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A more subdued ending to this Stevenbomb compared to others, as yesterday's episode of Peridot telling off YD and becoming part of the Crystal Gems was by far the "biggest boom" of this Bomb. This one focused more on the gap in events between Too Far, which aired in October, to this week's Stevenbomb. Since we saw Peridot get closer to Pearl and Amethyst in other episodes, this one focused more on how she's bonded with Garnet, whom at first she was uncomfortable around due to her being a constant fusion that, in her eyes, seemed to serve no real purpose.

Biggest highlights to me were: Peridot's freak out over what happened in the last episode, her wondering where she's gonna put a star on her outfit like the other Gems, her fangirling over a cheesy soap opera (by the way notice that the Canadian flag was green and white instead of red and white, I wonder if Gems somehow affected that in the past) and being as big of a shipper as parts of the fanbase, asking Amethyst to turn into a chicken so she'd get the "why'd the chicken cross the road?" joke, and her reaction to Garnet offering the chance to fuse. Also Garnet explaining why she's always fused by using the soap opera was cool.

Last edited Jan 08, 2016 at 05:52PM EST
Funniest episode to date. The episode was very interesting in that, while Peridot had show character development before, this episode showed that during all this time, she had actually learned to like earth and the things on it. If you ask me, the episode also shows what is probably Peridot's best quality: Whenever she doesn't understand something, she makes a hige effort to change that, even if she thinks it's something stupid at first, even if she still thinks is stupid after a while, she doesn't give up.

ActivistZero wrote:

So were back in hiatus i'm guessing if so

I guess this is what we should come to expect after each bomb.

Anyway, so I read a post on reddit that YD's design looked like it should be in Jojo rather than SU. Come to think of it, her facial features are similar to Dio Brando (the eye liner, the eyes, nose, and mouth) and her color scheme is similar to "the world". What do you guys think, could they be going for a dio-styled villain, or am I just insane?

chowzburgerz wrote:

I just thought of something, what if the entire Earth is the Cluster's egg?

Isn't that exactly what the Earth is? I mean, the idea is that it's incubating under the Earth's surface and when the Cluster "hatches" it'll tear apart the earth.That sounds like an egg to me.

Alright, so I can sum up this SU Bomb in two ways. The penultimate episode's ending:

When it actually ended, and then another hiatus shows up:

The hiatus is especially irritating, because it always happens after a major episode. And I'm not talking about season finales or mid-season finales, I'm talking about ones that advance the plot in general. Once the hiatus ends, it's going to be character development or filler, with a few hints of plot here and there. It's like a vicious cycle.

Last edited Jan 10, 2016 at 04:28PM EST

I wasn't around this thread when Steven Universe made it's grand comeback so I missed some fine Discourse like future vision (I like to think Garnet caught Greg from falling off the roof because of future vision) or generally speculating on what the episodes entail but I have to say that was a Steven Bomb as good as the last ones, which is to say pretty great. It ended on a mellow note so there's not much suspense to dread over in the hiatus. I'd be really disappointed if it was fake, but I'm really excited for the episode where Lapis meets Peridot

Peridot is right; Earth has resources that would be far more useful to Homeworld than the Cluster would be (who are they even building weapons to fight against, anyway? Or is it some sort of manifest destiny sort of deal?), which means the real reason the Diamonds want Earth gone is to hide the fact that they lost to rebels.

We've learned more about gem physiology (I guess that's the right word?): Shapeshifting expends energy from a Gem, which they first absorb during the formation stage, and probably replenish through various ways, which probably means, at least for Amethyst, eating serves some sort of purpose for gems.
This also might mean that if the Gems send pieces or the entirety of the Cluster out into space, it could potentially take energy from the surrounding stars and still form.
Their hard-light bodies also adjust to changes in gravity so they could travel to any planet with no worry of being crushed or floating away. This also explains why the larger fusions, weapons and gems don't slow down due to gravity, despite their size.

And since Peridot (and presumably Garnet and Pearl) knew this and Amethyst did not, probably means that Gems don't form with complete knowledge of their world, and undergo an education of some sort.
And, judging by Peridot's duality between pride and regret, as she put it, "madness," it is possible that after the rebellion, all Gems are now sort of brainwashed/designed to be loyal, not just the Pearls.

As it seems that all gems of a certain type, save the pearls, look identical, there also might be a "mistaken identity" episode, where a Homeworld Gem is put in place of a Crystal Gem of the same type, or vise-versa.

Last edited Jan 10, 2016 at 11:51PM EST

Ok, So there's this debate about whether our Pearl originally belonged to white diamond or pink diamond. And while very possible, everyone is missing the obvious third option: Neither. First there's the obvious first fact that Pearl has more variety of colors, which ca at least partially be symbolic of her freedom, but remember that Peridot said that there were "hundreds of pearls" back at homeworld. given that we have seen the diamonds with a single pearl (It's very possible they have more off-screen, but even if that's the case, I doubt they have a lot), the obvious conclusion is that is not only diamonds that have pearls, but other high rank gems do too. So it's perfectly possible that our Pearl never belonged to a diamond, and just to another kind of high ranking gem instead.

Tentacles wrote:

Ok, So there's this debate about whether our Pearl originally belonged to white diamond or pink diamond. And while very possible, everyone is missing the obvious third option: Neither. First there's the obvious first fact that Pearl has more variety of colors, which ca at least partially be symbolic of her freedom, but remember that Peridot said that there were "hundreds of pearls" back at homeworld. given that we have seen the diamonds with a single pearl (It's very possible they have more off-screen, but even if that's the case, I doubt they have a lot), the obvious conclusion is that is not only diamonds that have pearls, but other high rank gems do too. So it's perfectly possible that our Pearl never belonged to a diamond, and just to another kind of high ranking gem instead.

I'm going to have to agree here.

From the sound of it, a pearl is something like a valet – a high class personal servant who would follow you around and take care of whatever tasks you needed them for (servants in this role are often erroneously called "butlers," but a butler actually serves as the chief of staff for households with numerous servants – they aren't man-servants).

In any case, having a servant of this kind is of course very rare and limited only to the very rich. This includes world leaders of course, and usually the people employed as, say, a presidential valet are considered exceptional among the profession, but being a valet does not necessarily mean working for a politician. You could just as easily work for a wealthy businessperson or a celebrity.

Obviously, this doesn't preclude our Pearl from having worked for a diamond – it's still quite possible. It just means that "Pearl worked for someone else" needs to be on the table when we discuss fan theories.

Tentacles wrote:

Ok, So there's this debate about whether our Pearl originally belonged to white diamond or pink diamond. And while very possible, everyone is missing the obvious third option: Neither. First there's the obvious first fact that Pearl has more variety of colors, which ca at least partially be symbolic of her freedom, but remember that Peridot said that there were "hundreds of pearls" back at homeworld. given that we have seen the diamonds with a single pearl (It's very possible they have more off-screen, but even if that's the case, I doubt they have a lot), the obvious conclusion is that is not only diamonds that have pearls, but other high rank gems do too. So it's perfectly possible that our Pearl never belonged to a diamond, and just to another kind of high ranking gem instead.

cough cough Rose Quartz cough cough

Ryumaru Borike wrote:

cough cough Rose Quartz cough cough

I mean, that is actually a fair point. Even if Rose isn't Pink Diamond, we know from Peridot that quartz gems have higher ranks. While we didn't see Jasper with a pearl, it's possible either that she left hers back on Homeworld (who takes their valet into a war zone?) or that there are ranks within the quartz gems, and that Rose was near the top while Jasper is near the bottom.

That being said, I would like it a lot better if Pearl "belonged" to someone else and then joined with Rose willingly. If Pearl was always working for Rose, then her dedication would look like an extension of her earlier servile dedication to her master. I mean, if we compare Peridot's dedication to Yellow Diamond to Pearl's dedication to Rose, the former appears kind of grotesque while the latter seems loving (if a bit over the top). The key difference is that Peridot has been conditioned to think as she does from inception, while Pearl (presumably) chose to be where she is.

But since we know that pearls are a servant class, and likely subject to as much propaganda as Peridot was, it becomes easy to see Pearl's self-sacrificing behaviour and possessiveness (especially in the flashback episodes) as echoes of her earlier programming. Her increased sense of independence, gained in the face of losing Rose, therefore looks like a very late-stage version of what Peridot is going through – that is, the attainment of psychological and emotional independence from her earlier social conditioning.

But if Rose started as Pearl's "master," her behaviour looks less like the retention of old habits and more like the continuation of the same under a different banner. It would, at the very least, put a stain on the Rose/Pearl relationship, which up to this point seemed based on love and mutual respect.

So yeah, it's totally possible that Rose was Pearl's first master, but I really would rather that not be the case.

^ You just reminded me that there was a theory floating around somewhere that was kinda along the same lines as "Rose is Pink Diamond."

The major point was that Rose is Pink Diamond in a similar way to how Steven is Rose. How they are not the same person, but Parent/Child, specifically a clone in Rose's case.

It goes on to how diamonds can be cleaved in half, effectively creating two diamonds, and that Pink Diamond was the test subject for this, having a piece of her gem cut off and seeded into a kindergarten, hoping to get a Diamond Clone. Instead they got a stronger-than-normal Quartz. And when Rose rebelled, Pink Diamond was shattered because the other Diamond Authorities started seeing her as a threat.

At the moment, I don't think we know enough about the specifics of Gem Creation or the Diamond Authority to see if this theory is any good.

Last edited Jan 14, 2016 at 06:32PM EST

So here's something that has kind of bugged me about Peridemption:

It's pretty set in stone that Peridot has severed ties with Homeworld, and that she's gradually accepted her place among the Crystal Gems. But it seems that no one has mentioned the fusion experiments from the Kindergarten, which Peridot may have only been overseeing. But it's surprising that the Crystal Gems, especially Garnet, don't seem to take her to task over this, seeing as she seemed so horrified, and nearly destabilized. Wouldn't she insist now that Peridot has turned her back on the Crystal Authority's agenda, that she help reverse the forced fusions if at all possible? And even if she can, would she deserve the forgiveness of the effected gems? It just seems like a lapse in character development.

Merc from the South wrote:

So here's something that has kind of bugged me about Peridemption:

It's pretty set in stone that Peridot has severed ties with Homeworld, and that she's gradually accepted her place among the Crystal Gems. But it seems that no one has mentioned the fusion experiments from the Kindergarten, which Peridot may have only been overseeing. But it's surprising that the Crystal Gems, especially Garnet, don't seem to take her to task over this, seeing as she seemed so horrified, and nearly destabilized. Wouldn't she insist now that Peridot has turned her back on the Crystal Authority's agenda, that she help reverse the forced fusions if at all possible? And even if she can, would she deserve the forgiveness of the effected gems? It just seems like a lapse in character development.

I don't see the problem. It was stated the Fusion Experiments predate the Cluster, which was made before Peridot was even made. She was sent to see how they were doing, she didn't have any part in creating or maintaining them. And in regards to her apathy towards the Gems used, remember, the Crystal Gems kept a Mirror powered by a trapped, fully sentient Gem for thousands of years without a single care, it's not like they are guiltless themselves. It is actually implied that when Gems are broken, they are "Harvested" as in put to other use, such as the Mirror, the Gem Experiments, and this is just part of Gem culture, culture the Crystal Gems have partaked in.

In regards to reversing the forced fusions, they are comprised of Broken Gems, unfusing them means who just have the corpse of a Gem which can't be fixed unless you gather all the pieces and Steven heals them, which I don't see happening, since the CGs had the same broken Gem pieces and Rose didn't (so I assume couldn't) fix them.

Ryumaru Borike wrote:

I don't see the problem. It was stated the Fusion Experiments predate the Cluster, which was made before Peridot was even made. She was sent to see how they were doing, she didn't have any part in creating or maintaining them. And in regards to her apathy towards the Gems used, remember, the Crystal Gems kept a Mirror powered by a trapped, fully sentient Gem for thousands of years without a single care, it's not like they are guiltless themselves. It is actually implied that when Gems are broken, they are "Harvested" as in put to other use, such as the Mirror, the Gem Experiments, and this is just part of Gem culture, culture the Crystal Gems have partaked in.

In regards to reversing the forced fusions, they are comprised of Broken Gems, unfusing them means who just have the corpse of a Gem which can't be fixed unless you gather all the pieces and Steven heals them, which I don't see happening, since the CGs had the same broken Gem pieces and Rose didn't (so I assume couldn't) fix them.

Good points, don't know why I didn't think of that.

grimmore wrote:

Anyone know when the hiatus is ending? Seriously, I'm dying of boredom here!

I've heard some people saying the show would return in February, but I doubt it. Matt did say on his twitter (I think) that we'll like the new schedule. Also he expects us to have a full wiki running for Camp Pining Hearts by the next bomb.

Zaccharine wrote:

I've heard some people saying the show would return in February, but I doubt it. Matt did say on his twitter (I think) that we'll like the new schedule. Also he expects us to have a full wiki running for Camp Pining Hearts by the next bomb.

Camp Pining Hearts has me completely hooked. I've watched the clip of Peridot obsessing over it about 600 times now. I expect them to turn it into a spinoff with six seasons and a movie – no less!

And she's totally right about Percy and Pierre, FYI. Percierre 4 Life!

Am I the only one who thinks Peridot x Lapis is a pairing that has absolutely no basis in show canon? I mean, there's been no indication that the two would fuse or even cooperate on any level beyond a professional one. Why is there such a big push for the two to be together?

I am saying this due to the increasing nervousness I get when looking at the questionably fake steven universe screencaps floating in the gallery

Wisehowl wrote:

Am I the only one who thinks Peridot x Lapis is a pairing that has absolutely no basis in show canon? I mean, there's been no indication that the two would fuse or even cooperate on any level beyond a professional one. Why is there such a big push for the two to be together?

I am saying this due to the increasing nervousness I get when looking at the questionably fake steven universe screencaps floating in the gallery

People started shipping them together because they were the only Homeworld Gems that we knew of.

The weird b-team dynamic the fandom makes out of jasper, lapis, and peridot isn't that much grounded in canon either tbh. I myself find it harmless, even a little adorable at times tbh.

Speaking of which, I used to think peridot was unredeemable, even potentially more so then jasper due to the kindergarten stuff. Might it be possible that we could see a jasper redemption someday? To where she becomes not a crystal gem, but like a lone wolf type who shows up to help on rare occasions? Like, say 3 bombs and potentially a season from now?

I personally think it would be interesting if jasper were explored a bit in terms of her loyalty to homeworld and having a paladins moral compass, that is unwavering loyalty to the ideals of homeworld. Though this is drawn more from tbe magic the gathering alignments that were posted a while ago.

Black Graphic T wrote:

The weird b-team dynamic the fandom makes out of jasper, lapis, and peridot isn't that much grounded in canon either tbh. I myself find it harmless, even a little adorable at times tbh.

Speaking of which, I used to think peridot was unredeemable, even potentially more so then jasper due to the kindergarten stuff. Might it be possible that we could see a jasper redemption someday? To where she becomes not a crystal gem, but like a lone wolf type who shows up to help on rare occasions? Like, say 3 bombs and potentially a season from now?

I personally think it would be interesting if jasper were explored a bit in terms of her loyalty to homeworld and having a paladins moral compass, that is unwavering loyalty to the ideals of homeworld. Though this is drawn more from tbe magic the gathering alignments that were posted a while ago.

Honestly, I thought Peridot changing sides was unlikely, then it happened.
So I would'nt rule out Jasper turning as well, she seems to be the Vegeta to Yellow Diamonds Frieza

Black Graphic T wrote:

The weird b-team dynamic the fandom makes out of jasper, lapis, and peridot isn't that much grounded in canon either tbh. I myself find it harmless, even a little adorable at times tbh.

Speaking of which, I used to think peridot was unredeemable, even potentially more so then jasper due to the kindergarten stuff. Might it be possible that we could see a jasper redemption someday? To where she becomes not a crystal gem, but like a lone wolf type who shows up to help on rare occasions? Like, say 3 bombs and potentially a season from now?

I personally think it would be interesting if jasper were explored a bit in terms of her loyalty to homeworld and having a paladins moral compass, that is unwavering loyalty to the ideals of homeworld. Though this is drawn more from tbe magic the gathering alignments that were posted a while ago.

I am absolutely dying for development of Jasper's character (and Lapis for that matter). I could see her becoming a sort of lone wolf anti-hero. I think it's likely that both Lapis and Jasper will defect from Homeworld, but I don't necessarily think they will both become Crystal Gems. I wouldn't necessarily want all of them to join the team, anyway. It would feel a little repetitive. I like the idea of Jasper having an outfit change after her rebellion and instead of having a diamond or a star on her outfit she would either have no symbol or her own unique one.

From what I can grasp of Jasper's character (granted it may be a little influenced by fanon) she seems like a very prideful character and doesn't like to be bossed around. Her supposedly high military status probably means she doesn't really have to take many orders beyond her assigned missions and gets to call the shots. I'd rather not try to plan out how her rebellion would come about, but I imagine she would be put in a situation where Yellow Diamond is ordering her to do something she doesn't want to do and Jasper chooses her own pride and independence over her status in someone else's military.

@Lapidot shipping:
I have been in fandoms for so long now that I am far past the point of finding ships like this weird. Hell, I have a few of my own ships that are kinda like this one. You guys should be thankful that Lapis and Peridot have at least been on screen together, you can't say that about a lot of ships.

I agree about the independence, we've definitely seen that. But jasper might not be as high up the chain of command as we think. She's a jasper, not like the supreme or second in command of all other warrior gems, assuming there are even those types of gems around outside of the diamonds. It is possible she is simply one solider of many who was around during the gem war. Despite that, there are some interesting characteristics of hers, such as her desire to prove her superiority to others, which could come from an inherent sense of inferiority and a drive to provd her worth to herself qnd others. She also does have a sense of morals to her, beyond her ultra conservative view of castes acting outside of their place and fusion being a tactic of the weak and desperate. That line of her respecting rose quartz tactics has me intrigued as to just what sort of tactic rose used, and whether there might be some good in her if said tactics valued the lives of her gems highly, vs homeworlds apathy to gem destruction.

I predict, and I will probably be wrong, that jasper is like peridot in thst her faith in the diamonds are absolute and she believes the diamonds are the best rulers, though not quite as perfect as periodt thought previously. Basically she'd be a staunch believer in the ethics and morals of homeworld, much like a paladjn in dnd and their faith. But if she sees her leaders doing things that go against the morals of the gem homeworld, she could very well defect out of a sense of the leadership betraying what they're supposed to stand for.

Wallstreet Wolfman wrote:

Anyone else noticing that the image gallery is getting a sudden influx of (insert Peridot ship) images, lately? It's gotten to the point where every other image is a shipping image.

There's definitely some kind of shipping war going on in the gallery.

Zaccharine wrote:

There's definitely some kind of shipping war going on in the gallery.

What I noticed is that it's mostly between two users with suspiciously similar names, being something like this: xX(PeridotshipIsCanon)Xx.

Last edited Jan 25, 2016 at 12:39PM EST

James Blunt wrote:

they dont share ip's meaning they are different people, or the user is going trough the hardwork of using proxies or different pcs

Alright, so I managed to get this on my phone:

They might be different people, but they're working together in some way. This is all on xXLapidotIsCanonXx's wall.

Like, they seem like just folks, possibly kids, having a good time who don't know any better. I don't want them banned, but maybe someone warn them that they could get in trouble for flooding the galleries so much?

Black Graphic T wrote:

Like, they seem like just folks, possibly kids, having a good time who don't know any better. I don't want them banned, but maybe someone warn them that they could get in trouble for flooding the galleries so much?

Well it's probably too late for that, since the 404 message comes up if you try to access any of their userpages.

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