue and Google bumps.

Many other problems can be fixed with a bit of 'idiot proofing'. For example, there could be a requirement that there's at least one tag on a picture. Sure, some people could just smash their hands on the keyboard, but it might encourage tagging for people who wouldn't understand how important it is otherwise. I still stand with my idea of multi-gallery posts from my last post.

Locking topics should only be used if the idea behind it does not need examples, not because people are misusing it.

Random 21, I think that the Image Gallery for that page is actually still open. Shouldn't that part of the page be closed again if it's pornbait as you had mentioned? Indeed, a lot of near-pornographic images were uploaded there following the unlocking of the article – the page's Image Gallery doubled in size.

To clarify, I never said it should be deleted (and I think deleting it would be stupid, as much as I dislike the page and its subject material), just that the site didn't need to get any more exposure. Now that the cat's out of the bag, there's no real reason to shove it back in.

I think that the Image Gallery for that page is actually still open.

Case closed.

we should close the whole site and become a site for porn and fan art.

Guys were giving suggestions for moderating the image boards that would require a full-time dedication to accomplish- and becoming a little fond of the word "job" like it was a paid position.
Basically, if the image boards were perfect and ideal, the tradeoff would be extremely overworked moderators.

We have quite a few retired moderators who still have their positions. If they were demodded and new mods were added to deal with the current issues we'd have about the same number of mods but more work being done.

Apparently the MLP video gallery has been locked, I can't seem to figure out why and everyone here was saying that the MLP gallery specifically WOULDN'T be locked!

So, can we get a proper reason b4 we end up in a flamewar?

I just went there and it's not locked. I even looked at the "permissions" section to double check that "allow video uploads" was turned on, and it was.

Too late Platus, the problem was already solved by Crimson Locks.

Whats the mods final goal exactly? I mean it started with getting people to follow the rules, on the most part they accomplish that yet this is still going on? and now the goal posts are being moved to possibly include circlejerks and echi for some reason.

We must be careful with progresively moving goal posts, it can get to a point that the goal posts are way to high and idealistic.

I wouldn't say I "solved" it. I went to investigate the lock and it was already unlocked again. Don was actually the one that unlocked the gallery

I visited this thread before I checked the Pony General and saw Crimson's post. Sue me.

MScratch was having a bit too much fun I think

Random 21+1 Said:

MScratch was having a bit too much fun I think

^If that's really the case, that's mod abuse/power abuse and he really needs to lose his mod privileges. Really, that sort of thing is the best demonstration that someone really shouldn't have power, if they're going to abuse it for a cheap laugh, consequences be damned.