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Ryumaru Borike wrote:

https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/1220555307916677120

Can you say article 3 of impeachment?

He's desperate.
Here's a CBS source.
https://twitter.com/CBSEveningNews/status/1220491412854185984

Last edited Jan 24, 2020 at 07:50AM EST

BrentD15 wrote:

'Take her out!' -Donald Trump caught on tape talking to Igor Fruman and Lev Parnas about Marie Yovanovitch.

The people he was talking to had no ability or authority to fire her. It was a hit order.

As much as I hate Trump, I'll go with Hanlon's razor and assume it's his general incompetence for asking the wrong person.

thebigguy123 wrote:

According to the Doomsday Clock, as a species we are even closer to oblivion than during the Cold War.

I'm scared as shit right now.

Ever since Trinity went off,it's been a matter of when, not if
humanity wipes itself out

Just thought it'd be relevant here, but I figure if you like politics, and maybe some political thrillers. There is a Norwegian show on Netflix called "occupied" which I strongly recommend. It's extremely well done, with season 2 and 3 so far being super intense and real politik.

The premise is in some near future Norway goes full oil/gas free which causes turmoil across the EU. The EU effectively asks the Russians to restart the oil/gas industries in Norway, but it turns slowly into an occupation. It's incredibly well done and I highly recommend it.

poochyena wrote:

Kinda amazing how the only retort against Sanders is just shouting "SOCIALISM" over and over again.

And that Medicare4All is self-destructive to US health insurance market.

Anthony Albanese is leading in the opinion polls after Scott Morrison's piss responses to the bushfires.

Of course, Bill Shorten was leading in the opinion polls in our last election. So they're definitely not worth trusting, especially since the media is determined to shift as much blame away from the Liberal Party as possible.

They've got two responses. Blaming greenies for getting back burning banned even though the Greens are not in power on state or federal level. Which the Libs love to do, blaming people not in power for fuck ups. And blaming arsonists for lighting fires, conveniently ignoring that climate change is making said fires worse, and because there are less Fire Masters (thanks to their gutting of the National Parks budget), fires are becoming harder to control.

Honestly, ScoMo deserves prison for crimes against humanity. He has blood on his hands.

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Kenetic Kups said:

Are you implying that’s a bad thing?

Why should I give up MY health insurance to make YOU feel better about yourself?

It’s almost as if the whome thing was just for show

Well, having a Democratic Majority in the House certainly helped things, as well as Trump's arrogance in thinking he could just withhold aid from an allied country after the Mueller hearing earlier last year.

The outcome was never truly in doubt. The Senate is saving him to save themselves from the consequences of what should've been a moment of heroic patriotism.

And you can blame the Democrats all you want for this, but the Republicans own his inevitable acquittal.

In additional news, Pat Cipollone was outed as a co-conspirator by John Bolton.

Last edited Jan 31, 2020 at 06:55PM EST

BrentD15 wrote:

Kenetic Kups said:

Are you implying that’s a bad thing?

Why should I give up MY health insurance to make YOU feel better about yourself?

It’s almost as if the whome thing was just for show

Well, having a Democratic Majority in the House certainly helped things, as well as Trump's arrogance in thinking he could just withhold aid from an allied country after the Mueller hearing earlier last year.

The outcome was never truly in doubt. The Senate is saving him to save themselves from the consequences of what should've been a moment of heroic patriotism.

And you can blame the Democrats all you want for this, but the Republicans own his inevitable acquittal.

In additional news, Pat Cipollone was outed as a co-conspirator by John Bolton.

Health insurance shouldn’t exist
I’m sorry if everyone having acces to healthcare makes you feel inadequate

Kenetic Kups wrote:

Health insurance shouldn’t exist
I’m sorry if everyone having acces to healthcare makes you feel inadequate

He's a neoliberal, so there's really no point in arguing with him.

poochyena wrote:

Why would you NOT want to trade in you health insurance for single payer? It's a direct upgrade

For smaller countries, yeah it will work. But for countries like the United States, it's damn near impossible. Factors also include triage, income, and class are some of the more common hurdles.

But there's also the melting pot of America as everyone has different needs, compare to Poland where the majority of population all have a similar immune system. Unlike a typical American, who's background who can be a mix of practically any country in the world, makes finding a treatment specific to that individual vary on cost on both their medication and required stay time at the hospital and other factors unknown.

And there's there's the immigration part where we got a few politicians who want to provide coverage for illegal immigrants. I am admittedly against it, and you may counter that free health care is a human right, but in order for single payer to work, everyone needs to chip in and that includes the people hiding under the radar.

Last edited Feb 02, 2020 at 01:54AM EST

Kenetic Kups wrote:

Health insurance shouldn’t exist
I’m sorry if everyone having acces to healthcare makes you feel inadequate

I pay a lot less with insurance than I do without.

DeFACT0 wrote:

For smaller countries, yeah it will work. But for countries like the United States, it's damn near impossible. Factors also include triage, income, and class are some of the more common hurdles.

But there's also the melting pot of America as everyone has different needs, compare to Poland where the majority of population all have a similar immune system. Unlike a typical American, who's background who can be a mix of practically any country in the world, makes finding a treatment specific to that individual vary on cost on both their medication and required stay time at the hospital and other factors unknown.

And there's there's the immigration part where we got a few politicians who want to provide coverage for illegal immigrants. I am admittedly against it, and you may counter that free health care is a human right, but in order for single payer to work, everyone needs to chip in and that includes the people hiding under the radar.

Than we should help illegals get citizenship so they can start paying taxes

BrentD15 wrote:

I pay a lot less with insurance than I do without.

Unless you made over 500k a year, you will most likely be paying less for healthcare with single payer. That's literally the entire point

DeFACT0 wrote:

For smaller countries, yeah it will work. But for countries like the United States, it's damn near impossible. Factors also include triage, income, and class are some of the more common hurdles.

But there's also the melting pot of America as everyone has different needs, compare to Poland where the majority of population all have a similar immune system. Unlike a typical American, who's background who can be a mix of practically any country in the world, makes finding a treatment specific to that individual vary on cost on both their medication and required stay time at the hospital and other factors unknown.

And there's there's the immigration part where we got a few politicians who want to provide coverage for illegal immigrants. I am admittedly against it, and you may counter that free health care is a human right, but in order for single payer to work, everyone needs to chip in and that includes the people hiding under the radar.

What kind of racist propaganda is this? First off, America is the richest country and has the most billionaires, so we have a larger pool of money than other countries so Idk what you mean by the first paragraph. 2nd, no, people of different backgrounds of you aren't some mutant species that require vastly different treatments. We are get cancer, break bones, and get the flu. The only rare diseases that are hard to treat are genetic, and it can be completely random.
Illegal immigrants are people too. They shouldn't be illegal. Give them citizenship.

Kenetic Kups wrote:

Than we should help illegals get citizenship so they can start paying taxes

We should but the wait time for residents from third-world countries is about 20 years to get a visa. So it's understandable why someone would hop the fence rather than wait for so long.

poochyena wrote:

What kind of racist propaganda is this? First off, America is the richest country and has the most billionaires, so we have a larger pool of money than other countries so Idk what you mean by the first paragraph. 2nd, no, people of different backgrounds of you aren't some mutant species that require vastly different treatments. We are get cancer, break bones, and get the flu. The only rare diseases that are hard to treat are genetic, and it can be completely random.
Illegal immigrants are people too. They shouldn't be illegal. Give them citizenship.

We are also in debt, too. Keep that in mind when you want to do a government issue single-payer. And the only time billionaires are willing to part with their cash is through charity. So maybe a government-sponsored fundraiser to raise money for health care should be an appropriate solution? Billionaires get their tax cut and Uncle Sam gets his money to provide health care to all.

Again people are diverse inside and out. I had a boss who smoked five packs his entire life, but his lungs are still healthy. Something about a mutation in his chromosome. But there's more to it than just black lungs and broken bones when it comes to the immune system. Everyone's different, it's why some hospitals give out questionnaires about family histories on diseases.

DeFACT0 wrote:

We are also in debt, too. Keep that in mind when you want to do a government issue single-payer. And the only time billionaires are willing to part with their cash is through charity. So maybe a government-sponsored fundraiser to raise money for health care should be an appropriate solution? Billionaires get their tax cut and Uncle Sam gets his money to provide health care to all.

Again people are diverse inside and out. I had a boss who smoked five packs his entire life, but his lungs are still healthy. Something about a mutation in his chromosome. But there's more to it than just black lungs and broken bones when it comes to the immune system. Everyone's different, it's why some hospitals give out questionnaires about family histories on diseases.

I love that the U.S. government has to spend over 600 billion dollars a year on the military but no money for Medicare For All.

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

I love that the U.S. government has to spend over 600 billion dollars a year on the military but no money for Medicare For All.

There's more to it than just tanks and artillery. The military is also a business, and its people are the product that provide manpower, maintenance to forts and barracks, utilities, various other obstacles to keep an infrastructure running. It's why we gave USAG Heidelberg back to the Germans because garrison didn't have the money to maintain its foothold.

Yeah, that cash is going to defense, but also that money is also fueling tuition assistance for military personnel who have chosen to enlist for the pursuit of education. Not to mention enlistment bonuses to the new recruits which can range from $25,000 to $100,000 depending on your Military Occupational Specialty (MOS).

Then you got soldiers leaving with medical discharges from injuries sustained during their time in services. They also get a pension based on how severe the injury was, but sometimes the wait for the VA to give them the go is also tedious as VA takes their sweet time on cases. Hell, I am still waiting for dental but so far no confirmation from those assholes.

But a decrease in the military budget would probably get rid of the stigma of 'Imperial Amerika' by giving back installations to their respective countries. And then there's the issue where people are choosing not to enlist.

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

I love that the U.S. government has to spend over 600 billion dollars a year on the military but no money for Medicare For All.

I love that people bang on about Military Spending when it's almost always lower than whatever they're complaining is underfunded.

Poochy said:

2nd, no, people of different backgrounds of you aren't some mutant species that require vastly different treatments. We are get cancer, break bones, and get the flu. The only rare diseases that are hard to treat are genetic, and it can be completely random.

Blood transfusions work best when matched with the patient's ethnic background. Said genetic diseases can have higher likelihoods in certain ethnicities; that isn't to say certain groups of people are going to be healthier overall, but when you have higher diversity in population you require a higher diversity in specialists to treat it. Ethnic diversity in a region undeniably has an impact in the logistics of medical care, not the most significant one I imagine but an important one all the same.

@DeFACT0
> So maybe a government-sponsored fundraiser to raise money for health care should be an appropriate solution?

how is that possibly an appropriate solution to you? We already have people begging for money online. Charity isn't enough.

>and Uncle Sam gets his money to provide health care to all.

It won't be. See all the people on gofundme who don't raise enough money to cover their medical expenses.

>Everyone's different, it's why some hospitals give out questionnaires about family histories on diseases.

…right, thats what I said. you are the one who was making a racist assertion about it, suggesting everyone isn't different, and there are different breeds of people.

@wisehowl_the_2nd
>but when you have higher diversity in population you require a higher diversity in specialists to treat it.

Why do you need a higher diversity in specialists for blood transfusions?

>Said genetic diseases can have higher likelihoods in certain ethnicities

higher likelyhood, yes… so how does this increase costs in any meaningful way? Are you trying to tell me that single payer healthcare is infeasible because .0001% of the US population has a genetic disease that a more white country is less likely to have?

poochyena wrote:

@DeFACT0
> So maybe a government-sponsored fundraiser to raise money for health care should be an appropriate solution?

how is that possibly an appropriate solution to you? We already have people begging for money online. Charity isn't enough.

>and Uncle Sam gets his money to provide health care to all.

It won't be. See all the people on gofundme who don't raise enough money to cover their medical expenses.

>Everyone's different, it's why some hospitals give out questionnaires about family histories on diseases.

…right, thats what I said. you are the one who was making a racist assertion about it, suggesting everyone isn't different, and there are different breeds of people.

@wisehowl_the_2nd
>but when you have higher diversity in population you require a higher diversity in specialists to treat it.

Why do you need a higher diversity in specialists for blood transfusions?

>Said genetic diseases can have higher likelihoods in certain ethnicities

higher likelyhood, yes… so how does this increase costs in any meaningful way? Are you trying to tell me that single payer healthcare is infeasible because .0001% of the US population has a genetic disease that a more white country is less likely to have?

Calling me racist despite that I never refer to people as breeds/mutants species unlike yourself. I mean, fuck, dude, I used the term 'melting pot' in a hopefully respective term because honestly, everyone in America is a mutt and we should all be proud of it despite how random everyone's luck is in terms on who gets cancer or who loses their hair early in life based on their respective family's history. I'll take the oopsie on that prior post, but be wary of throwing the term 'racist' on those who don't deserve it.

Last edited Feb 03, 2020 at 01:28PM EST

Its because you are implying the US can't afford to take care of its citizens because we aren't as "homogeneous" as a country like Poland. To imply that the genetic differences between groups of humans is so vast that its impossible to implement single payer healthcare is ridiculous.

poochyena wrote:

@DeFACT0
> So maybe a government-sponsored fundraiser to raise money for health care should be an appropriate solution?

how is that possibly an appropriate solution to you? We already have people begging for money online. Charity isn't enough.

>and Uncle Sam gets his money to provide health care to all.

It won't be. See all the people on gofundme who don't raise enough money to cover their medical expenses.

>Everyone's different, it's why some hospitals give out questionnaires about family histories on diseases.

…right, thats what I said. you are the one who was making a racist assertion about it, suggesting everyone isn't different, and there are different breeds of people.

@wisehowl_the_2nd
>but when you have higher diversity in population you require a higher diversity in specialists to treat it.

Why do you need a higher diversity in specialists for blood transfusions?

>Said genetic diseases can have higher likelihoods in certain ethnicities

higher likelyhood, yes… so how does this increase costs in any meaningful way? Are you trying to tell me that single payer healthcare is infeasible because .0001% of the US population has a genetic disease that a more white country is less likely to have?

Thanks for misreading my post Poochy, 100% would reply every time. I said specialists in regards to genetic diseases you friggin' first grader, it was in the same sentence so I would appreciate if you would not clip the sentence to make it appear otherwise next time you quote me.

Demographics, population size, and even geography are things that need to be factored with according to healthcare costs; and the United States has each of these in far greater quantities to Poland. There's not going to be a universal law template that can be applied to the US, it needs to be crafted to fit the needs of these costs. At which point then the state needs to be equipped the handle the costs of that system in addition to its other needs.

Dismissing one of those initial factors so quickly Pooch is short-sighted. I'm not even arguing for a particular system here I just think you jump the gun so quickly (which explains how you always misread what people post) and neglect to think things through.

> I said specialists in regards to genetic diseases

but… those other countries still need them too. Or they at least have to pay for some outsourcing of that work. And again, that makes up such a tiny % of hospital visits, its negligible.

So in other news, pete buttigeg literally puts clown makeup on own face live as he celebrates a victory, after the app his campaign funded has a catastrophic failure resulting in massive delays in reporting, and after getting a poll surpressed from being released after showing unfavorable results for himself.

Literally preforming political seppuku just to win a poll that doesn't actually dictate the primary candidate, and is just there as the equivalent of an extra credit assignment. I didn't mind petes campaign but after this shitshow there's no way in hell im supporting him, and a lot of others i know agree.

Kenetic Kups wrote:

Interesting that when “delayed results” happens in other countries it’s seen as them ovveriding democracy, but here it’s fine

my dude, its less than 24 hours. In 2016, it took republicans WEEKS to confirm the iowa winner.

Last edited Feb 04, 2020 at 11:08AM EST

Iowa Democratic Party says it will release caucus results by 5 p.m. ET

Gonna be something special. This is REALLY unusual to do this. I've genuinely never heard of votes being held until a specific time like this before.

anyways, my prediction from yesterday;

betting markets seem to agree with me, for whatever that value that has

edit; Also I think if biden gets 4th or even 5th place, it will be an end to his campaign. 3rd place is managable, but I can not see biden coming out in 4th or 5th and still being viewed as viable.
I think this whole thing could help bernie. He is the only anti-establishment candidate, and boy has there now been plenty of reasons to be anti-establishment.

Last edited Feb 04, 2020 at 12:47PM EST

poochyena wrote:

my dude, its less than 24 hours. In 2016, it took republicans WEEKS to confirm the iowa winner.

You got a source for that claim? Because this WSJ article, released the day after the 2016 Iowa caucus, says otherwise.

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

You got a source for that claim? Because this WSJ article, released the day after the 2016 Iowa caucus, says otherwise.

I'm sorry, it was 2012, not 2016, my bad. anyways;
Santorum finished 34 votes ahead of Romney in new Iowa tally; votes from 8 precincts missing

>"Rick Santorum won the Iowa caucuses Thursday -- 16 days after the last vote was cast -- when the state Republican Party said a final count showed him 34 votes ahead of Mitt Romney."

Last edited Feb 04, 2020 at 01:13PM EST

Woman upset that Pete is gay. the video is so cringey

poochyena wrote:

my dude, its less than 24 hours. In 2016, it took republicans WEEKS to confirm the iowa winner.

Forgive us for being suspicious toward a group that was proven to cheat before.

Your Uncle Yonkers wrote:

Forgive us for being suspicious toward a group that was proven to cheat before.

when did the iowa state democrat party cheat before?

One of the most sickening fake neo liberal bullshit plays is when you have someone like Biden and Buttigieg going all http://blackpeopleloveus.com/ during the election but the moment its over they couldn't give a single fuck

Bro you have almost no black voter support so quit trying to use them as props in your background, lookin like a token Saturday morning cartoon group ready to save the day from some shit.

official results just released with 62% results in. not 100% results, so some change can happen, but its unlikely biden to be 1st or 2nd place

poochyena wrote:

official results just released with 62% results in. not 100% results, so some change can happen, but its unlikely biden to be 1st or 2nd place

Now just watch the entire Democratic Party get labeled socialist extremists that will take away your health care with a system that won't work.

Also, don't forget: Bernie is the nominee Trump wants!

Last edited Feb 04, 2020 at 05:35PM EST

Great, we've barely started and the democrats are already fracturing the base, and as Hanlon's Razor gets thrown to the wayside, the Trump supporters get to watch as the conspiracy theorists tear the democratic party apart, again.

It's' 2016 all fucking over again.

BrentD15 wrote:

Now just watch the entire Democratic Party get labeled socialist extremists that will take away your health care with a system that won't work.

Also, don't forget: Bernie is the nominee Trump wants!

Is any of this supposed to be bad things?

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