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@trixie
Honestly, I dont think she is bad. She goes to a town to put on a show, she gets a couple hecklers, a couple of idiot kids get an Ursa minor pissed and her trailer gets destroyed. Yeah, she's arrogant, but shit, she's putting on a show. If you don't like it, leave. Snips and snails parents should pay for the trailer.

@ villains discussion
Besides discord, I don't really care for any of the villains. They strike me as kinda flat characters. Not much to them besides " I am evil Muhahahahaha!". But mabye it is precisely the reason people love them so much. You can visualize them any way you want because the show doesnt really give you much to go on.

'sup guys. so, i finally decided to jump into the forum. things are getting a bit to summer-ry over in the MLP page. i'll be hanging out here and in the image gallery from here on out.

i may contribute soon, provided i'm not busy with school-related stuff.

Cheers.

Just noticed the post count…

@Pyro:

I guess the protagonist love thing has been overdone, but you're supposed to love to HATE the antagonist, not actually love them. For an example, Saren is my favorite character in Mass Effect 1 because I hate him so much. I hate how he's better, smarter, and stronger than Shepard, and how he has some actually valid points. I hate how, and this is because of the brainwash, he can try to rationalize his actions, and I hate how he was once a good guy that fell from grace.

I love him because he's so hate-able, if that makes sense. I love Garrus far more, because he's not supposed to be hated at all.

So, I don't really get the whole love (not love-to-hate, actual love) of the villains and antagonists in this fandom. I can sort of understand Discord because he's funny as shit and he wasn't meant to be too serious, save for turning the Mane Six against each other (which, I admit, kind of makes me hate him a bit). I can let the love for Trixie and Gilda sort of slide, since they are somewhat redeemable (can't stand the double-standard that is Blueblood's representation, though). But Nightmare Moon and Chrysalis are kind of different, in my eyes. They're not funny like Discord, only slightly antagonistic like Trixie/Gilda, and they're not sympathetic, really. Nightmare Moon tried to kill everypony because she is the embodiment of Luna's jealousy and anger (she's not Luna, as the Elements proved). Chrysalis tried to suck the love from everypony and destroy Equestria.

So, Jackal, I wouldn't come close to calling either of them easy to relate to, and they have far from desirable traits (unless you're psychotic). A murderous god that's trying to commit mass-genocide because somebody else got more attention? Sorry, but I'll pass.

Now, before I rant, I'll mention that I'm not trying to hate, here, I'm just saying that I find it difficult to see how the villains are relatable or likable. They're also far from the deepest or most developed characters in the show, so I don't see how people can come to conclusions, really.

@lasers
Thanks for the info
Just curious, cus i know im a newb, might as well get this over with…
ahem…
How do i bold, post an image, and post a video?
@Popperfett
Thanks and- wait im a bitch now? :O

Indeed, poking fun at the volunteers is part of being a magician as described here:

(Penn would also be a bad-ass villain voice, but I digress)

Trixie went too far by outright insulting her audience. Also, while lying about one's own abilities is par the course for stage magicians, there is a difference between the folks Like Penn & Teller who outright admit that they are magicians using tricks and people who will look you in the eye and say they actually have psychic powers. The lies about the Ursa Major is a parallel to IRL people who lie about being able to talk to the dead or claim to use hypnosis to cure illnesses.

@Megalozors
- Bold is done by placing asterisks ( * ) around your phrase. Place the first asterisk before the phrase/word, and place the next one after the segment you want bolded.

-Images on this site and others have the option for embeding. Look for the one for blog posts/HTML. Copy paste the info and the image should appear.

-Similar for videos. YouTube supports embedding, which you have to go to "Share", then "Embed". Copy the code and paste.
Now for autoplay, you need to use the old code (this is the way I do it), and place autoplay=1 after every web adress (there should be two) in the code, within the " " 's.

Oh, and yeah about the bitch. Lasers even wrote a fanfic about us that had RandomMan slap us and call nearly everyone a bitch (in short, he's our local king of swag).

And I might as well tell you about how to cross out – just put two " – "s at the ends of the phrase/word you want to cross out.

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@Windigo:

Exactly. Magicians are supposed to screw with their audience and joke around with them. It's a profession of entertainment, and one way to entertain people is screw around. However, if your audience stops enjoying it and starts getting annoyed by it, you're doing it wrong. Not only is your audience pissed off at you, they're less likely to buy tickets. Supposedly banishing an Ursa Major does little good when nobody wants to hear about it because you're a bitch.

Edit: Adding onto Popper, you can embed images by placing an ! on each end of the image URL, which you can get by either opening an image in a new tab or selecting it with right-click and choosing 'Copy Image URL'.

Alright, lemme try this…

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Me…. What have I done?!
@Popperfett
YOU'VE CREATED A MONSTER

that's pretty badass XD

By the way, has anyone else seen the latest episode of 'Atop the Fourth Wall'?

STOP MAKING ME POST HERE SO FREQUENTLY.

@Appeal of villains and Trixie

Once again, I have arrived too late to the argument, so I'll just weigh in my opinions. I agree with Explosives that it's just because they're female. The villains lack any sort of development or vast array of characteristic traits other than what the fandom has given it. Chyrsalis does have the kick-ass song (which helps for me), but everything about her says, "pure evil". Hell, the only thing she talked about was her desire to suck power from every inhabitant of Equestria.

Discord is a male antagonist that has quite a following, but I think that's just because of his similarities to Sheogorath, voicing by John DeLancie, and the fact that he was one of the season opening/finale villains, which always tend to be liked.

A little like Trixie’s sly, cunning attitude

I'm sorry, but after watching "Boast Busters", I could find nothing sly or cunning about Trixie's attitude. She was designed specifically to be a boastful, arrogant, unlikable person, but that doesn't stop the fandom from adoring her.

So much unfair love for Trixie simply because Seth feels the need to mention his love for her constantly. It really ruins the character for me instead of helping me like her.

I actually read somewhere on Eq D that Seth prefers Twilight over Trixie and that his adoration of her is just a joke that he goes with. It was in an "about" page, but they removed it and replaced it with a different page.

Some of you might remember a while back some adult CMC pixel art I posted. The artist finally made one for Scootaloo.

I was checking his deviantart page for over two weeks just waiting for this.

Derpibooru moved their servers recently, so it's been a heck of a lot faster. I already like it a lot more than Ponibooru. I never really understood why so many people liked it so much.

Note: The Aperture Science Enrichment Center strongly advises that, if in the situation of frequentious posting, pleases lie down and apply immediate pressure to your temples. If not done correctly, you may post for the rest of your life. Not our problem.

EDIT: Im having too much not enough fun with this.
EDIT 2: Derpy's my favorite pony, just think you should all know that :D

Now back to the evil thing:

To simplify, I'll use the old maxim:

"Evil is Sexy"

It is common place in literature and cinema to have a female antagonist (should their be one) appear to be seductive or have features of beauty, as such, enhancing her role as the villain. This may root back to older days, when a seductive woman was a sign of evil: a femme fatale (that is, a seductive female that uses her looks and charm for deceit and personal gain). Though thought of as evil and undesirable beforehand, modern society takes this and instead finds it attractive.

I'd refer to Baroness from the GI-Joe Franchise.

Though clearly an evil woman with evil intentions, she is a seductive looking figure wearing a bodysuit that enhances her figure. She is portrayed to be a femme fatale with a ruthless nature. After all, she's a lieutenant in the world's most dangerous terrorist organization.

For Chrysalis, the singing voice (as has been mentioned) is a very important factor amongst most fans. Just as well, she is definitely a femme fatale and a definite seductress. My personal interest in her is all the things Pyro mentioned: she's got a evil bad-girl-like thing going on, that makes her very appealing. She's bad in all the right ways…
(ahem)
She's very pretty, and everything about her is what I like.

As for Nightmare Moon, you can also factor in sympathy. That's right: sympathy. She's a princess that wanted more attention, but got banished as a result. You can start to feel a little sympathetic even though you aren't meant to. In short, she's a tragic villain, who went from good to evil due to a bad event in her past. Also, as Pyro pointed out, she's got great design.

So, you can see that an Evil Female is supposed to be a seducing character, so one should not be too surprised that female villains are the more liked.

@Mufins
I know they lack a bunch of traits. Most of how we see them comes from what traits we've given them. But fanon aside, I still love Moon a lot. I like her personality. She's a dark, gorgeous, driven personality with excellent work ethic. She may not be all that fleshed-out, but I guess all the ones they showed her to have I liked. Overall, from what we've seen of her, she's a powerful and motivated female. I peronally don't give a damn if all that motivation was towards genocide. She's still really appealing with all that.
That, and the fact that she did her own dirty work and didn't use others helps. I dislike the trait of using others as pawns, hence why I like Moon over Chrysalis. I like both of them, but Moon is overall a better character.

I think in terms of villainry. Discord beats all. I mean, the villain is the antagonist who is against the protagonist, the antagonist hates what the protagonist likes/ lives for, and tries to ruin it for them. Now the show is based on friendship, the mane 6 being the protagonists who live for friendship. Lets look at some antagonists-
Nightmare Moon- GOAL: Make it night forever, never lower the moon
she wasn't really trying to destroy the friendship of the mane 6 (which at that time they barely knew eachother in the first place)

Queen Chrysalis- Goal: Take over Equestria (i think), destroy the love of shining armor and Princess Cadence. She wasnt trying to destroy the friendship between the mane 6 was she?

Now for discord- Goal: Obliterate the harmony of equestria and create another age of chaos. In doing so, he saw that the mane 6 posed a threat to him with the elements of harmony, so he began to trick each of them to not trusting one another. He is the most villainous of all the villains.

Look at 0:37

Our plan of complete global saturation is nearing its completion…….

@Aperture Science, Inc.
Oh **** they found out
BLACK MESA! CALLING BLACK MESA!
Get us out of here!

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@Megalolzors and Delta Two-Six
Here's a list of some frequent thread posters and their bios.

@Connor
Cool :D
Can you put me on there? :P
Note: I dont know why, but i like placing emoticons everywhere

@Megalolzors
I'm not in there either, neither is Windigo, Joe Amethyst, or some of the other common posters. I assume Connor only puts the ones who were here in Pony General the longest (that is to say, from the earlier Pony Generals), as I and the others I mentioned only joined on this Pony General.
But if Connor could add some of us, that would be good. Note though he has a thorough explanation for each poster. He's going to need a bit more info from all of us.

@PopperFett
Oh….

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Feels bad, man…

>MFW:

Anywho, I'm just going to leave this here:

Dammit Connor, you beat me. Anyways, listen to this as you read it.

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I generally like to wait awhile until I put someone on the list. I just haven't been maintaining it that well recently.
If you want to be added to the list send me a PM containing the following information: your name, your thread occupation, you likes, your dislikes, you favourite pony, your favourite episode, since when you have been a brony, and any other relevant information about you.
Theres already a few people I have to add but forgot about, just send it in and I'll add you… eventually.

@Conner
Not only am I not on any lists, I'm not even mentioned in the list of people who aren't on the list…

Oh well!

@DeadParrot222
I see scootaloo a chicken is your favorite pony….
Can you guess mine?

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Go ahead… GUESS!!!

@Megalolzors
"Hmmm…"

"Oh! Is it Rainbow Dash? It is, isn't it? I mean, how could it not be? She's the most awesome pony ever!"

@pyro and popperfet
If you don't mind me asking, why chrysalis and moon? You guys said you like powerful and determined women and femme fatales. Why them and not the various other characters in entertainment that are more fleshed out and well, human? I'm just curious.

@DeadParrot222
"Uuuuuuuh…. no…… lemme give you a hint…. I electricuted rainbow dash on accident.
I dont know what went wrong though D:"

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"…Pinkie Pie?"

"Or maybe that weirdo Trixie?"

"Rainbow Dash gets shocked a lot…"

"Really? Wow! Nice work, Rainbow Dash! Now its my turn :D But no, keep guessing!"

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"Ohhhhh! You mean Derpy! I remember her! I've run into her once or twice… literally…"

"That's right! You win a muffin :D!"

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"ooops… sorry scootaloo…. i ate it, oh well!"

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"OH! I do have some mail for you though!"

Printed on the outside of the letter says "TAXES"

"Oh yeah! I remember you, Scootaloo! I told you about how i got my cutie mark!"

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I could go into a rant about how humans aren't very appealing because of reasons, but I won't clog the thread with discussion about how humans are horrible vs how awesome we are.
Something about her appeals to me more than the others. She's just…attractive to me. Who wouldn't want to have her? She's beautiful, she's got a great personality, and she has her faults. I'm not sure why exactly I do, but I can see a few things that would make her attractive.

@Popper:

The thing is, Chrysalis was not meant to be seductive. She was meant to be a shape-shifter, lulling people into a false sense of security using magic and deception, not seduction. Compared to ponies she is, no offense, fucking hideous. Twisted horns, fangs, holes, torn up wings, ratty hair, and monster eyes. She's supposed to be a monster in her normal form, and doesn't employ seduction as a tool.

She's a femme fatale in the sense that she's a woman that's harmful and evil, but she is not seductive.

As for the sympathy to Nightmare Moon, it doesn't work that way. You can be sympathetic to Luna easily, but not Nightmare Moon. And there is a major difference. Moon is the embodiment of jealousy and anger in Luna, given manifest. She wasn't banished because she wanted attention, she was banished because she nearly destroyed the world to steal attention for herself.

@Pyro:

I could argue that, technically, Chrysalis showed a little bit more character than NMM in the show. And that's saying something, as they both showed far less than many other characters, in my opinion.

@badsitrep:

It's been confirmed that Michael (the rage quite guy) is a brony for a long-ass time. When the Burny persona with the Fluttershy head comes in, you can hear Michael saying 'Fucking asshole!' in the background.

@Megalolzors:

You can also put images in your posts using an exclamation mark an each end of the URL, which you can get by opening it in a new tab or right-clicking the image and selecting Copy Image URL. It stops the 'See More on KnowYourMeme' thing.

Also, I would hold back on the frequency of the images. The earlier PG threads had a lot of image spam, and it irked a lot of users the wrong way. Furthermore, it doesn't add much to the discussion.

@Connor and Zar:

Even listening to A River Flows In You, that didn't make me cry. I blame my +60 Feel Resistance, really. It was sad, sure, but it had a bittersweet ending, and went by pretty fast.

@Derpy and Scoots:

Haha, that's really funny, you two.

But, no, seriously, who's best pony again?

@Pyro:

>2012
>Calling humans horrible
>Fawning over the villains in MLP
>Aforementioned villains are more horrible than many terrorist organizations
>MFW:

@Lasers
"You dont accept us as best ponies? THEN TASTE MY MUFFINS, CELESTIA!!!

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@Derpy
"Uh, Derpy… I don't think I have to pay taxes yet… Plus, you still owe me after that 'flying lesson' you promised!"

@Celestia
"Oh, hi, Princess! Yeah, you're pretty awesome, too! Thanks for the other day!"

@Lasers
The problem here is that you are attempting to apply logic to an inherently illogical and subjective thing like attraction, especially when it's about a fictional character.
I like Chrysalis as well (though not to Pyro's Popper's level, whoops), but I don't think that any attempt to describe why would be convincing to anyone who doesn't like her.
Hell, I agree with all of your points so I'm not sure I could convince myself of why I like her.

A soul-sucking doublecrosser that wants to infiltrate a group so she can spread anger and cruelty in them, and feed off the feelings of friendship they once had for each other can be related to?
First, I’d like to introduce you to somebody:

lespy.jpg

Second, I’d like to ask what the fuck?

I don't know what's funnier. The fact that you didn't realize that post was meant to be taken as a joke, or the irony of the fact that it wasn't 100% sarcasm.

Yes, she is relatable, but I chose to list her negative qualities rather than positive ones as a joke. Power hungry=ambitious, and as Popper Fett has repeatedly stated already, ambition is a highly desirable trait. Arrogance=self-confidence, and self-confidence is also desirable. Characters such as Blueblood who have confidence but lack ambition, are dreadfully dull in my eyes. At least The Great and Powerful Trixie actually strives to achieve high levels of magical power. This being said, you don't have to be psychotic to relate to them. You simply have to understand the dichotomy of human nature, and be able to see that your personal strengths can also be your personal weaknesses. Seeing my strengths as weaknesses actually helps me keep my ambitions and ego in check.

As for deceptive and manipulative characters being enjoyable and relatable to me, that's where things get complicated. I enjoy the study of psychology. Humans are INCREDIBLY complex beings, and we all think differently. In order to manipulate different types of people effectively, you have to know how each individual thinks. It actually takes a bit of smarts and charm to be a good liar. I admire the amount of work that has to be put into it, and, as horrible as this may sound, I think it is actually pretty fun to lie, just to see what falsities you can fool people into believing. HOWEVER, I understand my actions have repercussions, and only lie to joke around. I persuaded my brother the moon was a UFO once just to see if I could. I told a new coworker that I was legally required to inform them I am a sex-offender, but couldn't stop from cracking up when they actually fell for it. I ONLY lie for the sake of a laugh. NEVER for personal gain, and NEVER to hurt someone. I understand that manipulating people is wrong, but I like to know that I could do it if the need had ever arisen, like in A Dog and Pony Show.

Lastly, I like characters for the negative qualities more than the positive qualities. It's cool to see characters with too much ego, or too much ambition in cartoons because they don't exist, and their actions have no repercussions. I can never be TOO egotistic or TOO ambitious, and can never really practice deception without hurting someone, and I like people and love my friends so I really don't want to do that. Still, it's really fun to see characters uninhibited by morals, knowing that their atrocities don't actually hurt anyone.

Also, spy is my favorite class, and I use the Kunai almost exclusively because it's so satisfying to beat an enemy with such a handicap, only to drain their health and take it for your own. >:)

Let’s say that that guy is the new season 3 Alicorn villain. He’s family of Celestia and Luna and returned to Canterlot for the sole purpose of taking back the throne, the one which he lost to Celestia.

While it COULD be pulled off well, he lacks something Chrysalis AND Discord had. Creativity. The Draconequis and changelings were interesting, fresh ideas. Alicorns, not so much. It worked with Nightmare Moon because it was just the pilot, and using an alicorn helped establish the initial world-building. Discord was a male protagonist, but he was interesting, too. I wouldn't care for your character because he's unimaginative.

Going back again to the sex of the pony in question. Now answer this honestly, but would you love Chrysalis just as much if she was male? (I meant just as in liking the character, not romantically)

Yes, yes, hell yes. I might like him less than Chrysalis perhaps, but the personality would intrigue me all the same. While gender might play into it, it would not affect my opinions on characters to any remotely significant degree. Female Blueblood would still be boring, and male Chrysalis would still be awesome.

Compared to ponies she is, no offense, fucking hideous. Twisted horns, fangs, holes, torn up wings, ratty hair, and monster eyes.

I DUNNO MAN, SOUDNS PRETY SEXY TO ME.

"Scoots, dont you remember that I gave you a hands-on flying lesson?"

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@Jackal Lantern
=Compared to ponies she is, no offense, fucking hideous. Twisted horns, fangs, holes, torn up wings, ratty hair, and monster eyes.=

=I DUNNO MAN, SOUDNS PRETY SEXY TO ME.=

That, right there, was hilarious.

LOOK MAMA! I FOUND OUT HOW TO POST A VIDEO ALL BAH MAHSELF!!!

@Lasers
>2012
>That my sister is best pony
>MFW

"I think you and I have different definitions of the word 'lesson'… and 'flying'…"

(This was way too much fun, but we should probably cut this off here and get back to actual discussion now.)

@Lasers
I never said I hated humans, I just said I don't like humans all that much.
@Parrot
Popper is the one who likes Chrysalis, not me.
@Connor
I feel nothing. Absolutly nothing.
Now have some lulz

@Deadparrot222

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@Lasers
I believe you said something about Morgan Freeman earlier.
Well…

@Nightmare Moon:

Oh, don't worry, on my listing it's kind of like:

-Celestia
-Luna, Nightmare Moon, Discord, AJ, RD, Pinkie, Rarity, Twilight, Flutters, Spike, Big Mac, Cheerilee, Roseluck, Daisy, Lily, Carrot Top, Octavia, Derpy, Vinyl, The Doctor, Dinky, Pip, Applebloom, Granny Smith, Sweetie, Scoots, Steven Magnet, Flim and Flam, Cadence, Shining Armor, Braeburn, Caramel, Chesty Motherfucking McThunderbeard, Thunderlane, Screwball, Screwloose, Blossomforth, Flitter, Cloud Chaser, Cloud Kicker, Rumble, Big McLargehuge, Chief Thunderhooves, Little Strongheart, Iron Will, The Happy Changeling, and Heavy Weapons Guy
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- Trixie, Gilda, Chrysalis, Blueblood, Diamond Tiara, and Silver Spoon
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-Thomas Nair

@Deadparrot:

Yeah, I'm trying to analyze why people like antagonists so much as a way to pass time. I know people like them for unknown reasons, but it can't hurt to try and understand.

@Jackal:

Yeah, I assumed it was a joke, which is why my first response was a joke, and my second response was confusion.

I find it entertaining to lie sometimes, which I think is sort of the basis of light trolling. 'Hey, what do you use the pocket lint and shit to craft?' 'Unusuals!' But, there's a difference between ambition and trying to undermine and conquer a peaceful nation. There's also a difference between arrogance and confidence. Confidence is a trait of a leader and a role model. Arrogance is the trait of somebody who thinks they're better than others. Chrysalis is the latter, for sure, and might be the former, arguably.

As for the point about cartoon characters and all that on the last paragraph in response to me:

The characters in cartoons usually do have repercussions on their actions, but they're usually lighter than in real life. For example, Trixie's ego wound up biting her in the ass, is did Chrysalis's, and Flim and Flam's, and Discord's… Gilda's anger came back to blow up in her face negatively, as another example. So, I wouldn't say the repercussions are totally nonexistent, but they apply to, like you said, something nonexistent.

I could also say it is possible to harm people with media, but it's a moot point. The repercussions on villains are more likely to help people by teaching lessons.