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Let's say that you're a talk show host or a radio commentator and you say something that was a little offensive. Suddenly, the PC Crowd and SJWs want you to apologize or have your show cancelled in their online protest. Most of these personalities do apologize to the PC Crowd, but what happens if you don't. Would the FCC fine you? Would the network pull the plug on your show? Would your career be destroyed? If any of these things happened, could you file a suit defending your 1st Amendment claims?

Plenty of shows have been cancelled because their stars caused controversies. Talk shows, reality shows, sitcoms, everywhere. 19 Kids & Counting, all of Paula Deen's Food Network shows, they don't play 7th Heaven reruns anymore… Most recently relevant to your OP would be Flip It Forward, which was an HGTV show whose hosts had their past public opinions "exposed" by a left-wing watchdog and it was cancelled before it even aired even though they'd already taped it. Lots of those people have never been seen in the spotlight again. "The network" is not the government, so no, you couldn't sue over it on the basis of your 1st Amendment rights.

You could have a bunch of PC people looking up your personal information and contacting your boss to try and get you fired.

Heh. Read this as "PC Master Race." Anyway, I think the problem is that people get outraged and forget that there is a difference between giving consumer feedback and making bullshit demands. When a comic company does something stupid like, I don't know, marketing a new series as being about female empowerment, then hiring a pornographer to draw a variant cover of the first issue, criticism is warranted. But there is a line. "I do not approve of this decision and it will affect my future purchasing decisions" is valid. Demanding they change the cover is not.

Likewise, many companies have become pussies to oversensitive people. The dude that created Firefox was pressured to resign once it was revealed he donated to an anti-prop 8 group. That's why I don't use Firefox anymore. If they don't care about free speech, I don't care about them.

You suffer a Mac attack.

But in all seriousness, I feel like comparing and contrasting the proposed issue with the red scare could yield some insights, but it's nearly 4am, and I'm 99% sure I'll get at least one thing wrong, so I'll just throw out my thought without actually investing any effort into it.

It's not just the PC crowd anymore however. Any group can complain and companies fold to them just to avoid being sued by those groups, or having any sort of bas press. To bring up an tangentially related issue, gamergate and its infamous tactic of contacting advertisers to get them to pull revenue, digging up past actions of individuals, and boycotting media to demand it changed, are the exact same tactics the PC crowd has used for near a decade now.

The basic thing isnyou have to get lucky and have a company and boss whose smart enough to realize being offended doesnt equate neccisarily to revenue loss. Unfortunately, most don't realize this when it comes to the PC crowd complaints, so they csve in and give them what they want, thus telling other organized efflrts thst all you need to do tp get your way is raise a stink and people will fold to your demands.

And we wonder why people say humans are getting lazier and whinier.

I think the influence of PC is overexaggurated but I'm personally affected by a lot of their hypocrisy and that's annoying. I think honestly that PC is just part of the problem though. What's more worrying to me is that these people often tend to construct their own interpretation of how they think reality should be and will refuse to accept any evidence that shows that to the contrary.

What consistently strikes me about the PC crowd is how obsessed they are with "representation".

San Francisco middle school refuses to tell winners of election, students say principal believes winners are not diverse enough

{ While there was some diversity among the 10 winners, no English learners were elected, even though they make up about a third of enrollment. African American and Latino students were underrepresented, while white, Asian and mixed-race students, who are in the minority at the school, took the top four spots. }

The thing is though, students from a minority (white/Asian/mix) population in the school could only have gotten elected if majority (black/Latino) students voted for them. Now all of those students are being told that their votes are not PC enough to count because they voted for white and Asian kids who are probably the kind of nerds that want to be on a student council anyway.

Doxxing, Swatting, campaigns to get you fired…

Yes, because we all know GG hasn't done aaaaaany of that.

@snickerway
This isn't about gamer gate, just in general. Anyways, just because one group of people do that doesn't excuse the life ruination tactics that some SJWs use. It's a horrible thing to do no matter what.

@Snickerway
If i had a dollar for everytime you said that i would be the new rockfeller.

Remember Project Chanology?
Remember Operation Payback?
REMEMBER SOPA/PIPA/ACTA?

the protests…the news coverage…the whole internet standing up to defeat one foe…
Those were good times…

If you want to know what an internet crowd is capable of you should really look up the entries that cover the topics i mentioned above.

superjumpman, I don't know about all of those things but I'm pretty sure those internet laws had nothing to do with PC and instead had to do with copyright law. And in my opinion that's a much bigger problem than PC is.

@blind spy (I refuse to type that newfangled name of yours)

His point was about the power of an "internet mob" to affect things IRL, not about the "PC internet mob" specifically.

The progressive world view and narrative dominates the majority of the main stream media and popular television/internet/Hollywood/Silicon Valley culture. While the progressive types will often complain about being "oppressed" by the other end of the spectrum, they hold the majority of the power over public perceptions and they use that power to discredit any who challenge them. This power of theirs involves hit-pieces in the news, the theft of private information, and sometimes even big media pieces made against people who disagree with them (c.f. Hollywood movies that smear Christianity, conservatism, the American hegemony on the global stage, etc.)

True. This is more of a symptom of a crazed mob mentality in general, rather than the root of the problem of any specific ideology.
And while Snickerway did jump to conclusions, I think she deserves the benefit of the doubt this time around; considering she's been an active member for the last two years without just lurking in a single particular corner, the past year may have accidentally resulted in operant conditioning for her, due to one too many zealous self-identified gaters who weren't really on KYM to make friends or enjoy a rational debate (again, this is due to mob mentality in general, not the specific idea) when she encountered them on her usual meandering through the site.
Perhaps I'm subconsciously white-knighting because she's friendly, but I sincerely am just trying to defuse a potential flash point by providing some context that demonstrates there's no clear "bad guy" here. Plus, I'm about ready to pass out, so I don't care how dumb this post I'm writing is, even though I probably should and will when I rest and regain my senses.
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I am REALLY sorry for wasting everyone's time.

@snoopy

Perhaps I’m subconsciously white-knighting

Well at least you are aware of it. I wasn't saying anything against snickerway, just that this wasn't about gamer gate and that two wrongs don't make a right, especially when you are on the side the claims to be the morally upright side. Trying to destroy someone because you find them problematic is stupid.

You probably would not have a libel case and getting an FCC fine takes more than saying something minorly offensive. The network and advertisers may receive pressure and maybe they'll cave in and cut the program, but that's the full extent of it. Either way, it isn't that common. If it's somebody the PC crowd didn't like anyways, it's not going to be a huge deal. When Limbaugh fucked up, he lost some advertisers but there were plenty more there to support him. If it's somebody the PC crowd doesn't already have reason to dislike, it's not very hard to placate them. Some people were unhappy with Trevor Noah, and that sentiment against him has now evaporated completely.

It honestly depends on which you're dealing with. The PC crowd most of the time is harmless. They just see bad stuff in different places than most of use whether it's their or not. They will most of the time just complain on twitter or Tumble about cultural appropriation and rape in the media.you can just ignore them though many are very persistent and harassment is, if you ask me, a serious problem amongst such people.

And i write it didnt?
Because i didnt write that.

If you offend the PC Crowd, they will target your livelihood. They will try and find out where you work and try and get you fired from your job because you may possess unpopular opinions.

And Lisa is right, shows have been cancelled because of controversy. The PC crowd will target sponsors and backers of a particular show. Just look at what happened to Paula Deen – the PC crowd targeted her sponsors and said to them, "Paula Deen made racist comments in the past – you don't want to support a racist, right? That would look bad on you guys." So, like clockwork, companies pulled sponsorships from Paula Deen out of fear; guilt by association, as it were.