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Sorry for sounding ignorant, but whats a "Chairos"

Dont tell me about it.

I support left wing policies, but damn, the chairos fuck things up.

Is worse with the derechairos, their speech is so hilarious, they support the total opposite, i know there is some funky shit in the whole Ayotzinapa shit, this whole those kids were pretty much Jesus, is BS, but the damn Derechairos are happy those kids got killed and i am not joking, back when it happened, the derechairo blogsphere had tons of people, telling why it was something positive.

Is like if politics = being a crazy moron that believes only the extremes exist.

(Also i guess, we are writing in english as a form of courtesy to the other user)

Mexican word to denominate people linked to far-left politics (Marxism) who usually practice slacktivism in social networks like Twitter or Facebook making annoying hashtags based in conspiracy theories.

They also insult other people if they don't agree with their points of view, usually call them fascist. Of course they are against the globalization they believe that the United States are the most evilest country in the world with Israel and they are supporters of Cuba, Venezuela and Russia.

The Derechairo believes the total opposite of that, of course they believe conspiracy theories, loves Israel, hates Palestine and tries to tell everybody, any left wing person is a chairo, even if are like me a persons that keeps telling communism only works on theory.

And yes, i have being called both, once in the same argument, when i told that the whole Israel/Palestine isnt one side is the poor victim and the other is a monster, thats not how the world works, it was amazing to see how both groups decide to attack me.

Quite an evening, to be honest.

Learnt something new, thank you for that

No problem mate.

So everyone, guess which San Francisco politician/Anita fanboy is going to Federal prison?

Lets see Ghazi reaction and lets see how Salon will find a way to blame Gamer Gate about this.

I'll be only glad if they asscribe us some victory

So, since I'm seeing posts by people from Mexico, I just want to ask where everyone else is from? Just want to know how many people around the world are Pro-GG.

I myself am from Pennsylvania, USA.

I am from the St. Louis area of Missouri, USA.

Neat. I live in the Pittsburgh area.

Medicine Hat, Alberta, Canadaland.

I won't say where I am now, but I will say I'm not from Burgerstan.

French guy here, although I don't post much.

Bratislava, the capitol of the Slovak Republic

Bratislava, the capitol of the Slovak Republic

I live close to the heart of GG drama (san fran, bay area). So getting news and even getting invited to events (Because hey! I live nearby and get invites for fufilling a demographic!) Is fun. It's interesting being a fly on the wall and overhearing chatter regarding opinions concering everything game related.

One thing I learned from classes and these events is that Reputation is no longer a vague concept. The internet is an archive of potential self incrimination and could be used against you. So blogging or typing away can cause chaos for yourself in the future. The trick is not to draw attention. The information is probably already out there, one just needs a reason to look.

Yeah, I don't know anyone that's truly an SJW in my area and have met very few people that seemed feminist. There was only one person I know who went to my university that knew what GG was, he always said he "sympathized" with it and never liked SJWs.

Second paragraph is interesting, though I don't think I need to worry about stuff being found out about me.

Don't derail the "Where are you from?" conversation for this, let's keep that going.

This isn't specifically GG related, but it inevitably will be.

They're not even hiding it now.

I have a late, delayed reply to something last page, feel free to ignore it:

Regarding where we're form. I'm from England, but I won't specify further (I'm kinda paranoid about giving further details about that).

@Above:
I think I saw Mr Enter (yeah I know, don't yell at me) got mad at that when it was there previously on Twitter (assuming that's the site the screenshot's from), apparently he was eventually told it was a mechanism to filter out garbage reports. But I don't know if that's true now (or even if it was before).

I'm from canada. Despite how much it seems like things are bad here, the court system is not full of idiots. Our campus's and our politicians though…. well let's just say its worrying and leave it at that.

Seriously though, Dioxin Jimmy, It'd be really handy to know where the…

Oh wait. It says at the bottom "Someone on Twitter is posting Spam"

Carry on!

As for the whole Bookie's opinion on things?

So what? He has a different set of ideals that may not necessarily agree with yours, mine or others. He's human, as am I and the rest of us. (At least I like to think so. Has anyone here achieved bot-sentience yet?) The guy likes to keep a level head, and it's listening to his opinions and using respectful conversation whether you agree or not makes this topic easier for all to accept. Pro Gamergate, Anti-Gamegate, Neutral, Involved, it culminates into this instance that's over a year old.

It's the matter of having discussion where opinions can be voiced, heard and responded to that enables this thread to progress. Singling out a person because they have admitted that they don't/won't fully support something because they have justifiable reasons doesn't mean we should ignore them. We should listen and learn.

That goes for the trolls too. If they keep spamming us it's probably because they're annoyed with the topic constantly trending. Once that's realized one can do all sorts of things; report if a rule's broken, try and have a civil discussion, or break down the flawed logic.

Having these conversations help us evolve and see a bigger picture as how Gamergate is viewed and how it applies as time goes on. Things change, strategies, allegiances, members…

So why should we try to be all the same instead of accepting the opposition (within reason, some people will never learn/be satisfied)?

OH! Hey in other news: We met the gofundme goal to search for Mercy!

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But if something like ZOG’s Nightmare (Neo-Nazi propaganda game) comes along, having no genuine merit and doing real harm, while leaving no doubt to give it the benefit of? You can bet your ass I’ll be for censoring it, even if that IS the “aGGro” position and no amount of logical fallacies and Libertarian extremism would sway me.

Ah, but there is no better way to demonstrate the flaws in any belief system then letting their proponents speak up.

Does this:

Look like something produced by someone who knows what they're talking about?

Ethnic Cleansing was even worse, and on tabletop games Racial Holy War is bad that 1d4chan wiki calls it "worse then F.A.T.A.L." and it's so broken on a mechanical level that the Aryan Superman PCs can get curbstomped by the students of a Jewish daycare.

It's the same with SJW games like Sunset and every other piece of art that puts "lecturing about my beliefs" over "good content".

Part of the reason that hate groups are constantly in demand for the media to interview is that they make enemies of everyone who isn't 100% on their side.

Definitely not, again I’m not a moron.
But she very much is. As well as a bigot, an extremist, and basically the sort of person the world’s better off without.

Anita isn't really a moron, she's got if not intelligence then at least a great amount of cunning. Has she make some pretty dumb mistakes? Yes. Could she work her scams a lot better? Definitely. Is she a dumbass like the rest of the LWs? No, she's on a far higher level then them.

And I’d say the very same about Milo Yiannopoulos, for the same reasons (except maybe bigotry, I haven’t seen him be racist/sexist/etc.).

I disagree with that for the simple reason that Milo supports the rights of his enemies as much as the rights of himself while Anita will cry about "hate speech" and then say some absolutely horrifying shit on Twitter.

Now you disagreed with both sides of that, which is why I can respect you (you don't go for that "we need to shut down hate speech unless I like it" bit of hypocrisy).

Whenever someone puts out that "rules for thee but not me" shtick then they're not to be trusted, regardless of if they're SJWs, neo-Nazis, homophobic religious organizations, Stalinists, or any other little belief system.

That's the biggest danger.

I’d say no, but I suspect you’re referring to neutrals who don’t like either side, and I’m not convinced that’s all wrong.

I'm talking more about people like Rikameme who says will say "I disagree with Anita on a lot of things" then go back to defending whatever idiot thing she's endorsed this time.

Or the Ayyists who burned out hard, declared GamerGate a bunch of "extremists" then spent months photoshopping people into suicide bomber outfits before claiming they did the Paris attacks and attacking random people for shits & giggles all while declaring GamerGate to be dead & stupid and trying to kill GamerGate.

Those kinds of people.

I’ve seen it be the correct response to way too many things, particularly recently.

The correct method of neutrality isn't "both sides are just stupid & childish & the same, I'm so much better", the correct method of neutrality is supporting & praising anyone who is right, and defying & criticizing anyone who is wrong no matter what side they're on.

Or just walking away and whenever GamerGate is mentioned saying "I don't know about that so I'm not going to give an opinion on it".

I think I saw Mr Enter

when it was there previously on Twitter (assuming that’s the site the screenshot’s from), apparently he was eventually told it was a mechanism to filter out garbage reports. But I don’t know if that’s true now (or even if it was before).

It is Twitter, looking at the comments on that image there's some people who can't see it & some people who can see it.

The big issue with Twitter censorship right now is that Twitter is so incompetent & secretive it's almost impossible to tell the difference between "Twitter is secretly making you unfollow accounts with the wrong opinions" and "Twitter is so poorly coded that is can't remember what accounts you follow" (and yes, that's happening).

I just hope nothing bad happened.

Look in the notes of the image. Or better yet, look down at one of my comments; I linked it.

Also i wanted to open a group of GG people that speak spanish in Facebook, but i dont know if i should do it for all the people speaking spanish or only latin america.

Besides i dont want to call it Latin GG or anything like that.

So your opinion in the matter and any ideas for the name.

Got that now. I can't internet.

After reading those comments though, this is all I can hear regarding Twitter:

Me too, but after so long I have a terrible feeling. And I predict foul play.

Well really, GG isn't about vidya games explicitly, it's more about the industry and topics of discussion in GG threads are going to reflect that.

Also you're wrong anyway, we were discussing Fire Emblem: Fates not too long ago.

It's called GAMERgate because it has to do with the gaming industry, not necessarily the video games themselves.

Also you said that nothing in this discussion was about video games. In case you hadn't noticed, we are not KotakuInAction. There may be some overlap, but this ain't the same place.

It's about the war on gamer culture by social justice culture. It's called gamergate because its generally spearheaded by people who play games. Its not *game*gate its *gamer*gate notice the r. A gamer is someone who plays games, not only that but we also just talked about American McGee and how the cops don't seem to be helping this game developer with his crisis. Gamers right now demand that the press stop acting like complete psychopaths and do the job they are paid to do by following the actual guidelines that they're supposed to follow.

Oh and uh let's take a look at the front page of kotaku in action right now.

[Humor] I ordered a game from Play-Asia and this sticker came with it. They're taking this shitlording thing and running with it for miles
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/47ps2k/humor_i_ordered_a_game_from_playasia_and_this/

[Opinion] Jeff Gerstmann "If you don't like shitty localizations learn Japanese" more reason the "Old Guard" of games media needs to go
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/47qx6h/opinion_jeff_gerstmann_if_you_dont_like_shitty/

[Drama] Even Japan is aware the dreadful localization of Fire Emblem: Fates. (Hope you can read Japanese, or Google Translate)
http://jp.automaton.am/articles/newsjp/fire-emblem-fates-sales-well-but-some-of-emblemer-complained-quality-of-localization/

Patrick Keplek buttmad over Nichegamer putting out article about Pokemon Sun/Moon localizer
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/47qhx3/patrick_keplek_buttmad_over_nichegamer_putting/

The other posts are about Journalist ethics, Journalist ethical failures and the one that includes donald trump is about Trump's attempt to censor the press. I'm sorry but the evidence doesn't actually back up your statement. OH and uh where's the rape posts?

Not explicitly related to GG, but definitely a victory in what we've been fighting against.

Melissa Click, the Mizzou prof. who literally called for muscle to push out student journalists recording the BLM protests[riots] on campus, and has been recorded assaulting other students and police officers, has finally been officially fired from the university for her behavior.

At least a minor victory for human decency

Someone is asking if you believe in the holocaust in KiA, for some reason

WTF?

Investing in diverse business and engineering scholarships sounds like a more organic way of fixing this problem, not forcing the hiring of someone potentially under qualified.

Of course the guy that wrote that, got banned from NeoGaf.

Kotaku misreports that UnReal World RPG will be free on Steam, developer attempts to correct to no avail.

It makes me feel scared to see that we're treating our entertainment like politics and our politics like entertainment. It's feels fucked.

Max Landis, i think, i love the guy.

EA Abandons Trademark Filing For 'Ghost'

Has anybody here checked out TheSamuraiGoomba's videos?

He makes some interesting points.

Never heard of him. I only heard of Gaijin Goomba.

The creator of the #BoobsNotBlood which never became trending and that was basically stating that we needed more lewdness and less gore in the Western gaming industry because it si disgusting to see the double standard of allowing brutal bloodshed and rejecting natural human sexuality.

TheSamuraiGoomba's position on this whole mess is certainly interesting, at first he seemed anti-SJW and anti-feminism, now he seems to have done a weird 180, check him out, he's criticized MundaneMatt and Sargon in many videos for their apparent e-begging.

He still totally bought into the whole "Gamers are evil misogynistic scum who live in their mother's basement and sent death threats to innocent women" narrative though, even if he used to completely oppose Sarkeesian and every other Internet feminist in the past.

Just when you thought they couldn't get any slimier, they crank it up to an 11…

How can anyone at NoA possibly have a clear conscience with her being under their employ?

They're probably just finding out. I mean It's not like NoA caters to children.

wait a minute.

It's always the shittiest persons that do this, huh?

OK. I am getting ready to get buttfucked with negative rep for this. But.

She is not entirely mistaken, just totally hipocritical and also suspicious.

You will see, I am into lolicon. I think treating drawn porn just as you treat real things is wrong, second, I think we should focus on ending the suply of child porn by stopping the production rather than hunting the small fries who have it. Now, I think pedophiles should be helped before they molest a child and turn them into worthy members of society. Hebephiles and ephebophiles should be free to do as they please as long as they find a willing partner.

And this is where the plot thickens. I believe ages of consent are total hogwash and nonsense, based on arbitrary numbers as high as 20 and as low as "must be married, who cares if it can barely talk, if it is married it gets the D". It just does not make much sense, and the solution is throwing ages of consent away alltogether and administring individual mental maturity tests to all members of society from all ages, or at least from all pubescent and post pubescent members of society.

I believe consent, as well as other responsabilities and freedoms, are all about mental maturity. I would use as example the 14 year old groupie who had sex with David Bowie and is fed up with people, specially feminists, telling her she is a victim and she was molested by the late mister Bowie. And another example is a woman in her 30s one of my friends in real life dated who has several unwanted pregnancies for not being mature enough to handle her own life.

Now, if I hold such opinions then why would I be angry at her? Simple, she is a fucking hipocrite. We saw what she and her people did to video games and how she supported it. And that is not the only thing. She is clearly trying to coopt three communities which are you could say less defended than any other.

In the case od lolicon anime and manga, her agenda is more obvious to us since we saw feminists doing this to comics and video games. If she gets accepted by the lolicon subculture, lolicon mangas will be filled with feminist rethoric, even worse it could spread to manga and anime in general. Imagine it, a world in which in stead of "What are we going on the bed?" the fictional girl will say "I will only fuck you if you are a feminist" or "Down with the patriarchy". That is a future I don't want.

On the case of pedophiles and hebephiles, her goal is not something we are familiar with unless we have involvement with LGBT politics. They want to coopt them, hijack them, pretend they wilhelp these "outcasts" and "folk devils" promising them they will someday get the acceptance the homosexuals, bisexuals, and transexuals have. And we know how it ends, at first they will get a lot of support, media attention, adn eventually it will be normalized and accepted, but it will not come without consequences, without a price to pay. All those pedophiles and hebephiles who do not fall in line will be outcasts again, and all male pedophiles and hebephiles will be stabbed in the back. We saw it happen to gay men, with feminist writing about how they were misogynists because they are not sexually attracted to people wth vaginas.

Ths is their plot, they think they won the culture war on the mainstrean and the near frnnge, they have the LGBT community depending on them and thetered to them, unable to defy them even if they don't agree, they have control over most of the entretainment industry, they dominated Western comics and are activelly censoring video games. Now they are moving to the fringe, extending their tentacles.

I saw this in a lolicon forum. They fel glad someone was supporting them after so long with the news of Germany trying to ban lolicon and Japan proposing its censorship. But I had to opne their eyes, warn them, tell tem what thse people did to gaming and comics, show them the kind of people she is. A "sex positive" feminist who stil hates men and cares more about "intersectionality" than about free speech. A hipocrite and not atrustworthy ally. Some of the forum members who are not only lolicon but also actual pedophiles and hebephiles in fact quickly understood what she is up to, a lot faster than tose who are only in the drwn thing. Maybe it has to do with them being against feminism for several resons, from feminism's puritan stance to the fact that feminists actually targetted pedophiles until now that they realized this was a demographic they could use to their benefit.

It is a mix of her hipocritical behavior, lack of consistency, and clear intentions to coopt lolicon manga and manipulate pedophiles in stead of helping them which bothers me about this. I mean, if it was a NAMBLA guy I would be neutral to it, and if it was a guy working at let's say Comic LO I would actually root for the guy.

@AlarkozTheAncient:

On the subject of age of consent, ages like 18 or 20 are used simply because it is way easier to judge physical age than it is mental maturity. It's also way better for all parties involved if people having sex just wait till that age than go and do it at a younger age, because there's a big gray area there and it's a touchy subject. There's no need to be hasty when it comes to that stuff, especially when you are younger.

The biggest thing that bugs me is when people defend pedophiles like their pedophilia is something that is completely normal, and they should be allowed to have sex with little kids like it's nothing.

However: here's the caveat. I do believe that it is not something that should be encouraged, and if we could cure it, we should. But I do know that a lot of people with pedophilia out there struggle with it, as in they have it but don't act on it, as they understand the problems with it. I 100% believe that our system needs to have better mental health support for those people to help them cope with it. Too many of them are good people struggling with a mental condition that society tells them they're monsters for.

The problem is these assholes who take the hyper-liberal approach of "pedophilia is completely fine, let's just legalize kid-fucking". That's absolute bullshit, and I honestly have a hard time with anyone that actually thinks a 5 or 6 year old kid is free game to explore your adult sexuality. That's disgusting and traumatizing to the child.

So to sum it up, pedophilia does not make you inherently a dickhead if you have it, but it's not something people should be allowed to practice. It's more for the child's sake than the adult's. We're just in the middle of an influx of people promoting pedophilia as if it is just another gender orientation. As long as we as a society keep cool heads and fight against it, as well as help those who struggle with it and can't get help, we can push back against the idiocy being spread by moral authoritarians.

Excuse me everyone what is your opinion on this?

https://twitter.com/GamingAndPandas/status/701934870424117249

In my OPINION (I can't stress this enough), this is no different when Todd in the Shadows spoke for Jew Wario after his death to critize GamerGate

Anyone informed Nintendo of America, or even the honchos at Nintendo of Japan?

Fun time!

Game journalist who got fired for supporting ethics made a fake feminist account & wrote bizarre feminist game criticism designed to be as wrong as possible that was published in the Mary Sue.

Archive.

show this to people whenever they question the ethics in journalism part