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Foreword: Nintendo consoles excluded from this argument because they at least innovate with the damn hardware without shitting out clown-world prices. Nintendo justifies their existence by having innovative hardware -PlayStation and Xbox are the franchises I'm targeting here because their hardware, barring mild controller advancements, is not innovative it just comes in a fancy case. That all being said, I do not approve of Nintendo charging for online play nor do I approve their aggressive policing of their IPs.

The Console Money-Saving Race's is SO much better than the Personal Computer Master Race.

You have to pay monthly fees to play any game online, have to pay much larger fees overall to buy games that are normally far less on Steam, have to understand the console company can and likely eventually will nuke 100% of your games with no way to get them again on console, and don't get me started on a game console's Internet browser.

Graphics cards get scalped but so do new consoles at roughly the same rip-off prices so I consider that point moot, but the fact is you HAVE to own a computer. Even if it's not for gaming, you have to own a computer for basic browsing and school/job work, so it makes little sense not to get a better PC at roughly the same price difference as buying a console. Plus, it will be a better experience overall than owning a console since tons of limitations consoles impose on interfaces and games and online play/mods vanish.

Console players will insist consoles are a fantastic deal that objectively is better overall cost-wise than a PC, while constantly arguing how all of these mentioned issues magically don't add up to being less worth it overall.

The Console Money-Saving Race has the heroes it deserves.

You can buy pre-builts that are less of a rip off than consoles of equivalent power -60fps at 4k is basic bitch hours; compared to cost of buying a normal computer and console separately. Emulation, modifications to games, modifications to hardware, modular replaceable parts, a basic logical grasp of computing that will help you have fun -these things make a lot of difference with having fun and not having life spoon-fed to you. Not to mention with Steam, you can transport low-spec games like Binding of Isaac and Super Meat Boy to most computers you want to have some iota of fun. With a console, you get none of that.

PS5 and Xbox One are not good deals when it comes to online play and game deals. Game pass costing 120 a year and being hailed as a great deal is nothing short of laughable. Yes, it gets me lots of new games -at random, and at an upfront price normal people cannot justify paying on top of already costly consoles and online play features and specific games they will want that likely will not be covered by game pass. Steam gets you far more for far less at around the same quality -game pass is only going to be a necessity for people who absolutely cannot wait for prices to go down and have the FU money to afford it.

PS Plus's games, are just cheap crap used to make you feel less bad about paying actual money just to play games online. Yes, World of Warcraft and like 5 other big-shots do that on PC, but the overwhelming majority of games do not because it drains people's cash to require repeated subscription-based money-fucking. PS PSN I hear is about to go offline permanently for all their handhelds and PS3s -what a great deal it was to use those stores right? Good luck getting online matches on those great games after that -unlike on PC where online matches don't so easily die because of console/store changes.

Meanwhile what, someone on Reddit bragged about a nice-looking rig, and some cuck on a forum mocked you for not understanding something about a computer? -I guess THAT is why we should hate the PCMR. God forbid people have some ego on the Internet over things that require effort to build. understand and make beautiful -not excusing douchebaggery, but a little ego is fine given the effort required to get there.

tl;dr PCMR > CMSR

The Console Money-Saver Race's insufferable mental gymnastics and absolutisms on how consoles are always without question a superior deal to PCs, while continually making anti-intellectual absurdisms against emulation, mods, and PC building, is a miracle of Satan's burning Earth. But everyone calls out the PC Master Race because people should not be allowed to express their pride in the thought and work required to make or obtain a PC, always calling on some anecdote of how some user one time was a little 'too' proud of their effort.

CMSR is way more intolerable than PCMR, by a mile. The PC community makes you smarter and appreciate a craft, while the console community has their whole world view dictated by whatever of the 3 console brands they are buying from decide to do to their victims aka consumers. The worst you get in the PCMR community is people being obnoxious about mocking trashy builds -a trend I wish would die, but is not nearly so bad the whole community is thus for naught.

Do not mistake my argument for loyalty. The PC Master Race sucks because they are dismissive of anyone with a build and setup slightly different than their elite setups. The Console Money-Saver Race is just so astronomically idiotic with their presumptuous arguments on how valuable consoles are (they are largely inflated in value) while also acting like gameslave victims of their chosen brandmasters that I hate them a lot more as a community. Honestly, gamers actually SHOULD rise up -by throwing off their fanboy brand-loyal shackles and buy a god damn PC.

Though, with all these illogical responses KnowYourMeme is putting up stiff competition. Perhaps I should not have presumed a memesite could have proper forum discussion when this is the best I get. Maybe full sentences are too dense for meme posters to retort properly to.

I do not care about any forum-based cultural qualms regarding what is considered appealing as post formatting and social pandering. That is a very shallow line of thought rather than just discussing the actual ideas and opinions themselves.

Closest you came to addressing said ideas was merely calling them broadstroke opinions. Of course they are broadstroke opinions, they are intentionally generalizing groups of people based on their general behaviors, so they are by nature broadstroke; this is not a statistic on every single niche difference of opinion in each community, merely a statement on the general actions each one partakes in the most.

If you are not the type to argue, don't argue, but likewise do not imply your argumentation is somehow not argument, nor should you imply argumentation is somehow a bad thing, and additionally do not engage in such a fallacious tactic as trying to get the final word in by insisting any further retort is bad by virtue of being an argument whereas yours is somehow not. Argument is merely the stigmatized way of saying discussion -or should I fear some ornery user will pull a niche Google definition as if to prove social connotation of words does not exist?

Here's to hoping the next responder can actually think on the details of these thoughts rather than get burnt to a crisp in shallow social stylings and word games. As a reminder, this thread was made about the console community aka console money-saver race, versus the PC community aka PC master race, and which is better or rather, less God-awful. Would not mind hearing evaluation of the opinions. Maybe my thoughts were too obviously true to warrant discussion.

I'm beginning to think no one in this forum can think outside of pure meme logic. Try directly refuting the actual points of the discussion with genuine reasons and opinions on the topic at hand, which by the way: is about the PC master race, and the console money-saver race. Feel free to contribute to the discussion instead of scraping together shitposty memes and meme comparisons like everyone else so far has. Rule 2 of this forum is a fucking joke it seems why even bother posting an actual discussion. If posts have to be so oversimplified and pandered just for people to follow the rules, it's no longer fucking worth it to bother conveying an honest opinion since only the biggest retard's voice will come through.

I suppose it would be Earth-shattering for you to know then that I have spoken thus far sincerely, clown.

I could call PC users PC users, but I call them the PC Master Race or PCMR, because they put a lot of pride and effort into their machines from hardware to software in design, organization, and execution. A mocking 'master race' label is befitting a group of people that not only acts important, but actually does things to support the notion, while also at times going overboard with how proud they are of their work. However, considering the worst side of them is their desire to mock trashy builds (overwhelming majority of PCMR people do not mock console owners and actively support them) I don't believe the mockery should be that strong. PCMR is primarily an iconic title, and at this point secondarily a point of mockery.

I could call console users console users, or call them console gamers. But, I call them the Console Money-Saver Race or CMSR, because they put a lot of pride and effort into arguing how their brand of console is the best, how it is a superior monetary value to PCs and consoles, all the while willfully and obnoxiously fighting and ignoring all arguments to the contrary. Whether it be bars to emulation, bars to mods, limitations mandating all online gaming be paid for, extremely overpriced games relative to the Steam deals you get on PC, or the fact the console stores can at any time randomly self-implode if it ceases to be financially viable to run them -you are getting a shit monetary deal with consoles. I call them the Console Money-Saver Race because that's what they en masse care about, meanwhile PC Master Race members do not nearly as often act egotistic about their computers and tend to actively coddle CMSR people.

If anything, the PCMR title is fucking stupid since PCMR people rarely act egotistic about their computers, unless you consider talking positively about your computer egotistic; even then many PCMR people have shite setups so they don't bother bragging. However, the CMSR title is far more justified because the console money-saver race in majority over-values the deal you get buying a console relative to a computer when that deal is often total horseshit calculating in all other costs; not to mention the ratio of bang-per-buck you get with a console. Though again, I do downplay how this relates to Nintendo's Nintendo Switch as their console offers unique innovation and mobility combined with gaming you won't get on a PC at anywhere close to the same price range.

You use this website.

Anyway, hope the rest of you can just discuss the topic at hand.