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martinprince12345 wrote:

Wait, do people still care about Gamergate 10 years later? I remember i really disliked everything related to Kotaku and thought of them as insufferable, smug and self-righteous, but that was years ago.

GeneHunt wrote:

Pic related is literally you

GeneHunt wrote:

Also I have no opinion about them because I almost never browse reddit but from what I have checked they seem alright with decent and fairly constructive posts.
Just compare it to r/gamingcirclejerk which is a complete cesspool.

GrassyBadge wrote:

Um, no offence, but that sounds like an opinion to me.

GeneHunt wrote:

Pic related is literally you

UngaDooda wrote:

$5 that the guy who drew this got pissed that people were telling him to stop posting culture war garbage and shut the fuck up

Toasty wrote:

oh boy im out of the loop.
whats going on

SwipeWire wrote:

Nothing, this was just supposed to be a discussion about the almost-official GamerGate subreddit.

Spaghetto wrote:

It's on Reddit, so it's innately cringe. However, as far as Reddit cringe goes, you could do far worse than KIA. It's like a fossil from when Reddit was a lot less terrible.

No!! wrote:

Imo discord is worse

SwipeWire wrote:

You're not wrong. All these things leave me wondering where to find a safe space other than this site.

No!! wrote:

We are surrounded by endless garbage

Mistress Fortune wrote:

My general opinion on KiA is the same as my opinion on GamerGate as a whole:

Started off with good intentions, but lost its way and became more of a movement for people on the extreme right to just bitch and moan about how straight white dudes aren't the only audience being catered towards anymore. The main reason I feel that way is GG's lack of any real "leadership" meant there was no gatekeeping against bad apples that wanted to spoil the bunch. Like I recall when GG first started people were actually accepting of LGBT+ folk and other minorities by saying "we do not like journos lumping all video game hobbyists in with bigots!" The problem is eventually groups such as the alt right viewed this as a way to infiltrate and take advantaged of misguided youth, and began appealing to the bad apples who really did treat GG as "an attack on white straight men." The inability to properly weed these bad folk out ultimately lead to a lot of the more reasonable voices being drowned out as now you had both the bad voices being amplified, and those very journos we were fighting against now had legitimate ammo they could use to show "see I told you GG is all about bigots complaining about minorities" and people like myself were nowhere near loud enough to drown either out.

As much as I do heavily disagree with the userbase of GamingCirclejerk, I'll have to bite the bullet and say I'd rather deal with a GCJ person than a KiA person as I have at least seen people on GCJ act more reasonably and change their tune when others point out they're in the wrong. KiA members are far too stubborn, and folks like them and /pol/ have even been invading other fanbases like Asmongold (it was quite weird once going on the Asmongold subreddit and seeing a lot of far right reactionary posts and a lot of users unironically using phrases like "the west has fallen" or saying things like "what's wrong with racism?" and getting high upvotes for said comment, and sadly Asmon himself has fallen in to this far right reactionary rabbit hole going by all the thumbnails and titles of his videos for basically the past year).

Mistress Fortune wrote:

My general opinion on KiA is the same as my opinion on GamerGate as a whole:

Started off with good intentions, but lost its way and became more of a movement for people on the extreme right to just bitch and moan about how straight white dudes aren't the only audience being catered towards anymore. The main reason I feel that way is GG's lack of any real "leadership" meant there was no gatekeeping against bad apples that wanted to spoil the bunch. Like I recall when GG first started people were actually accepting of LGBT+ folk and other minorities by saying "we do not like journos lumping all video game hobbyists in with bigots!" The problem is eventually groups such as the alt right viewed this as a way to infiltrate and take advantaged of misguided youth, and began appealing to the bad apples who really did treat GG as "an attack on white straight men." The inability to properly weed these bad folk out ultimately lead to a lot of the more reasonable voices being drowned out as now you had both the bad voices being amplified, and those very journos we were fighting against now had legitimate ammo they could use to show "see I told you GG is all about bigots complaining about minorities" and people like myself were nowhere near loud enough to drown either out.

As much as I do heavily disagree with the userbase of GamingCirclejerk, I'll have to bite the bullet and say I'd rather deal with a GCJ person than a KiA person as I have at least seen people on GCJ act more reasonably and change their tune when others point out they're in the wrong. KiA members are far too stubborn, and folks like them and /pol/ have even been invading other fanbases like Asmongold (it was quite weird once going on the Asmongold subreddit and seeing a lot of far right reactionary posts and a lot of users unironically using phrases like "the west has fallen" or saying things like "what's wrong with racism?" and getting high upvotes for said comment, and sadly Asmon himself has fallen in to this far right reactionary rabbit hole going by all the thumbnails and titles of his videos for basically the past year).

Mistress Fortune wrote:

My general opinion on KiA is the same as my opinion on GamerGate as a whole:

Started off with good intentions, but lost its way and became more of a movement for people on the extreme right to just bitch and moan about how straight white dudes aren't the only audience being catered towards anymore. The main reason I feel that way is GG's lack of any real "leadership" meant there was no gatekeeping against bad apples that wanted to spoil the bunch. Like I recall when GG first started people were actually accepting of LGBT+ folk and other minorities by saying "we do not like journos lumping all video game hobbyists in with bigots!" The problem is eventually groups such as the alt right viewed this as a way to infiltrate and take advantaged of misguided youth, and began appealing to the bad apples who really did treat GG as "an attack on white straight men." The inability to properly weed these bad folk out ultimately lead to a lot of the more reasonable voices being drowned out as now you had both the bad voices being amplified, and those very journos we were fighting against now had legitimate ammo they could use to show "see I told you GG is all about bigots complaining about minorities" and people like myself were nowhere near loud enough to drown either out.

As much as I do heavily disagree with the userbase of GamingCirclejerk, I'll have to bite the bullet and say I'd rather deal with a GCJ person than a KiA person as I have at least seen people on GCJ act more reasonably and change their tune when others point out they're in the wrong. KiA members are far too stubborn, and folks like them and /pol/ have even been invading other fanbases like Asmongold (it was quite weird once going on the Asmongold subreddit and seeing a lot of far right reactionary posts and a lot of users unironically using phrases like "the west has fallen" or saying things like "what's wrong with racism?" and getting high upvotes for said comment, and sadly Asmon himself has fallen in to this far right reactionary rabbit hole going by all the thumbnails and titles of his videos for basically the past year).

Mistress Fortune wrote:

My general opinion on KiA is the same as my opinion on GamerGate as a whole:

Started off with good intentions, but lost its way and became more of a movement for people on the extreme right to just bitch and moan about how straight white dudes aren't the only audience being catered towards anymore. The main reason I feel that way is GG's lack of any real "leadership" meant there was no gatekeeping against bad apples that wanted to spoil the bunch. Like I recall when GG first started people were actually accepting of LGBT+ folk and other minorities by saying "we do not like journos lumping all video game hobbyists in with bigots!" The problem is eventually groups such as the alt right viewed this as a way to infiltrate and take advantaged of misguided youth, and began appealing to the bad apples who really did treat GG as "an attack on white straight men." The inability to properly weed these bad folk out ultimately lead to a lot of the more reasonable voices being drowned out as now you had both the bad voices being amplified, and those very journos we were fighting against now had legitimate ammo they could use to show "see I told you GG is all about bigots complaining about minorities" and people like myself were nowhere near loud enough to drown either out.

As much as I do heavily disagree with the userbase of GamingCirclejerk, I'll have to bite the bullet and say I'd rather deal with a GCJ person than a KiA person as I have at least seen people on GCJ act more reasonably and change their tune when others point out they're in the wrong. KiA members are far too stubborn, and folks like them and /pol/ have even been invading other fanbases like Asmongold (it was quite weird once going on the Asmongold subreddit and seeing a lot of far right reactionary posts and a lot of users unironically using phrases like "the west has fallen" or saying things like "what's wrong with racism?" and getting high upvotes for said comment, and sadly Asmon himself has fallen in to this far right reactionary rabbit hole going by all the thumbnails and titles of his videos for basically the past year).

SwipeWire wrote:

A Quora user gave an interesting reason for the way KiA is now:
"Most people don’t consider the large female and trans presence within gamergate or the whole ‘not your shield’ arc of the gamergate era. Due to this publicity, when the cesspool that was The Donald was axed on Reddit guess where all its refugees fled to? The moderators used to have a strict framework of operation, a point system for posts, but all that was swept away in the tide."

qx1511 wrote:

So KiA started to really deteriorate when r/The_Donald got nuked and everyone there moved to KiA? Huh.
I think another reason why KiA fell off is as Games Journos fell into irrelevancy and the "male feminist allies" got exposed as being creeps themselves, most people on KiA moved on with their lives (even if they didn't bother unsubscribing from the subreddit), while some of the "old guard" that still stayed did unfortunately get radicalized.

Bullshit in the video gaming space (especially with AAA) is still happening, but at this point, I think the usefulness of the KiA subreddit as the vehicle to discuss and deal with them (including stuff like censorship) has decreased. And as Chewybunny notes above, the AAA space isn't really in great shape, so it seems like gaming won't be as centralized as it was before.

Steve wrote:

Did it really start out with good intentions? Given what we know about Milo Greeklastname and Breitbart now, they inserted themselves at the very beginning to get people to join the far right (this came from the mouth the owner, Steve Bannon, himself)

Derptastic Derp Man wrote:

People still care about gamer gate?

FatmanAss wrote:

Yup. I believe Milo wasn't an alt-right and disgusting freak back then.
Also, I am one of those guys who wish Gamergate stuff never happened in the first place.

Cesar Acuña wrote:

Yes and, as someone worried about how incoming generations might perceive it, i was expecting this site to at least do something in retrospect (as it was one of the very few mainstream sites who covered neutrally the whole fiasco as it developed), but it seems the staff distanced themselves from the issue as the entry had their comment section turned off

I wish we could have gone beyond the meme documentation (i've noticed that some of the older videos are becoming lost media) and start compiling first-hand experiences of the people involved (like some sort of truth commision to clarify past events) as many of them are now deceased or faded into irrelevancy.

Derptastic Derp Man wrote:

I thought Jim is retiring from the Internet shit and choosing to go into hospice because of cancer?

Derptastic Derp Man wrote:

People still care about gamer gate?

Zigzagoon wrote:

Mixed opinions, but mostly because some of the posters will put some relevant things not found elsewhere. They talked about SBI before it really hit the mainstream. Like, at least a month+ before. Would talk about other things in AC Shadows that I didn't see much elsewhere (like how Ubisoft put a random current day japanese organization's flag into their game because…. ?) Unfortunately 90% of the discussion isn't that great and you have to sift through it.

For some reason, they have a strange unrealistic idolization of Japan. You know how real weaboos used to be a huge thing? I'm not talking about people who like anime, I'm talking about people who think Japan is just like anime, and that when they move and live there they'll totally be accepted and not mocked for being a weird otaku? Imagine exactly that, but add an anti-wokeness factor to it. It usually comes out with how they talk about Japanese companies or japanese games, which apparently need to be protected from western influence (as if there wasn't already a lot already.) I don't even like ESG and still think the way it's talked about is out of touch with reality.