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poochyena wrote:

>Because the DNC rigging is real, the Russian rigging the national election isn't real.

You say Russia rigging the election isn't real, and The FBI, CIA, GCHQ, HPSCI, DHS, ODNI, and NSA all say it is.
hmmm, wonder who is more knowledgeable about this…

>cites wikipedia

Ya, nah. try again Poochy. Once again, I am more knowable about it than you are seeing you have a habit of throwing things down the memory hole of what you don't want to accept is real.

Also of note of the NC election that the Democrats spent around 4 times what the GOP did, they were running candidates for over a year for it and lost so badly. think on that for awhile.

poochyena wrote:

> I am more knowable about it than you

And also the FBI, CIA, GCHQ, HPSCI, DHS, ODNI, and NSA ?

More than you and the wikipedia you cite. Even Muller gave up and admitted there wasn't any thing there. How longer will you keep lying to your self about what isn't real? Ever sense President Trump was sworn in, you and many on your side kept on telling yourself that it was Russia that got him elected and was let down when reality proved you other wise.

Yet you are blind to the problems in the Democrat party itself. You have an open and avowed Socialist with Bernie Sanders! He admitted he went to Russia during the cold war for his honeymoon!

you didn't answer my question.
Do you think you know more than the FBI, CIA, GCHQ, HPSCI, DHS, ODNI, and NSA ?
Didn't ask if you know more than me or wikipedia.

>Ever sense President Trump was sworn in

If you read the reports of those government agencies, you will see it was of concern before he was elected.

poochyena wrote:

you didn't answer my question.
Do you think you know more than the FBI, CIA, GCHQ, HPSCI, DHS, ODNI, and NSA ?
Didn't ask if you know more than me or wikipedia.

>Ever sense President Trump was sworn in

If you read the reports of those government agencies, you will see it was of concern before he was elected.

I did because you didn't cite those agencies, you cited wikipedia and not the departments themselves. It's been explained to you before and you still don't get it. I don't have all day going over this again with you.

So just try for once and think about what last night about the NC election and how bad of a situation the Democrats are in.

>you didn't cite those agencies, you cited wikipedia

I specifically cited those agencies, not wikipedia. I said "the FBI, CIA, GCHQ, HPSCI, DHS, ODNI, and NSA" and then gave a link to sources of all their conclusions.

Black Graphic T wrote:

If only StyxHexenhammer666 could do as much research into the DNC as he did into WWII, maybe he wouldn't say dumb shit like claiming Zyklon B is a harmless cleaning agent for lice, and that jewish people had pools, and that the "showers" were real showers. You know, instead of the gas chamber, which they were, and the use of Zyklon B as the Hydrogen Cyanide gas, in said gas chambers.

To be fair he did admit that he was wrong about Zyklon B.
Regardless, in as much as Styx can be right and spot on on >some issues< the more I listen to him the more he comes off as the quintessential Dunning Kruger effect. Fact of the matter is, his opinions, while coming off as sort of "Americans first" blatantly disregards the importance of that ideology in regards to foreign policy.

I don't blame him. Foreign policy is quite a difficult, oft-hypocritical, place to be, but to pretend as if he is some sort of "analyst" is a bit well…ridiculous. He has little understanding of world history, of 20th century history, of over-all inter-connected elements of history and culture and how it impacts modern national views of the world. He's definitely smart. And he knows how to cultivate his own base – and appearance.

In the realm of understanding America's greater role in the world, he comes off as over-simplistic, which is part-and-parcel with a lot of Libertarians I come across.

Personally. I wouldn't particularly use him as a source of information. A viewpoint, to be sure. But that viewpoint comes with a lot of caveats.

Team Arkos wrote:

More than you and the wikipedia you cite. Even Muller gave up and admitted there wasn't any thing there. How longer will you keep lying to your self about what isn't real? Ever sense President Trump was sworn in, you and many on your side kept on telling yourself that it was Russia that got him elected and was let down when reality proved you other wise.

Yet you are blind to the problems in the Democrat party itself. You have an open and avowed Socialist with Bernie Sanders! He admitted he went to Russia during the cold war for his honeymoon!

That's not what muller said though. And the only one who claims he said that are pathological liars, and the folks who believe them, like you. Muller said he didn't have the authority to press charges, and that it was Congress job to deal with the presidents shady activities. Basically a case that wrongdoing occured but that he isn't the one who can actually take action in calling it such. Just like it takes a judge to issue a warrant or pass a sentence into law.

And honestly, the obnoxious nature of Trump's administration has been enough to stir even someone like me to take a stand against the annoying blowhard boomer wannabe king. The more trump does dumb shit like trying to annex more land, and toying with extending his election terms beyond legal limits, the harder it motivates people like me to vote against him. I voted for gary johnson over trump last election, a vote i regret given new views adopted by Johnson. If i need to, personally, I'll vote a commie or bernie into office to get rid of the current pussyass president in charge. At this point we already live in a corporate socialist state, where companies pay no taxes and get government subsidies while normal people have to starve and go without basic medical care or living wages to support the corporate coddling.

Anything of "Communism" in the US, IE right wing policies that are no longer right wing enough for the current Republican party, because let's be honest the only thing leaning true left nowadays is the leaning tower, and I doubt that analogies even geographically accurate. But anyway left of the current state is honestly going to be a welcome change. The experiment of extreme right policy makers was intriguing but ultimately a failure. A change of course will be a nice and refreshing return to neutrality.

Black Graphic T wrote:

That's not what muller said though. And the only one who claims he said that are pathological liars, and the folks who believe them, like you. Muller said he didn't have the authority to press charges, and that it was Congress job to deal with the presidents shady activities. Basically a case that wrongdoing occured but that he isn't the one who can actually take action in calling it such. Just like it takes a judge to issue a warrant or pass a sentence into law.

And honestly, the obnoxious nature of Trump's administration has been enough to stir even someone like me to take a stand against the annoying blowhard boomer wannabe king. The more trump does dumb shit like trying to annex more land, and toying with extending his election terms beyond legal limits, the harder it motivates people like me to vote against him. I voted for gary johnson over trump last election, a vote i regret given new views adopted by Johnson. If i need to, personally, I'll vote a commie or bernie into office to get rid of the current pussyass president in charge. At this point we already live in a corporate socialist state, where companies pay no taxes and get government subsidies while normal people have to starve and go without basic medical care or living wages to support the corporate coddling.

Anything of "Communism" in the US, IE right wing policies that are no longer right wing enough for the current Republican party, because let's be honest the only thing leaning true left nowadays is the leaning tower, and I doubt that analogies even geographically accurate. But anyway left of the current state is honestly going to be a welcome change. The experiment of extreme right policy makers was intriguing but ultimately a failure. A change of course will be a nice and refreshing return to neutrality.

We're all in this fight together, Black.

And there's a metric ton of bad policy to undo if Trump's ousted.

@Team Arkos
"He admitted he went to Russia during the cold war for his honeymoon!"
You left out the fact that he visited Yaroslavl, the sister city of Burlington of which Sanders was mayor at the time. No he just visited Russia because he loves gulags and the Holodomor.

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>TFW the boomer in chief wants to ban vapes cause a couple kids got sick on bootleg cartridges.
>TFW guns allowed but vape bad
>TFW Cigarettes allowed but vape bad
>TFW this is a couple weeks after blaming video games for shootings

Guess the Republicans need a new boogieman with the devils lettuce no longer being seen as all that harmful.

Lexicanium Coeus wrote:

That is the opposite of what you should be doing in a forum.

I just don't like anyone pulling the "We're in this together, brotha!" kinda stuff. I don't like Trump for his policies and conduct, simple as that. So when anyone comes trying to be overly personal I just don't like it or respond to that well.

Black Graphic T wrote:

>TFW the boomer in chief wants to ban vapes cause a couple kids got sick on bootleg cartridges.
>TFW guns allowed but vape bad
>TFW Cigarettes allowed but vape bad
>TFW this is a couple weeks after blaming video games for shootings

Guess the Republicans need a new boogieman with the devils lettuce no longer being seen as all that harmful.

Yeah, sometimes you forget that, despite his frankly near unique internet savvy for a politician, he's still a 70+ old man.

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

So Julian Castro has an identical twin brother and I can't help but imagine a wacky 90s comedy movie where they trade places.

It would serve as a great defense against assassins…

but would only work once.

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

So this happened…

I like that he referred to him as Robert Francis as if to emphasize the fact that he's named after a assassinted person.

If the government ever actually goes ahead with confiscating AR's, I fear that we may end up getting a couple of Waco siege like incidents occurring throughout the following year.

Eris wrote:

If the government ever actually goes ahead with confiscating AR's, I fear that we may end up getting a couple of Waco siege like incidents occurring throughout the following year.

And that could end up causing another OKC

Black Graphic T wrote:

I can't believe a sitting member of government actually did a Fedposting.

But Beto isn't a sitting member of the government. Unless I misunderstood you and you meant Cain.

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

So this happened…

I like that he referred to him as Robert Francis as if to emphasize the fact that he's named after a assassinted person.

The fact that people say shit like this shows we shouldn't let them have assault rifles

Team Arkos wrote:

More than you and the wikipedia you cite. Even Muller gave up and admitted there wasn't any thing there. How longer will you keep lying to your self about what isn't real? Ever sense President Trump was sworn in, you and many on your side kept on telling yourself that it was Russia that got him elected and was let down when reality proved you other wise.

Yet you are blind to the problems in the Democrat party itself. You have an open and avowed Socialist with Bernie Sanders! He admitted he went to Russia during the cold war for his honeymoon!

Trump is an open nationalist
so yeah, I'd say we need balance

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

But Beto isn't a sitting member of the government. Unless I misunderstood you and you meant Cain.

Fedposting is posting obivous posts that'll get flagged by the FBI, which the guy threatening beto did. Usually people are smarter then to post shit like that on Twitter.

Team Arkos wrote:

More than you and the wikipedia you cite. Even Muller gave up and admitted there wasn't any thing there. How longer will you keep lying to your self about what isn't real? Ever sense President Trump was sworn in, you and many on your side kept on telling yourself that it was Russia that got him elected and was let down when reality proved you other wise.

Yet you are blind to the problems in the Democrat party itself. You have an open and avowed Socialist with Bernie Sanders! He admitted he went to Russia during the cold war for his honeymoon!

Are you one of those people who thinks Wikipedia has a liberal bias so you use Boomerpedia(Conservapedia) instead? Because you strike me as that kind of person.

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

Are you one of those people who thinks Wikipedia has a liberal bias so you use Boomerpedia(Conservapedia) instead? Because you strike me as that kind of person.

I like that for years Mueller was nothing but a liar that shouldn't be listened to. Yet suddenly, Mueller is now the most trustworthy and smartest guy ever!

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

Are you one of those people who thinks Wikipedia has a liberal bias so you use Boomerpedia(Conservapedia) instead? Because you strike me as that kind of person.

There's for sure something to be said about Wikipedia being biased (on a per-article basis) but it's universally a better choice than Conservapedia or RationalWiki. As long as you stray away from topics that are hot-button or the politics of its arcane bureaucracy, it's fine.

Much of Wikipedia's problems with bias stem from a shrinking editor base and ambiguous, often inconsistent, standards for sources. Really, just do some external digging if you smell a rat on a Wikipedia article.

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

Are you one of those people who thinks Wikipedia has a liberal bias so you use Boomerpedia(Conservapedia) instead? Because you strike me as that kind of person.

Have you ever seen me post links to Conservapedia here before? Here is a hint, I don't. I know Wikipedia has a liberal bias on the hot topic/political elements due to the well known editorial slant they got, so there you go. However for the non hot topic pages of wikipedia, that is another subject and I consider them a separate entity entirely.

poochyena wrote:

I like that for years Mueller was nothing but a liar that shouldn't be listened to. Yet suddenly, Mueller is now the most trustworthy and smartest guy ever!

>I like that for years Muller was the hero we needed and can be trusted to bring down the bad orange man. Yet suddenly, Muller is now the greatest disappointment and worst betrayer ever!

FTFY

The left had put all their hopes and dreams into that sad sack Muller and he left them high and dry.

Not just the president. A lot of natsec and foreign policy wonks agree that signs point to Iran. And as a consequence oil prices went up 18% today. And there is plenty for Iran to gain from this. An 18% price increase when you have been sanctioned to such a degree where there is only a handful of buyers means that the buyers you do have now dish out more cash. And there is a lot of economic turmoil in Iran – and it's proxies including Hezbollah. I wonder if the recent most stages skirmish bbeetween Israel and Hezbollah had anything to do with it

Remnants of Iranian "Soumar" cruise missiles found in Saudi desert, north of targeted refinery.
This is now escalated to direct, undeniable acts of war by the Iranians.

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"A lot of natsec and foreign policy wonks agree that signs point to Iran"
Isn't that why the US started the war in Iraq?
Even if Iran did do it there's no reason for the US to be involved. Saudi Arabia should fight their own wars.

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

"A lot of natsec and foreign policy wonks agree that signs point to Iran"
Isn't that why the US started the war in Iraq?
Even if Iran did do it there's no reason for the US to be involved. Saudi Arabia should fight their own wars.

Exactly, the saudi state should not be defended

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

"A lot of natsec and foreign policy wonks agree that signs point to Iran"
Isn't that why the US started the war in Iraq?
Even if Iran did do it there's no reason for the US to be involved. Saudi Arabia should fight their own wars.

I don't give two shits about the KSA. What I do however give to shits about is the global impact of such an attack.

Yeah it is about the oil, hate to say it.
The attack halved KSA's output of oil. Halved. It drove oil to go up 18% in one day. And another 14% today. This has global economic impact not just on KSA, but the US, and Europe.

First and foremost:
Countries which are highly dependent on oil exports to sustain themselves, such as Russia, and Venezuela stand to gain quite a lot here – especially since both were having economic problems that put great strain on their respected governments. Iran as well since the sanctions were actually working really well and was putting such a major strain on the government that they had to seriously cut the amount of money they use to fund the various fundamentalist organizations around the MENA.

Second, oil spikes have historically made massive problems for global economies.

And to put it into perspective, the attack this weekend was the biggest oil disruption in history, outweighing that of the Iranian revolution.

So yeah. We are going to feel it. And already are since stocks have taken a hit today

Now KSA is saying it's going to try to rebuild 1/3rd of their loss by the end of the day. But if this is the kind of war that Iran wants to play, the world is going to be, inevitably, dragged into it.

The US has had no reason to go to war with Iran. The sanctions are working, and will continue to work. It would be politically untenable for it to do so. But, if Iran's goal is to continue a war of energy-disruption, the economic impact that it could have on the rest of the world would foster political will to put troops on the ground. And I know no one here, including myself, wants that.

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Its odd that they specify that its iran not the houthis because a lot of the houthi rebels funding comes from iran, you'd think the iranians would just tell the houthis to do it instead of using thier own men and materiels

Maybe they didnt think the rebels could be trusted to do it right?

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Greyblades wrote:

Its odd that they specify that its iran not the houthis because a lot of the houthi rebels funding comes from iran, you'd think the iranians would just tell the houthis to do it instead of using thier own men and materiels

Maybe they didnt think the rebels could be trusted to do it right?

For it to be the Houthis we would have to figure out how the Houthis are able to get their hands on a missile that can travel over 1000+ kilometers. And yes, it's a missile, as their drone strikes, which consequently tend to be launched out of Iraq/Iran, tend to do far less damage.

Arms Control Wonk has a great article on it.

"Previous Houthi drone strikes against oil facilities tended to result in quite limited damage which could be an indication that a different weapons system was used this time. Indeed, Aramco came to the conclusion that its facilities were attacked by missiles. Even more curious, several pictures began to emerge on social media purportedly showing the wreckage of a missile in the Saudi desert. While the images appear real, neither the date the photos were taken nor their location can be verified. Social media users quickly claimed the images showed a crashed Iranian-made Soumar cruise missile. The Soumar and its updated version, the Hoveyzeh, are Iran’s attempts at reverse-engineering the Soviet-designed KH-55 cruise missile, several of which the country illegally imported from Ukraine in the early 2000s. Others claimed it was the Quds 1, a recently unveiled Houthi cruise missile often claimed to be a rebranded Soumar."

So it seems that if it was the Houthis, they had access to Iranian missiles.
"If the pictures showing the Quds 1 wreckage in Saudi Arabia are indeed connected to the recent Abqaiq attack, it would seem more likely that the attack originated from a place closer to Eastern Saudi Arabia than Northern Yemen – potentially Iraq, Iran or perhaps even from ships. But then again that is a big if at the current moment.

All of this leaves the question of just who developed and built the Quds 1. The idea that impoverished war-torn Yemen would be able to develop a cruise missile without any outside assistance seems far-fetched. Iran’s previous supply of missiles to the Houthis and the fact that the country uses TJ100 engines in its drone program do imply that the Iran could be behind the Quds 1."

I've always argued that the difference in how the far right and the far left express anti Semitism is one is explicit (the far right) the other is implicit (the far left). It's easy to point out explicit anti Semitism, but it is so much harder to identify implicit anti Semitism.

It's interesting to note however that with the growing obsession with race and race politics more and more of the far left is becoming increasingly explicit.

Specifically, I've been hearing a lot, from the far left, that Zionism (the idea of Jewish self determination) is inherently a European colonial Enterprise. This condemning Israel (where Ashkenazi Jews are less than half of the population anyway) to being some sort of white supremecist state.

Many young American Jews, having to navigate in the same circles as their more radical non-Jewish peers, embrace the idea that they aren't actually white (despite being largely Ashkenazi Jews). This only fuels the far rights rhetoric that I hear often that Jews are white only when it's convenient.

But the thing is, we are dealing with a rhetorical framework (hate that word in this context) where "white" transcends race (European origin) and becomes intermixed with virtually every negative ideology, system, and expression. And it's hypocritically maddening.

So yes there are European Jews (Ashkenazi) just as there are black Jews ( Bets Israel, is Ethiopia ), just as there are MENA Jews (Sephardic, Mizrahi) as there is also Asian Jews (kolchin from India, and kaifeng Jews from China).

Because Race as we classify it today is horrendously flawed categorical system that is increasingly becoming meaningless, except in terms of identity politics.

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An ethno state where more than 20% of the population is of different ethnicity and religion, and has the same political power as the ethnic majority, or ability to go to the same schools, participate in politics, serve the country etc. That's more diverse than many European nations. It is however a sanctuary state in that Israel first and foremost purpose is to give sanctuary to Jews, as it effin should. Some of its policies are far from "western cosmopolitan Democratic ideals" to be sure. But I don't particularly recall those nations suffering from a millennia of existential threat. I don't recall a millennia of ideological and religious hatred and desire to totally eradicate the Europeans.

Maintaining a Jewish majority is key in a country that adopted a Democratic political system. As demographics in democracy is essential to the political power structures. Lest its purpose as a sanctuary state for Jews would virtually end otherwise. Sorry if that offends anyone sensibilities.

Saying that, I dream for the day when there is no need for a sanctuary state for Jews. I dream of a day when such policies are unecessary. I dream for a day where anti Semitism, which is the fuel of Zionist fire, is extinguished once and for all.

I don't get why people would consider Robert Bork a victim when he was responsible for firing Archibald Cox during the Saturday Night Massacre.

Who would be okay with firing an independent prosecutor if it meant protecting a possibly corrupt President? And why would you think that decision to acquiesce to a corrupt authoritarian move wouldn't look bad on your resume for a Supreme Court hearing?

Warren way above in enthusiasm. Has the lowest "uncomfortable" rating too

Ranked highest iamong issue focused voters

Warren is on her way to presidency.

To add to the story above, Rudy Giuliani denies that the administration had talks with Ukraine about joe biden, and then seconds later brags about trying to get Ukraine to "investigate" (ie spy) on Joe Biden for them.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/09/19/politics/rudy-giuliani-joe-biden-ukraine-cnntv/index.html

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