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With all the shit around Iran going on right now, does anybody believe that this attack on Saudis wasn't staged? I remember something similar happend in Syria, when ISIS was almost defeated there, Trump wanted to pull out US soldiers from there and suddenly BOOM… Chemical attack, by Assad, on his civilians. Not only timing was strange, the whole thing was counterintuitive for Assad.

Looks like military industrial complex always has his agenda in the first place, no matter who's sitting in the White House at the moment.

Maxi-005 wrote:

With all the shit around Iran going on right now, does anybody believe that this attack on Saudis wasn't staged? I remember something similar happend in Syria, when ISIS was almost defeated there, Trump wanted to pull out US soldiers from there and suddenly BOOM… Chemical attack, by Assad, on his civilians. Not only timing was strange, the whole thing was counterintuitive for Assad.

Looks like military industrial complex always has his agenda in the first place, no matter who's sitting in the White House at the moment.

Yes. Because Saudi Arabia, who does t really need an excuse to bomb the shit out if yemeni civilians stages an attack on its biggest oil refinery wiping out half it's countries total production just so they can convince Trump to go to war. Ok

Chewybunny wrote:

Yes. Because Saudi Arabia, who does t really need an excuse to bomb the shit out if yemeni civilians stages an attack on its biggest oil refinery wiping out half it's countries total production just so they can convince Trump to go to war. Ok

Who have said anything about the Saudis staging it? I wouldn't be suprised if the Mossad was behind it, or other intelligence agency, to accelerate the conflict between the Iran and Israeli coalition. Stranger things happend before in the history, just saying.

I really doubt the Saudi attacks and Japanese tanker attack are anything other then the retaliatory actions of Yeminies extremist after being screwed around with for years now by both US and Saudi actions. Donald Trump however would rather it have all be staged, by Iran, so he can invade Iran, because god damn if a war doesn't drum up Republican Support in this retarded country.

Maxi-005 wrote:

Who have said anything about the Saudis staging it? I wouldn't be suprised if the Mossad was behind it, or other intelligence agency, to accelerate the conflict between the Iran and Israeli coalition. Stranger things happend before in the history, just saying.

"Israeli Coalition"? The biggest agitators for war with Iran isn't Israel. It's the gulf states, that's what the Mecca Summit was entirely about. Israel's goal with Iran is two fold, 1) prevent nuclear proliferation which can and will fall into the hands of 2) irgc, quds forces which fund, and arm various militias that target Israel specifically. (Hezbollah being one of those forces, which at this point is having minor faux skirmishes with Israel to show an ROI to Iran). Israel involvement in Syria has been crystal clear; they will not tolerate Iranian rocket or air power facilities so close to Israel, and to the dismay of Syria, this comes with the blessing of not just the US but Russia as well. They also won't allow Iran to develop nuclear capabilities which they can and will give to their proxies to use – it is a direct threat, and also a cause for other ME countries to arm themselves with nukes. KSA first, since they technically already have a few – just parked in Pakistan.

The other big agitator for war with Iran is Iran itself. Or rather, primarily, the IRGC, which, like the KGB in USSR is a state within a state. Since the crisis with Iran, the IRGC has benefitted the most, they and other hardliners win popular support the more they are shown to be in conflict with the US. To quote the really good The Hill article on this:

“The Guards are trying to have a manageable and limited conflict with the U.S.,” Saeid Golkar, an academic who has vast contacts within the IRGC and who has interviewed them for his widely published research on the topic, told me. “They know Trump will be in power at least until 2020, and the economic sanctions are biting so hard and they have to do something.” That something -- a limited U.S. attack -- would allow the IRGC to redirect the Iranian body politic away from grievances about state corruption and mismanagement and to place blame on the United States for Iran’s economic crisis. There have been ongoing protests in Iran since December 2017. Inflation is estimated to be 40 percent annually. And there is wide unemployment of up to 40 percent in rural areas.

A U.S. attack would allow the IRGC to declare a state of emergency in Iran -- something it has already threatened to do. It would give the IRGC even more control over Iran’s economy, in which it has a 20 percent interest, according to U.S. government estimates. There are already discussions within the Guards about limiting exports. Last week, according to Persian media sources, an IRGC official who was a minister during the Iran-Iraq war said that, just as during that war, if private-sector business owners do not sell their materials to the state, they will be executed. He implied that investments should serve the state only because Iran is in “an economic war.”

The Interpreter, a magazine published by the Lowy Institute in Australia also chimed in on why now when Rouhani and Trump meeting seemed possible.

"A longer look back at the course of events over recent months leading to the Abqaiq attack provides helpful context. Only a few weeks after the Trump administration ended its sanction waiver on Iranian oil imports on 12 May, four ships were damaged off the coast of Fujairah in the Gulf of Oman. One month later, two oil tankers owned by Japan and Norway were attacked in the Strait of Hormuz, apparently with limpet mines. On 20 June, the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) shot down an American RQ-4A Global Hawk surveillance drone, and two weeks later, Iranian tanker Grace 1 was seized by Gibraltar, which was retaliated by IRGC’s seizure of British-flagged tanker Stena Impero."

"Then followed two months of relative calm, despite the imposition of US sanctions on Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif. The Iranian tanker was released by Gibraltar, and Zarif travelled to France during the G7 Summit, meeting with French President Emmanuel Macron. And if John Bolton’s dismissal by Donald Trump on 10 September was not enough indication of Washington’s willingness to engage in meaningful negotiations with Iran, then the impression left by Trump that “he is actively considering a French plan to extend a $15 billion credit line to the Iranians” gave the idea more credibility."

"One theory is that hardliners and IRGC want to curtail a potential thawing of relations between Iran and the US. Indeed, all the positive signals in the last two months might have led IRGC commanders to the conclusion that a Trump-Rouhani meeting and agreement at the UNGA was eminent, and they simply tried to prevent it from happening. This theory is corroborated by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s remarks on Tuesday that publicly banned negotiations between Iranian officials and the US at “any level whether in New York or anywhere else”.

Khamenei and the IRGC have been against Iran-US negotiations and have a history of disrupting efforts at rapprochement. This has ranged from attacking a foreign tourists’ bus in the 2000s to undermining then-president Mohammad Khatami’s diplomatic efforts to normalise relations with the West, to a provocative missile test in 2016 with the weapon marked “Israel should be wiped off the map” in Hebrew, only six months after the nuclear deal was signed. The latest on the row came in October 2018, when Iran was blamed by France for its foiled bombing of opposition Mujahedin-e-Khalq (MEK) rally in Paris. This was ahead of Rouhani’s visit to Paris to salvage the nuclear deal.

This theory might be consistent with the pattern of spoiling diplomatic efforts, but it must also be asked whether Khamenei would have taken such a potentially risky step without having Rouhani onside. Further, there are no reports from Tehran indicating either Zarif or Rouhani were left out, as had been the case when Syria’s Bashar al-Assad’s visit to Tehran in March, which resulted in Zarif’s offer of resignation."

You know who else was eager to have the Trump administration respond with attacks?
A certain individual named John Bolton. Even Vox agrees that there is little indication that Trump wants an all out war in the Middle-East and was eager to renegotiate the Iran nuclear treaty. Bolton, a war-hawk, was pressuring Trump to respond with attacks on Iran, which, as I have laid out would have benefited the IRGC forces.

As suggesting that it could be the "Mossad", frankly, it could be the Russians as well, since Russia, an oil-rich country stands to benefit from an oil price increase of nearly 20% in a single day. Or hell, any other oil-producing nation. But what it is most likely, and what most evidence points to – if you actually care to understand the inner workings of Iran – is that it is Iran's IRGC forces trying very hard to instigate a low level conflict that would solidify their power base in Iran.

Frankly, the US does not and should not go to war with Iran. Why should they? The Sanctions are working.

Black Graphic T wrote:

I really doubt the Saudi attacks and Japanese tanker attack are anything other then the retaliatory actions of Yeminies extremist after being screwed around with for years now by both US and Saudi actions. Donald Trump however would rather it have all be staged, by Iran, so he can invade Iran, because god damn if a war doesn't drum up Republican Support in this retarded country.

As I have outlined in my previous post the IRGC forces have stood to gain quite a lot from the small-scale attacks on oil-tankers. They want to provoke a small scale war, which so far, the Trump administration has resisted. Why the hell would Trump want a war with Iran when that's exactly what IRGC forces want, and what much of his base does not? When the sanctions are working, not just as expected, but even better? When even outlets like Vox, who I doubt have much love for Trump, have to admit "There’s little indication Trump wants to ignite another war in the Middle East despite his tough Iran stance. In fact, the Washington Post reported Tuesday that Bolton was “devastated” Trump chose not to attack Iran after it downed an American surveillance drone in June." Why would he want to drum up Republican Support when he enjoys 80-87% approval among the Republican base? Like, I get we don't like the dude, but on this issue he's shown good restraint – as he should – thankfully.

poochyena wrote:

for who?

Democrats. The senate makes the final decision to impeach and 67 votes are needed to impeach. There are only 47 Democrats meaning you would need 20 republicans to vote for impeachment which won’t happen. And when he gets acquitted he’ll go around yelling “witch-hunt”. A majority of voters won’t pay attention to the precedings beyond an occasional headline and there’s a good chance they’ll believe it is a witch-hunt. That combined with the likelihood of the DNC forcing an establishment candidate down our throats could lead to Trumps re-election. And even if Trump were to get impeached you get a Pence presidency, which would be just like Trumps minus the constant autistic screeching.

>A majority of voters won’t pay attention to the precedings beyond an occasional headline and there’s a good chance they’ll believe it is a witch-hunt.

That didn't happen with russian collusion scandal, so why would it with impeachment?

> if Trump were to get impeached you get a Pence presidency

This is impeachment, not removal from office.

poochyena wrote:

>A majority of voters won’t pay attention to the precedings beyond an occasional headline and there’s a good chance they’ll believe it is a witch-hunt.

That didn't happen with russian collusion scandal, so why would it with impeachment?

> if Trump were to get impeached you get a Pence presidency

This is impeachment, not removal from office.

The DNC's impeachment IS to remove President Trump from office. The left has been like howler monkeys after him to get him out of the White House. Ironically they are well on their way to ensure he remains in there for another 4 years.

poochyena wrote:

>A majority of voters won’t pay attention to the precedings beyond an occasional headline and there’s a good chance they’ll believe it is a witch-hunt.

That didn't happen with russian collusion scandal, so why would it with impeachment?

> if Trump were to get impeached you get a Pence presidency

This is impeachment, not removal from office.

Are you saying that everyone read the Mueller report and now everyone thinks Trump is a puppet to Putin?

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

Are you saying that everyone read the Mueller report and now everyone thinks Trump is a puppet to Putin?

Im saying it didn't help him.

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

Are you saying that everyone read the Mueller report and now everyone thinks Trump is a puppet to Putin?

I mean every other story is about how he keeps trying to do Russia solids and get them closer to the EU or give them more Money, so yeah I think he's either a puppet or a sucker.

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

Well if approval ratings mean anything it hasn't hurt him either.

right, thats the point. There is nothing to lose trying. He's not going to gain support from this, either stay the same or lose.

It's not much, but I think this is the first time President Zelensky has publicly talked about the scandal.

From the Ukrainian perspective, I think they're fine with whoever is in the Oval Office just so long as they support Ukraine. But right now they seem to be stuck between a rock and a couple of hard places.

poochyena wrote:

>A majority of voters won’t pay attention to the precedings beyond an occasional headline and there’s a good chance they’ll believe it is a witch-hunt.

That didn't happen with russian collusion scandal, so why would it with impeachment?

> if Trump were to get impeached you get a Pence presidency

This is impeachment, not removal from office.

"This is impeachment, not removal from office"

Why do you think they're calling for impeachment

Team Arkos wrote:

The DNC's impeachment IS to remove President Trump from office. The left has been like howler monkeys after him to get him out of the White House. Ironically they are well on their way to ensure he remains in there for another 4 years.

Trump brought this upon himself by ordering a whistleblower complaint about him be blocked from Congress, which is against the law.

Except if you think laws are for Democrats.

ActivistZero wrote:

"This is impeachment, not removal from office"

Why do you think they're calling for impeachment

…because he abused his powers as president?

BrentD15 wrote:

Trump brought this upon himself by ordering a whistleblower complaint about him be blocked from Congress, which is against the law.

Except if you think laws are for Democrats.

A "Whistleblower" who NEVER HEARD THE PHONE CALL? Said "Whistleblower" who is a partisan hack that has been discredited.

There is no there there, no evidence what so ever. It's getting boring because it's the same repeat of the same empty shit they have done before.

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/politics/white-house-ukraine-talking-points/index.html

You can't make this shit up. Trump Administration literally writing scripts for their supporters to spew out, and accidentally sent it to the democrats.

You better get typing Arkos, it's not every day you get to astroturf from the very top.

Chewybunny wrote:

We're reaching levels of 10D Vulcan Hyper Chess at this rate bois.

Did you see that fake leak about the guy threatening to resign? Feels like the trump Administration is taking notes from game of thrones to try and find the leakers.

Black Graphic T wrote:

Did you see that fake leak about the guy threatening to resign? Feels like the trump Administration is taking notes from game of thrones to try and find the leakers.

Was it fake though? The guy said he never said that, but if I recall, most of the time there is a rumor about someone threatening to quit, they say they didn't, but then a few weeks later they do.

BrentD15 wrote:

So, Dear Leader Trump has dragged Giuliani, Barr, Pence, and Pompeo under the bus with him.

You make it sound like we should pity them. They did themselves in by supporting Trump.

A tweet from May


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Ah, the smell of desperation and failure coming from the left is getting worse by the moment. Try as much as you like, President Trump has politically defeated you and you already know it. He has raised $5 MILLION just after the Dems filed for impeachment.

It's a good day.

Arkos is probably just a reactionary that just listens to whatever people tell him to think about the latest headlines rather than doing his own research.

poochyena wrote:

Arkos is probably just a reactionary that just listens to whatever people tell him to think about the latest headlines rather than doing his own research.

That is amusing coming from an NPC like your self. Seeing that Today that the CIA swamp dweller just blew up their reputation by showing that President Trump was right back when he said that he is being spied on. The deep state attempted another Coup and failed.

I do my own research when I need to. Why should I give you any more? You refuse to read any of it.

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Black Graphic T wrote:

You know more and more I'm convinced you're linking yout own YouTube content here for evidence.

Nah, it's just easier for the lefties here to take it in, seeing that they are not deep readers.

Team Arkos wrote:

Nah, it's just easier for the lefties here to take it in, seeing that they are not deep readers.

Well at least some of us believe in things, unlike you, in which your entire philosophy is "everything Trump does is good".

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

You make it sound like we should pity them. They did themselves in by supporting Trump.

Pity?
I'd sell popcorn to witness that stuff.


A few things come to mind.
One of them being Jamal Khashoggi.

Black Graphic T wrote:

Is it any wonder that the corporate elite whose had many business deals spoiled due to whistleblowers, thinks that we should execute whistleblowers as spies?

Honestly, I feel like if we're going to use this logic, Trump should be executed for Treason, considering the amount of national secrets and us personal he has routinely endangered with his constant tweeting to flex on iran and slide into russia's Dm's.

I've always been a fan of bringing back the Guillotine.
Many politicians. Probably 90% of them deserve it.
The people demand blood, and blood is what the people shall receive.

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