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Just got warned over it, and I won't dispute it. I admit, I linked to a pron flash off-site, but have you guys been to the Hentai Quotes gallery? It's pretty much expected for people to post links to source material over there! Hell, it's considered bad form if you refuse to!

I'm not even mad, I just think it's sort of silly. If you're going to enforce that rule, having an article on hentai quotes, where sources will be requested without fail, is just an exercise in futility.

That's my two cents. Take it or leave it. I'll still be around commenting on all the things.

If sources are requested, that's too bad. Not only do they violate our NSFW guidelines, the pictures on which they are usually requested (AKA full pages of censored porn, not just bizarre contextless quotes) are irrelevant to the gallery. Also, using the rest of the gallery to justify your actions? Really?

I'll look into the gallery, though; thanks for the tip.

we try our best, there are a butt ton of comments on the site and mods can't see them all. so go take your smug "why even bother" attitude on down the road, bud. people who post links to offsite pornography will be warned and suspended like any other rule infraction. the only thing that's "silly" is you making a thread to belittle our moderation team instead of trying to follow the rules like a regular user.

It’s pretty much expected for people to post links to source material over there! Hell, it’s considered bad form if you refuse to!

Yeah, with just putting the name of the doujin/artist in the notes is more than enough.

And the rules are very clear:

• No porn or gore. Do not upload adult content to the website or post it to any area of the site. External links to sites containing such content, or advertisements for such, will be censored at the discretion of moderators, unless it is absolutely vital to meme research discussions and accompanied by a clear [NSFW] warning label.

↑ To be fair, in their current wording, the rules aren't completely clear. They do state that:

External links to sites containing such content will be censored at the discretion of moderators.

Which could be read as they are permissible such that they are relevant to the topic/discussion. This being inferred since they are not explicitly banned in the wording.

As we heavily encourage including source links in the note descriptions of image, this could be considered "relevant" to "meme research" for the purpose of documentation. That being said, I do side with leaving the Henati Quotes gallery at strictly putting the name of the doujin/artist in the notes. Google should provide the rest if a user really desires original context of the quotes.

I just received an email warning saying i had posted a porn link on an image i haven't even commented on.

it was your own image. several of them, in fact. you sourced all of them in the notes.

In any other gallery, it would be extremely commendable. Due to the explicit nature of hentai quotes, however, it's a big problem.

The email claimed it was in regards to this which isn't even my image.

Oops, my bad. posted the wrong link in yours. it was for this

HOWEVER.

You CANNOT deny that EVERY SINGLE ONE in your gallery is currently sourced. I am going to be removing those immediately, and if they are readded, there will be a suspension. This goes for all pictures in that gallery for all users, present and future. It's literally part of the rules and we're going to begin enforcing it. Period.

I also noticed that on the ones where the source was removed the title and author were also deleted. Are those not allowed as well?

Also, would you like me to delete the rest of the sources? I can do that if you want me to.

until an admin or a larger group of mods say otherwise, putting just the title and author (with no link!!!!!!!!!!! important) is ok; that's what we've temporarily agreed on between mods taking care of this stuff (mods in irc right now really). I'm just going through a whole gallery, so I'm quickly selecting and deleting notes that have links to sources to save some time, but it's okay if those are there.

And if you could delete the sources, I'd really appreciate it. Like I said, I'm going through months, even years, of unenforced gallery.

I will delete all the sources immediately, and I'll leave the titles and authors intact. Thank you very much for the quick reply.

Alright, I've finished deleting the sources on every hentai quotes image I have ever uploaded.

I've gone around deleting all the comments in which I gave a direct link to hentai. Not a lot, but still.
There are a couple more posts in which I give the name of the Artist or Doujin. Am I including those as well?

I'm going to delink a bunch of sauces I gave on the couple of hentai quotes I've posted that had them, but first I have to ask if "ecchi" material is also not allowed under this rule.

Ecchi generally doesn't involve nudity or sex so I'm going to say it is allowed under this rule. Most of the NSFW stuff posted on this site can fall under ecchi, so it would be silly to not allow any linking to it. The same NSFW guidelines will apply to links as they do to images so as long as you follow NSFW guidelines and tag links as NSFW when appropriate you should be golden.

"If sources are requested, that’s too bad. Not only do they violate our NSFW guidelines, the pictures on which they are usually requested "

ooooooo, well, time for me to do some cleaning.

I understand that it is a rule and rules must be followed, I just dont understand why the links are a problem? It didnt really have any negative effect on the website, on my opinion, as you chose to click on it or not.

I don't really understand the rule either, I just do what the boss says.

It all comes down to capitalism. jk

I don't want to speak for the others, but this is as close of a summary as I have for you right now. Brad, Don, RM, (insert mod here) could come in and say otherwise, but this hopefully this covers the jist of things for you:

Basically this site is to be trusted as a both professional and reliable source for documentation of internet phenomena. It has been used as a tool by mainstream media, as well as research professionals. Giving out direct links to porn is not professional and hurts the site's professional image. In other words, even though some of the content of referenced sites may be questionable, the allowing of direct links to porn would make this site a proxy for porn. If people really desire sauce for indecent content, there exist multiple sites that service just that. (aka Titles/Authors should be sufficient for you to go /request/ it, google it, or use an NSFW forum) One of the reasons people like this site is because it is not ED and is SFW.

I understand the need for professionalism. What I don't exactly understand is why an exception can't be made for an obviously NSFW entry like hentai quotes. It seems like it could be expected that a source on a hentai quote will lead to hentai, and that if people are not looking for NSFW content, sources in that gallery should clearly be avoided.

I totally understand the need to keep pointless porn links off of this site for the sake of presenting a friendly and accessible image to the people of the internet. What I don't get is why certain entries that are inherently more adult oriented can't have slightly different rules apply, at least for the sake of sourcing.

Keep in mind, I'm not trying to argue with the decisions of the folks in charge, nor am I intending to sound like I'm whining about it. I'm just pondering whether there might be certain angles being overlooked here. I'm wondering if perhaps certain rules have certain exceptions; That it isn't as black and white of an issue it may, at first glance, seem.

If indeed I am off base on this, I can certainly accept that, and I will follow the rules regardless. I just felt like stating my personal 2 cents.

Every time I see something people don't like there's a thread in the forums and mods whining about it, because everyone HAS to be happy about everything the mods do all the time because theydoitforfree.jpg.

Your change in the enforcement isn't even bad, but the response of "that's just too bad" and "don't belittle the moderation team" at the first sign of criticism sounds like you don't have the guts to handle any criticism, which is something you SHOULD have expected to come across sometimes when any of you became mods, even if you weren't specifically told to expect it.

Hulks: nice b8 m8. But:

Keep it relevant. If you have nothing to say on a particular subject, you can skip the topic and move on. If you want to address a specific individual about personal matters, contact the user via private message instead of starting a public discussion.

This thread is not about moderators. It is about the "no off-site porn" rule. Please move along if you have noting to add.

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Cipher: Creating special rules for NSFW entries just gives rise to drama and creates the grey situations like this. As unfortunate as it may be, site standardization is key in taming this. However, this rule is mainly concerned with porn NSFW. Some other links may be NSFW, but not exactly porn. Take, for example, imageboorus. These sites, although safe on one side, may contain a lot of NC stuff. If these are used for reference, a note should be appended to the hyperlink explaining that site may contain pornographic content along with a nice bold [NSFW].

In my experience, grey rules are usually the most effective, as they are the most flexible. Zero tolerance policies create problems of their own when situations arise that don't fit the mold. I don't know, it just really feels like labeling a source with NSFW should be more than enough to handle the situation, regardless of what may be on the other side. I just don't think anyone will mind too much if pornographic content is linked, so long as it actually serves a purpose.

If we were to consider the spirit of the law rather than the letter, it seems that the rule against posting pornographic links was meant more to outlaw off-topic links that serve no purpose and add nothing to the discourse, rather than relevant links such as sources. If someone goes on the forums, finds a thread at random, and just starts linking porn sites saying that everyone needs to check out these sweet tits, that is one thing, but posting a pornographic source for a gallery that happens to consist entirely of porn quotes is another thing entirely imho.

Absolved Mod with respect I think my post, about mod response in a discussion of mod practices and behaviors and how the users must adapt to them IS on topic, but I digress, as you want input on the true CORE of the issue.

As you said the rule on NSFW does currently state "at the discretion of of mods" will NSFW be dealt with. But if the mods are going to start passing out warnings and/or suspensions for doing what is the expected and hoped for norm (providing sources, of which a hyperlink is considered A+ gold star work most of the time) because it happens to break a rule even in a gallery 99% of which would have sources breaking said rule, then you should update the rule to remove subjectivity of mod discretion.

C'mon. You're cherry picking here. Clearly you're having some issues reading the very next line, so let me get it for you:

unless it is absolutely vital to meme research discussions

We both know that a direct link to hentai doujins is unnecessary for meme research, you just want to jack off to it. And let's be honest, that's the only reason that gallery is so popular.

While it does say "at moderation's discretion", our discretion for a very long time now has been to remove it. A title/author is fine for sourcing. No exceptions will be made, this rule will be enforced, standard punishments will be dealt for violations.

Dear user, get thicker skin plz.

"we'll make no changes to our new interpretation of the rule, not even a reasonable update to how the rule is written"

aces. And honestly the statement it's been your discretion "for a very long time now" to remove it is a bit disingenuous, as you HAVEN'T been doing it until just recently, as is evidenced by the recent removal of all the sources and this topic.

I also stand by my statement that some of the mods have a very unprofessional response whenever they meet any community backlash, like when a older sibling gets left in charge while the parents are away. Higher standards, with power comes responsibility, rabblerabblerabble, etc.

"It hasn't affected anything I've done until now so it never happened"

It's formally been in the rules for more than two years. The actual NSFW guidelines are a year old. We have been warning users for linking to porn since almost immmediately after the warning system was created at the beginning of September. We've been enforcing it quietly for months, but finally decided to enforce it wholesale this week.

But I mean if you want to keep using ad hominem instead of actually backing up your complaints that's ok too I guess.

And honestly the statement it’s been your discretion “for a very long time now” to remove it is a bit disingenuous, as you HAVEN’T been doing it until just recently, as is evidenced by the recent removal of all the sources and this topic.

Better late than never, don't you think?

@Twilitlord

Thank you for saying that the new, harder interpretation of a well known old rule is actually a relatively new one, and I (as I have before) will say that the change isn't actually a big deal.

@Loli

Yeah you're probably right

I also stand by my statement that some of the mods have a very unprofessional response whenever they meet any community backlash, like when a older sibling gets left in charge while the parents are away. Higher standards, with power comes responsibility, rabblerabblerabble, etc.

Probably, but you can also say we're fairly mild. I think various people here know of communities and forums where badmouthing the mods will quickly result in bans. Sure, our making fun of complaints may not be professional all the time, but we don't abuse our powers over it through bans or ignore them altogether if they're legit complaints.

Not to forget we do it for free.

You're way better than some other sites' mods, that's for sure. On some sites, I would have been permabanned just for stating a dissenting opinion, much less for actively criticizing mods like hulk is doing.

so just asking
if you want to link to the NSFW source in question
would it be okay if you link to a hob of sort? (something like a third webside/middle man? where the source can be found, thinking something like tumblr or other sites like it.

it is just a question

I've always wondered if you could circumvent the "no linking" rule by linking to a Google Search result instead, or if that would violate the "spirit" of the rule and cause Google Adsense to grab KYM by the balls.