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>bush wasn;t charged for iraq
>obama wasn't charged for drone striking civvies
>clinton wasn't charged with bengazi

None of them were actual crimes, just unpopular war moves/ fuck ups, and rich people have, indeed, gone to jail before, so save the pessimistic "every things fucked and everyone's corrupt" until Trump is either convicted or pardoned.

Ryumaru Borike wrote:

>bush wasn;t charged for iraq
>obama wasn't charged for drone striking civvies
>clinton wasn't charged with bengazi

None of them were actual crimes, just unpopular war moves/ fuck ups, and rich people have, indeed, gone to jail before, so save the pessimistic "every things fucked and everyone's corrupt" until Trump is either convicted or pardoned.

>None of them were actual crimes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_principles

>rich people have, indeed, gone to jail before
Of course they have, someone needs to be the plutocrats scapegoat
So save the optimistic "everything is fine nothing is broken" until the US government either bans bribery or until all of the neolibs and neocons resign or croak and get replaced by populists

Not to play the doomer (cause I don't want to) but should I be worried about the Bill Barr things( authorizing DOJ to search for "clear fraud" and Trump firing his secretary of Defense?

Soul28 wrote:

Not to play the doomer (cause I don't want to) but should I be worried about the Bill Barr things( authorizing DOJ to search for "clear fraud" and Trump firing his secretary of Defense?

I thought there couldn't be a coup in the United States since there aren't any US Embassies here. We're learning all sorts of new things this year.

Soul28 wrote:

Not to play the doomer (cause I don't want to) but should I be worried about the Bill Barr things( authorizing DOJ to search for "clear fraud" and Trump firing his secretary of Defense?

Do you revel in chaos and enjoy seeing the elite structures of power and information being completely at risk of being severely damaged? No.
Do you desperately want a return to some sort of semblance of pre-Trump normalcy? Yes.

The way this is unfolding, is this: major voter irregularities will be found, major instances of misconduct by poll workers, will be found. Whether there was enough voter fraud out there to disqualify voters in such levels that would radically favor Trump? Doubt it. However, the fact that our current media establishment, our established political structure is so desperate to get rid of Trump, that they are declaring Biden a winner before the process is carried out, that they deny any and all impropriety in this election? All this will do is slap them back in the face, further destroying their legitimacy. Biden's Presidency will be tainted with illegitimacy due to electoral misconduct. This will make it even harder than ever for Biden's presidency to do anything meaningful.

If Trump, in some crazy way, puts this through the court system, and actually wins it would be a massive embarrassment to the media, political establishment, and all those global leaders that have already wished Biden congratulations. The next 4 years would be spicy. But this is doubtful.

Ultimately, the only realistic solution in the future is radical secession of states. The fact of the matter is the cultural values, that divide rural and urban areas, and state-regions, is becoming increasingly incompatible with one another. No politician, or cultural figure has a solution that they are willing to act on.

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NO! wrote:

Can Trump even complain about fraud? Counting the types of anti voter laws he passed? like really?

Sure he can. He and his supporters can also justify passing those laws by saying they are in place to attempt to prevent the kind of fraud they are seeing – and that they didn't go far enough.

Incidentally, I'm still not sold on the idea of why an expanding voter base is inherently good for a Democratic like system, or one that is inherently good for the government.

The idea that 1 person 1 vote and every vote should be treated is equal is absurd by any measure. After all, 21% of adults in the US are functionally illiterate, if not totally illiterate, why should my vote be treated as equal to theirs?

Chewybunny wrote:

Sure he can. He and his supporters can also justify passing those laws by saying they are in place to attempt to prevent the kind of fraud they are seeing – and that they didn't go far enough.

Incidentally, I'm still not sold on the idea of why an expanding voter base is inherently good for a Democratic like system, or one that is inherently good for the government.

The idea that 1 person 1 vote and every vote should be treated is equal is absurd by any measure. After all, 21% of adults in the US are functionally illiterate, if not totally illiterate, why should my vote be treated as equal to theirs?

I mean
you've basically summed up why democracy is a retarded idea in the first place right there

Simply put, and knowing through history, it allows whoever makes the rules to select the electorate. We saw it most keenly in the Jim Crow era.

Also we're getting into definitions of liberalism and enlightenment philosophy but the short of it: no taxation without representation. Your idea is such an anathema to liberal democracy it's something that every fascist movement brings up first.

pinkiespy - goat spy wrote:

Simply put, and knowing through history, it allows whoever makes the rules to select the electorate. We saw it most keenly in the Jim Crow era.

Also we're getting into definitions of liberalism and enlightenment philosophy but the short of it: no taxation without representation. Your idea is such an anathema to liberal democracy it's something that every fascist movement brings up first.

If it was just the enlightened ones making laws jim crow wouldn'tve existed in the first place
and slavery would've been banned at the founding of the nation

If we were to go in depth on the stunning ability of the south and the later conservative movements it attached to to claim to be true Americans while betraying every founding ideal I'd end up with a 30 page rant whose tone would be somewhere between J'Accuse and a 30 hour extended earrape version of Am's hatred speech from the "I have no Mouth and I must Scream" game.

Conservatives have never operated in good faith in America. Period. It is definitional that they want to sabotage democracy in order to institute stricter hierarchies. My favorite is when they say the founders wouldn't like liberalism. Seriously people.

Wrazid wrote:

The fact that the feds have personally gone after Richard about his affidavit, signals to me that there is there is some truth to it.

They questioned him because he was claiming fraud, and they wanted testimony for investigations.

Also, lying to the Feds and fabricating claims of fraud are a surefire way to get yourself in deep trouble.

BrentD15 wrote:

They questioned him because he was claiming fraud, and they wanted testimony for investigations.

Also, lying to the Feds and fabricating claims of fraud are a surefire way to get yourself in deep trouble.

The trouble this guy would have gotten in if he's lying is that his sworn affidavit carries a potential purgery reprisal. There was no reason for the feds to go and intimidate Mr. Hawkins unless they were afraid that his statement might be brought to court (which I can only imagine they'd be afraid of if it were true.)

Wrazid wrote:

The trouble this guy would have gotten in if he's lying is that his sworn affidavit carries a potential purgery reprisal. There was no reason for the feds to go and intimidate Mr. Hawkins unless they were afraid that his statement might be brought to court (which I can only imagine they'd be afraid of if it were true.)

This is the same kind of double-think that has conspiracy theorists thinking they're "over target" when people downvote them.

Veritas screwed with the election process. Feds get mad. It's their job.

pinkiespy - goat spy wrote:

This is the same kind of double-think that has conspiracy theorists thinking they're "over target" when people downvote them.

Veritas screwed with the election process. Feds get mad. It's their job.

The Feds didn't go after Veritas (unless there's something I missed,) the feds intimidated Hawkins.

Fun fact: the fights that Andy Ngo filmed yesterday during the Million MAGA March were actually selectively edited. The MAGAManiacs started those fights in left-leaning areas, and he plays the footage of whenever they get hit back. This allows them to be professional victims.

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Penis Miller wrote:

They were telling the truth, it just wasn't a good thing.

I almost want to see the recounts fail to sway things, just to see how many people will realize that damn near everything bad they believed about Trump was as true and more of the people they wanted to replace him with.

Perhaps the schaudenfreudre will prove worth 6 years of depthless conciet, ignorance and hypocracy.

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You know I think Democrats should stop going after firearms, this single issue is what keeps Moderates and some Republicans from voting Democrat, firearms are part of American culture and trying to ban them is not going to bring in many voters as it's likely going to hurt Democrats then help.

Look at Biden gun policy for example, these are very radical far left proposals and it's very unrealistic and its not going to past either the House or the Senate. So Democrats need to stop attacking firearms and focus on bigger issues going on in the nation than firearms.
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/#

Imperial Guardsman wrote:

You know I think Democrats should stop going after firearms, this single issue is what keeps Moderates and some Republicans from voting Democrat, firearms are part of American culture and trying to ban them is not going to bring in many voters as it's likely going to hurt Democrats then help.

Look at Biden gun policy for example, these are very radical far left proposals and it's very unrealistic and its not going to past either the House or the Senate. So Democrats need to stop attacking firearms and focus on bigger issues going on in the nation than firearms.
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/#

If they really want to end shootings I think doing something like having a public statement that urges people to have shooters mocked and ridiculed could help, but I doubt that Biden would do that.

The more people Biden lines up for his cabinet the more I realize how much of a waste of time it was to vote for him. Not sure why I'm surprised.

Elected people with horrible records fill cabinets with others with horrible records.

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Penis Miller wrote:

The more people Biden lines up for his cabinet the more I realize how much of a waste of time it was to vote for him. Not sure why I'm surprised.

Elected people with horrible records fill cabinets with others with horrible records.

You looking forward to the senate calling the mildest neocons radical communists in the confirmation hearings?

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Penis Miller wrote:

The more people Biden lines up for his cabinet the more I realize how much of a waste of time it was to vote for him. Not sure why I'm surprised.

Elected people with horrible records fill cabinets with others with horrible records.

And what exactly is wrong with his cabinet?

Penis Miller wrote:

The more people Biden lines up for his cabinet the more I realize how much of a waste of time it was to vote for him. Not sure why I'm surprised.

Elected people with horrible records fill cabinets with others with horrible records.

Yep
I knew it'd be all neolibs, warmongers, and corporatists
because that's what the dems are

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pinkiespy - goat spy wrote:

You looking forward to the senate calling the mildest neocons radical communists in the confirmation hearings?

It's like watching the two minutes hate from 1984
just pure delusional rantings

Penis Miller wrote:

The more people Biden lines up for his cabinet the more I realize how much of a waste of time it was to vote for him. Not sure why I'm surprised.

Elected people with horrible records fill cabinets with others with horrible records.

Voting is a waste of time when the you live in a single party state.

BrentD15 wrote:

So, you're more comfortable with the openly criminal cabinet of Donald Trump.

Very interested in hearing why those who covered up the murders for the CPD, corrupt bankers, and those who advocated and helped create the monstrous drone strike and ICE kidnapping programs are somehow and improvement over Donald Trump's cabinet.

Penis Miller wrote:

Very interested in hearing why those who covered up the murders for the CPD, corrupt bankers, and those who advocated and helped create the monstrous drone strike and ICE kidnapping programs are somehow and improvement over Donald Trump's cabinet.

You literally just described Trump’s cabinet. Do you really think his is better!?

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