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🅱ank 🅱ill wrote:

they're too obese to withdraw from anything

let alone their power chairs

Blue Screen (of Death) wrote:

Texas, please. Leaving the US is surely going to create more problems that it will solve.

Can you guys imagine all the things that could go wrong if they become an independent nation? I'll start with number 1:

1) Texas extends their border fence around the whole state and not just along the Mexican border

Who wants to post number 2?

Jack Candle wrote:

Hey Patrick! What am I now?

Jack Candle wrote:

Hey Patrick! What am I now?

Patrick wrote:

@Cale STOP TRYING TO STEAL MY NAME, YOU BIG MEANIE ;-;

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This thread is making me laugh way too hard.

Speaking as an actual Texan, I can tell you that quite a few people have actually wanted to leave the US for the longest time, and it's not because of Obama. And, by the way, don't think this is a widespread view. I live in a pretty conservative area of Texas (and yes, there actually are liberal areas of Texas like Austin, Houston, most of Dallas, etc.), and most of the people around here think it's as stupid as I do. If you do the math, at the time of writing, there's a ratio of 1:277 for people for secession and against, respectively, and some of the signatures aren't even from Texas- a few other southern states are supporting it (cough and that's generally the only progressive idea they support, too cough).

When Bush was reelected, we still had inner turmoil due to people wanting to get the hell away from the rest of the States. When Clinton was inducted, there was a push for secession as well. Almost every president has stirred up Texans wanting to separate… Ever since the 1800's (that Civil War thing- remember…?). Why do they want to separate, though?

Because being in America is quite a bit of a drag.

To better understand them, think of it like this- Texas is a highly nationalistic state, filled with history of rising against oppression (cough usually failing cough), and powerful figures stating that (for some reason or other) Texas is special. A lot of us have this sense of patriotism, but not for our country so much as for our State, causing animosity when an external government imposes upon us.

I know we need the US. I'm not for succeeding. I think it's a terrible idea. But at the same time, I completely understand their view.

They want to recapture the ten or so years we had as a fledgling nation, the annexation of which, despite what Fridge said, is said to have been far from unanimous (I've heard figures such as 1 in 4 were for our annexation, but due to our difficulties as a nation, our Government signed on anyway. Granted, I've also heard the exact opposite, that one in four were against annexation, but I'm more inclined to believe the former due to the fact that we had only just began as our own nation, and the reason we fought a revolutionary war was to have our own freedom from another power-hungry nation. It stands to reason we wouldn't be ripsnorting at the bit to go for another era of being ruled by outside forces).

Nationalism isn't the only problem either. Think about all the stuff that has been going on in the past year alone- how, under the NDAA, supposedly anyone can be detained without trial for incredibly vague reasons… Or SOPA and PIPA, even. And that's not all- there's a couple of internal de jure conflicts as well (though that can be said of almost any state), not to mention the fact that a lot of us feel as though there's a major misrepresentation of us in politics due to people like Rick Perry himself (because all of us just looooooooove Perry)

This isn't actually an attack against Obama- Obama's reelection is really just an excuse… Frankly, it's a great excuse, because of the anti-liberal sentiment in Texas- and that's going to help get a lot more signatures. Even so… At the end of the day, no matter who's in the Oval Office, there's always going to be a minority who wants Texas to be its own state. To help back up the notion that it's not just Obama-hate, take the time to reread the petition.

It clearly states:

The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.

Those people don't want to secede because of Obama. They want Big Brother to get their hand off their shoulder and out of their pocket (and, in the case of TSA, off their junk). No matter who president it is, these people will always want more. Frankly, I find it hilarious that so many people on the net have such a strong opinion of the reasons behind it, and that's normally a resounding "lol Mitt lost- Texas so butthurt".

TL;DR:
The situation's like a motherf*cking Transformer- there's more than meets the eye, yo.

I can feel the downvotes coming- I gave an alternate perspective on it, and now I must pay the price :I

Blue Screen (of Death) wrote:

@Patrick

Actually I upvoted you. It's good to hear the matter from the perspective of an actual Texan.

Thanks for clearing up the motive behind it because just about every source I had on the issue all assumed that the motive was purely the result of the recent elections.

The international community doesn't really know what's going on. Most people are finding it safe assume that the secession is a hysterical election reaction because the issue didn't really become international news until after Obama won his 2nd term but nobody knew that it actually has deeper and older roots than that.

Suffice this all to say, I'll be very surprised if Texas is allowed to split away from the U.S for reasons I am sure you all know.

Patrick wrote:

@Cale STOP TRYING TO STEAL MY NAME, YOU BIG MEANIE ;-;

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This thread is making me laugh way too hard.

Speaking as an actual Texan, I can tell you that quite a few people have actually wanted to leave the US for the longest time, and it's not because of Obama. And, by the way, don't think this is a widespread view. I live in a pretty conservative area of Texas (and yes, there actually are liberal areas of Texas like Austin, Houston, most of Dallas, etc.), and most of the people around here think it's as stupid as I do. If you do the math, at the time of writing, there's a ratio of 1:277 for people for secession and against, respectively, and some of the signatures aren't even from Texas- a few other southern states are supporting it (cough and that's generally the only progressive idea they support, too cough).

When Bush was reelected, we still had inner turmoil due to people wanting to get the hell away from the rest of the States. When Clinton was inducted, there was a push for secession as well. Almost every president has stirred up Texans wanting to separate… Ever since the 1800's (that Civil War thing- remember…?). Why do they want to separate, though?

Because being in America is quite a bit of a drag.

To better understand them, think of it like this- Texas is a highly nationalistic state, filled with history of rising against oppression (cough usually failing cough), and powerful figures stating that (for some reason or other) Texas is special. A lot of us have this sense of patriotism, but not for our country so much as for our State, causing animosity when an external government imposes upon us.

I know we need the US. I'm not for succeeding. I think it's a terrible idea. But at the same time, I completely understand their view.

They want to recapture the ten or so years we had as a fledgling nation, the annexation of which, despite what Fridge said, is said to have been far from unanimous (I've heard figures such as 1 in 4 were for our annexation, but due to our difficulties as a nation, our Government signed on anyway. Granted, I've also heard the exact opposite, that one in four were against annexation, but I'm more inclined to believe the former due to the fact that we had only just began as our own nation, and the reason we fought a revolutionary war was to have our own freedom from another power-hungry nation. It stands to reason we wouldn't be ripsnorting at the bit to go for another era of being ruled by outside forces).

Nationalism isn't the only problem either. Think about all the stuff that has been going on in the past year alone- how, under the NDAA, supposedly anyone can be detained without trial for incredibly vague reasons… Or SOPA and PIPA, even. And that's not all- there's a couple of internal de jure conflicts as well (though that can be said of almost any state), not to mention the fact that a lot of us feel as though there's a major misrepresentation of us in politics due to people like Rick Perry himself (because all of us just looooooooove Perry)

This isn't actually an attack against Obama- Obama's reelection is really just an excuse… Frankly, it's a great excuse, because of the anti-liberal sentiment in Texas- and that's going to help get a lot more signatures. Even so… At the end of the day, no matter who's in the Oval Office, there's always going to be a minority who wants Texas to be its own state. To help back up the notion that it's not just Obama-hate, take the time to reread the petition.

It clearly states:

The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government's neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending. The citizens of the US suffer from blatant abuses of their rights such as the NDAA, the TSA, etc. Given that the state of Texas maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world, it is practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union, and to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers which are no longer being reflected by the federal government.

Those people don't want to secede because of Obama. They want Big Brother to get their hand off their shoulder and out of their pocket (and, in the case of TSA, off their junk). No matter who president it is, these people will always want more. Frankly, I find it hilarious that so many people on the net have such a strong opinion of the reasons behind it, and that's normally a resounding "lol Mitt lost- Texas so butthurt".

TL;DR:
The situation's like a motherf*cking Transformer- there's more than meets the eye, yo.

I can feel the downvotes coming- I gave an alternate perspective on it, and now I must pay the price :I

ConnerABacon wrote:

Population of texas:

25,674,681 (2011)

Amount of people wanting to secede:

80,000

headdesk

Lone K. (Echoid) wrote:

Didn't they state that some other states would want to secede from the US themselves, too?
My teacher told me during class that apparently a few more states wanted to secede in the same matter and reason.

And that includes California.

Yeah. And this is coming from a Californian, so I'm worried.

(Picture from Wikipedia)
That was a proposal a year back (from Jeff Stone) in creating a South California.
(It was denied by officials, of course.)

As quoted from the article on Wikipedia:
"A 2012 book by Marcus Ruiz Evans entitled California's Next Century details an overhauling of California's statehood via a plan to embrace its unique global role and form itself as an independent republic, uniquely poised to become the Switzerland of the 21st century, a global nerve center of international diplomacy, technology and finance."

Patrick wrote:

It's actually already almost 100,000.

Keep in mind, though, that not all of these signatures are even Texan citizens. Scroll through the names- you'll see SC, FL, CA, etc. Regardless, as it stands now, there's like 1/250 people for it, when you consider every signature as Texan. That's far from a majority, no?

RandomMan wrote:

You also have to keep in mind with this that not everyone who agrees signs the petition.

I say they nulify each other, so your 100k is a good estimate. But if I had to give one side an advantage, I'd go with non-signing agreers. Still, far from a general advantage in favor of secession.

Lone K. (Echoid) wrote:

Remember, it's a petition.
But considering the fact that it is at 105k (nearly precise estimate) signatures at the moment, looking at the fact that if it hits 200k signatures, I don't think passports will be left in the shelves for long.

YNG, The Sabbo-Tabby wrote:

Not really true. 200,000 signatures may seem like a lot on its own, but compared to the population of all the states that have signed the petition and that's next to nothing.