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![Or what's the oolest/fmlashiest thing you've seen a GS do? 60 “mments submitted at 20:59:47 on Aug 20, 2014 by ms anedst put holy water on my junk and 5σ ewed a 5ucabus to death. Darmon or not, if I was your GM, that would have nstantly dianged your agarant to 'EM" regardess of what you'd done before. Probably would have not let you go EDIT: A flask of holy water does 2d4 damage... A sucaubus has 84 health. On average, you'd have to have reappied the holy water roughly 17 tmes just to gat har to o HP, and then 4 more times as they have 20 CON. That's f------ hornifying m.an. What the f---? Did you xpect him to only trust ona? ( *) succubi usa "acts of passon·to dan the energy from ther prey. This s basicaly a method of survival αnsumption that may, or may not, be stridby noassay. If he ware jabbing an aod power sword into the mouth of a dragon (othar than a black dragon), as it attemp ted to eat him, there would be no question of impropriaty. So Becusejabbing the aad power sword into the mouth of the dragon would be quidk; fudking a sunbus to death with holy water would take far longr, and would require the sumubus to be hepless (such as tad up) and then the... "utionar"... would would have to f-- her to death ovar the course of several minutes at hast, reapplyng the holy water about 21 times, and contrue to f--- h『as hα nsides turn to sludge. No doubt th would prompt some fairly horrifying saeans of pan from the suco bus which the exea toner would then nore. Don't get me wrong; if he had put holy watar on his sdlong as a defonse modansm ag괘nst the suonbus, and thon stabbed hor while she was reakng from the But praneditatad GX trana torture-r--- that mntinues until he sgures she's dead? Dude, that's sd. Doesn't matter how evil the sucubus s, that sort of thing quite samply not something a Good 〔or evonatra) aligned person does. Its vary obviously an act. Tm sorry, but I can't seam to fnd the rules on f------ a suomibus to death with holy water lube. what page is that on? What damage dioe does it use? I an only find the r >A drect hit by a flask of holy water deals 2d4 points of damage to an undead creature or an evil outsider Yeah, there's no opick rude on it. You know, weat that means? tt meㄺs Rule。trumps. we ar, only work o" of the rformation given, as we have no id:ea how the OMresolved it. we only know he did a 'tade to black and said it worked. Personaly, 1 ike to think he Rule O'd that the succubus screamed and melted, a la the wicked Witch of the West, but you're welcome to your interpretation. I think it's unlikely that he ruled 버atin 뾔e of bσeen period, the d aracter broke out the manades and ②nsnaaky reapplied kbe untihe f----- K to death on 204 damage a round, as anyone that and would undoubtedy undermine te fade-to-back by domandng grapple decks, strength and escape tist decks, and maybe breaking out the FATAL ruleset, just for completaness sake 1-1 I was just using the damage dioe given there; 204 damage, giving an average of S damage for a direct hit, and then taking a normal sucoubus heath (84, I rk k was) and figuring out how many direct hits on average she could take. Fading to black just hㅲdwaves 버e detals of it.. Handy for wh,ㅲ you don't wort to or don't need to consid it, but if you do, then what I preseted would be the most straghtforward way to do it; apply holy wate, d--- it until she apparantly stops 9σ eating (mp lying the holy water is gone), rnse repeat The guy who posted did not mantion anything out manades at al, so unless you were also a player r that campaign, we an't assume that was induded. Fade-to-black would not have worked in that sonao ㄲere is no fuding way the sumbus woukd just le stil dunng that, and you annot kait wit a inga application (itd be ike trying to coup-de-gracoing a dragon with a dagger while it sloaps... Sure, it might do some damaga, but you would not be bla to kli it with nothing but the dagger). Using the rules as best you an the best thign you can do in out-of-rues situation Wce that. So yeah, grappling hecks, stranght checks, probably a ful fledged combat (unless he had her restrained) would be the most realistic thing that'd happen Aso, you are the one who seem to want to twis t Pathfinder into Fatal, using r--- as an instakil weapon... If you were the GM and nuled it like that, what wouid prevent the players from doing it again to instakill any suabus they enounter? Or anything ese vanerable to that. Or hey, maybe just get something immune to aod and then do the same just wht normal aod! Humans would be way easier to deal with ike that, don't you think? No, ayone who consi s this even remotely okay should take a moment to tirk西out what they a. actually advocating: prolonged torture and r---, during which the subject is screaming in agony, and then continuing after htey pass out fom the pain unil they stop breathing ト] He knowingly d wilngly engaged with a σeature with the expidt rtent onkiling her via r---. Pσ3pectve my ass, he's fud ng evi, and he doesn't have was he though the Sumbus was the one to suggest 5ex in the first place, he yust defrded himself by poisonng t weapon, if the sumbus hadn't tried to drain his ife- force through sex and basically attempt to murder him, he wouldn't have f----- her with holy watesr He saved himself and countless others from her effects. The creature was the one dong the r4ng. it's iteraly the equndert of using that emet power to to poison your fesh to defend form when dragon eats you, and then arresting the chemist for poisoning the dragon.Just becaus e the aldhemist knowingy did it on purpose, doesn't make him the bad guy here He has a fuding gur. Hechose, instead, to r---』aeature to death in the most agoniang way he “udon short nooal y the f--- are you trying ape? Because it's not r---. Yes he αuldve have tried fight ng it, but ther, the suoo bus could've run away, or worse. He aeated a tr卲for the sucubus as it tried to r--- him, that pretty much ensured victory. And ike others are pointing out, the succubus was iterally trying to r--- him to death. He wasn't the one in that group that woke up that day and thought "Hmm, I'm gonna trick a few guys into having sex with me And lke I've been trying to say, it's not black and white. I agree that it ould be more axcessve than soma other plans to atch it off guard but it's not 100% ed. ist boa usa'm saying that doesn't mean I think it wa; a good act, Ike you seem to be assuming rm saying. rm just tryng to say that it's not noonssarty something that warrants maing your daracter eel for dong it. It was antraly 100% the suoatus' fat for that happening, and Id deiniboly slot it as Noutral in my book as his actions were entrely reactionary. If he was a good character I woulde probably slotted him down to neutral, or panaized him some other way, but if he was aready neutral, I would've let it side just fine We realy don't know anything from the brief sentence desaibing the event. Gun or no gun? R--- or no r---? Intant on the part of the player? Howe", te possiblity ex sts that he had no gun and that it was not an act of r--- Uniess someone has ns σ knowledge of the game. .. Also, I think a twide-toe p례adr could totally pull this off as a defensive measure wit, some duration erharang metamagc. So he's not evil because he liter ally did what a Chao tic Evil areature was going to do to him, despite it being an overtly evil action, because he can't apparently just draw a gun and shoot her in the face ust to get ths der, te gunslinger r---- a σeature to death and you're trying to pu off Olympic-level mental gymnastics to say that r----- ature to death isnt evil because she asked for it. I don't know, it'd basically equate to tor turing an evil areature. While still an evil act, keep in mind that you can do some evil acts without a change of alignment, I m.ean, nobody but a paladin is good aW the time. If he was neutral, Id let it pass with no questions asked Yeah it's like burning their loins aive, but what about whan a wizard casts a basic aad spell and such, if you think about it, a lot of things you can do normally would be considered pretty bru tal. And if you already would use holy water aganst tham normally, what's so evil about doing it in a weak spot? I mean, it's their fault for getting into that position anyways. It might be a d--- move to stab a guy in the nuts, but this creature was far from innocant. I mean,I cn think of far worse things you an do to aguy that is still considered ok by Pathfindar than doling out the ironic punishment of f------ a f--- damon to deach. e youre r----- them both sides consented and ware planningeach other's murder before tha xaeven on the tabl. What's so dffarent batwean you murdaring tham now with holy water, which would ve bean considered perfectly alright to do and just as painful and whatnot, and murdering them than with holy water when she was t off the fact that they ware having sax is irr levant given the craimstances. Yes, if this person evar did an equivalant to someone ese that wasn't going to murder then, it'd be evi as fud. And rm not sang t's 100% not ed, as it's stil slightly mora torturous than a normal ambat might be. But based on how agmant works in Pathfindar, at the vary least a Neutral character could easty get away with it with no algnment problams. This is no difforent than an asaesin using sex to get dose to someone to murder them. Hall, that's basically what the succubus would've done had she not been stopped, but wth mind-control and s--- you'ro aguy in The reason why I would instantly change this guys algnement woudl be that the torture would have to be planned of holy water. And than, to do as he stated he did, he would have to r--- her with aod until she died. That's at least 2 minutes and 6 so nds if you only count a As for using othar aod stuff That's not the evi part. Casting瀏aod spol, or throwng aval of holy water at a domon self-defense, or even offense, isn't e ! Stabbing a guy in the nuts would be a d--- move, but notevil Pouring aad over them while he was tied pull off ike this ongσ tha that too. t mearty this evil several minutes until he dies of shock and blood lbss, the fact that vtat the poster did: would neos ey i 5everal minutes and be preplanned that makes this such It could be worse though; I do not know the guys mo tives for killing the sucoubus such. If there was aparticular reason for doing so, then... well, I would need know that reason to judge. But, if sword and “up-de-graced her when he got her bed up, instead of 51owdy torturing to death etty clear that he didn't d f that. The DM just made it an instant this it was like, or dse th would've allowed a fade to bladk without some grapple checks and I highly doubt he had a bunch of holy water just lying round that he was able to sneak into the F you did all that stuff, then yeah it would be evl, but they obviously didin't consider that, so in this instance it was just a deaver way to kill a demon with 1 va of holy Of maybe when it faded to black he just dumped a budket of holy water on her face and kolled her that way, sesing as everyone here is interpreting the events differently when no actual detak have been given. 2d4 is how much it hurts trom the outside. Td rule it's worse inside. The equivaent of a freball on your shiald va. In your mouth. at the very least the equivalent of an auto arit. Id say you hit the weak spot for massive damage Unless t k北thom nstanty, its 데 pretty horrifying. Even double the damage (4d4) would mean you'd be down to about 10 reappkatons of holy water. And for the first and last time in her life, the sucaubus' loins burnt for a mortal The Boys And Crash- Not realy. She was trying to tempt the party, s0 1 obliged. I just have in ter esting tas te in lube We did a fade to black after Istar ted, the GM gave me points for creativity - CearyDigit-3 Points 05618 21 August C-1 Nope. We were fairly new to the game and it didn't ocour to him People don't say those ant-rapespiked condom things are r---. Same thing in my book h-------- this is amazing. 2013- Not associated with reddit](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/list/000/840/443/8ff.png "8ff.png")
![[-] from knOthin[AJ [N] [H] to /r/science/ sent S hours ago hi the new catch-all email for AMAs on reddit is AMA@reddit.com, which is being staffed by a team of people who will triage and help verify when necessany Ellen told me you all had some q I-1 from firedrop[4171 [Ant-rope-ologist (4/17/2014)] [H] via /r/science/ to knothing sent 5 hours ago Alexis, Thanks for getting back to us. Yes, last night we were in the middle of coordinating an AMA with Stephen Hawking. Since Victoria is now gone our first priority is to ensure that someone has reached out to his people and is mediating the situation. We also don't know where we stand with the specifics Victoria was working out for us. Moving forward we also need to know who will be taking over the many things Victoria did for us emails, analytics, PR, c etc. -1 to knothing [N] [H via r/science/sent 5 hours ago Science AMAs moving forward to knOthing [H] sent 18 minutes ago We were right in the middle of setting up an AMA with Steven Hawking when I don't know what happened. 1) We need the contact info for Hawking's people to continue the set up, 2) I need to know how I am going to get analytics and general support for AMAs going forward. We have the entire month of July booked with AMAs and half of August, and our AMA process just got irreparably broken. I-] from knti[A][N] DH] via /r/science/ sent 5 hours ago Did you see my reply? The Hawking AMA is still going as planned. AMA@reddit.com is your point of contact for AMA (N) [H] via Frankly, this isn't a reply at all, it's kind of an insult. You might as well go with Can we please keep the discussion [-] from 困n [Ant-rope-elogist (4/17/2014)] [H] via /r/science, to knothing -sent hours ago - Sorry you must have replied to someone else. I did not receive a reply. Nallen will contact ama@reddit.com to coordinate or simply see if it is better if we take over from here. [-] from Chonun [N] [H] via /r/science/ to firedrops- n sent 5 hours ago , Thank you! Whatever works best for you all. [A1 IN] [H] via /r/science sent S hours ago Moving forward we also need to know who will be taking over the many things Victoria did for us emails, You're going to have to be more specific. We already have a team at reddit that does promotion and press outreach for AMAS. What else were you expecting? permalink source spam remove report block user mark unread mod reply full comments [-] from Chorw) [N] [H] via /r/science/ to firedrops- n sent hours ago . [-] from MMM n [Ant-ope ologist (4/17/2014)) [H] via /r/science, to knothing -sent 4 hours ago - Victoria handled all of our follow up emails, she reached out to contacts we couldn't, brought us people for AMAs, and was available to answer questions as an admin to the scientists who were unsure/uneasy about the AMA. She was great at holding the hands of scientists participating in the AMA process. And she responded quickly, professionally and warmly to their questions and concerns, Frankly the email load was way too much for us-without her we couldn't the and quality of AMAs we do now. She was also able to provide analytics specific to a single AMA for the PR people at universities and corporations associated with the scientists. We often directed them straight to her and she worked to figure out what they needed. She also helped manage the technical aspects of complex AMAs like Hawking where the typical setup won't work. -1 from Deomammer45INI [H] via /r/science/ to firedrops[+171 sent 4 hours ago To add to that, A single catch all email might be detrimental to our AMAS. Many of our AMA guest are older and very busy, they likely will not respond well to bunch of different people answering their emails instead of consistent point of Will all emails be handled by a single person or will it be whoever is not busy at the time? [-] from GM OR D 머·n [Ant-rope ologist (4/17/2014)) [H] via /r/science, to Doomhammer458 -sent 4 hours ago Yes, this is important. They want a single person who will respond promptly and personally. It is OK if it isn't the same person for every AMA but it is important it isn't email by committee permalink source spam remove report block user mark unread mod reply full comments [.] from Moon.) · [M) [H] via /r/science/ to firedrops Ein sent 4 hours ago Thank you. Great. This is not email by committee. We're just here to help coordinate the Hawkings of the worldnot step on toes, just help assist in areas where reddit inc can add value. [-) from Cadenn tN] [H] via /r/science/ to Doomh ammer45S -sent 4 hours ago · A single person w [-1 from moes tN] tH] via /r/science/ to fredrops n sent 4 hours ago . Victoria handled all of our follow up emails: Yep She reached out to contacts we couldn't: No problem, email AMAM with requests Brought us people for AMAS: Can do Was available to answer questions as an admin to the scientists who were unsure/uneasy about the AMA: Yes, AMAO She was great at holding the hands of scientists participating in the AMA process: Where necessary, we can help, but we're also aware that a lot of these scientists are quite comfortable typing And she responded quickly, professionally, and warmly to their questions and concerns: Definitely! Frankly the email load was way too much for us without her we couldn't have the frequency and quality of AMAs we do now: We're going to be working hard to get this right. [-] to kn ing [N] 메 via /r/science, sent 3 hours ago Frankly, you managed to burn through years of goodwill in an afternoon here, quite the accomplish really Let's walk step by step through today: Received word of the action. We didn't understand, but hey, that's life. AMA No to No Responded to a mod mail from Ellen Pao Our questions were ignored with a response typical of HR at a large corporation. Received the same response asking us the message the admins. /u/krispykrackers[+2] responds to a message, asking me to message the admins, ignoring all of my questions. to you modmail with our q Actually sent an email to AMA@reddit.com Ask our questions a gain ina We take /r/science private. We get this response, which is Send an email to the admins, repeated 8 times. We stood by you when FPH was removed, because we understood that it wasn't about censorship but it was about behavior. We reach out to groups that think reddit is a hive of villainy, and convince them to come and talk anyway. Then you remove one of the only people who reliably responds to messages out, someone who made it basically possible to conduct AMAs, which makes the quiet hard working mods of reddit suffer What I don't think you quite grasp here is that reddit doesn't have any credibility when it comes to responding to users or mods, so asking us to "just send an email" is defacto telling us to get bent. It's one day old and we already KNOW that the response You're going to have to do much better than this. Remember, you don't pay any of us, what works for managing a group that you pay doesn't apply to social contracts, something you may want to keep in mind, especially since you simply can't perform the job that 1 do for free, and you can't afford my salary! (I've been in middle management at a huge company, please don't try to use those tactics on me) from I-1 from knOthig [A] [N [H] via /r/science/ sent 3 hours ago Ah, that's because the contact info for Hawking's team is in Victoria's inbox history. That's going to take a minute to find, but we're absolutely still making sure that happens permalink source spam remove report block user mark unread mod reply ful comments [-] to knouhing [N] 메 via /r/science, sent 3 hours ago You're going to have to do much better than this. [-) from NALOD n [Ant-r----siosist (4/17/2014)] [H] via /r/science, to knothing . sent 2 hours ago She was supposed to work with them today on details and dates. Did someone do that? [-) from Cadeun [N] [H] via /r/science/ to fredrops- n sent 2 hours ago · We're [-1 from utred 国an [Ant-r--- ologist (4/17/2014)] [H] via /r/sciencn/ to knoshing -sent 2 hours ago · Can you share the contact info with us? At this point it might simplify things if we handle it. [-1 from moes-n . [N] [H] via /r/science/ to fredrops n sent 2 hours ago . There's nothing to simplify, we have the relationship and we'll let you know next steps. -] from iredrops 4171 [Ant-rope-ologist (4/17/2014)] [H] via /e/science/ to knöthing sent 2 hours ago Earlier you said it was fine if we handled it directly, I'm confused why you've changed your mind? We haven't even set dates yet. We need to coordinate with our mod team because it will take multiple days and more attention than usual. We hadn't even finalized the format of the AMA yet. She was checking on specific questions as to whether he wanted to release one response at a time or all at once. There are so many more logistics than usual. I-1 from Inaftall (+41[NI [H] via /r/science/ to knothing sent an hour ago There's nothing to simplify, we have the relationship and we'll let you know next steps. Well, handling it directly ourselves might be simpler since everything is a bit in upheaval now. While your change in staff sort of pulls the rug out from us in terms of AMA support at least in the short term, we can certainly handle that Saying there is nothing to simplify is just not true. Cutting out middlemen might be helpful in this scenario. Also, it's quite an abrasive thing to say, especially because there are ways it might be simpler. Perhaps y'all aren't interested in simplifying it or you think there would be more negatives than positives, but if that's the case you are addressing the issue in the most dismissive way](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/list/000/987/786/bfb.jpg "Leaked conversation from kn0thing and the /r/science mods")
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