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But then after the clocktower scene they realize that Goncharov was never real
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![Goncharov sreegs Disco Elysium CONCEPTUALIZATION - The hanged man behind a hostel. A stoning. The red-headed child. This all seems familiar to you. ENCYCLOPEDIA [Formidable: Success] - This setup is exactly like the opening scene of the film "Goncharov" directed by Martin Scorsese. It won several awards and is considered by many critics to be one of the best mafia cinescopes of all time. YOU - This is just like Goncharov. KIM KITSURAGI - Goncharov? What's that? CUNO - This idiot hasn't seen Goncharov! DRAMA He doesn't even know what Goncharov *is*.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/482/479/57f.jpg "Disco Elysium and Goncharov")
![cosmiccomma Follow Nov 20 ENCYCLOPEDIA [Trivial: Failure] - You recall a movie, directed by one Martin Scorsese. The tagline is emblazoned on the inner tongue of one of the many pairs of shoes you have acquired during your stay in Martinaise. LOGIC [Medium: Success] - If this movie has been immortalized by this pair of boots, (until the shoes deteriorate, that is) it must be an incredibly popular movie. Surely, everyone has seen it. VOLITION [Easy: Failure] - You need to ask the lieutenant how he feels about this movie. Immediately. YOU - You remove your shoe and show the inside of it to your partner. "Hey, Kim. Is this a good movie?" KIM KITSURAGI - He looks at the shoe, clearly slightly perturbed by its presence directly in his face. Then, he looks up at you and blinks, confused. "Detective, I am not quite certain this movie exists." DRAMA [Trivial: Failure] - He's lying to you, sire. He's just never seen this movie, and is embarrassed to admit it to you. This idiot hasn't seen Goncharov.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/482/437/962.jpg "Harry doing his usual")
![Goncharov Lore ("Gonchlore" if you will) Masterpost Note: this is regarding the lore made up by tumblr collaboratively about a fake Martin Scorsese film. See the post that started it all and fake poster. 1. Goncharov was released in 1973. It was written by Matteo JWHJ 0715 and directed (?) and/or possibly co-written by Martin Scorsese. Scorsese's big name helped popularize the film, but as a result JWHJ 0715's significant contribution is often overlooked 2. Goncharov was forgotten and was actually difficult to acquire for many years. This may have been due to corporations hoarding rights and access, the actually mafia targeting distribution of the film, other factors, or a combination of these. This led to pirating of the film, which allegedly led to pirating discourse surrounding the film 3. There are talks of a Goncharov II or remake 4. Goncharov is a mafia boss in Naples of Russian origin. His wife/fiancée is named Katya, also of Russian origin. Goncharov may or may not have fled Russia, and may or may not have been pursued by someone trying to get him back to Russia, possibly to face legal justice. One such person trying to do this could be Valery Michailov 5. Valery Michailov in Katya's sister. He may resent Goncharov due to his relationship with his sister and due to Goncharov being wanted by the Russian government. He is somewhat patriotic, possibly a former government worker or soldier. 6. Katya's last name is either Michailova or Goncharova (although possibly with the wrong suffix). Her relationship with Goncharov is strained, tense, and possibly loveless. She ends up betraying him in the end. This is often seen as a subversion on the typical tropes for women in mafia movies. 7. At some point, Katya is on a bridge with Goncharov. At some point, Katya points a gun at Goncharov. At some point, Katya is injured on a boat/in a boathouse. 8. Katya is amicable with someone named Sofia, who has brown hair. She also has subtextual homoerotic tension with her 9. Sofia may be working class/poorer than many of the other characters are. 10. Goncharov has subtextual homoerotic tension with someone named Andrey. Andrey is Goncharov's old friend/best friend/nemesis/enemy/competitor. There is at least one instance of one of them trying to kill the other. 11. Ice pick Joe is played by John Cazale, making this his 6th movie. He has a famous 10 minute scene with Katya, and at some point dies, also possibly at the hands of Katya. 12. Mario Ambrosini works with Goncharov, possibly as a lackey or number two. At some point in the middle of the story, he betrays Goncharov and Goncharov tells him that he "never wants to see [Mario] again". It is unclear what happens to him after that. Mario also has a relationship with Andrey that some have described as "fascinating". It is unclear how. 13. There is a clock motif in Goncharov, and a general theme regarding "running out of time" before death. There are a few characters who seem at the very least subconsciously aware of the fact that they have little time until their death. The film also deals with the theme of fate, of death and tragedy being and inevitable thing for these characters. 14. Goncharov dies at the end of the movie, due to someone's betrayal. 15. Goncharov (1973) was heavily influenced by the American Cold War propaganda of the time. Some argue that it plays right into the stereotypes of Russians, others say it is a clever subversion of the propaganda and stereotypes of the time. Feel free to add more/expand/add alternative information!](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/482/172/77e.jpg "Goncharov Lore Masterpost by tsscat")
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