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People are gonna make fun of stupidity regardless of the situation. It's not really a circlejerk when its genuine stupidity. It's practically basic human nature to make fun of what you deem stupid. Granted, I believe the thought "lol that SJW is stupid, I'll never be like that" is not a very conducive thought to have. Considering all the "fail" pictures and videos on the internet, I think its pretty clear that unless we put up a sign that says "do not laugh at these people, they may be bigots but they're people too" we're gonna get those circlejerk comments. Putting "jerk" in quotations is bit too far though but I'll agree to disagree on that one.

I sincerely doubt the people documenting the broken logic and clear bigotry of the anti-GG side are doing it for reasons akin to the redneck in "to kill mocking bird" (i.e doing it for the circlejerk). As long as its not the contributors doing it, I don't think it matters so much unless guilt by association is not a fallacy.

Edit: forgot the word not. I do not support close-mindedness.

games are not that serious, if you put that much of your life into games then just wow

Like i've read posts where people have said that this shit literally changed their lives. And i'm just left dumbfounded. How can anyone find games so important is beyond me.

Yeah of course.

I'll go ahead and reply to this. For me, it's not about "games." I think there's a significant division between the actual industry and the culture around the industry. Video games aren't a central part of my life, but news-watching is. I've been observing and reflecting on the nature of mass media reporting for months now and I've grown more and more frustrated with partisan fearmongering and disingenuous coverage. When we're talking about issues of foreign policy or issues in Washington DC, it's easier to intellectualize things, but when we're talking about identity, it's a lot easier to internalize them.

I could give less of a fuck about review scores and female costumes in games. Gaming doesn't define me, but up until recently the progressive world view factored heavily into my identity. Let's be realistic: I'm a college kid and college kids are generally naive, easily capable of romanticizing things. For the longest time, I had a romanticized view of the left and progressivism as an ideology. What's going on with this has exposed me to tons of ugly behavior on the part of self-identified progressives. I intellectually understood that people on the left are capable of repugnant behavior, but never experienced it in person. From the petulance of people on twitter to the yellow journalism of Gawker and its subsidiaries, I'm seeing the ugliness that progressives can be capable of. I'm also disturbed by how easily demagogues like Milo Yiannopoulos have been able to take advantage of the situation and of people's passions.

I'm not a part of this movement. I don't identify with it. I haven't sent emails; I don't even own a twitter account. I'm looking at this from a big-picture point of view. The majority of the people involved in this thing are, by definition, young and tech savvy. This generation, the "milennials" are awakening to the cultural and political realities around them and it scares the living hell out of me that they're throwing themselves right into the world of lies and slander and hatred. This fiasco is drawing lines in the sand between ideologies. It's a training ground for the political arguments and movements of tomorrow.

A conversation about games journalism that might end the careers of a few unimportant people? That's not life changing. Seeing people get so passionate over that discussion that they send knives through the mail, steal private information and release it to the public, force women from their homes, or commit terror threats? That's life changing. Seeing an grassroots movement spring up couched in the anonymous mob mentality of the internet and all the horrifiyng things that can result in? That's life changing.

It isn't gamergate as such that's been so impactful for me, it's the implications that this type of movement has on the future of consumerism, politics, and activism that's been so impactful. Like I said, people aren't going to unlearn the tactics they've adopted for this-- they're going to take those tactics and apply them to much more serious issues.

I'm going to remind you that today 10 weeks have passed from the assassination of Ferdinand event.

Can I get a list of places GamerGate talks usually take place?

There's The Escapist
r/KotakuInAction
Sherdog
GameFront
/gg/
and here.

I see. I'm thinking of telling people if you really think the movement is about misogyny how about talking to pro-gamergaters and asking them what the movement is about, which is why I asked where do people usually talk about it.

Can I also get a list of places that GG talk is banned?

Oh plenty.
r/GamerGirls
r/Gaming
NeoGaf is pretty much an echo chamber
4chan
and other usual suspects.

You need to incite them in order to get them to talk though. That's the thing. Unless they want to be challenge, no need to point them to the usual places if they can't make an effort to do so

I can now confirm the NeoGaf one. I just got my ass handed to me there.

I don't get some anti-GamerGate people.

They say it's about harassment, not ethics.
I show them bad ethics.
They then try to bring the story back to harassment.

The thing is…do anti-GamerGate people recognize shills directed to them by third party?

^Well, you don't have to say that again for certain.

This was made before GamerGate. It's interesting on how many things he looked through the fingers turned out to be much worse in the end.

I'm beginning to think a page on #FullMcIntosh might be in order. In addition, there might need to be a little section on a derivative of it, #BeyondMcIntosh.

Because I likely wouldn't be alive if not for games and the people I found within them.

Am I being over-dramatic? I dunno, it's hard to look back at that point in time with any sort of clarity, but it's what I believe.

I won't let them say the identity I took on that gave me life is now dead.

What?

@Synchronous

I likely wouldn’t be alive if not for games

I'm quite curious. Are you able to elaborate on this?

Because shit is fun to play with and interactive. It is more easy to bring people together in games because of common taste, or simply gives a new fun thing to explore outside sitting through a movie, or listening to music. So theoretically, games can be life changing.

I mean it isn't rocket science. Games changed a entire generation with our common interests in focus from the kind of games we enjoy. My own life, for better or worse, have always had a joy in Blizzard games and strategy where I find other things because of my isolation to be boring and trivial. I find new friends and grander experiences playing with buddies online. I for one also enjoy the lore to explore and learn from, and to be apart of a interactive story. Why watch a battle unfold for only a few minutes when you can make them in a different setting?

To answer your question, yes, you are being over-dramatic.
Nothing is stopping you from still enjoying games or the gaming scene.

I've seen this referenced many times in the GG posts I've read. I would definitely like to know what they're referencing.

Go to Jonathan McIntosh's twitter page @radicalbytes
And scroll down
And laugh.

It's not a very exciting story.

Super depressed kid is able to talk to people with shared interests as equals and without the social stigma of being drastically physically different. That some people decided to use an excuse to bully someone to the brink.

That and don't underestimate the power of knowing that people rely on you for something, even something as stupid as tanking in an MMO static.

Wow. That's like the nods-respectfully guy except he never stops.

There is a mod or someone who keeps deleting this image from the gallery every time I post it:

I have not received any notification nor communication regarding it, and I don't think it violates any of KYM's ToS. This image is highly relevant as this fallacy was only named and acknowledged in the wake of gamergate discussion. Is there a glitch going on, or do I have a mod targeting me? If the latter is true, what do you guys think I should do?

Explain in detail how you go about uploading it. Perhaps we can help. Or perhaps we won't because we've all slept with Zoe Quinn, and are also a shadowy illuminati conspiring to take away all of your vidya and replace it with transvidya game-positive computer programs.

See, Poe's law makes me wonder whether you're genuinely trying to help me with this and made a little quip, or you're mocking me. I'm going to (tentatively) go with you trying to help me. I just copy the image URL from the tumblr source into the box and post and add the tags, title, notes and all that before posting it. Perhaps saving the image to my computer and uploading it directly from there could help?

Do you have evidence that this is related to GamerGate and that its origin is GamerGate? If not, then it's probably removed for being completely unrelated and having no direct connection to GamerGate.

You can't exactly tell it's related to Gamergate just by seeing it.

It was both.
From your description, I can't imagine you're doing anything to cause the image to fail to upload. So it's probably what RM said.

I admit that without context it does seem rather unrelated, but in light of the current context and the fact it's been established because of gamergate; One of the most common ways to denounce the movement is through Jo-tun's law, and I'd say that makes it fairly relevant. If standards dictate that this image does not belong in the gallery, then surely most of those Sarkeesian pictures don't belong either, or Mcintosh pictures without an explicit mention of gamergate, or even some of the recontextualized but unedited comics. I don't understand why these images are not being taken down, but mine is (But that's assuming that it IS in fact the work of a mod.)

Edit: Uploaded the image directly from my computer. Hasn't disappeared just yet. Maybe it was just a problem with the URL.

I don’t understand why these images are not being taken down, but mine is (But that’s assuming that it IS in fact the work of a mod.)

Because we are not almighty, we don't live exclusively to clean the GG gallery.

If you think an image should go in another gallery or should be deleted, then say it. We have an Image Cleaning thread so users can request those kind of stuff.

If you still want to talk about this, do it in the thread I posted. Let's not derail this thread with a non-related discussion.

After a small time researching on google, i've come across 2 websites mentioning this JuTon's Law: Reddit and a blog. Both from October 2014.
Who coined that law? Was it linked to Gamergate in some way?
Is this the origin?

Yup. I wrote a page about him here, which the IRC crowd has already noticed. (And, unlike a certain page, the subject of the article actually has search interest!)

I need to do a lot more reading about Gamergate, but I agree in theory about what a lot of gamers are saying. Its unfortunate that the minority of them have to resort to attacking people, and making gamers in general look like angry, backwards, basement dwellers. It does nothing but take away the attention of what some gamers want to talk about (ethics in game journalism) and makes us all look like misogynistic pieces of shit.

So I just finished a long-ass letter to Jason Schreier to test out if this guy really cares ebout so-called ethics

I will be honest, given my take of this from the Quinnspiracy till now, it is very hard to pin this on any GGers. I will elaborate, but there are a lot of evidence point to either third party troll or anti GG doing that most of the time.

GGers had been upfront about playing honorably even if the opponent resort to underhanded tactics, and beside, wouldn't use underhanded tactics basically invalidate the cause?

To tell you the truth I was actually pro gamergate at first, i would post pro-gg pics in the comments and shit, but slowly over time i just left the movement. Because to tell you the truth a lot of you guys take this way to seriously.

The desperation you're showing in looking for excuses on why something pro-GG should deserve an entry but something anti-GG does not is just clear evidence of your bias.

You saw my comment on the Ethics page, a page you claimed to have no spread and isn't entry worthy. So as the OP of the McIntosh page, explain to me why your entry has legit spread and is worthy of an entry while also explaining why the ethics page doesn't have enough spread.

Just the difference in Search Interest isn't going to convince me, because Search Interest only shows the google results based on text and a meme that makes use of image macros is of course getting less resuls because Google can't read images.

And here comes the oppression olympics for meme entries…
Guys, don't fight over this please. Both articles are worthy of being on KYM. Period.

My request is merely curiousity over opinions that I believe are influenced by heavy bias. I believe both entries are valid, and don't wish to take any down. I don't think my post has any aim at claiming one is invalid, so please don't go assume things.

Cthulhu was one of the people against the Ethics page, yet made one for McIntosh. I would simply like to hear his defense over this.

So I saw Mike's video about Fallacies and at the end he was denouncing the Gamergate movement.

Actually, that made me quite sad he decided to remain hands off about it. He was the one person who I thought could have looked outside the box and have found a solution for both sides. Him and Extra Credits both.

It was all entertaining at first, but quite honestly… I'm sick of the war. I wish it would be resolved soon.

I found it amusing that both of those are supposed to be rational and well versed or whatever decided to drink the Kool Aids. And double funny in case of Mike given that his video was about fallacies, and GG was getting tarred with fallacious arguments.

Bomb is dropping though. Bomb is dropping. If it does what it supposed to do….oh boy.

I saw that there were 2 different time lines dedicated to corruption in game journalism.
The Dirty History of Games Journalism and something else. Can I get a link to that other timeline so I can bookmark it?
I'm not talking about the The GamerGate Chronicles either.

Just when shits couldn't get any realer, now the REAL ANONYMOUS decided to join in the fight by condemned OpGamerGate and gonna weed out the third party trolls.

Hi.

I heard the Based Lawyer found about someone trying to Copyright the name Gamergate.
This one. It was a day ago and I thought if there was any updates if they managed to stop it or not? I'm concerned.

@K4KING

1) You don't copyright a word, you trademark it

2) The USPTO would almost assuredly reject a trademark application for the word both because its gaming usage is basically a proper noun now and because it's also the name of an ant.

3) In the event a trademark was successful there'd be jack shit that the owner could do. The 1st Amendment trumps the Lehman Trademark Act and trademark infringement can only occur if you're selling something and attempting to confuse consumers. In other words, "Gamergate" the trademark would apply to a specific product. The owner would be laughed out of court for trying to sue Twitter or KYM or whatever just as Coca Cola would for people using their trademark in everyday conversation.

Well that's re-assuring. I know nothing when ti comes to trademarking or CPing. Glad to be informed. I appreciate it.

I was thinking about why people would side with the antis if they have no presence in video games like Chris-chan or Comics Alliance. What do these people gain if GamerGate fails?

They get recruited because they want to be funny and the media is portraying gamers as an acceptable target. You only know what you can find and observe. These people don't play games (Chris-chan does but its pretty clear he's not very good at them and just buys them due to OCD) and don't really research or know anything. It's equivalent to people throwing random derogatory remarks at a celebrity for his/her latest failing. They gain nothing if gamergate fails in fact they open themselves up to more censorship. All it takes is for the bigotry to be directed at them and…

Okay, first off, since I don't know most of the gamergate people that are here. Hello.

Second. I am not very familiar with all the details that is happening with this whole internet debacle between GG and the SJW, but I do know enough.

Third, I found out that some people of the SJW are trying to get their grips on traditional games as well as video games, I am mainly speaking of Games Workshop, the creators of Warhammer 40000 and Warhammer Fantasy, complaining on how women do not get enough representation and all of that usual bullshit.

As a tabletop gamer and hobbyist for over 12 years, the last thing I want is these cancerous people of the SJW to not get their fucking hands on the hobbies I love. If people can do more research onto this and inform me on any findings I would really appreciate it.