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This thread is not just about the airstrike in kunduz, but a lot of injustice committed by the United States.Like these for example.

Although I agree that the US is guilty of war crimes I see this thread as being nothing more than an attempt to justify your own Islamic agenda.

>injustice committed by the United States

This isn't even a debate, just an incredibly transparent piece of propaganda that your trying to perpetuate.

@laika

I made this thread because barely anyone ever talks about it.

And where are you going with this? It's no secret that the US has committed crimes like these. As has the UK. As has Russia. As has Israel. As has Syria.

Is this a problem? Yes, definitely. The US may be a glaring example of hypocrisy, but you are just so blatantly pointing the finger it's not even funny. You're essentially the Arab version of Jolly Jew.

It’s no secret that the US has committed crimes like these

Is that really a reason to not talk about it? Also you compared me to jolly jew. The thing about Jolly Jew is that the US is a world superpower while Palestine doesn't even have a proper military.

The reason I differentiate is that just from a google search "who killed the most innocent people" I find this this link the US killed the most innocent people in the world. This is stuff that needs to be addressed, especially since it is the country you are living in.

And you all depress me.

Is that really a reason to not talk about it?

What do we have to talk about it? I genuinely do not know. What I was saying is if we already are aware of this, then what's the point of posting it? Why would we want to keep discussing a depressing situation that we already know about when we have our own lives to attend to? It is good to be aware of the sins of the US but there is no reason as to why threads like this should keep popping up on a site like KYM.

Also you compared me to jolly jew. The thing about Jolly Jew is that the US is a world superpower while Palestine doesn’t even have a proper military.

What I was comparing was how much you two love to stir up political threads like these. You always get up on your soapboxes and take sides. I'm sure someone can put this in better words than I can.

Also as a side note, I do not live in the US. And you also didn't need to make the dramatic double post.

Do you want to know what is so bad about nationalism? It is when one sides with a nation/tribe and unquestionably sides with them in every single conflict. No matter how unjust that nation is. I bring this up because you said this:

Why would we want to keep discussing a depressing situation that we already know about when we have our own lives to attend to

No one has stopped talking about assad or ISIS, so why stop with the US?

And it is only depressing if you side with the US.

No one has stopped talking about assad or ISIS, so why stop with the US

>all of kym is the same person
And the thing is, if the news of US bombing the hospital just broke and this was a discussion thread for it and US crimes in general I wouldn't mind. What is the problem however is how you just try to make discussions out of a topic like this out of nowhere. It is quite frankly irritating when people like you, JJ and lisalombs just post up political threads like these without thought.

Don't compare me to KYM's premier Jew vs. Muslim culture clash,
go ahead and find one of my threads that isn't based on a current event.

None of your conspiracy theory links have given a number.

Brown University's Cost of War analysis says ~210,000 civilians have died "as a result of war" in the Middle East, which are not solely US-caused deaths: { They are killed by the United States, by its allies, and by insurgents and sectarians in the civil wars spawned by the invasions. }

Assad has killed more of his own Syrian citizens than that in the past four years alone.

@stalemate

That was directly for you and everyone reading the thread. I started this thread because this was something I knew was happening but barely anyone talks about. And I also don't care about your feelings, I'll happily discuss controversial topics but what makes LisaLombs so hated is how she gives insane solutions to world problems.

@lisalombs

210,000 civilians have died “as a result of war” in the Middle East, which are not solely US-caused deaths

That does not change the fact that the US committed major warcrimes for the past decade or so. Your statement is the equivalent of news breaking out that a western soldier killed a mother and child and then saying "remember 9/11 though".

Assad has killed more of his own Syrian citizens than that in the past four years alone.

That is the equivalent of a prisoner that has been jailed 10 years ago for a mass-murder (killing 20), speaking to another recent murderous (killed 4) prisoner saying "you have killed more people than I have in the past 4 years, shame on you."

The logic you just used is just derailing and stupid.

If you are looking for the great, pure nation responsible for no atrocities, you will be searching for a long time.

I also don't expect any nation to get better. I've said before that I am preparing for the moral degradation of society.

One word: Vietnam

Millions of dollars and thousands of soldiers wasted…
Hundreds of soldiers who did not get help to reintegrate into society went berserk wich caused many tragedies…

The USA is proud of its army and their many victories but remains silent when confronted with this topic.

And what about the civil war? Bet there are more then enough of examples found there.

There you go eurofighter, REAL US warcrimes. They did horrible. All lands did horrible too, everyone was evil once. The end.
What's left to discuss is just dragging old cows out of the river.

Yes, they have commited war crimes, just like every other nation. Yes, war crimes are horrible.

What do you want to debate about again?

Liechtenstein maybe?

Eurofighter Typhoon said:

…I find this this link the US killed…

Your sauce 404'd.

…committed major warcrimes for the past decade or so.

Sauce? Because civilians dying in a war is not a war crime. They have to be: 1) intentionally targeted and 2) not participating in war activities.

That's why WW2 was so bad (and takes up most of that Wikipedia article). A total war policy meant just about everything civilians did counted as "war activities."

China. Always and forever China. Historically, in terms of wars, China has 3 out of the 5 most deadly conflicts in history. 20 to 30 million dying in each, as a low estimate. Mao Zedong himself was responsible for at least 49 million dead as a low estimate, 78 million as a high estimate.

Compare that to any conflict the US has been in solely, and you'll see the number completely dwarfed. But we don't talk about that anymore, because its not newsworthy to remind people that their current political grievances are not the be all and end all defining event in history.

As for your other points, I honestly don't see much of a point of answering it seriously. You've brought nothing to the table to really discuss, say for the fact that you think the US should be brought up on charges. I think a lot of countries should be brought up on charges, but won't. That's not how the world, nor the international community works.

You bring us a current event, we'll all agree probably that the US was wrong. Just like we do with Europe, the Middle East, Russia, or Asia, whenever they do something disagreeable. There will also be the inevitable poster who defends said action.

Don't expect us to all jump up and clap for just getting mad at this stuff. And definitely don't assume most of us who have the same reaction as we would with any other country are playing favorites.