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File: Polish_king_John_II_Sobi(.).jpg (272 KB, 970x1200) O Anonymous 07/04/21(Sun)21:28:40 No.11487196 >>>11487197 >>11487248 It seems there are no English translations of King Jan Sobieski's correspondence related to the battle of Vienna except for an abridged version of his initial letter to the Pope written right after the battle, so l've decided to translate part of a letter to his wife where he describes his meeting with the Holy Roman Emperor Leopold following the battle. I think it's pretty interesting. Royal meetings really were a major pain. >We have met with the Emperor the day before yesterday, i.e. on the 15th. He had arrived to Vienna right away, within several hours of my leaving it. I expected not to meet him, since his arrival had been continuously promised even before the battle and put off day after day, hour after hour, so I sent the Vice-Chancellor [Jan Gniński] with my regards and best wishes, giving him one of the Vizier's banners as a memento of our joyous victory. >Having approached the city, the Vice-Chancellor stopped in some garden, awaiting the Emperor's arrival since he overtook him; but in the meantime his capable standard-bearer Jaskólski, who carried the banner for him, put it somewhere in the garden so incautiously and carelessly that it was stolen. This news reached me two miles away, so that I had to send a second banner, which I intended to keep for myself. But I have two more like it. O Anonymous 07/04/21(Sun)21:28:55 No.11487197 >11487205 >>11487295 >>11487870 >>11487196 (OP) >Having overnighted in his cloak or on some boxwood, since no one would let him into the city (we too have had some four nights like that), the Vice-Chancellor entered the city on the following morning. Then at midnight Gałecki [Franciszek Zygmunt Gałecki, Magister Culinae of Poland] came running to me from Sir Schaffgotsch [Count Christoph Leopold Schaffgotsch, the Emperor's ambassador to Sobieski] like a madman, saying the Emperor is greatly troubled that I want to talk to him through the Vice-Chancellor, and he wants to talk with me in person, not with my speaker; I then wrote to the Vice-Chancellor to have him stop until we can clarify what is going on and why. Two hours after that dispatch it was Sir Schaffgotsch who came running: by God, there's been a mistake! The misunderstanding was Sir Gałecki's, who said that the Vice-Chancellor will speak on behalf of the King, instead of the King himself speaking with the Emperor. Seeing that it was a joke and an irrelevancy [literally "they bury Jews under this pretext"], I said that "I personally speak with monarchs and dukes, and others as necessary; the Vice-Chancellor only replies on my behalf to officials, cities, chapters, etc., so your qualms are unnecessary; but tell me what you nee want, and why you are beating around the bush like this. This is supposedly about your right hand, but one can find a way for anything, you just have to say it." Sir Schaffgotsch replied that the Emperor is indeed troubled by the fact he cannot offer me his right hand now, with his Electors who represent the States of the Empire. I therefore presented him with a way. I would go with my army on the day, and once I see the Emperor approach I will ride out from my army towards him and we will greet each other on horseback and stop opposite each other: he among his Electors and I among my son, senators, and hetmans. They then eagerly accepted this method and that was how it went. and >> O Anonymous 07/04/21(Sun)21:29:58 No.11487205 >11487284 >>11488153 >>11487197 >The Emperor came with only the Elector of Bavaria, since the Elector of Saxony had already left; there were several dozen courtly gentlemen, officials, and ministers with him, guards behind him, trumpeters in front of him, and six or eight valets. I won't describe his looks since they are well known. He rode a bay horse, probably Spanish. He wore a justaucorps richly decorated with ribbons, a French hat with a clasp and white and brick red feathers, the clasp with sapphires and diamonds, his sword likewise. We greeted each other quite humanely; I gave him my regards in a few words of Latin, he replied in the same language, raise his hand towards his hat, the sight of which struck me stiff. He did the same with all the senators and hetmans, and his ally, prince Voivode of Belz with quite good words. As I stood there in front of him, I presented him with my son, who approached him and bowed. The Emperor did not even [Konstanty Krzysztof Wiśniowiecki, whose late cousin was the previous King of Poland and was married to the Emperor's sister]. However, there was nothing to (so that the world wouldn't be scandalized or laugh) but to speak a few more words to him, after which I turned on my horse, we bowed to each other, and I do went on my way. As for him, the Voivode of Ruthenia [Stanisław Jan Jabłonowski, the Grand Crown Hetman] led him to the troops as he asked, and he saw our soldiers who were tremendously miserable and loudly complained that he would not even award their great labours and losses with a tip of the hat.

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In the said siege of Diu, she gave a very distinct proof of her value Catarina Lopes. It was the case, that she wanting to reject the pride of an enemy combatant, who had advanced to the walls, fell of them down along with the soldier. He wanted to fill his anger, using all his strength to suppress those of the valiant matron. But, putting aside the natural weakness, she was clothed with such a manly spirit, that coming with him to the fight, cast him down to the ground, and having no weapon wherewith to smite him, she took advantage of those which his own wrath ministered to her (for as a poet said: Furor arma ministrat. Virgilio.) And so she put her fingers in his eyes, and plucked them out; and then rescued from their own, escaped the rage of their enemies, who, with their hands raised, avenged the insult.
> O Anonymous 11/16/15(Mon)13:29:43 No.242018 >>244062 File: Kabarebe.jpg (52 KB, 620x387) >>241595 I like African Uniforms and their paratrooper fetish. O Anonymous 11/16/15(Mon)19:36:57 No.244062 >>244104 >>242018 The only people without a paratrooper fetish are dead people desu. >* O Anonymous 11/16/15(Mon)19:40:58 No.244104 ► >244125 >>244062 Plus, the Kabarebe Blitz might be the coolest 'Paratrooper' operation in history. O Anonymous 11/16/15(Mon)19:43:25 No.244125 *244273 >>244104 >Kabarebe Blitz Google gives me nothing except a few mentions of a Rwandan general? O Anonymous 11/16/15(Mon)19:59:17 No.244273 ► >252394 >>252466 >>252738 >>244125 OK, that General during the Second Congo War, Rwanda decides to invade the Democratic Republic of Congo. Which is a plan that makes Barbarossa look like a cakewalk. The Congo has like 6 times the population of Rwanda, and is seriously like a hundred times the size. So what Kabarebe decided to do was, he takes his paratroopers, they cross into the Congo. They seize commercial airliners. They get on board them. They fly them across the continent, near the Atlantic ocean, where they land in the Congo's primary air force base. Within days, a few hundred men had blocked of an entire nation's access to the sea, captured their airforce, cut of 40% of the electrical power generation by seizing a hydroelectric dam and were about to take the capital. The only reason they didn't win the war right there themselves was the Angolans panicked and got involved. They suffered like 80% losses in the first day of fighting with Angola. The survivors retreated into UNITA held Angola however, and returned by airlift back to Rwanda in good order. It's crazy to think 600 paratroopers nearly controlled the fate of 60 million Congolese. > O Anonymous 11/17/15(Tue)21:45:23 No.252470 ► 2>252543 >>252738 >>252394 Once you get into it, the crazy number of factions is half the fun. There wars never stop twisting and turning. At the start of the conflict, the raison d'etre for the Rwandans to be involved in the Congo was to crush the Hutu aligned ALİR, which used to be the Rwandan government. But by the end of the war, the Rwandans were arming the Hutus, who still wanted to genocide them, in a conflict against Uganda, and Africa nearly not only got it's WWI, but it's WWII. Uganda, BTW is like the last country on earth that get's it's way by being a military hegemon. In the last twenty years theyve: 1) Overthrown the government of the Democratic Republic of the Congo. 2) Then occupied huge chunks of the Congo for nearly a decade. 3) Put a stop to Sudanese funded rebels in Uganda, and then chased them off so hard they broke off South Sudan into it's own country, with a government pliable to Ugandan interests. 4) Have basically militarily occupied chunks of Somalia, and periodically use that to blackmail Kenya. And have made all that pay for itself. African conflicts are freaking awesome. The problem is everything in the west has to be talked about through 'humanitarian' lenses. This makes the conflicts indecipherable, because the media refuses to talk about the actual politics (and African agency) in the wars, and also cuts out coverage of cool s--- like a legion of Serbian Kebab removers fighting in the Congo, hired to Remove Cockroach. O Anonymous 11/17/15(Tue)21:51:59 No.252512 >252531 >>252466 >>252394 Oh, and if you want to know what happened to Kabarebe, the crazy bastard who planned all this, he managed to survive the Angolan attack, retreat INTO hostile territory with his men, hook up with UNITA, fly back to Rwanda, where he was made Defense Minister. And is still the Defense Minister to this day. Rwanda is basically an African Prussia. Sure lots of African states have had military dictators, but Rwanda is really a case of an army acquiring a state by being hyper competent. Because it has this core around a functional, professional organization, Rwanda is one of the few countries in Africa that has it's s--- together, and functions well enough there's talk of an "African Singapore." O Anonymous 11/17/15(Tue)21:55:08 No.252531 252567 >>252512 Didn't they take a good chunk of the aid money from the genocide and spend it on military training? > O Anonymous 11/17/15(Tue)22:00:31 No.252567 > >252589 >252738 >>252531 Yes and no, for a few reasons. 1) They were very conscious, because they understood how to milk western donors, to make sure no aid money went to the military. At the same time, aid money meant they were able to spend like 15% of their GDP on the military, because everything else was covered. 2) Training wasn't really high on their needs. The RPA was one of the most professional forces on the continent. I've read one author who suggested that rather then sending American advisors to help the RPA turn into a modern fighting force, the RPA should have been sending advisors to teach the American army COIN operations. A lot of it was focused on better equipping their army, training Congolese puppet armies, and getting their officers modern administrative skills. O Anonymous 11/17/15(Tue)21:56:47 No.252543 > >>252628 >>252470 sa legion of Serbian Kebab removers fighting in the Congo, hired to Remove Cackroach. Explain And you gotta do threads on this sort of s---. Africa is sounding f------ awesome. > O Anonymous 11/17/15(Tue)22:12:59 No.252628 ► >>252635 >252738 >>252543 OK, so first the Rwandans begin kicking in Zaire's door in the first Congo war. The French are still Le butthurt over the Tutsis basically, well, existing. A lot of sources say they had financial investments in Zaire, but they really didn't. The big thing was that they thought they were hegemons over Francophone Africa (even the Belgian part). They supported the Hutu dominated regime and got seriously embarrassed by the whole genocide thing, and then even more embarrassed when the RPA BTFO the old government of Rwanda and France couldn't do anything about it. Mobuto has lost his American allies so he starts kissing up to the French, and the basic goal of French policy in Africa is to have someone, anyone kiss their ass. Mobuto knows he doesn't have enough time to fix the MASSIVE problems in his army, and honestly thinks a competent army would be a threat to him. He wants mercenaries. He wants mercenaries like they j------- to in Rhodesia threads. THOSE guys. So the French Foreign office tries. First they actually call some of the Crippled Eagles asking them to fight, and they kindly inform the French that the Rhodesian Bushwar was nearly 20 years ago, and we are all super old now. So the French negotiate a contract between Zaire and a super shady Serbian telecommunications company. A telecommunications company that doesn't seem to actually do anything telecommnications wise, and the contract with Zaire doesn't specify what the f--- they're supposed to be doing. Conveniently, a group of Serbian veterans show up to fight for Zaire at the same time. These guys are exactly like our accordion wielding friend. Sounds like a great plan. Battle hardened Serbs with a thousand yard stare who have extensive experience in nasty ethnic warfare. They're going to f--- the RPA up and show the Hutus how to do genocide properly. O Anonymous 11/17/15(Tue)22:14:23 No.252635 >>252663 >>252628 Problem: The Serbs don't care about Zaire, they have no idea what a Rwandan is or looks like. None of them speak any of the local language, and when deployed they mostly just get drunk, blast turbofolk, and r--- the local Congolese, and when given some of Zaire's finest aircraft, they manage to crash them into each other. It would be the finest military outfit Mobuto could field in the first congo war. O Anonymous 11/17/15(Tue)22:04:09 No.252589 > >252671 2>252567 How did the military figure into the Rwandan Genocide? Did they just put their hands up and say "not our problem" or something? It's incredible that a military that competent and battle-tested wouldn't have been able to stop that s--- in its tracks. O Anonymous 11/17/15(Tue)22:21:51 No.252671 >252683 >>252738 >>252589 The RPA, which makes up the modern Rwandan Army, wasn't made up of people who were actually from Rwanda. Most of them were from exiles in Tanzania, and Rwandans from Uganda and the Congo. They had been fighting a low level conflict with the government of Rwanda (their army was the RDF, Rwandan Defense Forces), for a few years, which served as a backdrop for the genocide. There is some allegations that the RPA DID let the genocide happen to facilitate the take over. But on the other hand, the Rwandan genocide was devestatingly quick. It was only 100 days. At it ended when the RPA won the war and took over Rwanda. The RDF, and Hutu Power government then fled into Zaire Fearing a counter genocide, most of their supporters went with them. Mobuto actively courted them, and supported them, because they were a new factor in Congolese politics that he could easily woo, and were probably well armed enough to take the eastern Congo from him if he tried anyway. About 2 million people left the Congo this way. Between that and the Genocide, like 40% of Rwanda's population was gone, and the Genocidiares had basically created a Hutu-Power nation in the Eastern Congo. The RPA and their supporters moved into Rwanda, and once they were settled in, they weren't happy with the RDF run military training/refugee camps on their borders, so they decided to invade Zaire to chase them out. O Anonymous 11/17/15(Tue)22:24:36 No.252683 >252735 >>252671 Wait, African mini-Prussia is a new thing? I thought the Rwandans had been making Africa their bitch with their Western-style army in the 1970s and 80s too. >> O Anonymous 11/17/15(Tue)22:33:31 No.252735 ► >>252683 I'll admit I don't know much about Rwanda in the 70s and 80s, but the core of the RPA was actually in Tanzania at the time. After Idi Amin seized power in Uganda, his predecessor, Milton Obote flees to Tanzania, where, with the support of Tanzania, he starts training Militias to take back Uganda from various dissatisfied ethnic groups. One of these would be taken from Ugandan Tutsi. Idi Amin decides to go full retard to deal with these militias, and tries annexing a bunch of Tanzania while he's at it. He fails, badly, and Milton Obote gets Uganda back. He doesn't like having a bunch of armed Tutsi sitting around getting bored, so he suggest they start f------ with Rwanda. This is the beginning of the RPA, and makes up their core leadership. Paul Kagame started his military career fighting against Uganda from Tanzania. A significant chunk of the RPA leadership never even SAW Rwanda before the 90s. If Rwanda's army was cool in the 80s, that Army got BTFO by the RPA, exiled to the Congo, and eventually turned to banditry. A new Rwandan state was imported in it's entirety focused around the RPA in the 90s. O Anonymous 11/17/15(Tue)23:01:28 No.252873 252932 >>252738 Alright, let me bring this full circle and explain why Africa has a giant black boner for paratroopers. First, stuff that other countries normally get excited for as shows of power, Navies, Armored Divisions, Ballistic Missiles, Air Forces, etc. don't really work with the strength and industrial base of African states. It's not that they can't afford them, or use them, it's maintanence that is always the f------ problem. African warfare is a lot like theoreticians predicted warfare would be like before WWI, and we saw Europe was capable of industrialized warfare. Basically, you deploy your tanks and what not, they get shot to s---, and you have no hope of rebuilding your forces by the time the war is over. This is what happens to Zimbabwe in the Second Congo War. Zimbabwe actually inherited a well equipped army and airforce from Rhodesia. They decided to deploy these in the Second Congo war against Rwanda, in the hopes of being able to get access to mining contracts after the war and cockblock the South Africans (told you the multiple faction thing is great) There were actually tank battles in Katanga, which is not what most people picture when they invision African warfare, but there you go. The problem was that after about a year of this, Zimbabwe's bomber fleet needed maintanence, and all their tanks and armored cars had been shot to s---, and the Katanga front was now basically artillery duels. Zimbabwe called it quits (especially since the DROC was courting South African investment anyway) and left. They still haven't replaced their tanks and aircraft and have become militarily irrelevant. So Paratroopers are great because they don't suffer from this. The drop ships are few, easily maintained, and don't suffer a lot of wear and tear in usages, and the paratroopers themselves basically just have small arms. O Anonymous 11/17/15(Tue)23:10:48 No.252932 >252953 >>252873 That last part, combined with the fact that they're well, paratroopers, makes it really great when dealing with Africa's geography. One base with a paratrooper brigade can assure military dominance over a larger area than an infantry division. Because the infantry division will take days or weeks to cross jungles, mountain ranges, etc. This ability to quickly deploy is also a huge advantage with that attrition rate thing. Paratroopers have the capacity to end conflicts way quicker than conventional forces, and in doing so, preserve those conventional forces. The idea of quick, lightning strikes is especially tempting to African states. Another factor is the espirit de corps. There's something about jumping out of planes that tends to mean paratroopers have huge brass balls, and don't care about anyone else. Which is great, because that means they tend to be resistant to the factionalism that plagues other African military units. You tend to get the highest level of professionalism out of them. And then lastly, there's the foreign connection. Two parts to this: Foreign militaries love training paratroopers for their African clients. They're cheap to train. You want to train an armored brigade, you're going to need loads of tanks, fuel specialized ammo, and yeah, most importantly tanks, just for TRAINING. Training them doesnt really solve the problems that the militaries already have. If you train paratroopers though, most of the problem is in training. It's an intensive skillset, but again, light on equipment. So the training you can offer actually matters. The other thing is, paratroopers are the only things African troops really need to fear from the west. They know no western state is going to deploy an amphibious assault on their countries. Hell, some of them are landlocked. But an airborne assault is quick and politically cheap for western powers. O Anonymous 11/17/15(Tue)23:14:10 No.252953 >>252932 Consider things like Operation Thunderbolt, where Israel popped in to the middle of Uganda to f--- s--- up after Uganda let Palestinian highjackers land in Uganda. 30 Ugandan soldiers killed, and a bunch of MiGs lost in the middle of Entebbe. So they're very conscious of the threat of them. They're massively adaptable to the environment, they're hard' units rather than vulnerable, and they achieve all of this by being professional, rather than being expensive. Every African state wants paratroopers, and every African military unit wants to pretend it's paratroopers. I suspect as African states get their s--- together, we'll see some cool f------ airborne operations from them in the future.
O O Anonymous 03/23/19(Sat)09:15:40 No.111820446 v >>111820467 1517760950247.jpg 4 (1.02 MB, 2445x2697) google yandex iqdb wait >>111817362 (OP) http://www.joan-of-arc.org/joanofarc_footnote_319.html >The Count of Dunois, one of her commanders: ".. when myself and the others were in the Maiden's company none of us had any wish or desire to have intercourse with women; and it seemed that this was almost miraculous." >Bertrand de Poulengy, who escorted her to Chinon: "Each night, Jehanne lay down to sleep beside Jean de Metz and myself, wearing her surcoat and her hosen [i.e., pants], laced and secured [this refers to the fact that such clothing was designed so that the tunic and pants could be fastened together]. At that time I was young, nevertheless I never had any desire or carnal impulse to know her as a woman; I wouldn't have dared to make such a request of Jehanne, as a result of the goodness that I saw in her." >Jean de Metz: "[In the fields along the way to Chinon] She, myself and Bertrand took our rest together each night, but the Maiden slept near me, wearing her tunic and hosen, and I felt such dread of her that I would not have dared to ask [her to have sex]; and upon my oath I never had any desire towards her nor carnal feeling." >Gobert Thibault, King's squire: "In the army she was always with the soldiers; and I have heard it said by many of Jehanne's companions that they never had desire for her, or rather sometimes desire was present but they never would have been so presumptuous [i.e., to actually act on it]; and they believed that such was not possible; and many times, when they were speaking about sins of the flesh and words which could incite carnal desires, when they saw and came near to her, they could not speak of such things, as they suddenly lost all carnal desire. And I questioned several who sometimes slept at night in Jehanne's company, who answered me as I have just testified.." 8 O Anonymous 03/23/19(Sat)09:16:44 No.111820467 v 1523519713338.png (241 KB, 485x921) google yandex iqdb wait >>111820446 >Jean d'Aulon, her squire and bodyguard: "Even though she was a young girl, beautiful and shapely, and there were many times, when helping her to put on her armor or otherwise, I have seen her breasts [i.e., the shape of the breasts underneath her tunic: clothing was always worn with armor, needless to say]; and sometimes her legs completely bare when dressing her wounds, [i.e., at the siege of Paris where she was shot in the thigh] and I went near to her many times, and I was [at that time] strong, young and in my prime, never did I feel carnal desire towards her from any sight or contact I had with the Maiden; neither did any of her soldiers or squires, based on what I heard them say many times." >Duke Jean II d'Alençon, one of her commanders: "Sometimes in the army I slept in the field beside Jehanne and the soldiers, and I sometimes saw Jehanne prepare for sleep, and sometimes saw her breasts [again, only the shape: she always slept fully clothed, according to the other eyewitnesses], which were beautiful; however, at no time did I ever have any carnal desire for her." >"Chronique de la Pucelle": "if it so happened that she had to take her lodging in the fields with the soldiers, she never removed her armor. There were many, even among the great lords, who determined to find out whether they could spend the night with her; and for this purpose they went to her nobly dressed; but as soon as they saw her, all feelings of desire ceased" She was literally too pure for this world
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