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can this stupid demonization of the USA stop?

Last posted Mar 04, 2015 at 05:28PM EST. Added Feb 27, 2015 at 06:30AM EST
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Im not a big fan of USA and i hate a lot of things about it, but nowadays the hatred it gets is completly blown out of proprtion

It is now depicted as some kind of blood-lustful nation that invades every country that has oil, commits atrocities and murder sprees and leaves with all the oil they stole.
I saw people outright compare the US to nazi germany.

The 'murica memes were funny at first, but then then came the 'lets bring them freedom/democracy' memes that generally presnt the US as an evil war mongorer that excuses all their actions by saying "its for freedom.

Oh, and the best one, that all of the wars in the moern era are caused by the US. all our misery? their fault. thanks obama.

People don't know just a tiny bit of their history?

It's like people magically forgot that before the US invasion Iraq was ruled by an insane dictator that invaded all his neighbors and killed coutless of thousends of innocent people with chmical weapons.

Or how about afghanistan being under threat of radical muslims that kill women for the sole crime of aquiring education(!)

How about south korea could have ended up being like hell on earth known as north korea, if it wasn't for US intervention?

People could argue that there are plenty of other oppressed nations that need liberating and the US doesn't do anything, hence, US only invades to control the oil/money/whatever.
that might be true. But what difference does it make? it still terminated horrible regimes and dictators in hopes liberating them.

I know that most people who demonize americans are just teenage brats that try to be cool and edgy by hating what is popular to hate.
And that's the problem. WHY IS AMERICA POPULAR TO HATE? we really need to stop it. There are already kiddies online saying crap like "the world would have been a better place if america lost WWII and germany was the victor"

Last edited Feb 27, 2015 at 06:34AM EST

Now? This has been going on since at least 2001

Before 2001. Nobody in NZ had anything to say about the US. After Bush declared war on Iraq. half of NZ got this opinion that Americans are all warmongering idiots.

Easy to say such things when you are an ocean away

What I'm getting at, is that action was rather unpopular across the world so I think much of the modern "murica hate" comes from that (not considering the simmering hate from various bigots through time that has always been there since the signing of the constitution)

The other thing is the celebrity anti-fame effect.

America really is the celebrity of the world. Everyone talks about it. Everyone follows it. Everyone scrutinizes its moves, even when its a country like no other. The US is all over the internet. The forefront of the news. A thing some people even love to hate in order to elevate themselves. Statistically, it is guaranteed to get more praise and more flak than any other country in the world. That's just how it goes

All that said. Most of the legit hate has cooled off a lot.Nobody really hates the US here now. If anything, hating america is more of a running joke among some. And only serious for those typical people who always had loud opinions in the first place

About those people: some people just like talking shit about other countries it seems. The US is nothing more than an easy target for them. You wont ever stop them. There will always be loud patriotic assholes. Always. But the US has enough self esteem to ignore them anyway. I doubt most Americans are really bothered

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Last edited Feb 27, 2015 at 07:01AM EST

i donnu, but when i see comments on 9gag (yes, i sometimes go to 9gag, sue me) with 2000+ likes about "us destroyed iraq just for oil" or "being in the in the US army is being a war criminal, yet why germans get all the hate in WWII)

it is really concerning.
i don't care how unpopluar and hated 9gag is. when i see atrociuos comments like that with whoppoing two thousend likes im pretty sure nothing cooled off right now.

i don't really trust that diagram of yours with all due respect.

You don't need to trust that diagram. I just went to whatdoestheinternetthink.net and posted that for lolz

Seriously though. Those kids still going on about the war on Iraq and spewing the same sensationalist regurgitation from last decade? Heh. Guess they have something to feel edgy about now

Well I was active army and I'm not too proud of the things done by my country, but still…

But l always question this. If US is so bad and shitty, why do massive amounts of people from other countries practically risk their lives just to get here.

I feel like its one of those things where if you have something good going on for you people are gonna criticize you.

@Alex

Plus sometimes it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. EG:

People before the Syrian civil war: "lol fuck off US, stop getting involved in other countries shit. Fucking world police my ass"

People during the Syrian civil war: "OMG WHY WONT AMERICA HELP US KICK OUT ASAAD WTF AMERICA? FUCKING MURICANS DONT CARE ABOUT US. FUCKING FAT SHITS"

People afterwards, either way: "Fucking muricans"

i'll stop demonizing the US when they stop demonizing my friends in Iran.
Seriously, this doesn't just cover the US alone, and i'm very sick of the media depicting certain countries as part of some sort of "axis of evil" without actually being there to live it. I know plenty of friends who went to Iran who said that the country is a great place.

Last edited Feb 27, 2015 at 10:35AM EST

I got mixed feelings about U.S on one hand there is a lot of cool people on there, and thanks to the internet I could talk about topics that nobody in my country will give a shit about them. On the other U.S is like 50% of the internet and it's inevitable that you will see a video of a american being a complete retard/asshole, so it could led to a negative impression of americans.

About history its also no good, in most of popular wars that the U.S was involved there is some controversial topic:

Indian War: Mass Murder and nearly extinction of indian tribes.
Mexico War: U.S took advantage of a weak country to steal 50% of their territory
Vietnam War: Mass murder of civilians
Pacific war: Atomic bombings
WW2: Self proclaimed savior of the world, and world police.
Cold war: Paired with Russia they could have end the world.
Iraq war: Under the flag of weapons of mass destruction, US invaded iraq and made a mess, they found no weapons.

Lastly politics, US is notorious for criticizing other countries actions and acting as the world police, having tense relationship with US is like playing with fire, the only one that has been able to tell US to stfu is Russia.

Rikkhan wrote:

I got mixed feelings about U.S on one hand there is a lot of cool people on there, and thanks to the internet I could talk about topics that nobody in my country will give a shit about them. On the other U.S is like 50% of the internet and it's inevitable that you will see a video of a american being a complete retard/asshole, so it could led to a negative impression of americans.

About history its also no good, in most of popular wars that the U.S was involved there is some controversial topic:

Indian War: Mass Murder and nearly extinction of indian tribes.
Mexico War: U.S took advantage of a weak country to steal 50% of their territory
Vietnam War: Mass murder of civilians
Pacific war: Atomic bombings
WW2: Self proclaimed savior of the world, and world police.
Cold war: Paired with Russia they could have end the world.
Iraq war: Under the flag of weapons of mass destruction, US invaded iraq and made a mess, they found no weapons.

Lastly politics, US is notorious for criticizing other countries actions and acting as the world police, having tense relationship with US is like playing with fire, the only one that has been able to tell US to stfu is Russia.

Indian War. Um, do you mean the french india war, im not sure what you mean by that

The pacific war and World War 2 were the same thing. In WW2 we never proclaimed to be the world police, we and our allies were attacked by Axis, and so we fought back simple as that. And the atomic bombs was a last resort, if we had decided to just do an invasion WAY more people would have died.

The Cold War, don't see why a war of non aggression would make a country evil but whatever you wanna believe.

Vietnam. Um if you talking about the Mai Lai the people responsible were charged, not to mention its heavily criticized here in the US.

And as for the world police thing that is Kinda what the UN is for, we just so happen to have the strongest military so they come to us when a problem needs to be fixed.

And whats so fucked up is that whenever something bad is happening people get pissed off at the US for not trying to help. Then when we do try to help people start accusing us of meddling with other people's business. All in all dude you seem to have an oversimplified view of how those things went down. It just aint that simple

@tripleAAA
Of course it's oversimplified I don't want to turn this topic into a history debate and I am not an expert on said topics I'm just putting the general idea that you get when reading a book or watching a documental, and as I said they are controversial topics and could led to a negative view of the country, like you said the atomic bombings could have saved more lives but it doesnt change the fact that the US turned to dust two cities.

The cold war is that imagine that suddenly greece and turkey got into conflict and that if they actually go to war everyone will die. Normal reaction will be "fuck those countries, I want to live!"

Vietnam. It doesnt change the fact that was a very negative spotlight for the US. About Indian War I was talking about the american Indian tribes that were nearly eradicated by the Manifest Destiny doctrine.

The thing about the UN is that the US can easily disobey UN and say "fuck it , I'm going in!" like in the iraq war.

There is always two sides pro-war and anti-war so whatever the US choose there will always be criticized.

I just putting this as possible reason for people looking US as warmonger nation.

Last edited Feb 27, 2015 at 02:49PM EST

It's your basic nationalism. "X is better than Y because X Z." Everyone does it to everyone else. The UK's better than the mainland because… China's better than Japan because… Quebec's better than the rest of Canada because.. The US is at the top of the totem pole so we get it from everyone.

Rikkhan said:

…to steal 50% of their territory…

Per the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, we paid 15 million for it plus 3.25 million of assumed debt, so we didn't "steal" the land.

Atomic bombings

It's estimated Operation Downfall would have killed 500,000-1,000,000. Japan was setting up for a final showdown with the hardliners wanting to pull a Ronin 51 (everyone dies getting revenge). They made so many Purple Heart medals--they're still using them to this day.

129,000 in exchange for 500,000 is a pretty good deal.

>inb4 muh soviet invasion

that were nearly eradicated by the Manifest Destiny doctrine.

It wasn't really Manifest Destiny, it was just simple desire for the land they were on. As the population grew and the desire for land increased, the indians were steadily pushed into "uninhabited" areas until only Oklahoma was left and people kept on moving in.

Manifest Destiny can more be blamed for the Mexican-American War than for the Indian Wars.

It's strange that people like to criticize the US's history, when every country's fucked things up over the years. The UK/France with the Opium Wars (here's some addictive drugs. We don't want it. We're not giving you a choice.), China with the "Cultural Revolution," Japan with Nanking, Australia with the aborigines (which very much mirror the Us/Indian relationship, right down to having territory wars fought )

Last edited Feb 27, 2015 at 10:08PM EST
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