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Ok, so I was searching through conspiracy theories, and I found a couple videos that said it was a hoax. I looked in the comments section and I see people saying that "Bush did it", "it was an inside job", and it was staged. Then people are saying that they were no planes AT ALL. That bombs were set up in the Towers. So I'm thinking, did the government really tell us all the story? I mean, we can trust our own government, right?

What really happened was that 19 members of Al-Qaeda boarded and Hijacked 4 airplanes and crashed them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. A fourth was bound to crash somewhere in Washington D.C., but a passenger revolt occurred on the plane and the plane crashed in an empty field in Pennsylvania. In total, 2,996 people died that day.

9/11 was NOT an inside job and anyone who tells you otherwise unironically is an idiot. Also, Youtube comments are not a good source for reference.

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Wikipedia is good resources material right?

It's a split on people's opinions. People who think it's an inside job are deemed idiots, and people who think the opposite are deemed idiots. There's no real side until we know the truth, which from what I've read, YouTube and more serious websites on topic, is not clear to us.

People believe hoaxes because they want to know something they shouldn't, they want to know something the common man doesn't, to make them smarter, and special. They want to talk down to people, telling them they sheep blindly believing the government, not realizing they themselves are sheep blindly believing in a guy on the internet.

Just because a lot of people believe something, doesn't give it credibility, there are many people who still believe the Moon landing was hoaxed, despite the monumental evidence against that claim. The fact that so many people believe 9/11 was an inside job makes me want to puke.

"The collapse looks just like a controlled demolition" except it looks nothing like a controlled demolition.

"Jet fuel can't melt steel beams" But it can weaken steel beams to the point of collapse

"There was no plane, it was a missile" Despite the footage stating otherwise

"Those planes you see are holograms" Seriously? (I am not making this up, people actually believe this.

"No plane hit building 7" but it was hit by a collapsing skyscraper

Not to mention the amount of people needing to be involved in this and not one credible leak.

But people believe it, despite all the claims being debunked for years now, because it makes them "smarter" than the general population. Not to mention that people actively want to believe the government is evil, and will try to find anything they can to back up that assertion. These paranoid idiots are the source of the theories, and the people wanting to be special believe them

A split on people's opinions, you say? Well, there's also split on if NASA actually went to the moon or not, or if the entire world is ruled by a race of shape-shifting lizardmen… or not. This isn't like a disagreement on which Beatles album is the best, but rather an issue grounded in actual facts.

And with that in mind, here are a few links for you.

[gathers popcorn]

Wow, someone presents you with a crazy conspiracy theorist thread and you immediately shut him down. It's like you want to be bored.

You guys didn't even try to debunk the good theories, like how they conveniently found the passports of the terrorists in the wreckage (and that those same passports are still currently being used in other countries)? The FBI excuse is that a mysterious random man the day after 9/11 was coming out of a building where the police were trying to interview people and handed to an officer but he was gone by the time the officer realized what it was. Poetic. Shakespearean, even.

Some of us just hate how many people cling to debunked theories in an attempt to appear superior.

Where is the link to this theory, the credible evidence this actually happened, and the reason why a passport being found in a wreckage proves 9/11 was an inside job?

"Peak Oil was the primary motive of the Bush regime for allowing and assisting the attacks. Without 9/11, it would have been impossible for the US to invade Iraq and take over their oil fields, which gives the US a dominant military position in the middle of the world's main oil production region as we pass the point of Peak Oil.

The first cabinet meeting of the Bush administration (after they stole the White House) included discussion of how they were going to attack Iraq. In the spring of 2001, the Cheney energy task force included examination of maps of Iraqi and other Persian / Arabian Gulf oil fields and which companies had drilling rights. Vice President Cheney was on record as knowing about Peak Oil before entering the White House, and presumably the oil company connected officials in their administration were also aware of this basic fact. The energy task force happened around the same time that warnings that 9/11 was imminent were pouring into the White House from close US allies and even from within the FBI (which had agents tracking the flight schools that some of the perpetrators were training at).

Peak Oil and 9/11 complicity are inseparable issues, even if most who focus on one or the other chose to look at them in isolation from each other."

This is one of the most common theories of the 9/11 conspiracy. Tell me what you think.

"Without 9/11, it would have been impossible for the US to invade Iraq and take over their oil fields"
Despite the stated reason, as in the reason they told the public to justify their actions, had nothing to do with 9/11, but the assertion that Saddam had WMD. 9/11 was not needed for that war, people only think it does because of the close dates and connection to the Muslim world.

{ the reason why a passport being found in a wreckage proves 9/11 was an inside job? }

Not all conspiracy theories assert that 9/11 was an inside job, but that would infer a government plant. Why would the only non-charred passports from the entire wreckage be terrorists, and why would one of them come from a mysterious guy who just randomly handed it to an officer and then magically disappeared into the sunset?

Google the rest of it? I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I've just heard a few. There are some stock market trends in the two airlines that got hijacked that would suggest insider traders knew something was about to cause that stock to come crashing down. The defense is "well yeah a lot of people made a lot of money off some well place put options but that doesn't mean they knew in advance it would happen.

Well, I only listed the popular ones that came to mind in my post, I stopped debunking these theories long ago when I realized that the people who believe in them will do so no matter what, so I really have no interest in looking up all the theories and finding explanations to them.

I don't believe 9/11 was an inside job or controlled demolition because that's fucking stupid. Let me tell you about what I think went down, in the form of a greentext story:

>Bush Administration gets word that something is about to happen
>Bush ignores it/lets it happen
>9/11
>Government capitalizes; passes PATRIOT Act, invades Iraq, yada yada yada
>Bush rides waves of sudden patriotism to re-election so he can make the US even more of a laughingstock and screw over the lower- and middle-class, especially the 'Muricans that vote Republican and don't realize they're effectively digging their own graves by doing so but don't care because muh freedumb

Don't you know that jet fuel can't melt dank memes?

Even if the government and corporations weren't behind 9/11, it is a still grave exploitation of the thousands of victims to initiate such things as patriot act, Afghanistan war and many other things which not only caused to multiply the amount of victims by a lot but also reducing all sorts of freedoms including privacy rights.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

@Erin

Stealing my quote are we… <.<

Have you guys seen the people that spread the inside job theory around and made it popular? (Or at least one of the prominent youtubers about it)

It was like a pair of edgy teenagers. I remember seeing an interview on these guys and they openly admitted that they fabricated their entire report for the sole purpose of fucking around. They laughed at 9/11 like it was a fucking joke. And they were damn well proud of it too

I remember how much I wanted to punch them in the face.

Whenever I see people talk about 9/11 being an inside job, I think about their pants being pulled down by those kids

@Lisa

Wow, someone presents you with a crazy conspiracy theorist thread and you immediately shut him down. It’s like you want to be bored.

Probably because society has already been over this for the past decade. People are tired of having to repeat the same arguments over and over to kids that seem to have only discovered the conspiracy theories yesterday. You only have to do minor googling to find every single theory is easily debunked

Never heard of that passport thing though.

Alex Jones says to just follow the money, since if someone made a lot of money from this, they probably did it.
So think about it, who probably made a huge profit from 9/11?…

Alex Jones!
From his books and podcasts and etc. He has made the most money from 9/11 by spreading around conspiracies. All this time he has been telling us that he did it by saying "follow the money" since, when we follow the money, it all goes right to Alex Jones!

I still don't know what happened to tower 7 though. Between reports, theories, and news reports not adding up, I still don't know what caused it to collapse. Anyone here know?

A building 400 feet from two collapsing skyscrapers got hit by falling debris, collapses a few hours later.
What a mystery

People are tired of having to repeat the same arguments over and over to kids that seem to have only discovered the conspiracy theories yesterday.

You are being too kind Butterscotch. These people aren't kids who just discovered the theories. These are people who have had their theories debunked for years but still cling to them because they can't fathom the possibility they are wrong

The farthest into the tin foil pool I'm willing to wade is the "Pearl Harbor theory"--that the government knew some shit was about to go down (if I remember correctly, Israel was raising the warning flags in August), but decided to look the other way for casus belli sake.

RyumaruBorike said:

People believe hoaxes because they want to know something they shouldn’t, they want to know something the common man doesn’t, to make them smarter, and special.

I think it's more an inability to believe something so tragic could happen. Thousands of people die because of box cutters and crazy bearded guys in caves. No way. There has to be more. There has to be some kind of malevolent conspiracy that's really happening.

Bane said:

I still don’t know what happened to tower 7 though…

Tower 7 was severely damaged by the collapse of the twin towers. This allowed fires to rapidly spread.

The building had a very odd structural design due to a Con Edison substation being located in it. It likely contributed to the building's quick collapse.


In addition, it didn't collapse all at once like it would if it was "pulled."

ITT:

Seriously tho, can't people just accept that not EVERYTHING has to be some kind of insane government conspiracy? Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar….

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I once saw a documentary saying that it was the aluminium body of the plane reacting with the amount of water that piled up from the sprinkler system. The theory (which was composed by metallurgists) states that the jet fuel burned (rather then exploded) at such high temperatures to melt the aluminium body of the aircraft (which was shredded on contact with the steel beams). Apparently, molten aluminium doesn't like large concentrations of water, which had piled up from the upper floor sprinkler system, and exploded with such force, that it finally destroyed the steel beams.

What do you people think of this theory?