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In news that is, perhaps, worrying for the freedom of the press: the founder of the controversial guerilla journalism organization, Project Veritas, was raided by the FBI in search for a diary. Ashley Biden's, specifically, which was stolen around this time last year. It was apparently briefly in his possession before he passed it along to the authorities (though many pages of it have been leaked online). A couple other members of the organization were also raided.

Of note, the New York Times, who had lost a defamation suit against Project Veritas earlier this year, seems to have suspicious levels of information about this case, from knowing about raids within the hour to getting their hands on internal documents "somehow".

https://www.businessinsider.com/project-veritas-james-okeefe-fbi-search-missing-biden-diary-2021-11
https://reason.com/2021/11/11/james-okeefe-fbi-raid-project-veritas-biden-diary/

I don't know what's worse, the fact that republicans are this retarded or the fact that democrats are retarded enough to lose any election to them.

The U.S. has been at war with journalism certainly long since before Assange so it should come to no surprise that they will use any excuse to raid a journo org that is not either embedded with ex-spooks/retired glowies or adhering to "correct" executive narratives.

Interesting of note is that this seems to lend credence to the validity of the dairy itself as a real thing with genuine information harmful to the president (and thus can be construed as a threat to national security). Though an alternative could be someone close to the Biden family (or at least Ashley Biden) was the source that provided the diary so the Feds are desperately trying to weed out who it is.

I know right? You had to basically go out of your way to lose to Trump yet Hillary somehow did.

No but seriously its another level of mental illness to make fucking Sesame Street your new mortal enemy.

Gotta scare your flying monkeys into voting for you I guess

Socializing healthcare also means socializing the costs, which also means socializing the liabilities.

The obesity epidemic is the 1 issue that is going to destroy any realistic universal healthcare scheme in the US. Much of my family works in healthcare (something I actively avoided), but I have horror stories to tell regarding the cost of things. My dad's a medical biller, I've seen how utterly corrupt the whole system is, and despite being fairly Libertarian on most issues (some I'm hardcore radical on such as marriage), the way the US system works is utterly batshit crazy. It's a horrendously patchworked system of socialized medicine for people who are older, insurance industries which negotiate better prices for their customers, and the shit-out-luck uninsured who have to pay the actual prices. It desperately needs an overhaul. ​

Opium epidemic, the addiction to pills for everything. Not to mention the sheer bureaucratic red tape, and litigation laws, in even manufacturing new medicines. This is something people don't get, but the US is responsible for almost 45% of all healthcare innovation in the WORLD. The average cost of putting a new pill on the marketplace is ridiculously prohibitive.

Did you know that there is an artificial limit to how many new doctors and nurses can be licensed each year? Did you know that in many states nurses, who are trained, and skilled in certain medical procedures, cannot by LAW practice those medical procedures? Did you know that Doctors in general, as a profession, pay the highest taxes? That the current paradigm of medical education is horribly flawed?

It's not just "who pays for it" – which, to me, seems like the only talking point in politics regarding healthcare. If you want a realistic universal healthcare system, you have to go and upturn everything, from the way nurses/ doctors are licensed and educated, the way we deal with medicine, cultural shifts, societal shifts.

I want a universal healthcare system, but it would require Americans having to get used to a hell of a lot of uncomfortable realities. Some of which would be accepting that you do not have a right to healthcare, that the healthcare system is no longer obligated (as it currently is) to treat you. That the rich will not pay for this, which is the most disingenuous and terrible political marketing ploy to get people to sign up for Universal Healthcare. That everyone will be far more liable for their health.

On top of that it would require massive efficiency overhaul of our bureaucratic government. It would require trust from ordinary folks about government funded services. It would require them to accept the fact that "yeah, you know, you've spent your whole life eating like a fat pig and you are morbidly obese, so maybe the state will not pay for your triple bi pass so you would continue eating a pizza for a snack.". Harsh? Yes. But it's a reality.

Kraut makes good videos. The one he did on healthcare raises excellent points. His conclusion is that if a healthcare system was implemented in the US it ought to be states or regional, but not federal, due to the radically different healthcare needs around the country. And he's right.

I know it's a black pill, but it is a black pill that needs to be swallowed before we start seriously discussing healthcare in this country.

As far as political youtube, I try to avoid it more and more as I get horribly frustrated as how myopic so many of their positions are.
It's not enough to watch TYT, and then Ben Shapiro and conclude that somewhere in between is there truth. The problem is that they often don't see larger bigger picture stuff, and whenever they go that direction it comes off as conspiratorial.

I watch Tim Pool sometimes though I am increasingly hostile to his takes, especially recently bitching about people not rising up to fight these tyrannies. And bemoaning them for having the audacity to say "I literally cannot risk my life, livelihood, for a political cause when I have a house to pay for, a wife and kids to feed". Fuck off, Timmy. What have you done? What protest have you been to lately? What cause did you risk everything for? Guy comes off as an arm-chair activist leading the troops from behind urging them to throw themselves to posit change, while he get's to live his comfortable life on a chicken ranch. Styx I have a better view off in terms of at least providing a better analysis of the situation, but I kind of have a dislike for a lot of things he constantly get's wrong on and never acknowledges.

Most YouTube stuff I listen to is on either finances (Minority Mindset is a good one), Geopolitics (Caspian Report), and History (whatifalthist is one of my favorites). I also am a big fan of podcasts – i like Joe Rogan's podcast, I really like Lex Fridman's podcast, and I really like Eric Weinstein's short lived podcast and in general I like Eric Weinstein's takes on a lot of issues. I strongly strongly recommend checking out "The Dark Secret Place" podcast, but it is $5 a month subscription. The guy who runs it is Bryan Suits, who used to be on the local radio but as of August went his own way. His podcast and show is probably my number one destination in understanding the world.

"Styx I have a better view off in terms of at least providing a better analysis of the situation, but I kind of have a dislike for a lot of things he constantly get's wrong on and never acknowledges."

Could you be specific?

Hard ask, because it's been a long time since I watched any of his videos, however a few sticking points rubbed me the wrong way: His stance on Jews and Israel in particular – which, of course, being one, I kind of go "hmm" about, and admittedly am sensitive about. Specifically, his issues with the Holocaust, and referring to Israel as "rogue nuclear state". Criticize Israel all you want, I do it too, but calling it a "rogue nuclear state"? And engaging with holocaust revisionism in terms of the use of zyklon gas at Auschwitz? Regardless, I think, of all the myriad of "right wing adjacent" youtubers, I think his domestic analysis tends to be much better than anyone. I was very impressed at how he handled himself in a debate with Richard Spencer, who jesus christ was and is, an absolute clown.

The thing is, I feel like he's one of those types that would sit down with you and listen and actually change his views if he found sufficient evidence for it. I actually would love to have a convo with him on everything from occultism (I think this is one of his strongest realms of knowledge), to history and geopolitics.

This reminded me. Of all the "right wing" or "dissident right" youtubers I found the most interesting was The Distirbutist. While I may disagree with him, the guy makes an extremely compelling arguments, and is an absolutely good person to talk to, which I did several times on Discord and in a YouTube stream.

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I forgot to add to previous point. I am a huge fan of Michael Malice. I found his work on North Korea incredibly profound and tragic, his stance on Anarchism extremely refreshing, his deep dives into the modern alt right to be far more accurate than what the media portrays, and he makes a compelling case of pointing out the real enemies of people.

"I want a universal healthcare system, but it would require Americans having to get used to a hell of a lot of uncomfortable realities. Some of which would be accepting that you do not have a right to healthcare, that the healthcare system is no longer obligated (as it currently is) to treat you. That the rich will not pay for this, which is the most disingenuous and terrible political marketing ploy to get people to sign up for Universal Healthcare. That everyone will be far more liable for their health."

Or
we could force the rich to pay for it, and healthcare is a human right

I agree with you on the fact that if people abuse themselves they should not get it for free, barring mental illness

most of the issues you've brought up come from the fact that we allow corporations to sell pills and run hospitals

No, you support oligarchs who do a shitty job at hiding the fact that they're oligarchs. Republicans support oligarchs too, but because Trump and co., they do a decent job at hiding it. But sure, keep making excuses for your shitty political beliefs, you neoliberal trash.

The rich will not pay for it. This is an absolutely disingenuous argument to make, which no other country utilizes. You could force them all you want, they simply won't. Not because they are going to do all that amount of resistance to it (they certainly will), but there is no realistic tax rate that can be levied that would make it cost neutral. When you're deficit is so large that cutting the entirety of the military will not bring you into the green you have a serious problem. You're asking to stack an addition 1.5T-3T a year and expect the 1% to take on the majority of that tax burden? The only way to make it cost effective is to rehaul the entire system, on a massive social scale.

Brüh. As of 2014 there are 5,686 hospitals in the US. Of that total, 2,904 are public hospitals, and 1,060 are private. Public hospitals had about 33.6 million admissions annually while private hospitals had about 1.8 million admissions annually.

The biggest problems I think is just the patchwork system we have. Insurance is a major example: If a hospital bills you $500 for a service, the insurance company will negotiate it far lower, sometimes to 20% of the cost. The medical system knows that 91.4% of all Americans have health insurance, so it knows that most likely, 9/10 times it's going to be negotiating with an insurance company, not you. According to recent data from the Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF), almost half of all Americans have employer-sponsored insurance.

The real problems come to those 9% of Americans who do not have insurance. That's when the hospital bills them $500 and expects them to pay for it. This is why Obama's whole healthcare scheme, the ACA, was built around…providing affordable insurance. The whole thing was lobbied from beginning by Insurance companies, not big pharma.

Another problem, as I see it, is there is a mixed market system. If you have Medicare or Medicaid the government will pay for your medical treatments. So here's some statistics. 46% of all hospital volume is Medicare patients. 16% Medicaid. 63.9% of Hospitals lose money on Medicare patients. Even the most efficient hospitals average a -2% on medicare patients. This is because government sets the prices so low that it is hard for Hospitals to operate on them alone. I'm not going to even mention the problems of when a hospital has to treat a homeless person, or an illegal immigrant, this is a more nuanced issues, but suffice it to say, those two groups literally get free healthcare where hospitals absorb the cost to treat. And by the way, hospitals, by law have to treat emergencies.

So back to the market place. If you are losing money on nearly half of your patient volume, you have to increase the prices on the other half. This puts pressure on the cost of services for those people who can pay. From the perspective of the Hospital, the greater the loss from person A, the greater the cost would be to person B, to make up for the losses. It creates a horrible cycle.

Incidentally, even with incredibly low negotiated prices that the government provides with Medicare and Medicaid, 14% of the US population takes 24% of the entire US federal budget's cost. That's how much it costs our current half-socialized system.

> healthcare is a human right

I would like to try to change you mind on this position. This is not to say that I don't want people to have free healthcare because ideally I do.

In the shortest way possible I can think of, the reason I think healthcare cannot be a human right is it requires accepting slavery.

Basically, because 1) Healthcare is work performed for you by others; 2) because a Human Right cannot be conditionally based on finances (i.e. it must be free), and 3) because you are entitled to your Human Rights,

By assuming Healthcare is a human right, we must conclude that you are entitled to work performed by others for free.

Additionally, because you must be free to exercise you Human Rights, it would be compulsory for a doctor/surgeon/nurse/etc to render medical services to you (else they would be violating your human rights), so by assuming healthcare is a human right, we must conclude you are entitled to compulsory work performed by others for free.

Compulsory work performed for free is slavery.

I think it is better to think of as healthcare as a privilege which ought to be guaranteed by those countries which have the wealth and means to do so. And ideally such countries should since healthy people are happy people and happy people are productive people and productive people are a country's economic engine (at least they are suppose to be cough petrodollar cough ); so it really ought to be in every country's interest to reach a state in which universal healthcare can be applied.

Anyway that's my 10 cents.

I think the USA could use more than two political parties tbh, not that I can claim to be an expert on the USA as I dont live there but…I think it would help make the whole thing less… oligarch heavy idk

You need to cut back hard on the tinfoil, man. They're not "brainwashed", they just disagree with you, and you can't live with that for some ungodly reason.

Though if we are going to go full tilt with this "everyone who disagrees with me is brainwashed!!!" lunacy, it's worth pointing out that most corporate media outlets, most online magazines, and all major social media sites all favor the Democratic party, to varying degrees. For contrast, politics on radio are only relevant to boomers, and even then, only some. So make of this what you will.

Both parties persist by "keeping their voters angry and focused against an 'enemy'". Which is, in fact, exactly the type of behavior you constantly engage in. You got met with hostility for a simple reason: you blindly worship one half of the broken system while demonizing the other half, despite their meaningful differences being few and far between. The first step to stopping the things you hate is to stop embodying them at every turn.

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't you the guy who hates populism? You know, the political belief that's for the people and against the elites? Can you blame me for being hostile?

I'd like to point out that populism can mean a lot of things. It's just getting the people towards something. Sometimes it's a common goal. Sometimes it's to fight the elites. Sometimes it's an ideology. Sometimes it's scapegoating foreigners, or any other common enemy.

Lots of people say they're for 'the people', but like countries called 'democratic republics', names can be deceptive.

I still remember a lot of 'populists' who bayed for policies and wars that ended up being disasters. I remember that a good part of this internet, (including this site, which is why I even got roped into being active) was absolutely rabid during so-called 'populist waves'. A lot of aggro fuckers.
Same thing happened in the Bush Era.

Could anyone blame you or I for hostility? The political climate is a mess.

I may be biased in saying this, but on the specific subject of propaganda:
Fuck Fox News, and their viewers.

During the Bush Era the Republicans had their platform, which I remember they used for their lies in the Iraq War and French Bashing. People were in such a frenzy that only having it blow up made people face the truth that it was moronic from the start.

Brainwashed? Yeah, I'd call that brainwashed.

The American Left lied during the Samuel Paty attack, but the American Right isn't better. For me? They're worse, mainly because one half of the broken system seems to have decided to make me and mine own a recurring target.

To say that they have no influence is a lie, which is exactly the type of uneven assigning of blame that you're reproaching him of. They're both rich and peddling their narratives.

Hmmmm

Keep them angry, keep them engaged, keep them clicking.
That's how the far-right has weaponized the perpetual rage machine of the internet.
The far left has as well, but nowhere near the scale that the right has. That is the reality.

I'd say to beware of going on the 'us versus them' style of thinking, but I do think that's happening.

Culture Wars, Muslims, Christians, Whites, Blacks, Mexicans, Russians, the EU, Canadians, Asians and who knows what else. There's been a cycle of who's the current public enemy. It's how a lot of democracies (particularly the US) seem to operate. It's also how social media seems to function.

With the reveals on Cambridge Analytica and amount of far-right parties who've been active recently, it seems they spent a lot of money on it. With the coup attempts, threats of violence and proposed rhetoric, it's become a threat to democracies.

Brainwashing? I'd say that there are radicalization campaigns going on. The current political climate is one that has been engineered (accidentally or not).

I partially blame left Twitter for this as well far from the main culprits they have helped quite a bit in making politics especially on the internet way way angrier.

Them and 4chan, 4chan help lead to the whole Trump bullshit and that riot in the white house.

Tbh the world would probably a better place without 4chan and twitter

By a vote of 31-29, Wyoming's Republican Party will no longer recognize Liz Cheney as a member of the GOP

Says the wing prone to going burn and pillage on thier own cities.

Can't really keep the high ground on that with what happened on Jan 6th, when 'your side' didn't get their way. Or the 'antivaccine' riots we've had, particularly in Germany where Reichburgers tried to storm the Reichstag.

I think we actually argued about that before. I think the black lives matter riots are ultimately unproductive, while you tried to justify January 6th.

Also, if the pot calls the kettle black, it's still black. Still an overall dangerous political atmosphere for democracies.

It's very easy to maintain the highground when comparing:

June 6:
7 hours long.
5 dead: 2 strokes, one heart attack, one accidental trampling, one unarmed protestor shot by capitol police.
$30 million property damage.

George floyd:
Main event was one month long, technically still on-going.
25 dead: 3 killed in vehical accidents, 4 killed while committing crimes, 3 killed by police/national guard, rest: murders.
$1.5-2.5 billion property damage.

The Right believing they have had an entire election stolen still produces a reaction whose violence is massively dwarfed by the Left's reaction to the death of one man, yet he would call the Left the lesser in weaponized rage.

What a disconnect from reality. The only thing lesser is their ability to turn the rage they foster towards anything of substance, good for nothing but self destruction.

Yeah BLM quickly got out of hand, like really out of hand.

But still I mean a riot is a riot I ain't really with any side on this, I am sick of the riots being done so willy nilly regardless of the side at this point.

I don't want terrorism/pseudoterrorism to be normalized the world has enough problems as it is

The telling part is the targets; the Right when aroused attacks the highest halls of power, the Left when aroused attacks the local high street.

Of course it wasnt always so: once upon a time they took thier greivances to wallstreet. They have since proven easily domesticated.

These riots are consequences of the system's failure to fight inequality and injustice. Institutions are rigged against their favor in their eyes. The longer it stays rigged, the more they'll keep happening.

My point was that you defended January 6th, among others. Nothing was learned, and viewing your analysis for the reason, the American Right learned nothing. They'll probably do it again.

I didn't say lesser. I said that you have no high-ground. If given the point between accusing the 'American Right' and defending the 'American Left', I'm always going to accuse the Right. You're both violent, irrational and destructive, an infection that's killing the US. That you're now quibbling on ratios of deaths and destruction vs time is a sign of degradation.

Emphasis on American Right by the way. The 'Right' can believe in rational policy-making, business and human rights. Whatever 'Right' you are, it's weaponized rage who takes responsibility for nothing. They're also the same ones who costed $1.7 Trillion dollars in their trade wars, and several trillion more from Iraq and Afghanistan. Comparing money and lives wasted due to each other's stupidity, is not only a pointless exercise, it's not one I think that the American Right would even win.

A big reason for the nosedive of America's Empire

Yesterday, Joe Biden signed the Infrastructure Bill into law.

Is it now Infrastructure Week?

America wanted revenge for 9/11, it was Bush turned it from a singular manhunt to two forever-wars and so much of the "left right" spectrum fell in line behind him.

Neo-Con and RINO are not irrelevant distinctions any more than Neo-lib and DINO. The Establishment, the Oligarchy, the Globalists and the Deep state; all these names boil down to the consensus that has congealed among the american politcal class after the Berlin Wall fell.

Bush, Clinon, Obama, McCain, opposition in verbiage, conferderates in action. How few of his fans are happy to be reminded when Obama was pushing for his own middle east adventures in Lybia and Syria.

There is the reason Bush and McCain were so eagerly rehabilitated by the media despite prolonged satan-hood before Trump took over the Right: controlled opposition.

The Right walks thier half day protest into the halls of power and does little but wave flags and misplace furniture; the feds arrests the leaders for half a year without charge, Washington rings itself with wire and soldiers and the media decries them as every -ism under the sun in near unison

The Left torches thier own communities for a month, loots and kills at the prodding of corporate media; Washington does little more than bleat and reframe thier own goals, what few of the lefts own goals are allowed are undone in a year as their stupidity proves self evident

The government's response proves the point, the Right shows autonomy and rebelion and thus gets cracked down on while the Left is left to riot far away from anything they care about like useful idiots.

That would be high ground enough, that they are capabile of restraint and discerning between foe and bystander makes the Right infinitely preferable.

That Gilan thinks the Right of July 6th is the same as those who desired the destruction of Iraq explains so much.

Obama and Biden may be too chummy to a system that's horribly flawed, but Jan 6 was an outright fascist coup attempt instead of just a riot. Its insurgents called for the heads of elected officials due to being brainwashed by conmen and circlejerks for years. Meanwhile, those riots, as wrong as they may be, are the end result of the people in charge not doing enough to fight racism and exclusion. One side wants equity gone as shown by politicians donating to hate groups, the other says it wants equity but is too on the take to deliver.

The sooner society becomes equitable and accepting, the less of these riots we'll have. But corporations banking on divisions should get some part of the blame too.

A fascist coup that openly announced its impending presence, arrived on site heavily armed but fired no shots, took no hostages and left on its own, even after one of thier own had been shot dead.

Whose participants were held for months without charges, only to finally be prosecuted for petty misdemeanours by the government that had previously shrieked how these 'fascists' had intended to put them against a wall, to the exasperation of the judges.

You have been lied to. Poorly. So poorly I would think it highly embarassing that you bought it.

With all my antipathy towards Biden (Afghanistan, Diplomacy etc…), that's at least one thing that got passed. There's been promises from Trump that there would be an infrastructure bill that never materialized. 'Course, he started a trade war which actually took aim at construction material.

The US infrastructure really needed some work.

For January 6th and the riots, you're both useful idiots mate. A lot of what you say would apply to you as well.

You really think the Black Lives Matter types and the January 6th crowd are the same as corporate party elite? I could say there's also three sides, the corporate elite and the various extremes, but I've already said I don't like the three of them. Iraq War crowd demographics who were all brainwashed on how great war and torture were are the same as the current 'American Right' one, so it doesn't do much to counter my point that you lot never take responsibility for anything.

"Hang Mike Pence" sound peaceful to you? One of the deaths of a police officer was from a beating, I take it more as a sign of incompetence than good intentions that the mob failed so utterly to actually do anything than just cause damage.

At this point, the only explanations for those there are either malice or idiocy. Either way, nothing worth defending.

I get your point, however all things that are a human right require labour, food, housing, water, a job
obviously if someone refuses to work they shouldn't be provided those things, but a s long as somebody is working they should receive what they need to live off

Doctors and other healthcare workers should be paid by the state

What is even fascism anymore? Anything remotely "right wing" or "nationalist"? Does it mean what it originally meant, as Mussolini outlined it – i.e. Everything in the State, nothing outside the State, nothing against the State (to quote Mussolini)?
What is even socialism anymore? Anything remotely redistributive? Even the self-proclaimed socialists in the US have largely abandoned the "public ownership of means of production" definition and substituted it with "Government shall subsidize my lifestyle".
All these ideologies; socialist, communist, fascist, capitalist, all of them have been redefined, remolded, devoid of any meaning. Mutated to suit whatever abstract talking point some shmuck on the internet is trying to convey.

To quote George Orwell "the word 'Fascism' is almost entirely meaningless. … almost any English person would accept 'bully' as a synonym for 'Fascist…'Fascism' has now no meaning except in so far as it signifies something not desirable."

I'm so exhausted by this.

Just stop. Stop pretending these people are the biggest boogeyman in the world.

When did I say "Black Lives Matter types and the January 6th crowd are the same as corporate party elite"? Complete non sequiter from my view.

I also dont remember saying peaceful either; I said restrained; the right's riots have seen violence directed against the target of thier ire and what testiment to them that a stroke is the highlight event when considering the prevelance of arms among the jan 6 protestors.

The left lashes out against, no care given to who is hurt as their streets run red with fire and blood.

I find this belief that the supporters of the iraq war crowd is 1-1 with the right tedious, both in the face of the massive disconnect that has formed since then between voter and those representatives and the culpability of a near half of the democratic representation.

The right have seen schism from the Neocons of yesteryear, while the left just recently put thier guilty stain into the whitehouse and called it a win.

I mean Idk if they are fascists but they technically were terrorists.

They did kill one cop who was just doing it's job.

Now back on track…
FBI raids home of Lauren Boebert's ex-campaign manager in Colorado election tampering probe

It never ceases to amaze me.
Yet…not even a month since Biden went to the Climate Summit, the administration is literally auctioning off 80 Million Acres of Oil and Gas in Gulf of Mexico

#justneolib things

I have the distinct feeling neoliberalism is on its last legs. I know analysts who call it "zombie liberalism" – dead and useless, but marching on regardless.

I am just glad seemingly almost everyone is sick and tired of corporation's shit at this point, almost all sides seem to have a distaste for them.

I hope that doesn't change they seriously deserve it, social media companies are especially getting worse as time goes on.

We should've ripped up the already established contracts for this auction when we had the chance.

Climate activists, and climate politicians are the biggest single block to any realistic and meaningful ecological and environmental change there is.
There is no amount of oil and coal money that would do more harm to the ecosystem than the damage these people have done to our world.
I stand by this every day.
From demonizing nuclear.
From creating impossible expectations.
From undermining real progress.
From building a wall of red tape for innovators and entrepreneurs.
From botched, poorly managed investments which destroyed public confidence and trust.
From politicizing the issues for political expediency.
To the sheer levels of hypocrisy, over and over and over and over, obliterating any credibility.
To creating solutions that inherently and explicitly destroy personal freedoms, and delegate extraordinary powers to the state.

It's probably the only thing everyone here would agree on. When it comes down to it we have the same issues that happened during all the slave uprisings, peasant revolts and revolutions in history.

Whether they're called masters, nobles, oppressors, the bourgeois, elites, globalists, dictators or corporates the problem of some people getting too much power is the same.

The issue is that it gets more complicated from here. How do you avoid being manipulated? Is everyone with power evil? How do you press for change without making things worse (either by doing nothing or inadvertently putting someone worse in power)? Is peace or violence better? How do you tear down and rebuild a society?

Oh I wasn't talking about tearing down and rebuilding society per se because as you say that can get messy, I mean we could certainly use a lot of change right now but still yeah it could get messy, I was talking more about that I don't want people to ever stop disliking/hating corporations because they deserve it.

I don't want that to ever change corporations do suck, especially nowadays, they are just so amoral and self interested.