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So I saw the promo another couple times and noticed something… Odd. Specifically, Peridot is inside Lion? It seems pretty weird, since it seemed a established fact that only Steven can get inside the pocket dimension in his mane (Otherwise, they would have gone in it before opening the portal in "Cry for help", because Lion seemed really taxed by their weight, and Steven did just that to diminish the weight).

Last edited Dec 28, 2015 at 08:40PM EST

Tentacles wrote:

So I saw the promo another couple times and noticed something… Odd. Specifically, Peridot is inside Lion? It seems pretty weird, since it seemed a established fact that only Steven can get inside the pocket dimension in his mane (Otherwise, they would have gone in it before opening the portal in "Cry for help", because Lion seemed really taxed by their weight, and Steven did just that to diminish the weight).

I think Peridot is riding on top of Lion and being covered by Lions mane

Lion seemed really taxed by their weight, and Steven did just that to diminish the weight

That raises a question – how heavy are the gems? I mean, we know that their bodies are just holograms with mass, but how much mass? There's no real reason why the amount of mass contained in the hologram should be equal to that of a human with equal volume. While we can see that their density is probably greater than water's (since we've seen them sink before) how much greater would it be? Heck, they might even be more dense than a human, depending on how the holograms work, or even capable of changing their mass on the fly to suit the situation (so they could go from being very dense when they want to sink to hardly dense at all when they want to swim). It's all very interesting.

Platus wrote:

Lion seemed really taxed by their weight, and Steven did just that to diminish the weight

That raises a question – how heavy are the gems? I mean, we know that their bodies are just holograms with mass, but how much mass? There's no real reason why the amount of mass contained in the hologram should be equal to that of a human with equal volume. While we can see that their density is probably greater than water's (since we've seen them sink before) how much greater would it be? Heck, they might even be more dense than a human, depending on how the holograms work, or even capable of changing their mass on the fly to suit the situation (so they could go from being very dense when they want to sink to hardly dense at all when they want to swim). It's all very interesting.

It'll probably be easier to answer that question is to see them as hard light constructs as opposed to holograms, and even then it's difficult to provide an accurate result, we would need to know the mass of the constructs to do so, at best we can make an educated guess of lightest to heaviest (which I believe is Pearl, Amythest then Garnet)

ActivistZero wrote:

It'll probably be easier to answer that question is to see them as hard light constructs as opposed to holograms, and even then it's difficult to provide an accurate result, we would need to know the mass of the constructs to do so, at best we can make an educated guess of lightest to heaviest (which I believe is Pearl, Amythest then Garnet)

I agree that "hard light" is probably a better way to characterize them. I just took the "holograms with mass" phrase from this video:

(The phrase is at 0:24.)

I really hope that Steven will stay tall after the birthday episode, I think that would be a great way to show that he's developed so much.
But I have to wonder how that growth spurt occurred. Maybe it's got to do with how Greg and/or the Gems raised him when he was younger so his physical age was younger than his mental age, but now that he's 14 it's caught up?

Extended preview of The Answer.

Ruby and Sapphire both belonged in the diplomatic group, along with the other two Rubies. Sapphires are part of a rare aristocratic class, while Rubies are common soldiers.

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MScratch wrote:

Extended preview of The Answer.

Ruby and Sapphire both belonged in the diplomatic group, along with the other two Rubies. Sapphires are part of a rare aristocratic class, while Rubies are common soldiers.

That's less of a "preview" and more of a "first minute and a half leaked footage from the episode that won't be aired for another 3 days".

MScratch wrote:

Extended preview of The Answer.

Ruby and Sapphire both belonged in the diplomatic group, along with the other two Rubies. Sapphires are part of a rare aristocratic class, while Rubies are common soldiers.

Interesting – so they sent the three rubies specifically so they could fuse when it was time to fight. Yet Jasper, another warrior gem (though clearly a higher class one) looks down on fusion. Is there a class snobbery thing here, where weak warrior gems become effective through fusion, while strong warrior gems like Jasper take pride in their ability to fight solo? Homeworld fusion politics seem so interesting – I can't wait to learn more.

Black Graphic T wrote:

Sweet. New content. Is this part of another bomb?

It's leaked footage from the first episode of the Steven's Birthday Bomb, which is a Stevenbomb that goes from the 4th to the 8th.

Aw geez, this Steven Bomb is going to be the death of me, isn't it? I find it interesting that Sapphire had diamonds on her outfit, but the Rubies did not. Although the Rubies all had the same outfits, essentially acting as a "uniform". I wonder if aristocratic gems like Sapphire have more freedom to wear what they want, being able to add more flourishes and intricate detailing to their outfit? I also find it interesting that Ruby's outfit looks pretty much exactly the same now as it was then except she has the headband.

Since Sapphire could see into the future, perhaps she knew Ruby was going to bump into her and let her do it on purpose? I may be looking into it too much, but you know.

It's really interesting to learn more about where each gem sits in the class system. I'm a huge sucker for aristocrat/commoner love stories so something tells me this is going to become yet another favorite episode of mine. Do you think Sapphire was high enough in the class system to own a Pearl?

I really like the silhouettes of the other gems we see in the foreground/background of this scene. We can see Lapis at one point (presumably the Lapis we know, since her gem was on her back). Actually, I think we see two other Lapis' standing along with her, seeing as they both have the same gem shape as Lapis but in different places. Excuse me while I analyze the shit out of these figures.

There's something I've been wondering for a few days now since we now know that the same gems will have different placements on the body, does this mean each gem has a different power/ability depending on the placement? Pearl can project holograms from her mind, but can a Pearl with a gem on her hand do the same thing? Could a Lapis with the gem on her foot still make wings come out of it? Will the weapon be different? It would seem weird if the Ruby with the gem on her arm could make a gauntlet come out of it. Perhaps that's the benefit of gems of the same type fusing, they get a combination of each other's weapons. I also have a feeling that we will learn what Sapphire's weapon/item is in this episode.

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MScratch wrote:

Extended preview of The Answer.

Ruby and Sapphire both belonged in the diplomatic group, along with the other two Rubies. Sapphires are part of a rare aristocratic class, while Rubies are common soldiers.

Do I spy Lapis?

MScratch wrote:

Steven's Birthday preview.

It cut out at the end.

We saw that he was an infant, but what happens next?

WHAT COMES AFTER INFANT?!

Steven is going to be stuck a tiny baby forever.

Why are there suddenly so many "sneak peaks" that are just straight up leaks? I didn't mind seeing the leak for "The Answer" but now I feel a little guilty watching this other one… Hrrrrm, I may have to cut myself off until monday.

On the nitpicky side of things, it looks like Greg has his weird perma-sunburn thing in that baby picture. So we know he had to have gotten it between Rose's video and Steven's birth.

I feel like this has been all but confirmed. I just pray they don't show it to us soon, I gotta prepare myself emotionally for that kinda thing.

Crimson Locks wrote:

Why are there suddenly so many "sneak peaks" that are just straight up leaks? I didn't mind seeing the leak for "The Answer" but now I feel a little guilty watching this other one… Hrrrrm, I may have to cut myself off until monday.

It's some asshole who tried to leak the full episodes, but only got the first few minutes. Either that, or he has the full episodes leaked somewhere but not on youtube.

By the way guys, PLEASE spoiler your comments. These aren't previews (official previews that is), they are leaks.

I don't mean to be rude, but isn't it pretty obvious that the videos were leaks? Like since when did cartoon network just release the first minute and a half of their episodes days before the premier and have the videos cut off mid-sentence? Not to mention those videos are most certainly not posted on an official CN channel. I didn't need Ian to confirm this for me, there were warning flags everywhere.

Crimson Locks wrote:

I don't mean to be rude, but isn't it pretty obvious that the videos were leaks? Like since when did cartoon network just release the first minute and a half of their episodes days before the premier and have the videos cut off mid-sentence? Not to mention those videos are most certainly not posted on an official CN channel. I didn't need Ian to confirm this for me, there were warning flags everywhere.

I already knew that some dude was intending to post leaks, as in the full episodes, but apparently he only got the first few minutes of the episodes.

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Alright, so I'm getting pumped. Not because of the leak/previews, but because of the official trailer. Also, mods, if this seems to be a spoilerific post, then I apologize. So anyways, Peridot's reaction face to the yellow insignia in the sky. A friend of mine told me on a wiki chat that it might not be YD, but a messenger arriving on her behalf. I somewhat agree with it due to how the seasons are structured. The first was monster with hints of Homeworld, then the current (second) one is Homeworld and Franeknsteins with hints of higher-ups. The third season, which may come after this SU-Bomb, might include a fully full YD since she's an obvious higher-up. I digress. I kind of hopped aboard their theory by saying that it was more or less a message filled with karmic punishment towards Peridot. All her hype is going to boil down to her having a breakdown when a big reveal comes and says she's been replaced or isn't needed in general. This breakdown might include the "mech hurls stuff at Gems" scene. What might that stuff be? Well this is a giant stretch, but probably broken drill pieces. Cause breakdown. Ba-dum-tsssst.

Please spoiler your spoilers. Thanks. – Platus

Last edited Jan 02, 2016 at 02:40PM EST

So, just a quick reminder on spoiler policies as we approach the last remaining hours before GayFest 2k16 aka Steven Bomb 4

In this thread we put anything about the new episodes under a spoiler tag for the first 24 hours after the official airing. Any text, images, or videos about the new episode must be under a tag.

The new episodes this week air at 5:30 EST. We're not going to be super strict on keeping things to exactly 24 hours, just use your common sense. If the episode airs in the evening, then keep any posts about it under a spoiler tag until tomorrow afternoon.

If you don't know how to use spoiler tags, please refer to our textile guide

Crimson Locks wrote:

So, just a quick reminder on spoiler policies as we approach the last remaining hours before GayFest 2k16 aka Steven Bomb 4

In this thread we put anything about the new episodes under a spoiler tag for the first 24 hours after the official airing. Any text, images, or videos about the new episode must be under a tag.

The new episodes this week air at 5:30 EST. We're not going to be super strict on keeping things to exactly 24 hours, just use your common sense. If the episode airs in the evening, then keep any posts about it under a spoiler tag until tomorrow afternoon.

If you don't know how to use spoiler tags, please refer to our textile guide

What about the image gallery? Do images from/relating to the newest episode have to be tagged within the first 24 hours as well?

TERRIFYING RENEGADE PEARL


So we got confirmation that fusions of the same gem type produce bigger versions of the said gem. Fusion between different gems is looked down on, which was implied in the Guide. Rose's rebellion seemed to made of only her and our Pearl, at least at first.


Bubblegum Garnet, Blue Diamond, Blue Pearl, it's so early and we got so much new lore. It's already too much, and I want even more.

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I WASN'T READY FOR THAT EPISODE

Diamond factions confirmed as they have been in some of that leaked footage. I'm shocked at how much exposure to Homeworld we're suddenly getting.

Ruby and Sapphire's duet humming of "Stronger Than You" was almost too much. AAAAHHHH THIS BOMB IS GONNA BE AWESOME

Hulu sucks at doing cartoon streaming, at least for steven universe. So with all the bombs and all the long periods between them, you figure a streaming service would be able to catch up to the current episodes with little issue, even doing a 1 episode a week model. Well, according to hulu, Joyride is the latest episode of steven universe. :P

Coming off of the heels of services like crunchyroll, it almost feels like either hulu doesn't give a crap enough to try, or they're not being allowed to by CN. Because they do it for other shows, just not steven universe.

Hooo boy where do I even begin with this episode. There was just… so much information packed into those 11 teensy minutes. Well done, lads. Such a beautifully put together episode.

This episode just told us so much about Garnet's character and gave us such a big understanding of Ruby and Sapphire's characters and how the components of their characters come together to make Garnet. I can't get over the splotchy cotton candy version of Garnet, I just wasn't expecting that.

I love the decision of making everyone so monochrome in homeworld, even the characters that weren't just silhouettes. And the decision to have Estelle voice all the characters we haven't met yet was a very interesting one. I can't believe we got to see a better view of what Blue Diamond looks like before we got to see more than a shadow of Yellow Diamond.

"Welcome to Earth"

This episode was good. Nice look into both sapphires and ruby's backstory as well as giving a better look at how fusion works, specifically that there is in fact a difference between same gem fusion and different gem fusion. I liked it a lot, especially the art style used to convey everything. Also it was interesting that the gem's live up in the sky above the earth, it's a very nice element to show the separation between gemworld and earth.

Blue diamond has given me an idea, though. One I gotta sit on till after the bomb, or maybe even in another bomb, to see if my hunch is right. These bombs seem to be continuing the tradition of being awesome.
All right, I have many thoughts on that episode, but most of them have already been said here, So I'm going straight for the not spoken ones: Original Garnet was very interesting, specifically because of how imperfect and mismatched she looked. It basically tells that a fusion of two gems can definitely look considerably different based on the current compatibility of the gems, and the way they give into it. Or something. I would like some word of god in why Garnet looked that way.

Copy-paste from the main article:

I haven’t seen the first Stevenbomb 4 episode yet so I can’t comment on that, but I did just learn today that the episode Story for Steven got censored in the UK.

News source

For those too lazy to read it: the musical number “What Can I Do For You?” had part of Rose and Peal’s fusion dance censored so the romantic subtext of Pearl being in love with Rose (and trying to shove it in Greg’s face like “she’s mine, bitch!”) is basically gone. In other words: it looks like the UK airings are censoring elements of “gay stuff” from the show. This is pretty bad on the basis that it’s censoring an important element of character interaction, and I get the feeling this will be especially bad in episodes like Jailbreak and Keystone Motel, which show Ruby and Sapphire showing affection.

I'm sure most UK fans watch the episodes online after they air in the US, but now it looks like ya'll have more of a reason to stick to the 'Murican airings. Isn't this somewhat ironic considering people stereotype America as being "not especially gay friendly" because it took so long for same-sex marriage to be legalized nationwide (and some extreme conservative politicians want to repeal the passing), but yet the UK is the one censoring the "gay stuff"?

I was always under the impression that Fusions, like Garnet, used to be accepted on Homeworld but then grew out of favor near the time of war and only in the last 5000 years was fusion regarded as bad. This means that the fusions the Crystal Gems use aren't a hold over from a forgotten time, but something they themselves devised (which means it could have given them quite the advantage in the war, explaining how the Rebels could force back Homeworld)

Anyone also find it weird how easily Ruby and Sapphire fused? Before it's always needed a dance, now they just sort of collide and boom! Fusion. What?

Also, anyone find it weird that in the show proper, we see another diamond before we see Yellow Diamond, the one alluded to since season one finale?

In regards to the "Les censor" What? I always thought UK was more accepting to homosexuals than the US, given Doctor Who and Torchwood. Weird. Also, if they gonna be censoring the relationships of the Gems, they are gonna pull a "4kids One Piece" and remove very important information from the show and create gaps.

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So the fandom has already taken to Blue Diamond's Pearl, who we've only seen for like 5 seconds. I can't entirely blame them. Her design was really nice. I found it interesting that she was the only gem in that scene that had and non-silhouetted design but didn't speak. I think it's apparent that she will be important at some point in the probably distant future. The way that the camera focused on her as she turned her head toward Sapphire and Blue Diamond's conversation and even looked a little sad when she heard the rebellion would be stopped hints at so much. I imagine she secretly looks up to the rebellious Pearl and dreamed of a day when the rebels won and she would be free from her status as an object, but did not have the bravery or confidence to rebel herself.

I was seeing a couple people saying "Garnet told Jamie that love at first sight doesn't exist and love takes work but this episode completely goes against that statement" and to those people I say they missed a big part of this story. I mean, just fucking look at the original Garnet design

It's a huge fucking mess! It's a wonderful design that perfectly sums up how Ruby and Sapphire's relationship at this point is messy and confused. Their actions in the beginning scenes were impulsive and left them in a mess of trouble, and neither of them knew what they were doing or what this new fusion meant or what they were going to do being stuck on earth. The only thing they did know was that being fused felt amazing and they wanted to keep doing that. The design didn't even change between their first and second fusion because they still hadn't figured out what was going on between them yet. They didn't even start referring to themselves as one entity yet. Remember what Garnet said to Jamie? "Love takes work", and I can see that there was a lot of work that went on between the original Garnet and the Garnet we know today. Jamie's idea of love was instantaneous and perfect and didn't require work, but it's very clear to me that Ruby and Sapphire's relationship was the opposite of that.

Speaking of Garnet's design, I really love that one of her feet is bare. I wonder if this means Sapphire also has bare feet? And it's very intriguing to me how Garnet is the very first case of different gem types fusing. I wonder how she knew her name was Garnet?

I love that one of the Jaspers that was guarding Blue Diamond (I assume they were Jaspers?) had their gem over their eye. I was kinda wondering for a while if it was actually possible to have a gem on the eye (like what my gemsona has) so it was nice to have that small little confirmation

@Ms. Fortune:

Ah, yes, I remember hearing about that episode being censored. Watching the side-by-side comparison of the US vs UK versions was really amusing. I think this is proof that things don't just get automatically fixed when gay marriage becomes illegal, and homophobia is everywhere. I just don't get how people get especially weird about gay things being around children? Like what's the point of pretending this just doesn't exist? Sure older fans can just find the US version online but it's actually upsetting thinking about the children who don't know they can find the original version online and are stuck with shit like that.

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So since story for steven takes place after jailbreak, can anyone confirm if it was censored? Assuming i got the episode order right?

>tmw you've watched today's episode and thus think it's safe to look at the spoilered images in the SU gallery
>tmw the first one you open has Peridot in it
>tmw you remember the leaks

Yeah, regardless of Spoiler Tags and whether or not you've seen the episode, the Gallery is not safe guys

I got a chuckle seeing what would happen when multiple gems of the same type fuse. Same when I saw Garnet be afraid of Pearl. I'm curious to see how Lapis is related to Blue Diamond, if at all.
Good episode to start the bomb on, we got plenty of confirmations and lore here, but I get the feeling that this episode will inevitably get censored to hell, or just not aired at all in certain countries.
I have to say though, were anyone else weirded out by everyone's eyes in general? They just looked messy and way too cartoonish, in comparison to previous episodes. Also, while Ruby's VA did a great job in Jailbreak and Keystone Motel, I wasn't too sure of her performance this time around. Sapphire's VA, however, really did a great job at making a somewhat silent character have emotions and thoughts.
And it was kinda funny how Rose welcomed Garnet to earth, but when Peridot arrived it was Garnet who welcomed her to earth.

Finally saw the episode. That's interesting, Garnet's the first case of a fusion between two different gems I take it? Or perhaps fusion between two different types of gems have happened in the past but it was frowned upon in gem society? Either way it was great to finally see how Ruby and Sapphire met and how Garnet was formed. Seeing how Garnet looked at first was also pretty interesting as it really reflects just how new Ruby and Sapphire were to fusing with one another. Ruby had fused with other Rubies, though only for combat, and Sapphire indicated he had never fused before, so the whole thing was pretty new for both of them in some way.

Also the "fusion is a metaphor for sex" thing seemed to only intensify this episode, heh heh.

I may get a lot of flak for this but, while it was intresting to see how Ruby & Sapphire got together, I did not really get all that invested in it, I was more intrested in how the Homeworld Society and how it seemed to be similar to medieval aristocratic societies (like how they interact with gems of higher/lower class). As a final note, seeing how badass Pearl was really does shed some light on comments Garnet made in "friend ship"
This episode made me realize one thing about Pearl and her sword fighting. Specifically, has it never seemed to you guys weird how Pearl has all this experience and skill at sword fighting despite her weapon being a spear and never really using said swords in a real battle? And with this episode, after seeing Pearl using the swords in a real fight, everything fell in place: She used to wield swords because back then she wasn't able to summon her spear yet. That makes me wonder when and in what situation she learned to summon it.

So… kind of a tame episode (which is definitely good sometimes, especially in Bombs).

But now we know why Gems don't stay shapeshifted all the time. Also I kind of wish teenage Steven would stick around, he looked good with a neck. At least the ending implies we'll get to see more of him someday.

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So we now know that Greg was 22 when he first met Rose, and that Steven stopped aging when he was 8 years old. Also it seems that gems don't stay shapeshifted because it is indeed quite straining, coming from our expert shapeshifter Amethyst. Overall I think it was a comfy episode, especially since we're getting more lore-heavy later down the week.

Hahaha.

Last edited Jan 05, 2016 at 06:10PM EST
Good episode, something that's not ancient history nor end of the world plot wise. I really like episodes like this in a moderate to small supply, because they give you a chance to catch your breath and think things over. It also helped to further expand on stuff lore wise and character wise, so that's great.

Steven turning into a baby was scary, especially when it became somewhat apparent that his shapeshifting isn't just physical, he seemed to mentally regress a bit later. Only able to take in what was said after he turned back. Though that could just be an allegory for being super emotionally distraught.

Again the characters continue to be awesome, and we learn a bit about shapeshifting as well as steven's aging process, something I think a lot of people in the fandom were curious about. This episode for being a breather ep was also great in terms of the comedy, and I while I thought something as bad as cat fingers or too many birthdays might happen, I was glad to see it didn't, and steven's teenage design was generally one of the best, just looking like a slightly bigger scaled steven. I like design choices like that from the creators, who could have gone really crazy and made bishonen-steven. :P

Also, nice reference with that Stella ablum. Garnet see's what you did there.



Speaking of garnet, is it just me or is this bomb giving us like a metric ton more cute garnet moments?

Something on my mind however is what gem homeworld thinks of shape shifting? Obviously gem weapons are something they think only warriors should have, and pearl being able to summon a spear is probably a bit mind blowing, though perhaps not unheard of if there are some bodyguard styled pearls out there.

But shape shifting seems like something that's not normal for gem kind to do. For a group who belives in rigid castes and one living to fullfill certain roles, I can't imagine the ability to alter how one appears would be received well. Certainly a gem impersonating another gem as amytheist has done with both pearl and rose would be seen with revilement.

Just a little something that could come into play in the future.
Last edited Jan 05, 2016 at 06:29PM EST

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