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File: main-qimg-b6acd0bb666f0aa(..).jpg (151 KB, 602x499) Nothing is inherently evil if it grew up into its present state from infancy. Orc babies don't pop out into the world with an in-born desire for r--- and murder: it's all a matter of upbringing and religion and indoctrination, all of which is almost universally evil for orcs. If you adopt an orc baby and raise him by proper values, there's every chance that he'll turn out to be a decent person. But then they are no longer monsters. They're just green humans, a tribe of hardy and violent barbarians or what have you. There will be orcs living in the cities, orc migrants, perhaps humans living among orcs, and all the ensuing realistic - and therefore boring - issues. You might as well just make them human at that point. Therefore, the solution is this: orcs did not grow from infancy. Orcs are created, perhaps by dipping a human in a wizard's evil black cauldron. This will also make them the dark servants of one particular sorcerer, mostly hanging out in one corner of the world rather than swarming all over every place like bugs. They are very evil indeed: you'll need magic and miracles to genuinely redeem one, and should that happen, it will just turn back to human. O Anonymous 12/24/18(Mon)21:21:53 No.63687748 >>63694704 File: doctor says it like it is.jpg (39 KB, 442x536) >>63687597 If you can use humans for an encounter, use humans. It'll downplay fantastic elements and keep them being genuinely fantastic, rather than just another check on the fantasy board, AND there's better odds of player characters actually thinking about what they're doing when the enemy is of their own race. Šave orcs for the really bad s---. Save orcs for when there's something scary and otherworldly going on. And never show orc babies, because learning that they grow up the same way humans do instantly takes some of that mystique away: it's better to just imagine that they pop fully grown from the dark or some s---. O Anonymous 12/25/18(Tue)07:42:01 No.63692265 > >>63692295 >>63687508 >Orcs are created, perhaps by dipping a human in a wizard's evil black cauldron The artificial orc is the best orc. Made in vats with giant visceral, human semen, and pig fat, stewing in demonic ichor. A foul thing made for war.

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Break the shackles of "traditional D&D" and run Orcs the way YOU want to! No. I want to run them as mostly Evil monsters compelled by Gruumsh.

Orcs are a metaphor for black people so it's racist to fight them Orcs are a metaphor for toxic masculinity so we SHOULD fight them Orcs are f------ imgflip.com

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Amr Ammourazz @ammourazz · Apr 26 The language used here is that language. Orcs, sentient beings, can be "domesticated." They have an underlying, inherent rage and blood lust that's just part of their biology. This is harmful because of the real world parallels to a ton of racist tropes. ROLEPLAYING AN ORC Most orcs have been indoctrinated into a life of destruc- tion and slaughter. But unlike creatures who by their very nature are evil, such as gnolls, it's possible that an ore, if raised outside its culture, could develop a limited capacity for empathy, love, and compassion. No matter how domesticated an orc might seem, its blood lust flows just beneath the surface. With its instinctive love of battle and its desire to prove its strength, an orc trying to live within the confines of civi- lization is faced with a difficult task. 54 23 81 1.2K Amr Ammourazz @ammourazz · Apr 26 Step 4: An illustration of the limitations of this trope Ajey's thread expertly breaks down both mechanically and narratively how this lessens your gameplay experience AND why it perpetuates harmful racial stereotypes. A simple light read if you can't dive into full articles. Darth Play-By-Post (Ajey - He/Him) @AjeyPandey · Apr 26 Hi folks. Orc discourse is happening. Let's talk orcs. Let's talk about a specific orc character pitch: Y'Gria Khaskia, Level 3 Orc Wizard (Divination)! ST: 8 DX: 10 CN: 12 IN: 16 WS: 14 CH: 14 Show this thread 17 65 1.1K

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Hey so if you’re stumbling into the D&D orc discourse and are one of the handful of people here with an open-mind and a genuine desire to understand what’s going on, welcome! This thread is gonna be for you; a master list of resources that explain the pro

Amr Ammourazz @ammourazz · Apr 26 Hey so if you're stumbling into the D&D orc discourse and are one of the handful of people here with an open-mind and a genuine desire to understand what's going on, welcome! This thread is gonna be for you; a master list of resources that explain the problem if you're willing. 149 t7 2.7K 7.2K Amr Ammourazz @ammourazz · Apr 26 Step 1: The historical context. This article explains a lot of the historical roots and issues with Orks. Including the letters in which Tolkien describes them as "least lovely mongol types" amongst other context and issues. Orcs, Britons, and the Martial Race Myth, Part I: A . This is the first installment of a two-article series Beat back the about the racist origins, nature, and ramifications .. with S jamesmendezhodes.com LIBERTY t7 74 1.1K Amr Ammourazz @ammourazz · Apr 26 Step 2: The modern continuation This article bridges the historical basis with the modern issues and contexts and helps explain why it continues to be a problem and grew past its initial route. Orcs, Britons, and the Martial Race Myth, Part II: T. This is the complement to my previous article, "Orcs, Britons, and the Martial Race Myth, Part I: . P jamesmendezhodes.com 27 58 987 Amr Ammourazz @ammourazz · Apr 26 Step 3: Language You have to understand that language that minimises the humanity of another is one of the most common tools of bigots who seek to justify their actions by treating the oppressed group as "less than." This is a fact of our racist/ sexist/ homophobic world. 17 51 1K <]

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Amr Ammourazz @ammourazz · Apr 26 Replying to @ammourazz This second article recognizes its enough of a racial issue to have hired a PoC consultant to help on it. Overall I would recommend Gabe's one the most because you should prioritize PoC voices on topics like these (and its just real freakin good). worldbuilderblog.me/2020/04/18/cus.. 27 47 894 Amr Ammourazz @ammourazz · Apr 26 I link these two other articles primarily as proof that this is an issue that extends far enough to make it onto D&D beyond and to be addressed by major white creators and for one of them to hire a PoC cultural consultant to assist. t7 18 O 702 3 Amr Ammourazz @ammourazz · Apr 26 Anyways it's Ramdan so if you're coming here looking for a fight or someone to piss off that's not gonna happen. In the spirit of this month I've extended an olive branch and if you genuinely want to learn more l'm glad to teach, but I won't engage in bad faith. t2 17 987 Amr Ammourazz @ammourazz · Apr 26 P.S. remember this all started because someone posted the very lukewarm "this language is racist" tweet and everyone dog-piling them said "you're racist for saying that about black people," which they didn't. If you're gonna troll at least keep reality straight. O 14 t7 35 959 Amr Ammourazz @ammourazz · Apr 26 P.P.S. @DeeEmSteve linked another wonderful resource in my comments breaking down the issue of bioessentialism in fantasy races more generically, which is a great thread by Kienna. Here it is for folks: Kienna Sunrise @Kiennas · Aug 14, 2019 Because l'm in a "breakdown some stuff" kind of mood, let's have a quick chat about bioessentialism and how it's perpetuated by the current structure of race in D&D, and therefore why we should move away from attributing so much stuff to race (as seen in Joey's article) Show this thread 13 22 20 493

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Amr Ammourazz @ammourazz · Apr 26 Step 5: Addressing the problem (and proof it isn't made up) This problem is common enough that here are 3 resources to adress it. The first by Gabe is a beautifully thought out system in a well put together PDF you can get for FREE. A literal steal. Gabe e @GabeJamesGames · Apr 2 EXCITED to share the first four classes for my CMM. A #dnd system to use narrative w/ class to determine ability increases rather than racial modifiers. The PDF IS FREE & currently has the Barbarian, Bard, Monk, & Warlock Ft @Tallinier 's AMAZING ART gabejamesgames.itch.io/cmm Show this thread BanBARIAN BARD ti 91 1.2K Amr Ammourazz @ammourazz · Apr 26 But if you've made it this far and you're still thinking this is a bunch of Poc making a fuss over nothing, here are well established white people in the dnd space writing articles about it that actively cite this issue.5 BEYOND Reimagining Racial Ability Scores How do you improve D&D's races? Here's one way for you to try at home: cut out the restrictive ability score modifiers and put them . P dndbeyond.com 27 74 O 1.1K 15 Amr Ammourazz @ammourazz · Apr 26 This second article recognizes its enough of a racial issue to have hired a PoC consultant to help on it. Overall I would recommend Gabe's one the most because you should prioritize Poc voices on topics like these (and its just real freakin good). worldbuilderblog.me/2020/04/18/cus. ti 47 894

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It was at that moment Harmony knew she had taken a wrong turn somewhere.

ORC Rights 4 LYFE Elves did A orcs are HORDE people too 16 LOVE To Be Continued NV @GPrime 85

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We really do need to bring back gatekeeping.

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dante @videodante the problem with D&D Orc racial classification is not that orcs were necessarily designed to resemble black and/or poc cultures, but that the ideology of "this group of sentient beings is unable to overcome the inherent animal nature of their bloodline" is the same as irl racism 2:24 PM · Apr 26, 2020 · Twitter for Android

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Quinn W-W (Blasted by Time Ghos... Follow @MonkipiQuinn Cw blatant racism I'm in genuine awe that this s--- came out for THIS edition of D&D h-------- ROLEPLAYING AN ORC Most orcs have been indoctrinated into a life of destruc- tion and slaughter. But unlike creatures who by their very nature are evil, such as gnolls, it's possible that an orc, if raised outside its culture, could develop a limited capacity for empathy, love, and compassion. No matter how domesticated an orc might seem, its blood lust flows just beneath the surface. With its instinctive love of battle and its desire to prove its strength, an orc trying to live within the confines of civi- lization is faced with a difficult task. 4:55 PM - 25 Apr 2020 194 Retweets 1,217 Likes 1.4K t7 194 1.2K

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"Be silent. Keep your forked tongue behind your teeth."

Twitter users: JRR Tolkien wrote orcs to resemble black people because he was a racist Tolkien, who wrote a letter to the Nazis telling them their racism and bigotry made him ashamed of being a German: Be silent. Keep your forked tongue behind your teeth.

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File: main-qimg-b6acd0bb666f0aa(..).jpg (151 KB, 602x499) Nothing is inherently evil if it grew up into its present state from infancy. Orc babies don't pop out into the world with an in-born desire for r--- and murder: it's all a matter of upbringing and religion and indoctrination, all of which is almost universally evil for orcs. If you adopt an orc baby and raise him by proper values, there's every chance that he'll turn out to be a decent person. But then they are no longer monsters. They're just green humans, a tribe of hardy and violent barbarians or what have you. There will be orcs living in the cities, orc migrants, perhaps humans living among orcs, and all the ensuing realistic - and therefore boring - issues. You might as well just make them human at that point. Therefore, the solution is this: orcs did not grow from infancy. Orcs are created, perhaps by dipping a human in a wizard's evil black cauldron. This will also make them the dark servants of one particular sorcerer, mostly hanging out in one corner of the world rather than swarming all over every place like bugs. They are very evil indeed: you'll need magic and miracles to genuinely redeem one, and should that happen, it will just turn back to human. O Anonymous 12/24/18(Mon)21:21:53 No.63687748 >>63694704 File: doctor says it like it is.jpg (39 KB, 442x536) >>63687597 If you can use humans for an encounter, use humans. It'll downplay fantastic elements and keep them being genuinely fantastic, rather than just another check on the fantasy board, AND there's better odds of player characters actually thinking about what they're doing when the enemy is of their own race. Šave orcs for the really bad s---. Save orcs for when there's something scary and otherworldly going on. And never show orc babies, because learning that they grow up the same way humans do instantly takes some of that mystique away: it's better to just imagine that they pop fully grown from the dark or some s---. O Anonymous 12/25/18(Tue)07:42:01 No.63692265 > >>63692295 >>63687508 >Orcs are created, perhaps by dipping a human in a wizard's evil black cauldron The artificial orc is the best orc. Made in vats with giant visceral, human semen, and pig fat, stewing in demonic ichor. A foul thing made for war.

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Apr 29, 2020 at 03:13PM EDT

This is why I go to /tg/ for RPG plot ideas. There are people there who are truly passionate about the game and not just treating this as a platform for their channel, book, podcast, karma count. Just people obsessed with the most unimportant things to try and find a better solution.

Also the frilly armor threads. That's also why I go there.

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Link626

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Apr 29, 2020 at 07:40PM EDT

"Nothing is inherently evil. Baby Goblins don't pop out into the world with the desire to for rape and murder."

I beg to differ.

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