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Black Graphic T wrote:

You assume that they'll be something akin to Chapter 11 or Chapter 9. I feel like if a State goes Bankrupt, it's gonna end up going full on Chapter 7.

I assume it is based on Chapter 9 specifically, because Chapter 9 specifically deals with municipalities, Chapter 7 with individuals, and Chapter 11 (which is what I did) was is a restructuring – which is similar to Chapter 9. As of right now there are no provisions for an entire State to go bankrupt. The closest thing we do have is Chapter 9

The other examples we have is when a country goes bankrupt, but in reality – the country doesn't cease to be. The government doesn't cease to exist. Services are still provided, it's just in severe austerity as it cannot get any new debt, and the debt it would get if it could would have a high interest. Greece is an example, it needed to be bailed out – but this is kind of been Greece's problem for over a century and a half, a cycle of perpetual European debt.

If anything the budget of the State would probably have to be restructured in such a way where less essential services, and programs, would be cut first. After all, the blame is still ultimately on the politician and legislature that created the problem – even though the people certainly have a far greater role in being the blame.

So I'll ask my question again. I've already registered for the Green Party, but apparently the primary isn't actually "over". Do I go back to Democratic party to vote for Sanders? Or do I stay green and vote for Howe.

Also to our DNC shills , your commentary is not needed.

Dr. Bots wrote:

So I'll ask my question again. I've already registered for the Green Party, but apparently the primary isn't actually "over". Do I go back to Democratic party to vote for Sanders? Or do I stay green and vote for Howe.

Also to our DNC shills , your commentary is not needed.

It isn’t needed, but sjws and checkmarks will continue to screetch about how we have to vote for creepy uncle joe

It’s over in the primaries, they’re taking sanders off of the ballot so he doesn’t get more delagates

Time to swich the dems out for a less corrupt, and actually progressive party

Dr. Bots wrote:

So I'll ask my question again. I've already registered for the Green Party, but apparently the primary isn't actually "over". Do I go back to Democratic party to vote for Sanders? Or do I stay green and vote for Howe.

Also to our DNC shills , your commentary is not needed.

Does your state have open primaries or closed primaries? Is your state even holding Green party primaries?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/18/green-party-candidate-accuses-twitter-of-censorshi/
>suspending the likely presidential canidate of the largest left wing party in the us after left wingers refuse to back biden
really jogs the old noggin

Greyblades wrote:

He isnt, he knows who he wants he's asking if its worth while now sanders suspended campaigning.

sure. Bernie can't win, but theoretically the more votes her gets, the more influence he has.

New York just cancelled their primaries because of the coronavirus, because apparently mail in voting isn't a thing now. And before some of you say it's okay because all of the other candidates dropped out, people still frequently vote for candidates who dropped out especially if they believe in things. It's also worth noting that in the 2004 dem. primary John Edwards and Howard Dean each won a state after they dropped out of the race.

PatrickBateman96 wrote:

New York just cancelled their primaries because of the coronavirus, because apparently mail in voting isn't a thing now. And before some of you say it's okay because all of the other candidates dropped out, people still frequently vote for candidates who dropped out especially if they believe in things. It's also worth noting that in the 2004 dem. primary John Edwards and Howard Dean each won a state after they dropped out of the race.

Bernie hasn't dropped out, neither has Warren. They've only suspended their campaigns, which is to say rallies and similar events. Pretty obvious why the Democrats would want to cancel; imagine how much it would hurt Biden's credibility if the most populous State in the Union were, even after weeks of media manufacturing consent, lose to someone who suspended and endorsed him.

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Plus Bernie already got california; to lose both of the top 2 blue strongholds would be very bad portents for Biden.

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PatrickBateman96 wrote:

Does your state have open primaries or closed primaries? Is your state even holding Green party primaries?

Well I live in Louisiana , and

<ahref="https://www.sos.la.gov/ElectionsAndVoting/GetElectionInformation/ReviewTypesOfElections/Pages/default.aspx">Here

it says my state has Open Primaries. So I see that I can vote for Sander in the Primary.

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Kenetic Kups wrote:

Wow, it's almost like scientists know what they are talking about

Yeah but the economy though! Haircuts should be prioritized over social distancing, otherwise its against freedom!

Not sure if it's the worst or the best thing to happen from the coronavirus, but boy has it put the US's pitiful infrastructure on display for everyone to see. It's still a shock to me how badly prepared America's economy and social nets are for even the slightest strain.

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Remember, its republicans who under fund and under staff social programs leading them to break under strain.
Also, Chewybunny, the haircut thing isn't a strawman, its a real thing people are saying

poochyena wrote:

Remember, its republicans who under fund and under staff social programs leading them to break under strain.
Also, Chewybunny, the haircut thing isn't a strawman, its a real thing people are saying

You mean politicians
dems don’t push any more then reps for helping working people and small buisnesses
they vote right along with the reps to give trillions to monopolies and wall street

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Kenetic Kups wrote:

They can spew all the shit they want
they voted for every “stimulous” to bail out big buisness while we all get fucked over
you post shit from wapo, you are in no position to call propoganda

The Trump administration is the one the sent that money over to big businesses while screwing over those that need it most.

This will allow Trump voting small businesses to realize that he was never in their corner in the first place.

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Kenetic Kups wrote:

They can spew all the shit they want
they voted for every “stimulous” to bail out big buisness while we all get fucked over
you post shit from wapo, you are in no position to call propoganda

What do you mean by "while we all get fucked over"? They voted to give stimulus checks to everyone and voted to increase social programs. republicans and democrats vote very differently
Try speaking like an adult by naming the specific issues you have (avoid generic buzzword) and give sources to your claims.

Just because I've seen some right wing friends of mine pushing this, I figured I'd say this here. Do not push for the mass implementation of Ultraviolet Blood Irradiation(UBI) Treatment to kill the Corona Virus and get people "back to work faster."

It is used for treating things like t-cell lymphoma, and acts as a very damaging autoimmune suppressant with a shitton of side effects, and whose benefit is "it will make you not die to t cell lymphoma". Do not buy into anyone claiming it is a cure just because Trump said that injecting sunlight into the body would kill the Corona Virus. At best, you will become immune compromised and die faster to the virus.

poochyena wrote:

Remember, its republicans who under fund and under staff social programs leading them to break under strain.
Also, Chewybunny, the haircut thing isn't a strawman, its a real thing people are saying

I know it is.
I know there are people out there that are like her.
But I also know that there is a hell of a lot more people that are being forced away from their jobs and livelihoods in areas, largely unaffected by the virus. I know that even with the risk of the virus out there that there are people who wish to get back to work because it's the only way for them to keep from being literally homeless. But instead of ever taking into consideration that, hey, a huge chunk of the US population lives in areas that are barely affected by the virus but are forced to leave their jobs, forced to adhere to rules and standards that are completely unfair to them it seems to me that they are largely forgotten, dismissed, and ignored.

That some people have legitimate reasons to be critical about how the handling of the virus has been far worse for them than taking the risk of infection, is so readily condescendingly mocked screams to me that this is more about scoring personal political points than it is about actually finding the best solutions.

Kenetic Kups wrote:

Gee, it’s almost as if the solution is to help the people, and not have them go and do their menial labour and get the plague

Except the solutions can be far worse than the actual problem if you happen to live in an area where the problem is minuscule. As I keep pointing out. NY and NJ, just 2 states in the entire US account for 50% of all Corona cases and deaths. With New York City and surrounding areas an entire third.

I understand the necessity of employing solutions that they employed in areas where there is a high prevalence of the virus. Big, dense, metropolises. Absolutely get it. What I don't get is employing these solutions in areas where the actual number of cases is incredibly small and incredibly manageable.

It goes along with the theme of all my coronavirusposting – this has been a systemic failure across the board at handling the situation properly. Localized solutions, hyper focused on the most vulnerable places – to the most vulnerable people would have not just been more cost effective, but probably without the need to shut down half the economy for weeks on end.

>What I don't get is employing these solutions in areas where the actual number of cases is incredibly small and incredibly manageable.

Its to keep it that way.

Kenetic Kups wrote:

The whole issue is the government not financially protecting people

The issue is that legitimate criticism of the way our institutions have been handling the crisis is viewed with condescending mockery.

Chewybunny wrote:

The issue is that legitimate criticism of the way our institutions have been handling the crisis is viewed with condescending mockery.

The legitimate criticism would be to call out the gov for not doing this sooner, and only giving money to the already rich

Kenetic Kups wrote:

The legitimate criticism would be to call out the gov for not doing this sooner, and only giving money to the already rich

so are you going to go back on her statement "dems don’t push any more then reps for helping working people and small buisnesses" and admit you were wrong, or just pretend you never said it and ignore my reply?

poochyena wrote:

so are you going to go back on her statement "dems don’t push any more then reps for helping working people and small buisnesses" and admit you were wrong, or just pretend you never said it and ignore my reply?

I generally ignore your replays because of you circular debating
how in any way does what I said imply the dems did anything?
dems never pushed for giving money to working people, just for corporations

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Every democrat in the senate AND house voted for the coronavirus aid bill that sent money to middle and lower class individuals, and billions in loans for small businesses.
seriously, wtf are you talking about saying they didn't do that?

Here, have some more examples
95% of democrats voting to raise federal min wage
sending aid to Puerto Rico
Every dem voted for lowering drug prices

Do you want more? Will you finally retract your statement?

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poochyena wrote:

Every democrat in the senate AND house voted for the coronavirus aid bill that sent money to middle and lower class individuals, and billions in loans for small businesses.
seriously, wtf are you talking about saying they didn't do that?

Here, have some more examples
95% of democrats voting to raise federal min wage
sending aid to Puerto Rico
Every dem voted for lowering drug prices

Do you want more? Will you finally retract your statement?

Raisin minimum wage is a sham, it just leads to inflation unless you have price controls
good on them sending aid to puerto rico,
lowering drug prices is irrelevant, they should cost nothing
what money? 1200 is not enough to get people through a quarantine, not to mention they voted on the bailouts to corporations

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Whether you believe those things go far enough is irrelevant to your statement I am replying to "dems don’t push any more then reps for helping working people and small buisnesses"
i won't let you move the goal post. You can see from those links that democrats pushed more for helping working class people than republicans. Will you acknowledge that now, or ignore it and continue you move the goal post?

poochyena wrote:

Every democrat in the senate AND house voted for the coronavirus aid bill that sent money to middle and lower class individuals, and billions in loans for small businesses.
seriously, wtf are you talking about saying they didn't do that?

Here, have some more examples
95% of democrats voting to raise federal min wage
sending aid to Puerto Rico
Every dem voted for lowering drug prices

Do you want more? Will you finally retract your statement?

It would be nice if they all of the democrats voted for a bill that gave healthcare to everyone. And it would be nice if zero democrats voted to give tax cuts to billionaires.

Funny that no one here noticed that General Flynn just got vindicated in how Obama's thugs framed him and now he should have all his charges dropped and his record scrubbed. They even HAND WRITTEN IN THEIR OWN WORDS!

https://www.scribd.com/document/459056127/Handwritten-FBI-Notes-On-Michael-Flynn-Get-Him-Fired

poochyena wrote:

Whether you believe those things go far enough is irrelevant to your statement I am replying to "dems don’t push any more then reps for helping working people and small buisnesses"
i won't let you move the goal post. You can see from those links that democrats pushed more for helping working class people than republicans. Will you acknowledge that now, or ignore it and continue you move the goal post?

You're the one deliberately misinterpreting my comment
I'm talking about the pandemic assistance
buty yeah in general dems only give token help, because that's what they're paid to do

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