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Hunter Nightblood wrote:

Great, we've barely started and the democrats are already fracturing the base, and as Hanlon's Razor gets thrown to the wayside, the Trump supporters get to watch as the conspiracy theorists tear the democratic party apart, again.

It's' 2016 all fucking over again.

It’s time the democratic party dies, we need a new progressive party, not two moderate right wing parties

Kenetic Kups wrote:

It’s time the democratic party dies, we need a new progressive party, not two moderate right wing parties

What we need is more than two viable political parties, which is never going to happen.

The current system encourages you to vote against the candidate you don't want to win, not the candidate you want to win.

On an unrelated note, I find it laughable that conspiracy theorists are seriously thinking that the young, married gay man is the candidate the DNC is shilling for. The sole goal of a political party is to get elected, and I can guarantee you that the DNC is not hoping for Pete to win.

BrentD15 wrote:

Why would Trump and the GOP want Bernie to win the nomination?
Because they see him as an easy reelection for Trump.

Get it yet?

I remember when democrats wanted trump to win since he would be the easiest republican to beat.

poochyena wrote:

I remember when democrats wanted trump to win since he would be the easiest republican to beat.

Well, a lot of people thought that.
Even Trump himself thought he was likely to lose (and secretly hoped he would, so he could forever air grievances on Fox news while Hillary was impeached endlessly by the Republican House and Senate).

That State of the Union address was fucking horrible. It wasn't even a SOTU, it was a campaign speech filled with the same buzzwords he used every other time.

I also love how most of his guests were people of color, as if to say, "hey guys, we totally care about you!" And I also love how he touted the family reunion as an accomplishment. Congratulations, Trump. You brought one guy back to parade around.

Also the fact that Pelosi ripping up the speech triggered Trump supports is just pathetic. It's a nontroversy, and it's fake outrage, but it'll be paraded around as Pelosi attacking the poor, poor guests and their beloved President.

I can't stand people like that. People who talk shit about others, yet the second they are attacked, they cry in the corner and play the victim card.

poochyena wrote:

Some good news from my state

Mitt Romney will also vote to convict.
That removes the "partisan conviction" talking point from Trump.
He has more courage than the rest of the Republican Senate Majority.

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Truly shocking turn of events. Who would've thunk that the majority of Republicans aren't willing to sacrifice their political careers for people who would never vote for them any way?

Airtrek wrote:

Truly shocking turn of events. Who would've thunk that the majority of Republicans aren't willing to sacrifice their political careers for people who would never vote for them any way?

And now Joe Manchin is a Yes on conviction and removal.
That should give a 52-48 acquittal vote, with all Democratic + 1 Republican Senators voting to convict, and the rest of the Republican majority acquitting.


Trump threatens to veto Puerto Rico earthquake relief bill.

President throws a tantrum.

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BrentD15 wrote:

Mitt Romney will also vote to convict.
That removes the "partisan conviction" talking point from Trump.
He has more courage than the rest of the Republican Senate Majority.

No it's still partisan. Mitt Romney is one person. Plus he only voted guilty on article i. He's also a chickenhawk so no he is not courageous.

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

No it's still partisan. Mitt Romney is one person. Plus he only voted guilty on article i. He's also a chickenhawk so no he is not courageous.

Not to mention he’s just doing it because he hates trump

I've taken a long vacation from this place, and now I come back. President Trump is found Innocent of all charges while the Dems just killed themselves all within 3 days. Life is good.

Mark my words, by the end of this year the Democrat party will no longer exist but to break up into smaller parties that can no longer stop the republicans.

remember the tea party? The anti-trump republicans? They were waaaaaaay more extreme, but the republican party held together. I really don't see the democrat party splitting any time soon.

Team Arkos wrote:

I've taken a long vacation from this place, and now I come back. President Trump is found Innocent of all charges while the Dems just killed themselves all within 3 days. Life is good.

Mark my words, by the end of this year the Democrat party will no longer exist but to break up into smaller parties that can no longer stop the republicans.

I'm sure this will age well.

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

No it's still partisan. Mitt Romney is one person. Plus he only voted guilty on article i. He's also a chickenhawk so no he is not courageous.

45 Democrats, 2 Independents, and 1 Republican vs 52 Republicans.
Sounds bipartisan to me.

Kenetic Kups said:

Not to mention he’s just doing it because he hates trump

That says more about you saying that than it did about Romney.

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BrentD15 wrote:

45 Democrats, 2 Independents, and 1 Republican vs 52 Republicans.
Sounds bipartisan to me.

Kenetic Kups said:

Not to mention he’s just doing it because he hates trump

That says more about you saying that than it did about Romney.

Mitt Romney
Voted to use federal funding to build Trump's wall
Voted against giving Puerto Rico disaster relief money
Voted against ending sales of weapons to Saudi Arabia and UAE
Voted for all of Trump's cabinet picks
And best of he voted to lift sanctions on Russia. You know the country you think rigged the 2016 election?
Also he votes with Trump 78% of the time
But go on about how courageous and anti-Trump Mitt Romney is.

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PatrickBateman96 wrote:

Mitt Romney
Voted to use federal funding to build Trump's wall
Voted against giving Puerto Rico disaster relief money
Voted against ending sales of weapons to Saudi Arabia and UAE
Voted for all of Trump's cabinet picks
And best of he voted to lift sanctions on Russia. You know the country you think rigged the 2016 election?
Also he votes with Trump 78% of the time
But go on about how courageous and anti-Trump Mitt Romney is.

Considering that Trump and his allies are raging at him for defying Dear Leader, it was pretty courageous.

poochyena wrote:

remember the tea party? The anti-trump republicans? They were waaaaaaay more extreme, but the republican party held together. I really don't see the democrat party splitting any time soon.

No, the tea party took over the reps

BrentD15 wrote:

45 Democrats, 2 Independents, and 1 Republican vs 52 Republicans.
Sounds bipartisan to me.

Kenetic Kups said:

Not to mention he’s just doing it because he hates trump

That says more about you saying that than it did about Romney.

>that says more about me
what about me?
that I don’t have any faith in the slimy asshole that is mitt romney?

Justice Department memo now claims all investigations into 2020 presidential campaigns must be cleared by Attorney General himself.


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Treasury Department begins cooperation over US Senate investigation of Hunter Biden, while also refusing to cooperate with House investigation of Donald Trump.

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BrentD15 wrote:

Considering that Trump and his allies are raging at him for defying Dear Leader, it was pretty courageous.

I can’t believe I have to say this twice but he voted not guilty on article ii. Maybe too some extent he did stray from the pack, but not far enough that he should be praised.

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

I'm sure this will age well.

It'll age better than Biden or Bernie has. Seeing that the DNC now has announced they want to re-canvas the Iowa caucus. They just can't seem to rig their primary any more obvious. The odds I hear that at the DNC party in Milwaukee is they toss out all the other candidates and pick Bloomberg at their candidate, now who he will pick for his VP is up in the air but I can say Ol' Hillary will pop back up for it. She isn't having more $50k a plate dinner fund raisers with her for nothing you know?

Now once the DNC riggs their primary again, and LOSES again to President Trump, I am sure the left and many of you in here will have it with the DNC and leave it to form another party. splitting the their votes and ensuring they remain in the minority for ages to come.

President Trump wins again.

BrentD15 wrote:

Justice Department memo now claims all investigations into 2020 presidential campaigns must be cleared by Attorney General himself.


US Navy dismantles Climate Change Task Force.

Task Force was put in place to prepare US Navy for shifts in sea levels.


Treasury Department begins cooperation over US Senate investigation of Hunter Biden, while also refusing to cooperate with House investigation of Donald Trump.

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Team Arkos wrote:

It'll age better than Biden or Bernie has. Seeing that the DNC now has announced they want to re-canvas the Iowa caucus. They just can't seem to rig their primary any more obvious. The odds I hear that at the DNC party in Milwaukee is they toss out all the other candidates and pick Bloomberg at their candidate, now who he will pick for his VP is up in the air but I can say Ol' Hillary will pop back up for it. She isn't having more $50k a plate dinner fund raisers with her for nothing you know?

Now once the DNC riggs their primary again, and LOSES again to President Trump, I am sure the left and many of you in here will have it with the DNC and leave it to form another party. splitting the their votes and ensuring they remain in the minority for ages to come.

President Trump wins again.

I know you desperately want the US to be a single party state but that ain't gonna happen. The democratic party has gone through worse. It split in 1860 and 1948 but it's still here.

Team Arkos wrote:

It'll age better than Biden or Bernie has. Seeing that the DNC now has announced they want to re-canvas the Iowa caucus. They just can't seem to rig their primary any more obvious. The odds I hear that at the DNC party in Milwaukee is they toss out all the other candidates and pick Bloomberg at their candidate, now who he will pick for his VP is up in the air but I can say Ol' Hillary will pop back up for it. She isn't having more $50k a plate dinner fund raisers with her for nothing you know?

Now once the DNC riggs their primary again, and LOSES again to President Trump, I am sure the left and many of you in here will have it with the DNC and leave it to form another party. splitting the their votes and ensuring they remain in the minority for ages to come.

President Trump wins again.

Or, Bernie could win despite the rigging, then once he’s elected president
he, along with all the other progressives, can leave it to die and form their own party

If I might speculate as a clueless outsider, I strongly suspect that aside from one hell of a grudge against flumpf, Romney is motivated by this delusional fantasy of becoming the "natural choice of leader when the republicans finally come to their senses and throw off Trumpist populism" and hopes that by whining about Trump loudly enough and kowtowing to the democrats he can build up an image of a "principled moderate" that will finally get the respect he deserves from the mainstream media

Obviously….this is hilariously fucking stupid, but he still thinks that doing what his PR team tell him to will magically start working any day now, so he keeps grovelling to his enemies and hissing at those who he thinks he is entitled to have as allies

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

I know you desperately want the US to be a single party state but that ain't gonna happen. The democratic party has gone through worse. It split in 1860 and 1948 but it's still here.

Don't forget late sixties/early seventies with the Dixiecrats.


Well, the Trump supporters are already trying to sabotage the Democratic party's primary by flooding call centers in Iowa.

And not just Iowa, but South Carolina as well.


Fox News internal memo highlights clear conflicts of interest amongst key players in the Ukraine Shakedown. Brian S. Murphy, of the Fox News "Brain Room" team, created the document.

Examples:



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Kenetic Kups wrote:

Or, Bernie could win despite the rigging, then once he’s elected president
he, along with all the other progressives, can leave it to die and form their own party

Bernie will never be elected president. In fact i fully believe he won't win the primary because he was shafted one, he'll be shafted again by the DNC big wigs and thrown out the door. Once he is out, he'll rip apart a major chunk of the Dems voting block with him and might run on his own.

My gut is still telling me Bloomberg (and his money) has the DNC by the balls and they will stick him into the slot in the end.

The fall out from Iowa is still ongoing, and I am being surprised by some of it. The national DNC called for a re-canvas but the state is refusing to so. Citing if any candidate wants one, they will do it. So far I haven't heard of them wanting it.

I do have to admit that Pete is performing far better than I gave him credit for. I guess he is using the tactic of being a photogenic guy who has not much to show for what he has done and dodging hard interviews is working for him. So far.

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

I know you desperately want the US to be a single party state but that ain't gonna happen. The democratic party has gone through worse. It split in 1860 and 1948 but it's still here.

That's where you're wrong kiddo.

In fact it appears that we will have many more parties than ever in living memory. Yet The Republicans will remain the biggest and will get the most done. Granted it won't last forever as history shows. The smaller parties either die off or make amends with others and reform into a bigger party.

Team Arkos wrote:

That's where you're wrong kiddo.

In fact it appears that we will have many more parties than ever in living memory. Yet The Republicans will remain the biggest and will get the most done. Granted it won't last forever as history shows. The smaller parties either die off or make amends with others and reform into a bigger party.

"In fact it appears that we will have many more parties than ever in living memory."
And you're basing that on what exactly?
Because there are only two wings of the democratic party, the neoliberals and progressives.

Team Arkos wrote:

Bernie will never be elected president. In fact i fully believe he won't win the primary because he was shafted one, he'll be shafted again by the DNC big wigs and thrown out the door. Once he is out, he'll rip apart a major chunk of the Dems voting block with him and might run on his own.

My gut is still telling me Bloomberg (and his money) has the DNC by the balls and they will stick him into the slot in the end.

The fall out from Iowa is still ongoing, and I am being surprised by some of it. The national DNC called for a re-canvas but the state is refusing to so. Citing if any candidate wants one, they will do it. So far I haven't heard of them wanting it.

I do have to admit that Pete is performing far better than I gave him credit for. I guess he is using the tactic of being a photogenic guy who has not much to show for what he has done and dodging hard interviews is working for him. So far.

The dnc will likely attempt to screw over Bernie again, but if he gets the nomination I belive he stands a reasonable chance to win

Most of the country votes in primaries soon, so here is my push for single payer healthcare and bernie sanders;

Every year, over 250,000 people go to the website gofundme.com to beg for money from strangers to help pay for the medical expensive.1 Many americans are unable to afford healthcare with 4 in 10 adults unable to pay for an unexpected $400+ medical bill without going into debt. Over one-fourth of adults skipped necessary medical care in 2017 due to being unable to afford the cost.2 Many Americans are relying on Uber drivers to drive them to the hospital because they can not afford to call an ambulance. 8 Millions of Americans are choosing to not take their live-saving medication because they are simply unable to afford it.9

The reason is because American is the only major country without a single payer (aka medicare for all or m4a) healthcare system, in which healthcare is paid through taxes and handled by the government, rather than insurance companies who are looking to make a profit, rather than to simply improve the health of citizens.

Our system is not better in any way. We spend 10% to 20% more in overhead than other countries. This equates to at least $300 billion per year in useless spending. Our billing system is a major culprit of these overhead costs. The average cost of a birth in the US is around $10,800, while in other countries the cost is between $2,000 to $3,500.3 And that is paid for by the government/tax payers, not the individual or insurance. Even with insurance in the US, the average out of pocket cost is $1,686 + $558 aftercare for the baby.4 People in countries with single payer like Canada and the UK pay practically $0 out of pocket for child birth. Possible some money for parking or hospital food. Insulin costs $340 in the United States, but only costs $30 in Canada.10

On average, other wealthy countries spend half as much per person on healthcare than the U.S.5 Despite the higher cost, the US does not provide the best care. The survival rate for common cancers is above average, but not significantly, or twice, as better as other major countries.6
A national health insurance program could save approximately $150 billion on paperwork alone. Because of the administrative complexities in our current system, over 25% of every health care dollar goes to marketing, billing, utilization review, and other forms of waste. A single-payer system could reduce administrative costs greatly.7

Single payer healthcare would bring down the overall costs of treating people in America, along with reducing the amount of money the average american spends on healthcare. Instead of the money going to for-profit insurance companies and hospitals, it will go directly to the government in a tiered system where people who can pay more in taxes, pay more, and those who can't, don't. It gives everyone equal access to medical treatment regardless of income.

Bernie Sanders is the only candidate running for office fully committed to implementing a single payer healthcare system in the United Sates. As the richest country on earth, we should not be forcing out citizens to go online begging for money simply so they can afford basic healthcare services that every single other major country does provide.

sources
1 https://www.gofundme.com/start/medical-fundraising
2 https://www.federalreserve.gov/publications/files/2017-report-economic-well-being-us-households-201805.pdf
3 https://www.insider.com/costs-giving-birth-around-the-world-2018-7#the-united-states-has-one-of-the-highest-birth-costs-with-surprise-billing-skyrocketing-some-bills-to-six-figures-1
4 https://www.thecut.com/2018/12/how-much-does-it-actually-cost-to-give-birth.html
6 https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/how-do-healthcare-prices-and-use-in-the-u-s-compare-to-other-countries/#item-the-u-s-performs-more-knee-replacements-than-comparably-wealthy-countries_2018
6 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_quality_of_healthcare
7 http://www.pnhp.org/facts/singlepayer_myths_singlepayer_facts.php
8 https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/12/18/571689807/cities-with-uber-have-lower-rates-of-ambulance-usage
9 https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/19/health/drug-costs/index.html
10 https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2019-11-07/why-are-insulin-prices-still-so-high-for-us-patients

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So of the 35 senate seats up for grabs, 23 of them are Republican seats. There is a very big sense of dissatisfaction over how the Impeachment vote was handled, and I don't think there's really anything Republicans can do to fix the image.

Whether you agree or not, the public perception is that the republicans in the senate admitted trump broke the law, but decided to acquit him anyway. I am very doubtful the senate is going to remain in Republican hands, and if they lose seats in the congress as well, that's going to look even worse.

If the democrats end up losing seats or trump remains in power…well, I guess that's it then. Democracy had a good run, and I guess fascism is what's on the menu for a while.

Trump is currently removing the impeachment witnesses from his administration.
First Lt.Col. Vindman, and now Gordon Sondland. Vindman was a witness for the Democrats, and Sondland for the Republicans.

A Friday Night Massacre.

I ask only because of how nervous social media and reddit have made me: are we really looking at the "death" of America here? Im no trump fan and am a lefist and would vote blue but i just dont know.

Soul28 wrote:

I ask only because of how nervous social media and reddit have made me: are we really looking at the "death" of America here? Im no trump fan and am a lefist and would vote blue but i just dont know.

Depends on what you mean
I wholeheartedly support a new constitutional convention
the us has been operating on 1800s laws for two long

This comes from pete buttigeg website, which requires signing up to their email list to get.

"Our intention is for this proposal to create a pathway towards a universal, national expectation of service for all 4 million high school graduates every year, such that the first question asked of every college freshman or new hire is: “where did you serve?” A new generation of American youth, bound by mutual service and sacrifice, aware of the common values that bind all Americans, influenced by the experience of doing real work with people across races, politics, faiths, income levels, and gender identities, and imbued with an appreciation of the effort required to maintain a democracy can help heal a divided nation."

Mother fucker sounds like he wants to bring back the fucking draft.

Kenetic Kups wrote:

Depends on what you mean
I wholeheartedly support a new constitutional convention
the us has been operating on 1800s laws for two long

You know who else wants it?
The Koch family, the Mercers, the Adelsons, and all the other hyper-conservative donor networks that want to change how America is run so they can rule unimpeded.

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