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Aloha from Hawaii. I was actually able to see the debate tonight. Here's what I saw:

  • Biden got BTFO by Harris
  • Williamson, who entered the debate with no one knowing who she was, is leaving with newfound supporters
  • Sanders and Buttigieg keeping a steady head while under attack
  • Yang got shafted harder than Tulsi Gabbard did last night
  • Bennet and Gillibrand have nice voices, and the latter actually sounded like she knew what she was doing

Not really a fan of how this one turned out in terms of preferences and predictions, but entertaining still.

Over 9000 get! Dammit

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copy/paste from discord

I do wish bernie would have brought something new. Its good that he has been consistent for the past 30+ years, but he really needs to adapt his policy ideas to modern america
harris did a great job and humanizing her policies
bernie has a harder job of being personally relatable I think
he doesn't ever talk about his or others experiences like harris did

I don't really see bernie gaining support. I think him and biden are at their ceiling. Warren and harris will 100% see a boost in polls.

Yang did get shafted, yes, but the little time he did have I wasn't too impressed. he wasn't a great speaker tbh. Harris was my 4th pick, with yang at 2nd, but now they have switched.

edit; We still got ~450 days of this left.

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Black Graphic T wrote:

Kamala Harris the pro-prison candidate?

Yep the biggest pro-prison the Democrats ever had in ages, and she is perhaps even MORE anti-weed than President Trump is. I wouldn't be surprised she would give you 30 days for jay walking and bring back the stockades.

My quick thoughts on how some of the candidates did, sorted by tiers:

A tier

Buttigieg was incredibly articulate as expected. He was on message, on tone, and I don't recall him messing up or stuttering even once.

Harris, while I'm not a fan of hers and I don't think she was amazing overall, scored by far the most dramatic moment of the debates with the Biden confrontation. The fact that it was against the frontrunner and her own worst rival (Biden is a centrist-y candidatewho is popular with black voters) was almost too good to be true.

Williamson was absolutely hilarious. I think she'd be a terrible president but she just oozed oldschool hippie charisma and I loved listening to her. I expected worse than nothing from her and was pleasantly surprised. Just my opinion tho.


B tier

Warren gave a solid performance. I don't think debates of this sort are her strong suit but she came out looking like she deserved to be a frontrunner, which is good enough.

Gabbard got a bad deal with speaking time, but managed to articulate her anti-interventionist message and didn't mess up anywhere.

Gillibrand overperformed my expectations, coming off as stern and wonky, like a younger and more charismatic Clinton.

Delaney looked like a grumpy boomer telling off a bunch of kids. It was pretty great compared to his opponents who all seemed tonally identical. He provided a good foil for Warren, especially with his point about hospital closures.

Castro has a really weird face. Reminds me of Cruz. Spoke pretty well though.

Biden is going to be polarizing. The people I watched the debates with mostly thought he had come out the big loser. I'd argue otherwise. The Harris scuffle hurt him, but outside of that I think he was a forceful advocate for his own legislative accomplishments. He managed to take up a lot of room and was more memorable than I expected him to be.


C tier

I like O'Rourke and I thought he was affable enough, but he didn't do a great job and using Spanish was a mistake.

Sanders' big challenge was to distinguish himself as the most left-wing candidate. This was easy when his only serious opponent was Clinton. This time his influence spawned a dozen candidates willing to imitate his rhetoric. There's no doubt that he is still legitimately the most leftist candidate, but this debate format is about rhetoric and his rivals sucked most of the oxygen out of the air. His qiestion-dodging was painful to watch and the middling applause he got makes me think it might be over for him unless he (god forbid) further sharpens his rhetoric.

Hickenlooper did his duty and criticized socialism without really standing out.


D tier

Yang Gang is over guys. I wanted to believe, but he's not gonna be able to break out of 1% polling. He didn't try to take up space, he gave answers succinctly and directly, and he waited his turn--in other words, his lack of political experience was extremely obvious. In a business or academic sphere he might be rewarded for his behavior, but not here.

Ryan looked like Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush, and the Just Fuck My Shit Up Fam meme rolled into one. I couldn't focus on what he was saying because he was so off-putting.

Swalwell kept making failed joke attempts while not really saying anything interesting.

If I missed anyone it's because I didn't get a strong impression of them.

wtf is wrong with Carlson? First he calls booker one of the "whitest people on stage", and then he gets into a hissy fit over two people speaking spanish??

Biden did take a serious hit, but there is still time for him to recover and stay on top for awhile. But In the end, I don't think Biden will be the final pick. However, I want to see Warren Vs. Harris by themselves on the debate stage.

Team Arkos wrote:

Oh god, it has come full circle now. Move over veggie burger, here comes the Meaty veggies.

Arby's are now selling meat based plants.

That's the stupidest idea I've ever heard. For people trying yo go on diets for allergenic reasons, weight loss, etc, non-meat products fill a niche of giving them more choices to eat.

So what the fuck niche does a Carrot shaper Meat stick serve? Other then just "lol vegans suck" it's a waste of money and a waste of time, and just something dumb Americans can joke about when saying they "eat healthy" before getting their third heart attack and bypass.

And the Award for the most tone-deaf joke goes to President Trump, for joking about how they should 'get rid' of journalists with Vladimir Putin.

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Donald Trump joked with Russian President Vladimir Putin that they should “get rid” of journalists as they met in public at the G-20 conference of world leaders in Osaka, Japan. Indicating toward the journalists in the room, Trump said, “Get rid of them. Fake news is a great term, isn’t it? You don’t have this problem in Russia but we do.” Putin responded, in English: “We also have. It’s the same.” It has been reported that 21 journalists have been killed in Russia since Putin came to power in March 2000. Trump’s remarks come a year to the day that a gunman killed five people at the Annapolis Capital-Gazette in Maryland.

Black Graphic T wrote:

And the Award for the most tone-deaf joke goes to President Trump, for joking about how they should 'get rid' of journalists with Vladimir Putin.

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Donald Trump joked with Russian President Vladimir Putin that they should “get rid” of journalists as they met in public at the G-20 conference of world leaders in Osaka, Japan. Indicating toward the journalists in the room, Trump said, “Get rid of them. Fake news is a great term, isn’t it? You don’t have this problem in Russia but we do.” Putin responded, in English: “We also have. It’s the same.” It has been reported that 21 journalists have been killed in Russia since Putin came to power in March 2000. Trump’s remarks come a year to the day that a gunman killed five people at the Annapolis Capital-Gazette in Maryland.

It's almost as if these two want to destroy democratic values, like a free & independent press.

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BrentD15 wrote:

It's almost as if these two want to destroy democratic values, like a free & independent press.

Ahem.

President Trump is trolling you and you are taking the bait hook line and sinker.

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poochyena wrote:

>President Trump is trolling you and you are taking the bait hook line and sinker.

What is the correct respond to it then?

realize he is baiting you and not go off about it. Obama did pretty much the same thing and got a lower key reaction from the right, yet history repeats itself the left goes and slaps it up on the headlines.

Team Arkos wrote:

Ahem.

President Trump is trolling you and you are taking the bait hook line and sinker.

"I want to kill people who don't agree with me."

"Ha ha you fell for my clever ruse. Take that, libtards."

Yeah. Real funny. Absolutely hilarious. You sure you don't got brain damage?

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Team Arkos wrote:

realize he is baiting you and not go off about it. Obama did pretty much the same thing and got a lower key reaction from the right, yet history repeats itself the left goes and slaps it up on the headlines.

So… Literally just ignore anything bad trump says? Why don't you do be sane with aoc?

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poochyena wrote:

So… Literally just ignore anything bad trump says? Why don't you do be sane with aoc?

You know you can "anything bad Trump say " by "everything Trump say" and you will still be correct.

Like, when your entire defense boils down to

And with a dash of,

And a fine sprinkling of.

Then I think you really need to re-evaluate your strategies.

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Black Graphic T wrote:

Like, when your entire defense boils down to

And with a dash of,

And a fine sprinkling of.

Then I think you really need to re-evaluate your strategies.

I guess I do. Because it seems that I have to talk downward to you idiots who JUST WON'T GET IT! You lefties here are so full of bile, blind hatred, lack of of any real humor or even an open mind to think how others view things. I have posted vids and links often to many of my posts and most of you act like you never even read or watch any of it.

If it wasn't for Chewybunny and me who try to present another side to things, this place would turn into a leftist / damn near antifa circle jerk. What is the point of debating you if you still think Russia had any affect on the last election. If President Trump can do no right and in your mind he is the living anti-christ, there is no reasoning with you anymore.

You want to know why I am so upset with you leftist tonight, it's THIS!

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/milkshaking#andy-ngo-assaulted-by-antifa

https://twitter.com/Jimryan015/status/1145067852375851008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1145067852375851008&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fpolitics%2F2019%2F06%2F29%2Fjournalist-andy-ngo-assaulted-by-antifa-protestors-in-portland%2F

The left is becoming the real threat here, but I doubt that any of you will change your positions upon seeing this.

Team Arkos wrote:

I guess I do. Because it seems that I have to talk downward to you idiots who JUST WON'T GET IT! You lefties here are so full of bile, blind hatred, lack of of any real humor or even an open mind to think how others view things. I have posted vids and links often to many of my posts and most of you act like you never even read or watch any of it.

If it wasn't for Chewybunny and me who try to present another side to things, this place would turn into a leftist / damn near antifa circle jerk. What is the point of debating you if you still think Russia had any affect on the last election. If President Trump can do no right and in your mind he is the living anti-christ, there is no reasoning with you anymore.

You want to know why I am so upset with you leftist tonight, it's THIS!

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/milkshaking#andy-ngo-assaulted-by-antifa

https://twitter.com/Jimryan015/status/1145067852375851008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1145067852375851008&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fpolitics%2F2019%2F06%2F29%2Fjournalist-andy-ngo-assaulted-by-antifa-protestors-in-portland%2F

The left is becoming the real threat here, but I doubt that any of you will change your positions upon seeing this.

You and I have been on the side side of things until a month ago you dumb fuck. You really are such a cunt when it comes to politics, you know that? You're so drunk on the fucking red koolaid that you can't handle someone not agreeing with you on a couple issues, one of them being the objective fact that Trump is a Cunt and runs the white house like the Bitchy Side of Twitter.

I'm an Antifa circle jerker. Really nigga? You gonna pull that shit on me when I've butted heads with Poochyena and Brent about how morally dubious to downright god awful Antifa is? You gonna pull the "leftist" card on me because you're too busy sucking the orange dick to admit he's fucking up on his policies and generally making an ass of himself almost daily?

You are pretty much as bad as Adegenratefurry. You're only buddy buddy with folks on here till they criticize your party and then suddenly it's a haven of socialism. Go fuck yourself back to R/theDonald if you can't handle someone who can appreciate when either party makes a good or bad point.

Black Graphic T wrote:

You and I have been on the side side of things until a month ago you dumb fuck. You really are such a cunt when it comes to politics, you know that? You're so drunk on the fucking red koolaid that you can't handle someone not agreeing with you on a couple issues, one of them being the objective fact that Trump is a Cunt and runs the white house like the Bitchy Side of Twitter.

I'm an Antifa circle jerker. Really nigga? You gonna pull that shit on me when I've butted heads with Poochyena and Brent about how morally dubious to downright god awful Antifa is? You gonna pull the "leftist" card on me because you're too busy sucking the orange dick to admit he's fucking up on his policies and generally making an ass of himself almost daily?

You are pretty much as bad as Adegenratefurry. You're only buddy buddy with folks on here till they criticize your party and then suddenly it's a haven of socialism. Go fuck yourself back to R/theDonald if you can't handle someone who can appreciate when either party makes a good or bad point.

Indeed.

Black Graphic T wrote:

You and I have been on the side side of things until a month ago you dumb fuck. You really are such a cunt when it comes to politics, you know that? You're so drunk on the fucking red koolaid that you can't handle someone not agreeing with you on a couple issues, one of them being the objective fact that Trump is a Cunt and runs the white house like the Bitchy Side of Twitter.

I'm an Antifa circle jerker. Really nigga? You gonna pull that shit on me when I've butted heads with Poochyena and Brent about how morally dubious to downright god awful Antifa is? You gonna pull the "leftist" card on me because you're too busy sucking the orange dick to admit he's fucking up on his policies and generally making an ass of himself almost daily?

You are pretty much as bad as Adegenratefurry. You're only buddy buddy with folks on here till they criticize your party and then suddenly it's a haven of socialism. Go fuck yourself back to R/theDonald if you can't handle someone who can appreciate when either party makes a good or bad point.


wow

Black Graphic T wrote:

You and I have been on the side side of things until a month ago you dumb fuck. You really are such a cunt when it comes to politics, you know that? You're so drunk on the fucking red koolaid that you can't handle someone not agreeing with you on a couple issues, one of them being the objective fact that Trump is a Cunt and runs the white house like the Bitchy Side of Twitter.

I'm an Antifa circle jerker. Really nigga? You gonna pull that shit on me when I've butted heads with Poochyena and Brent about how morally dubious to downright god awful Antifa is? You gonna pull the "leftist" card on me because you're too busy sucking the orange dick to admit he's fucking up on his policies and generally making an ass of himself almost daily?

You are pretty much as bad as Adegenratefurry. You're only buddy buddy with folks on here till they criticize your party and then suddenly it's a haven of socialism. Go fuck yourself back to R/theDonald if you can't handle someone who can appreciate when either party makes a good or bad point.

Alright, I did step over a line bit there and I was too angry last night. Seeing Andy Ngo get beaten and burned just sent me over the edge. I shouldn't have yelled at ya BGT, but it happened. I need a break from this place, it's stressing me out too much.

Sorry man.

Doens't change the fact that you'r a judgemntaly douchebag who follow blindly what ever thing that poor excuse of human being of Trump will say.

Canadian Cartoonist Michael de Adder was terminated from his job in New Brunswick after depicting Donald Trump standing over the bodies of drowned migrants, Óscar Alberto Martínez Ramírez and his daughter Valeria (NSFW).

Discuss what's happening here, discuss something else, or attempt to salvage whatever was happening before, but a reminder to each and every one of you that incivility will cost you a warning or suspension.

Freakenstein wrote:

Canadian Cartoonist Michael de Adder was terminated from his job in New Brunswick after depicting Donald Trump standing over the bodies of drowned migrants, Óscar Alberto Martínez Ramírez and his daughter Valeria (NSFW).

Discuss what's happening here, discuss something else, or attempt to salvage whatever was happening before, but a reminder to each and every one of you that incivility will cost you a warning or suspension.

What's the point of a political thread if "incivility" isn't allowed? It's not politics unless someone's flinging shit.

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

What's the point of a political thread if "incivility" isn't allowed? It's not politics unless someone's flinging shit.

Your choice, your consequences.

A REmIndER TO eAcH aNd EvErY oNE of YOU tHat INcIvIlItY WIlL cosT YOU a wArNinG OR SUsPENSiOn.

Stfu dude, every time the mods chase away another user the forums lose like 10% of whatever activity it has left.


Anyway check this out, is this the most ambitious crossover event in history or what


https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2019/06/30/soros-and-koch-brothers-team-end-forever-war-policy/WhyENwjhG0vfo9Um6Zl0JO/sto

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Sorry for the late reply, @Ryumaru Borike

>Because the reason that state is dominated by one party is because the people of that state voted for that!

Let's just take the Governor, Kate Brown as an example. Kate Brown won the governorship with a 50% vote. Half of the people that did vote, voted for her. Just half. She doesn't represent that half, she represents the entirety of Oregon. She is a governor of the entire state, not just the Democrats. Break down Oregon county-level voting, and you'll see that only 3 counties are solidly blue (Portland metro area), with a few more that are light blue, and the majority are Red.

Effectively, it isn't representational of the counties and the people that live in those counties that didn't vote for her to have her and the one-party rule of Oregon legislate laws that existentially damning to them. That is tyranny of the entire state of Oregon, by a few, but population dense, areas.

>Almost like how the government is supposed to work. Everyone can't get what they want, so we pass what most people want.

Our state government is a smaller form of our federal government, which at it's core is a union of states. That is, our representation has more to do with geography than it does with population density. This is why political power is NOT distributed equally – and why some states, that may be smaller in population, have political power that is inflated. You're right, everyone can't get what they want, so they pass what most people want. But this isn't most people. And if this bill was put up to a popular vote, as the Republicans wanted it would have most likely failed.

> What's the point of a democracy when a few people can decide our votes don't matter? How is that excusable?

Tell that to the 50% of the people that did not vote for the Governor. The bill was destructive to half of the state. I don't recall them threatening violence. But how is it excusable? They are there to represent the interests of the people that were the most affected by the bill, and a large percentage of that group of people did not vote for the Democrats to rule over them like tyrants. That is what good statesmanship is about. It's not about following protocol and bureaucratic rules, it's about fighting for the people that voted you in.

>The fact that a few politicians can, at any time the want, decide that Government is no longer a democracy and that laws will not pass until they personally decide to let them is fucking atrocious.

If those laws are particularly harmful, tyrannical, or destructive to the people then who gives a shit if it's a democracy or not. Just because you voted in a tyranny doesn't erase the fact that it's a damn tyranny. And if you have a bill that is so ridiculously one sided and destructive to so many people in the state, how is that not tyrannical?

>Yes, how dare they try to pass a law that clearly the majority of the state supports.

Except it probably doesn't. The Republicans wanted the bill to be put up to the peoples' vote. Presumably because the fact of the matter was that if the people voted on it it wouldn't have passed. This isn't the majority of the state supporting a law. It's just a handful of politicians from one party.

>They're not heroes, not by a long shot. They denied the people of Oregon their democratic process and abandoned their civil duty.

They are heroes for standing up for their constituents that would have been horribly hurt by this law. They didn't deny the people of Oregon anything. The Republicans wanted the people of Oregon to vote on it, not a handful of politicians.

> I don't think I've ever been this upset over something political, ever.

Try to think of the spirit of what our government is supposed to do. What is the point of a so called democracy if the will of the small majority get's to enact laws that do not at all take into consideration the well being or the demands of the minority? Is it more important that someone who won 55% of the vote get's to dictate the law of the land for 100% of the people? Or is it more important that the person who won 55% of the votes attempts to create and pass laws that maximizes benefits (or costs) to all?

Particle Mare wrote:

A REmIndER TO eAcH aNd EvErY oNE of YOU tHat INcIvIlItY WIlL cosT YOU a wArNinG OR SUsPENSiOn.

Stfu dude, every time the mods chase away another user the forums lose like 10% of whatever activity it has left.


Anyway check this out, is this the most ambitious crossover event in history or what


https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2019/06/30/soros-and-koch-brothers-team-end-forever-war-policy/WhyENwjhG0vfo9Um6Zl0JO/sto

Nixon meeting Elvis is and will always be the most ambitious crossover

Been quiet here ever since Black Graphic T murdered team arkos. Its also been around a month since YHBF posted. Guess that person is ded too.
We need a new regular crazy politics user now.

poochyena wrote:

Been quiet here ever since Black Graphic T murdered team arkos. Its also been around a month since YHBF posted. Guess that person is ded too.
We need a new regular crazy politics user now.

Or just stick to the topic and let it burn like responsible adults.

poochyena wrote:

Been quiet here ever since Black Graphic T murdered team arkos. Its also been around a month since YHBF posted. Guess that person is ded too.
We need a new regular crazy politics user now.

Nah, he didn't murder me, but in a fit of rage i did say things I didn't mean to say at him and he didn't deserve to get. That was on me and I accept I messed up badly. I do need a break from this forum and that is all I will say for now. I'm not leaving KYM anytime soon btw.

Pretty much taking a break as well. After getting worked up so much I'd like to simmer down and come back when i can laugh about current events.

Him saying that the revolutionary army seized airports in 1776 was a pretty good laugh though. Regardless of politics, I would hope people could get a good chuckle out of it.

Black Graphic T wrote:

Him saying that the revolutionary army seized airports in 1776 was a pretty good laugh though. Regardless of politics, I would hope people could get a good chuckle out of it.

The whole point of that parade was to turn it into a political ad.

But yeah, people got some laughs out of the Revolutionary War Airports mistake.

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